The 666-YEAR-OLD SEA BEAST of Revelation 13

[dpr]

Hey again dpr,

The Anti-christ was not going to claim that He was JESUS.  He was going to claim He was Daniel 9:25’s prophesied MESSIAH, meaning the anointed one called CHRIST.  For us, these are one and the same, but not for the Jews of our Lord’s generation who rejected Him.  The Anti-christ was going to stake a claim on the title “King of the Jews” (a title of “King” which the Lord Jesus Christ claimed before Pilate).

Didn't you even read what I showed in my previous post?

Our Lord Jesus made it emphatic in Matthew 24:23-26 about a pseudo-Christ coming to work "great signs and wonders" that IF it were possible, would deceive His very elect. The descriptive for "very" about the very elect is in the Greek too, showing that is emphasized also. That is pointing to His elect that He already owns, like those of John 17. Those cannot be deceived, as He already owns His very elect. We only become the very elect with them by joining with them and remaining faithful to Christ, waiting on His return. The point being, that coming pseudo-Christ, which Dr. James Strong translated that "false Christs" as a singular spurious Messiah, is to have power to work miracles to deceive on the level of almost causing Christ's very elect to believe it. That is not a light thing, and NO flesh born man that has come claiming to be Jesus has ever done that, nor will. That working at the end is reserved for the real son of perdition himself, i.e., the devil.

In 1 John 2:18, he gave 2 different examples using the word "antichrist". In the first part he was speaking of a singular antichrist the brethren had already heard shall come. In the second part he then exclaimed about the "many antichrists" that were already at work, which is about the "mystery of iniquity" subject Paul mentioned in 2 Thess.2. The "many antichrists" idea is from the Old Testament, same with the "mystery of iniquity". It's about the "workers of iniquity", a specific group of workers against God that were ordained of old per the Book of Jude. We were shown about that mystery early on in God's Word. So there's really no excuse for not knowing about it.

As for the beasts of Revelation 13, I’m not denying there are two mentioned there.  One comes out of the sea, and the other Beast from the land that collaborates and supports the Sea Beast comes up out of the EARTH (ge - the land of Israel) - NOT from out of the bottomless pit.

The Rev.13 beast pattern is from the Book of Daniel. That is why Rev.13:2 refers us back to Dan.7. And that pattern involved a beast kingdom AND a beast king over it. Daniel 4 even shows how God caused the king of Babylon Nebuchadnezzar to live in the wild like a beast, suffering the rare disease of madness known as Lycanthropy. That is the Rev.13 pattern of the 2 beasts also, one is about a kingdom and the other is about a king. Revelation 9:11, Revelation 11:7, Revelation 12:3-4 and Revelation 12:7-17 were to give one this understanding by the time they get to Rev.13. Revelation 17:8-11 makes it even more plain about the beast king idea, which is the pattern of the "little horn" from Dan.7.

Thusly, the "another beast" of Rev.13:11 forward that ascends up out of the earth is about that same beast of Rev.17:8 and Rev.11:7 that ascends out of the bottomless pit. And NO flesh born man ascends out of the bottomless pit. The label "Land beast" is just a side-step ploy to get one away from understanding the Scripture as written. The Antichrist is who works the miracles and wonders, not the beast kingdom which is associated with actual land because its "seven heads" we are told mean "seven mountains" (Rev.17). The "sea" is represented by the "waters" in Rev.17:15, which are about peoples and nations on earth.

The bottomless pit is not a LOCATION per se, but a CONDITION of death or non-functioning existence, just as Christ while in the grave was in the bottomless pit (abussos) in Romans 10:7.

The bottomless pit is about the abyss, what the Greeks called Hades, and what Jesus also referred to as haides, or hell, the abode of the wicked dead in the heavenly dimension. It is a REAL place. It's just not in our earthy dimension. Peter even told us the fallen angels that sinned in Noah's day are kept in chains in "hell" (tartaroo), the deepest part of the abyss, reserved unto judgment (2 Peter 2). There is a literal prison in that pit of hell, and that is where our Lord Jesus went to preach to the "spirits in prison" to free those who believed The Gospel (1 Peter 3; Isaiah 42:7). It is that place which Satan is king over, even though he is still free to roam today (1 Peter 5:8).

The THIRD BEAST from Revelation 17:8 (the Scarlet Beast found in the wilderness) was ”ABOUT TO ARISE” from out of that abyss of a non-functioning state, and was also ABOUT TO GO INTO DESTRUCTION in John’s days - NOT in our future.   Again, you are missing the imminent time frame of these manifestations, which would all take place in days that were “AT HAND” in the very near future for John’s readers (Rev. 1:3 and 22:10).  By missing all the soon-coming references to a near time fulfillment, it is throwing your entire interpretation of Revelation’s prophecies off-kilter.

The beast of Rev.17:8 is the same beast of Rev.9:11, Rev.11:7, and Rev.13:11 forward. The scarlet colored beast we are told has ten horns and seven heads. That is not a 3rd beast, it is the same 1st beast of Rev.13:1, the one that has ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns.

Per Rev.17, the "great whore" is that "woman" in that Chapter, which is a "great city" per the last verse. She sits upon that scarlet colored beast, which is the beast kingdom of ten horns, seven heads. She sits upon many waters also, which Rev.17:15 defines as peoples and nations.

But the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit, and goes into perdition, is about the beast king over it. He represents the "little horn" of Daniel 7. The ten horns are ten kings we're told there, and they represent the ten horns of the last beast of Dan.7. Those ten give their power to the beast, which means the beast king, the "little horn", for there are 11 kings total being described in Dan.7. The "little horn" king comes up among the ten and subdues 3 of the kings. Haven't you studied this?

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Hi again dpr
To be sure, I’ve spent the last 7 years studying eschatology continuously.  What more can you expect of me?

You seriously have your cast of evil characters confused with one another.  It’s as if you threw them all in a pot and stirred them up together. 

There is no possible way that the Rev. 13 Beast from the Land (of Israel) is the same one as the Rev. 17 Scarlet Beast found in the wilderness. Even though they share the same number of horns and heads and are Judaic in origin, they are different “kingdoms” from each other, as my earlier post of “The Sea Beast...the Land Beast...and the Scarlet Beast” lays out the scriptural differences between them.

Those THREE Beasts of Revelation are all KINGDOMS having kings included within each of them as an incorporated part of each of those three kingdoms.  The THREE Beasts are NOT KINGS themselves - that would run counter to the pattern that Daniel already provides.

And the “Mystery of Lawlessness” already working in Paul’s days was the upsurge of the Zealot faction within Israel that originated in Galilee - a hotbed of rebellious Zealotry, as Judas the Galilean in the book of Acts proves to us. 

And the “bottomless pit” is NOT the equivalent of the “land” (of Israel).  Neither is it a PLACE which one could pinpoint on a map.  It is a state of being - or more accurately, of a non-functioning state of being, which characterizes the dead bodies of the saints and of Christ’s body while it was in the grave for 3 days and nights.

John said that the third Scarlet Beast of Rev. 17 was then currently in a state of death while in the “abyssos”.  But it was ”ABOUT TO ARISE” from that “abyssos” state of death in JOHN’S DAYS; and soon after having risen to that restored life, it would shortly go into destruction after John wrote Revelation.  You are not paying any attention to the time markers that John gives you.  Its screwing up your interpretations big-time.

[dpr]

Hi again dpr
To be sure, I’ve spent the last 7 years studying eschatology continuously.  What more can you expect of me?

You seriously have your cast of evil characters confused with one another.  It’s as if you threw them all in a pot and stirred them up together. 

Irrelevant meaningless use of words.

And the reality is that your study is more aligned with men's traditions than within God's written Word. So you really haven't done that much real Bible study that you've claimed you've done.

I'll prove it.

There is no possible way that the Rev. 13 Beast from the Land (of Israel) is the same one as the Rev. 17 Scarlet Beast found in the wilderness. Even though they share the same number of horns and heads and are Judaic in origin, they are different “kingdoms” from each other, as my earlier post of “The Sea Beast...the Land Beast...and the Scarlet Beast” lays out the scriptural differences between them.

Right off the bat you go against the written Scripture, because the beast which the Rev.17 woman sits upon has "seven heads and ten horns", the SAME description of the 1st beast kingdom of Rev.13:1. The only other... kingdom the "seven heads and ten horns" descriptor applies to in Revelation is with the seven headed ten horned beast kingdom that Satan originally rebelled with as written in Rev.12:3-4 for when he drew a third of the stars to earth. It had only seven crowns compared to the one in Rev.13 which is to have ten crowns. But your idea comes from 'outside' The Bible, proving what I said, that it's actually men's traditions you really studied more, and not the actual written Bible Scripture.

Those THREE Beasts of Revelation are all KINGDOMS having kings included within each of them as an incorporated part of each of those three kingdoms.  The THREE Beasts are NOT KINGS themselves - that would run counter to the pattern that Daniel already provides.

Once again, that idea of 3 beasts is an ADDITION to the Bible Scripture. It is nowhere written.

The pattern for the Rev.13 beast is from the Book of Daniel, especially Dan.7 where we were first told about the idea of ten horns being ten kings, and a little horn king coming up among them. Rev.17 gives that same pattern. The Rev.17:8-13 verses are about that very subject, explaining about the beast 'king' the ten kings will give their power to at the end. The Daniel prophecy only represents TWO beast concepts, not 3. There is the beast king, and then the beast kingdom. Anything else is just men's leaven from outside sources.

And the “Mystery of Lawlessness” already working in Paul’s days was the upsurge of the Zealot faction within Israel that originated in Galilee - a hotbed of rebellious Zealotry, as Judas the Galilean in the book of Acts proves to us. 

You don't have a clue what the "mystery of iniquity" is about. I'm not going to go into it here, but anyone can read in simplicity what God said to Israel in Judges 2 & 3.

And the “bottomless pit” is NOT the equivalent of the “land” (of Israel).  Neither is it a PLACE which one could pinpoint on a map.  It is a state of being - or more accurately, of a non-functioning state of being, which characterizes the dead bodies of the saints and of Christ’s body while it was in the grave for 3 days and nights.

Maybe it's a force of nature? You don't know what that is either. If you would spend more time reading God's Word and asking Him for understanding in it, then you'd know more about what you speak of. Sadness is a state of being, joy is a state of being. The "bottomless pit" in hell is a LITERAL PLACE in the Heavenly dimension. It is where Jesus showed the "rich man" was taken to after he died (Luke 16).

John said that the third Scarlet Beast of Rev. 17 was then currently in a state of death while in the “abyssos”.  But it was ”ABOUT TO ARISE” from that “abyssos” state of death in JOHN’S DAYS; and soon after having risen to that restored life, it would shortly go into destruction after John wrote Revelation.  You are not paying any attention to the time markers that John gives you.  Its screwing up your interpretations big-time.

There is no such thing as a 3rd beast written of in Revelation. That is your addition from men's leaven.

The Rev.17:8 verse is about Satan as a beast king. 'He was', which points to his original rebellion of Rev.12:3-4 in coveting God's Throne in the old world. He 'is not', because God ended that old world and thus Satan's original rebellion, and Satan has not been a beast king since in this world. He will ascend out of the bottomless pit where he is king over per Rev.9:11. And he will go into perdition to the future lake of fire, which none other has already been sentenced to besides his angels. That... is how to understand about the beast king of Rev.17, and stay within the prophetic parameters of God's Word.