The 7 Year Tribulation Period is a False Doctrine!!

[Eccl12:13]

          

     The Tribulation Period lasting for 7 years is a FALSE Doctrine!



For all that think the Tribulation Period is going to last for 7 years, you will soon find yourselves in for a very rude awakening. If you do not take heed, research, study and pray for wisdom and understanding you are going to find yourselves right dab in the middle of the ‘times of Jacobs troubles’ with only two choices; either take the mark of the beast, or die for the word of God!

Think about this using just a little common sense;

There is ONE verse and ONE verse ONLY, found in the book of Daniel, that someone without any knowledge, wisdom nor understanding, has tied together 7 years to what they THINK is the tribulation period. When, in fact, THIS particular vision of Daniel has NOTHING to do with the tribulation period nor the Abomination of Desolation (AOD).

Jesus, Daniel, Paul and John tells us it is the action of the Abomination of Desolation (the son of perdition, the man of sin) that sets in motion the time frame of the tribulation period. So how can a verse that mentions nothing about the AOD or the tribulation period be correct prophecy concerning a 7 year tribulation? It CAN’T!

In contrast, God tells us (6) times and in 3 different ways that the tribulation period WILL last for 3.5 years.

He tells us in the OT!

He tell us in the NT!

He tells us using Days!

He tells us using Months!

He tells us using Years!

Along with all He has given us, He even tells us what event to look for that will kick it all off! God tells us so many times and in so many ways it is almost HARD to miss. And yet there will be those that will let someone do just what Jesus and Paul warned us about;

Matt.24
[4] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
2Thes.2
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

I’m sorry to say, but if you have been taught, and believe, the tribulation period is going to last for 7 years…..YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED!!!

Can you can prove, beyond a shadow of doubt, that the tribulation period will last for 7 years? Your life depends upon it!
　
　
THIS Vision is NOT about the Tribulation Period　


Before proving that the Tribulation period will last for 3.5yrs. Let’s examine how Daniel’s vision IS NOT speaking about a 7yr tribulation period.

There is only verse that tries to link the Tribulation Period to 7yrs; the misunderstood 70 weeks vision of Daniel found in the 9th chapter. Let's read it;

Dan.9
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Now remember……this is the ONLY verse in the entire bible that people will use to defend a 7yr tribulation period. Let’s see if their defense is supported by scriptures.

Most believe it is during this 1 prophetic week (7yrs) the tribulation takes place, and in the middle of the week, (3.5yrs) the sacrifices will end. Well let's back up a bit to see what the subject of THIS vision is.

[1] In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;

[2] In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

We find that Daniel was reading in the books of Jeremiah, about what would become of the Holy city Jerusalem. Mind you, this was during the 1st year of the reign of Darius. The vision that actually mentions the AOD does not come until years later. Let’s now read the answer from Gabriel;

[21] Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
[22] And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

So the angel Gabriel came to give Daniel an answer to his questions.

[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Now at what point did the angel Gabriel say anything about the Abomination of Desolation, the man of sin, the son of perdition, or the Tribulation Period sometimes called the times of Jacobs trouble? He didn’t. Not once!

This vision IS NOT about the Abomination of Desolation nor the Tribulation Period. It is about the nation of Israel, the Holy city Jerusalem, and the anointing of the most Holy, Jesus Christ.

Let’s look at the vision, as it is told to Daniel by the angel Gabriel. More importantly, let’s find the subject of the vision; who is it speaking of.

[25] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Without getting into the entire prophecy, we know for a fact the only person mentioned above is the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Let’s read more;

[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Again, the ONLY person mentioned thus far is Jesus Christ. How do we know? Because it was Jesus Christ that was killed, ‘cut off’, but not because of something He did. Now let’s read the last verse;

[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Again, WHO is the ‘he’ mentioned above? It can ONLY be the one spoken of throughout this entire vision…..Jesus Christ! How can it be anyone else?
It CAN’T!!!!

Let’s look at something else. Gabriel used the word ‘confirm’ and NOT ‘make’. Let’s look up the difference.

Confirm - to make certain that a tentative arrangement or one made earlier is firm.

Make - to cause a condition or situation to arise or exist.

Who was it that had already made a covenant with the nation of Israel and would later confirm it? None other than Jesus Christ!

And who was it that stopped the sacrifice and oblation to cease? Again, Jesus Christ! When you ask? The moment He died.

“And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;” Matt.27:51

When Jesus died and the veil ripped it two, that was the end of animal sacrifice. As a matter of fact, all of these events happened within the time frame given above in the 27th verse.

Not only did Jesus stop the sacrifices in the middle of a prophetic week; His ministry was for 3.5 years, He also died in the middle of a literal week, a Wednesday (another lesson I know, but it is the ONLY way to get 3 days and 3 nights, 72 hours, just as Jesus said)

So just as Gabriel told Daniel at the beginning, this vision is about, the nation of Israel, the city Jerusalem and the most Holy, Jesus Christ.

Again, at what point is the AOD mentioned? Or what about the times of trouble?. Something that must be understood is that Daniel had MORE that one vision. Some had to do with the last days. And others had to do with the kings that was ruling at the time.

So are you SURE this is speaking about a 7 year tribulation period? There is no way it can!
　
　
　
　
God said 3.5 years for the times of Jacobs Troubles, NOT 7!　


Now that we have cleared that up, let’s read from God‘s holy word about the Tribulation period and how long He says it will last. I pray you will take the time to not only read the information, but study it, examine it...see if it makes sense.

Let’s first go to the NT and the book of Rev. to see if we can find any information about anything concerning the tribulation period or things associated with it.

In the book of Rev. we learn of (2) descriptions of the woman fleeing to the wilderness and that the phrase, ‘time, times and half a time.’ is equal to 3.5 years.

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 3.5 years. Rev 12:6.

And who is the woman? It is the church…i.e. all those that have chosen to follow the true and living God. And we are told that God will take care of the church for a thousand (1000) + two hundred (200) + three score (20+20+20) days which equals 3.5 years. Now just to back that up God tells us in another way.

And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 3.5 years. Rev 12:14.

And how do we get 3.5 years from this? Let’s reason; a time = 1 year. Times = 2 years. Half a time = .5 years. Together: 1+2+.5= 3.5 years. Thus far this is pretty simple. Now let’s go to the OT to the book of Daniel and read about ANOTHER one of his many visions;


Daniel was told in a dream that the time of trouble would last for, ‘…for a time, times, and an half;’ 3.5 years. Dan 12:7.

Again, we already know just how long this is from what we learned in Rev. A time, times and a half is equal to 3.5 years. And remember, this time that Daniel speaks of is like no other. It is a one time event. It is the Tribulation period. Now let’s jump back to the NT;

It was revealed to John that the AOD would speak great things and blasphemies and that, ’… power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.” Forty-two months equals, 3.5 years. Rev 13:5.

And how long is 42 months? 3.5 years. Now let’s look at an individual described the same way by Daniel and how long he would rule;

It was revealed to Daniel that the AOD would, ‘…speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 3.5 years. Dan 7:25

Again we have a familiar number. One we already know is equal to 3.5 years. Let’s look at another;

Daniel also tells us that the total time from the setting up of the AOD, until the time he take away the daily sacrifice, ‘…there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.’ . 3.5 years. Dan 7:11.

Again we have a number that is very close to what we have learned thus far, but remember, this time frame also includes the time needed to set up the AOD, which accounts for the extra 30days.

At the same time all of these events are taking place, God sends two witnesses to prophesy and perform miracles for, ’…a thousand two hundred and threescore days…’, or, 3.5 years,

Again 3.5 years. Do you think God is trying His best to send us a message? Let’s review:

- The AOD would speak great things and blasphemies and that, ’… power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.” Forty-two months equals, 3.5 years. Rev 13:5

- The AOD would, ‘…speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 3.5 years. Dan 7:25

- The total time from the setting up of the AOD, until the time he take away the daily sacrifice, ‘…there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.’ . 3.5 years + 30 days to set uo the AOD. Dan 7:11.

- The woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 3.5 years. Rev 12:6.

- And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 3.5 years. Rev 12:14.

- Daniel was told in a dream that the time of trouble would last for, ‘…for a time, times, and an half;’ 3.5 years. Dan 12:7.

- At the same time all of these events are taking place, God sends two witnesses to prophesy and perform miracles for, ’…a thousand two hundred and threescore days…’, or, 3.5 years,
　
God gave us a time frame of 3.5 years in (7) different places in the bible, in both the OT and NT. Can you think of ANY warning, throughout the entire bible, given to us more? There is NONE!!! How many times and in how many ways must God tell us this warning?
　
Now if God wanted to tell us the Tribulation period was to last for 7 years he could just as easily have said;

"Two thousand five hundred and fifty and five days."

"Times, Times, Times and a Time."

"Eighty and Four months."

But He did not! Now why is that? It would not have been hard to do or for us to figure out.

Again….would you like to go with the ONE misunderstood scripture that says NOTHING at all about the AOD nor the Tribulation Period and try to MAKE it fit into what you think is right?

Or would you rather go with the (7) plain and very easy to understand verses provided by God telling us just how long the tribulation period would last and who would be in charge.

Will you heed the warnings of Daniel, Paul, John and your Savior Jesus Christ?
　
Choose very carefully……Your life DOES depend upon it!
　
As always, please pray for wisdom and understanding
　
Peace in the name of Jesus Christ.




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[BondServant]

I can tell you have put a lot of effort into this, but you should be careful about waving the "false doctrine" flag.  Escatology is one of those "disputable matters" Paul talked about in Romans 14.  It does not matter if you are pre-trib, post-trib, mid-trib or pan-trib.  It doesn't matter if you think the tribulation will last 3.5, 7, or 1000 years.  It does not matter if you are preterists or futurist.  God ACCEPTS you! 

There are definite false doctrines out there.  Gnosticism is a big one, but nothing under escatology qualifies as false doctine.  There are a plethora of differing beliefs, but they are just that, differing beliefs.  People way smarter than both of us have put a lot more time and effort into these things and even they disagree.

By all means, share your beliefs, study and fortify your beliefs, but please be careful on calling others' beliefs false or call others false teachers.

In Christ,
KP

[graceforme]

I can tell you have put a lot of effort into this, but you should be careful about waving the "false doctrine" flag.  Escatology is one of those "disputable matters" Paul talked about in Romans 14.  It does not matter if you are pre-trib, post-trib, mid-trib or pan-trib.  It doesn't matter if you think the tribulation will last 3.5, 7, or 1000 years.  It does not matter if you are preterists or futurist.  God ACCEPTS you! 

There are definite false doctrines out there.  Gnosticism is a big one, but nothing under escatology qualifies as false doctine.  There are a plethora of differing beliefs, but they are just that, differing beliefs.  People way smarter than both of us have put a lot more time and effort into these things and even they disagree.

By all means, share your beliefs, study and fortify your beliefs, but please be careful on calling others' beliefs false or call others false teachers.

In Christ,
KP

Wise words.  I have added to your manna.  It's easy to scream "False doctrine" when we don't agree with someone's theory.  This is one of those "non-salvation" issues.   No matter which way we believe it - what will happen will happen.  We just have to make sure we are in Christ and ready to face what comes our way.

God bless.

[larry2]

I can tell you have put a lot of effort into this, but you should be careful about waving the "false doctrine" flag.  Eschatology is one of those "disputable matters" Paul talked about in Romans 14.  It does not matter if you are pre-trib, post-trib, mid-trib or pan-trib.  It doesn't matter if you think the tribulation will last 3.5, 7, or 1000 years.  It does not matter if you are preterists or futurist.  God ACCEPTS you! 

There are definite false doctrines out there.  Gnosticism is a big one, but nothing under eschatology qualifies as false doctine.  There are a plethora of differing beliefs, but they are just that, differing beliefs.  People way smarter than both of us have put a lot more time and effort into these things and even they disagree.

By all means, share your beliefs, study and fortify your beliefs, but please be careful on calling others' beliefs false or call others false teachers.

In Christ,
KP

That's wisdom k-pappy; it seems you have been around the block a couple times. Amen.

[Eccl12:13]

So what you all are saying is that although there are NO other scriptures backing up a belief in a 7year tribulation, something a lot of people believe, your advice is to "just don't knock what others are saying"!  Well that is not what God's words tell us.  In fact, He instructs us to do just the opposite.  Let's read;

2 Tim.4
"....make full proof of thy ministry."

So it can be done.  Whether people agree with it is on them.

1 John 4
[1] Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

When someone brings a doctrine that does not seem correct, try them.  Challange them with the word of God.  If the doctrine in false it's false.  If it stands up to the word of God it is true.

1 Thes.5
[21] Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

The doctrines that go inline with the word of God are what we are to hold on to.

And finally;

2 Tim.3 [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

God's word IS to be used for doctrine reproof AND CORRECTION!

So whether are not one believes the message is not up to us.  God wants His true word taught, and we are to teach it according to scripture.

Now God has given us a lot of information concerning the Tribulation Period.  And nothing He has given, in no way, points to a 7yr Tribulation.  Like I said in my post, it would be HARD to miss the signs, if the word of God is truly studied. 

If God words says there will be a 7yr tribulation period then PROVE IT!  If it is not found in the scriptures, TOSS it!


Now let's look at something;


Some will try to argue that the tribulation period lasting 3.5yrs, 7yrs or how ever long is not a salvation issue.  Well let's look at the following scenario, part of which, was given to us by God.

God tells us He has prepared a place of safety for the church.  Those that reach that place of safety will be protected.  But what happens to those that either don't believe and are waiting to be raptured, or they believe they still have another 3.5yrs before the real trouble starts?  Mind you we are talking about the saints here.  What is their fate if they do not make it to God's place of safety?  Let's read what happens to the woman/church and then those that do NOT make it to the place of safety;

Rev,12
[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

So the church is now safe.  Not raptured, but right here on earth.  Let's see what Satan tries to do;

[15] And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Just as in the day of Moses the nation of Israel fled, so will the church.  And Satan will try to capture her with a flood.

[16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

But God helps the church, just as He always does.  But what about those that choose NOT to follow those that believed and trusted God.  What is their fate?

[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Satan goes after those that are NOT in God's place of safety and makes war with them.  And does he over come them?  Let's read;

Rev.13
 [5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Yes he does!

Now let's read what Daniel had to say about this same event;

Dan.7
[20] And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
[21] I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

And again, the saints, those that know and believe, but for whatever reason did not follow the rest of the church to the place of safety.

Now can this effect your salvation?  It sure can.  How?

Well let's say it's going to be very hard NOT to take the mark, when your family, friends and loved ones are being killed and tortured!

Yes!  It's going to be bad!





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[Corbley]

I think you are confussing the tribulation period and the period of "great tribulation"
For the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation period,  Satan still has access to heaven...Christ defeats him and casts him out.

Mind you, the Anti-Christ will already be in power when this happens...
When Satan is cast out of heaven, he then causes "Great tribulation" to the saints,  because he knows his time is short.

The tribulation period is 7 years long,  but split in 1/2 if you will....Read the book of Daniel and Rev carefully

[larry2]

I think you are confussing the tribulation period and the period of "great tribulation"
For the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation period,  Satan still has access to heaven...Christ defeats him and casts him out.

Mind you, the Anti-Christ will already be in power when this happens...
When Satan is cast out of heaven, he then causes "Great tribulation" to the saints,  because he knows his time is short.

The tribulation period is 7 years long,  but split in 1/2 if you will....Read the book of Daniel and Rev carefully

Brother Corbley, I just knew that someday if I listened to you long enough, I would agree with you on something.   

[Corbley]

I think you are confussing the tribulation period and the period of "great tribulation"
For the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation period,  Satan still has access to heaven...Christ defeats him and casts him out.

Mind you, the Anti-Christ will already be in power when this happens...
When Satan is cast out of heaven, he then causes "Great tribulation" to the saints,  because he knows his time is short.

The tribulation period is 7 years long,  but split in 1/2 if you will....Read the book of Daniel and Rev carefully

Brother Corbley, I just knew that someday if I listened to you long enough, I would agree with you on something.   

Thank you for saying so......But I would guess we belive in many more truths in the word.    I just may say it differently than you

[Eccl12:13]

I think you are confussing the tribulation period and the period of "great tribulation"
For the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation period,  Satan still has access to heaven...Christ defeats him and casts him out.

Mind you, the Anti-Christ will already be in power when this happens...
When Satan is cast out of heaven, he then causes "Great tribulation" to the saints,  because he knows his time is short.

The tribulation period is 7 years long,  but split in 1/2 if you will....Read the book of Daniel and Rev carefully

Did you even read my post?  Please show me, with scripture, the Tribulation period will last for 7 years, but will be split in half.

The tribulation period and the period of great tribulation are one in the same.

Next, you must understand that everything that was given to John in Rev. was not a future event.  Some of what he spoke were events that already happened.  One of them is Satan being kicked out of Heaven.  God did that One time and One time only.  Satan does not, nor will he ever have access to heaven again.

Do you really think God would allow Satan BACK into heaven once he was removed?  Does that make sense?


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[larry2]

Next, you must understand that everything that was given to John in Rev. was not a future event.  Some of what he spoke were events that already happened.  One of them is Satan being kicked out of Heaven.  God did that One time and One time only.  Satan does not, nor will he ever have access to heaven again.

Do you really think God would allow Satan BACK into heaven once he was removed?  Does that make sense?

Eccl 12:13, can you show me that in scripture please? God's word is what counts, not our making sense of it. Revelation 12:8-9 states Satan was cast out at that time, and I believe God.

You say that this occurred once way back when, and yet Revelation 4:1 says the things that John is going to be shown is going to happen hereafter from the Lord's Day (Rev. 1:10); that day when Jesus takes His own throne as King of kings (Rev. 4:2). Revelation 1:1 says it this way: Jesus was given things to show His servants things which shall shortly come to pass. That doesn't appear to be things of the past.

[Sardine Can]

I think you are confussing the tribulation period and the period of "great tribulation"
For the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation period,  Satan still has access to heaven...Christ defeats him and casts him out.

Mind you, the Anti-Christ will already be in power when this happens...
When Satan is cast out of heaven, he then causes "Great tribulation" to the saints,  because he knows his time is short.

The tribulation period is 7 years long,  but split in 1/2 if you will....Read the book of Daniel and Rev carefully

Did you even read my post?  Please show me, with scripture, the Tribulation period will last for 7 years, but will be split in half.

The tribulation period and the period of great tribulation are one in the same.

Next, you must understand that everything that was given to John in Rev. was not a future event.  Some of what he spoke were events that already happened.  One of them is Satan being kicked out of Heaven.  God did that One time and One time only.  Satan does not, nor will he ever have access to heaven again.

Do you really think God would allow Satan BACK into heaven once he was removed?  Does that make sense?


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In Job 2:1-2 it says The sons of God came to present themselves before God,
and satan was among them. This must of happened in heaven, or where do
you think this took place?

[Eccl12:13]

Eccl 12:13, can you show me that in scripture please? God's word is what counts,

You are correct!  God's word is what counts.  So let's read what thus said the Lord;

Rev.12
[1] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Now this represents ALL of the nation of Israel.  Let's prove it;

Gen.37
[9] And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.

Here we have Joseph telling his dream to his family.  And this is what Jacob made of the dream;

[10] And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?

The Sun = Jacob, The moon = Rachel, The eleven stars = his brothers with him being the twelveth.  So here we have the entire nation of Israel.  Now back to Rev.;

[2] And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

The woman, that represented the entire nation of Israel, was about to give birth.

[3] And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Now we have Satan on the scene.  Let's continue;

[4] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

So Satan, along with a third part of the angels, was cast down to earth.  And he stood before the woman, which was ready to deliver, and devour her child as soon as he was born.

Now this represents King Herod when he was trying to find Jesus.  Let's read it;

Matt.2
[1] Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
[3] When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.

I'm sure you know the story.  But let's read what King Herod tried to do;

[13] And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou
[16] Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

So Herod tried to "devour" Jesus.  Let's read more.  Back to Rev.;

[5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

So the woman, that represented the entire nation of Israel, had the child.  And this child was to rule ALL nations with a rod of iron.  And this child was caught up to God and to His throne.

So.......will the events we just read happen AGAIN!  No they will not.  As I'm sure you already know by now they have already happened.

Did you notice what else happened in the "past" from the verses we just read.  Let's read it again;

[3] And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
[4] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:

So the dragon was cast down to the earth.  Kicked out of heaven.  Just as Jesus said;

Luke 10
[18] And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

So....you say God's word is what counts.  Well, we have just read what thus said the Lord. 

The question is.....Will you accept it?

[Eccl12:13]

In Job 2:1-2 it says The sons of God came to present themselves before God,
and satan was among them. This must of happened in heaven, or where do
you think this took place?

Let's think about this for a moment.  Satan is a created being that lived in heaven.  He became vain.  He sinned, along with other angels.  There was a war in heaven and Satan and all the angels that followed him were thrown out.

Heaven is the dwelling place of a holy God.  Everything around Him is holy.

Why would God allow Satan BACK into heaven after throwing him out?

If we go back to read Job 1 we find that Satan was roaming the earth;

[7] And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

God can have a meeting ANYWHERE He wants, but He WILL not allow anything unholy to occupy His dwelling place.


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[son of God]

I think you are confussing the tribulation period and the period of "great tribulation"
For the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation period,  Satan still has access to heaven...Christ defeats him and casts him out.

Mind you, the Anti-Christ will already be in power when this happens...
When Satan is cast out of heaven, he then causes "Great tribulation" to the saints,  because he knows his time is short.

The tribulation period is 7 years long,  but split in 1/2 if you will....Read the book of Daniel and Rev carefully

Satan does not have access to heaven.  Hasn't for almost 2000 years now.

[son of God]

Next, you must understand that everything that was given to John in Rev. was not a future event.  Some of what he spoke were events that already happened.  One of them is Satan being kicked out of Heaven.  God did that One time and One time only.  Satan does not, nor will he ever have access to heaven again.

Do you really think God would allow Satan BACK into heaven once he was removed?  Does that make sense?

Eccl 12:13, can you show me that in scripture please? God's word is what counts, not our making sense of it. Revelation 12:8-9 states Satan was cast out at that time, and I believe God.

You say that this occurred once way back when, and yet Revelation 4:1 says the things that John is going to be shown is going to happen hereafter from the Lord's Day (Rev. 1:10); that day when Jesus takes His own throne as King of kings (Rev. 4:2). Revelation 1:1 says it this way: Jesus was given things to show His servants things which shall shortly come to pass. That doesn't appear to be things of the past.

If all that is in Rev was yet to come, Christ was too.