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Re: The Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #35 on: Mon Sep 14, 2009 - 07:49:03 »
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Amo, the O.P. refers to Mt.24:15. The abomination of desolation spoken by the prophet Daniel.  You are giving illustrations of all the things that are an abomination to God.

  Is someone after you now, as a Christian, that you feel so threatened? Is the Pope a great threat to you now?

The false doctrines and abominations of the Church of Rome are a threat to anyone who might be deceived by them.  The word of God tells us what God Himself considers an abomination to be.  If one wants to know what the abomination of desolation spoken of in the word of God is, they might as well start with finding out what the word of God says an abomination is.

Why do you try to tell anybody the truth as you see it rezar?  Do you feel threatened by those who disagree with you?   Or are you trying to help those you are warning?  If it is the latter, do you really believe that only people who believe what you believe can have the proper motive?

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Re: The Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #36 on: Mon Sep 14, 2009 - 09:39:00 »
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Why do you try to tell anybody the truth as you see it rezar?
I know you do but what am i?

And here's the point:

The question asks, what is the "abomination of desolation" spoken by the prophet Daniel.

So, We have that reference from Jesus in Mt.24:15.

Now. We can zero in on Daniel's book.  I'm out of time right now, but we can safely zero in on Daniel's description of Antiochus E. in Dan.11.
So, a parallel "antichrist" or corporate "Beast" would happen in Christ's generation, as Jesus spoke of Israel & the temple.
The Beast would be a heathen, just like Antiochus E. (beasts coming out of the sea in Dan7)

Simply put, he would be a contemporary of Jesus time. Caesar fits the bill.
And Titus would place the pagan eagles & images in the Jewish temple- considered an abomination  again in Jewish law.

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Re: The Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #37 on: Thu Oct 01, 2009 - 14:22:45 »
The abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 is Papal Rome, (final Pope) taking his seat again in Jerusalem and Christ will make an end to this sin upon his return. For more on this go to [link removed per forum rules].

Dan 11:36  And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37  Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38  But in his estate shall he honor the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honor with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
Dan 11:39  Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
Dan 11:40  And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
Dan 11:41  He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
Dan 11:42  He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
Dan 11:43  But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
Dan 11:44  But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
Dan 11:45  And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

The abomination of desolation in Matthew 24:15 was 1260 years (a year is as a day with the Lord) of Papal Rome rule from 538AD with Emperor Justinian’s decree and under the military protection of Belisarius and the beast (Pope) until the deadly wound came in 1798 by General Berthier who made his entrance into Rome and abolished the papal government and established a secular one. This is also confirmed in Revelation 12:6 the church of Jesus would hide in the wilderness for exactly 1260 days (years) or 3 ½ years. This was the time when Rome persecuted the Christians and killed them which were around 500 million saints slain for the cause of their faith in Jesus. 1798 – 538 = 1260 days/years. Napoleon had closed down the Catholic Church and the Papacy, its power was thought to be forever broken. The wound was largely healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave the Vatican back to the Pope and established it as a country in it's own right in the Lateran Treaty. Today the
Vatican (a church), has formal diplomatic relations with almost every country in the world.

Matthew 24:13 but he that shall endure unto the end the same shall be saved. This means the end of Papal rule in 1798. Vs. 14 and this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations and then shall the end come. This means that now the gospel can be preached through out the world as we have been set free from Papal authority even though Papal Rome will try to take its seat
in Jerusalem, Daniel 11:36-45; 2Thessalonians 2:3, 4, which is also an abomination to God as Satan said “I will ascend into heaven; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God (other ruling powers) I will sit also upon the Mount of the Congregation in the sides of the north (Jerusalem). I will ascend above the clouds, I will be like the Most High,
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Re: The Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #38 on: Thu Oct 01, 2009 - 20:08:27 »
The abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 is Papal Rome, (final Pope) taking his seat again in Jerusalem and Christ will make an end to this sin upon his return. For more on this go to my website at www.ourchurch.com/member/m/ministering and click on Second Coming of Christ.

Dan 11:36  And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37  Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38  But in his estate shall he honor the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honor with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
Dan 11:39  Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
Dan 11:40  And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
Dan 11:41  He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
Dan 11:42  He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
Dan 11:43  But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
Dan 11:44  But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
Dan 11:45  And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

The abomination of desolation in Matthew 24:15 was 1260 years (a year is as a day with the Lord) of Papal Rome rule from 538AD with Emperor Justinian’s decree and under the military protection of Belisarius and the beast (Pope) until the deadly wound came in 1798 by General Berthier who made his entrance into Rome and abolished the papal government and established a secular one. This is also confirmed in Revelation 12:6 the church of Jesus would hide in the wilderness for exactly 1260 days (years) or 3 ½ years. This was the time when Rome persecuted the Christians and killed them which were around 500 million saints slain for the cause of their faith in Jesus. 1798 – 538 = 1260 days/years. Napoleon had closed down the Catholic Church and the Papacy, its power was thought to be forever broken. The wound was largely healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave the Vatican back to the Pope and established it as a country in it's own right in the Lateran Treaty. Today the
Vatican (a church), has formal diplomatic relations with almost every country in the world.

Matthew 24:13 but he that shall endure unto the end the same shall be saved. This means the end of Papal rule in 1798. Vs. 14 and this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations and then shall the end come. This means that now the gospel can be preached through out the world as we have been set free from Papal authority even though Papal Rome will try to take its seat
in Jerusalem, Daniel 11:36-45; 2Thessalonians 2:3, 4, which is also an abomination to God as Satan said “I will ascend into heaven; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God (other ruling powers) I will sit also upon the Mount of the Congregation in the sides of the north (Jerusalem). I will ascend above the clouds, I will be like the Most High,

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Re: The Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #39 on: Thu Oct 01, 2009 - 22:26:05 »
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How hypocritical for a Christian to hate the Pope!
2 Commandments He gave. So you love God, but not your brother?

Is the Pope a threat to you now?  And why do you feel so threatened?  If your faith is strong, you would not even think about it twice.

Without love, there's nothing.

I didn't see anything in the post you are speaking of, about hating the Pope.  You are right to say that without love there is nothing.  On the other hand, there is a love that will certainly exclude one from heaven, and that is loving a lie.  The Church of Rome is filled with lies, and the Pope as the head of the same, is the main perpetrator of them.  Pointing out the truth concerning this, does not mean that the one who does so hates the Pope, or anyone else for that matter.  It may just be that they love the truth, and therefore feel compelled to speak it.

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.



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Re: The Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #40 on: Fri Oct 02, 2009 - 12:36:20 »
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How hypocritical for a Christian to hate the Pope!
2 Commandments He gave. So you love God, but not your brother?

Is the Pope a threat to you now?  And why do you feel so threatened?  If your faith is strong, you would not even think about it twice.



Without love, there's nothing.

I didn't see anything in the post you are speaking of, about hating the Pope.  You are right to say that without love there is nothing.  On the other hand, there is a love that will certainly exclude one from heaven, and that is loving a lie.  The Church of Rome is filled with lies, and the Pope as the head of the same, is the main perpetrator of them.  Pointing out the truth concerning this, does not mean that the one who does so hates the Pope, or anyone else for that matter.  It may just be that they love the truth, and therefore feel compelled to speak it.

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.




I don't believe anyone is excluded from heaven. There may be temporary punishments & even a temporary place of "purification" as most Christian Universalists believe from the intense warnings in Scripture. But by no means, is it eternal punishment. Eternal only applies to God.
Origen believed that about Christian Universalism.

To say to me in so many words, that i do not have access to the tree of life- "bc i maketh a lie" is just a sin of spiritual pride on your part-  Judging & being a fruit inspector about one of God's children. Who are you to say something about Someone's child? 
The Holy Spirit works from the inside on all of us. We are God's workmanship.

Maybe YOU don't have access to the tree of life & the living waters, bc you are still waiting 2,000 yrs. for it!

Trust me. Daniel was told the time of the end was not for his time- to seal up the vision & prophecy till the end times. It was about 600 yrs. later that St. John would open the book- so yes, Daniel's prophecy was not "at hand" & the Lord said so.

So if John's apocalypse was told him to be "at hand" in 65 or 95 AD even- it's been 2,000 yrs. for the "at hand prophecy"  yet only 600 yrs. was said to be distant for Daniel.

So, now look at Deut. 18:22:

22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.


The measure that you judge will come back to you.

And so i still ask, why are you making Christ to be a liar & a false prophet?

No, Christ receives us to Himself in heaven when we each individually die as a matter of fact.

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« Reply #41 on: Fri Oct 02, 2009 - 13:30:31 »
I never said I hated the Pope, but only exposing him through the word of God as to be the one who will sit on the throne in Jerusalem which is the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and Daniel 11:36-45. No one has to agree with anything I post, but I post what the Holy Spirit shows me and back it up with scripture so yo can read it for yourself and draw your own conclusions. I would not be a child of God if I hated anyone for Gods will is to love everyone unconditionally and pray even for our enemies.

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« Reply #42 on: Fri Oct 02, 2009 - 13:35:37 »
The abomination of desolation is most likely the temple to zeus that was erected upon the temple mount, from which burnt swine offerings were made to the Gods for a period of time.

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« Reply #43 on: Fri Oct 02, 2009 - 14:00:47 »
Yes, & let's hope these 4yrs. don't turn the U.S. into an OBAMANATION!

                     Joking of course. 

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Re: The Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #44 on: Fri Oct 02, 2009 - 14:46:08 »


How hypocritical for a Christian to hate the Pope!
2 Commandments He gave. So you love God, but not your brother?

Is the Pope a threat to you now?  And why do you feel so threatened?  If your faith is strong, you would not even think about it twice.

Without love, there's nothing.


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The Pope is no threat to an individual Christian.  As long as they understand who he is and pray fro him.
He is no man to be respected by any Christian. By assuming the name "Vicor of Christ" ie; Substitute for Christ.
He defies God and therefore is an Anti Christ

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« Reply #45 on: Fri Oct 02, 2009 - 17:11:54 »
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He is no man to be respected by any Christian. By assuming the name "Vicor of Christ" ie; Substitute for Christ.
He defies God and therefore is an Anti Christ
It's "vicar" & i don't see why you are so obnoxiously appalled by a Pope acting "vicariously" for Christ.  Who else would he be leiutenant to? You don't have to answer that- i really don't care so much. Has he said he IS Christ?

But according to this thread, the Pope is not "the" Antichrist anyway. I mean even Howard Stern admitted to be the antichrist. lol.

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« Reply #46 on: Fri Oct 02, 2009 - 21:41:15 »
I'm surprised that so many of you are not familiar with the spiritual harlotry Message within our Lord's Word. That's a sign that many of you haven't studied all of God's Word. That because our Lord and His Apostles continued that metaphor in the NT when preaching from the OT.

Jer 30:4-7
4   And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.
5   For thus saith the LORD; "We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.
6   Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?
7   Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
(KJV)


1Thes 5:2-3
2   For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3   For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
(KJV)


dp.  What you say in your OP makes a great deal of sense.  As for the rest, Mat.15: 14.

This is important:

If you have a KJV with the Strong's Greek Dictionary numbers inserted in the text, do a New Testament word-search on the word "temple".

The Greek uses three words, all translated as "temple" in English:-

1. Oikos ("house" - the house of God):  found in reference to the holy place/most holy place of the Jerusalem temple BEFORE the tearing of the veil (Mat.12: 4), but not AFTER that. 

2. Noas:-

(a) always used in Christ's reference to His body as the temple + the holy place/most holy place of the Jerusalem temple UNTIL the tearing of the veil.

(b) AFTER the tearing of the veil used only in reference to our bodies as the temple, the church as the temple, and the heavenly temple/temple in heaven (in the Revelation).

exceptions:

"... who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple (naos) of God, setting himself forth, that he is God." (2Th 2:4)

"... And a reed like a rod was given to me. And the angel stood, saying, Rise up and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and those who worship in it." (Rev 11:1)

The above are the only two references to the Jerusalem temple which use the word naos AFTER the tearing of the veil.

3. Heiron:

(a) used in reference to the temple building and outer courts of the Jerusalem temple UNTIL the tearing of the veil.

(b).  Used in reference to the temple in Jerusalem from Acts onward.

From Acts onwards, ONLY the Greek word hieron is used in reference to the Jerusalem temple, except in these verses:

"... And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place (Greek: HAGIOS TOPOS), and the law:" (Acts 6:13) - this is AFTER the tearing of the veil; and:

"... Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place (Greek: HAGIOS TOPOS) (Act 21:28).

Now look at the following:

"... When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (Greek: HAGIOS TOPOS), (whoso readeth, let him understand:) (Mat 24:15)

We lose a lot in translations, I think.

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« Reply #47 on: Sat Oct 03, 2009 - 05:17:16 »
I made a nasty remark in a post to rezar here and I deleted it because it was inappropriate.  My apologies, rezar.

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« Reply #48 on: Sat Oct 03, 2009 - 08:50:34 »
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He is no man to be respected by any Christian. By assuming the name "Vicor of Christ" ie; Substitute for Christ.
He defies God and therefore is an Anti Christ
It's "vicar" & i don't see why you are so obnoxiously appalled by a Pope acting "vicariously" for Christ.  Who else would he be leiutenant to? You don't have to answer that- i really don't care so much. Has he said he IS Christ?

But according to this thread, the Pope is not "the" Antichrist anyway. I mean even Howard Stern admitted to be the antichrist. lol.


(1Ti 2:3)  For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,

(1Ti 2:4)  who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

(1Ti 2:5)  For God is one, and there is one Mediator of God and of men, the Man Christ Jesus,

(1Ti 2:6)  who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

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« Reply #49 on: Sat Oct 03, 2009 - 10:10:13 »
"... And call no one your father on the earth, for One is your Father in Heaven. Nor be called teachers, for One is your Teacher, even Christ.  But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant.  And whoever shall exalt himself shall be abased, and he who shall humble himself shall be exalted." (Mat 23:9-12)

The word "vicar" is derived from "vicarious", which means "instead of" or acting a substitute.  Jesus said that He would send the Holy Spirit in His stead.  The Holy Spirit is therefore the Vicar of Christ (the only Vicar of Christ).

Anyone who accepts or claims for himself the titles "Vicar of Christ" and "Holy Father" is blaspheming God and is extremely presumptuous to imagine that God Himself, who is the only One who can be called "Vicar of Christ" and "Holy Father" would bestow such a title on a sinful human being.

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« Reply #50 on: Sat Oct 03, 2009 - 10:43:41 »
"... And call no one your father on the earth, for One is your Father in Heaven. Nor be called teachers, for One is your Teacher, even Christ.  But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant.  And whoever shall exalt himself shall be abased, and he who shall humble himself shall be exalted." (Mat 23:9-12)

The word "vicar" is derived from "vicarious", which means "instead of" or acting a substitute.  Jesus said that He would send the Holy Spirit in His stead.  The Holy Spirit is therefore the Vicar of Christ (the only Vicar of Christ).

Anyone who accepts or claims for himself the titles "Vicar of Christ" and "Holy Father" is blaspheming God and is extremely presumptuous to imagine that God Himself, who is the only One who can be called "Vicar of Christ" and "Holy Father" would bestow such a title on a sinful human being.

Yes, the "Father" title bothered me too- one of the reasons i'm not Catholic. I feel sorry for the pope for the same reasons someone else may feel anger & resentment. Maybe i'm too generous with that- but whatever, we can't all be exactly the same like clones.

But interestingly- if you've come that far- if you would step a little further when you use Mt.23:9-12- call no one on earth "Father" including the so-called church fathers. These would have you believe their eschatology was divinely inspired in the creeds.

But as one matures in Biblical eschatology- I believe one can probably see that the "fathers" writings were not inspired like the original Text.

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« Reply #51 on: Sat Oct 03, 2009 - 14:27:02 »
"... And call no one your father on the earth, for One is your Father in Heaven. Nor be called teachers, for One is your Teacher, even Christ.  But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant.  And whoever shall exalt himself shall be abased, and he who shall humble himself shall be exalted." (Mat 23:9-12)

The word "vicar" is derived from "vicarious", which means "instead of" or acting a substitute.  Jesus said that He would send the Holy Spirit in His stead.  The Holy Spirit is therefore the Vicar of Christ (the only Vicar of Christ).

Anyone who accepts or claims for himself the titles "Vicar of Christ" and "Holy Father" is blaspheming God and is extremely presumptuous to imagine that God Himself, who is the only One who can be called "Vicar of Christ" and "Holy Father" would bestow such a title on a sinful human being.

Yes, the "Father" title bothered me too- one of the reasons i'm not Catholic. I feel sorry for the pope for the same reasons someone else may feel anger & resentment. Maybe i'm too generous with that- but whatever, we can't all be exactly the same like clones.

But interestingly- if you've come that far- if you would step a little further when you use Mt.23:9-12- call no one on earth "Father" including the so-called church fathers. These would have you believe their eschatology was divinely inspired in the creeds.

But as one matures in Biblical eschatology- I believe one can probably see that the "fathers" writings were not inspired like the original Text.


Trouble is, neither are your writings or Preterist ramblings inspired like the original text.  You read meanings into the original text to a far greater extent than did the early church "fathers", and you choose to flatly ignore many passages and verses of scripture, such as those which clearly and unambiguously speak of the coming of Christ on the clouds of glory at the time of the resurrection and of our rapture.

It wouldn't be such a problem if you weren't so frequently rude and insulting of those who do not share your views, and if you did not continuously belittle and deride both their views and them which you do so frequently in your posts.

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« Reply #52 on: Sat Oct 03, 2009 - 16:05:42 »
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Trouble is, neither are your writings or Preterist ramblings inspired like the original text.  You read meanings into the original text to a far greater extent than did the early church "fathers", and you choose to flatly ignore many passages and verses of scripture, such as those which clearly and unambiguously speak of the coming of Christ on the clouds of glory at the time of the resurrection and of  our rapture.

Can you give examples? And "our rapture?" brother, where R you going? I already know i'm not going- but where are you going, & why?


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It wouldn't be such a problem if you weren't so frequently rude and insulting of those who do not share your views, and if you did not continuously belittle and deride both their views and them which you do so frequently in your posts.


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« Reply #53 on: Sat Oct 03, 2009 - 18:56:28 »
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He is no man to be respected by any Christian. By assuming the name "Vicor of Christ" ie; Substitute for Christ.
He defies God and therefore is an Anti Christ
It's "vicar" & i don't see why you are so obnoxiously appalled by a Pope acting "vicariously" for Christ.  Who else would he be leiutenant to? You don't have to answer that- i really don't care so much. Has he said he IS Christ?

But according to this thread, the Pope is not "the" Antichrist anyway. I mean even Howard Stern admitted to be the antichrist. lol.
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Re: The Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #54 on: Sun Oct 04, 2009 - 03:36:52 »
by gto,

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O.k, no drama then - but please lower the toilet seat in that avatar of yours which you use - the stuff that keeps bubbling out of there results in words like this:

What happened to Israel 2,000 yrs. ago God said won't ever be again. He doesn't reject them twice.

You mentioning this just shows that you don't care about anyone but yourself, bc to say Israel will suffer horrendously again, that is hatred & ANTISEMITIC.

Get with the program & learn that this God had come to pass 2,000yrs. ago.  It's time you started studying preterism bc you sound like Hitler.
God left the building & terminated His theocratic relationship with Israel 2,000 yrs. ago.
Ignorance is not bliss when it comes to history.

Start listening & reading. Your dogma & bigotry & ignorance makes Christians look like academic losers for sure.
Preach the Good News. No one wants to hear that if one doesn't accept Christ, they will fry in hell.
Time to wake up & live the commandments of Faith- not preach hatred of the lost.

No need to apologize. Just do your homework.


No drama - just a calm request that you lower the toilet seat in that avatar of yours to try and prevent this sort of stuff from bubbling out of there.


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Re: The Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #55 on: Sun Oct 04, 2009 - 08:54:16 »
Gt out,
You'll never reach perfection that way, which seems to be the man in the toilet with the toilet mouth today!
Eph.4:22-24,
22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

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Re: The Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #56 on: Sun Oct 04, 2009 - 12:38:26 »
Gt out,
You'll never reach perfection that way, which seems to be the man in the toilet with the toilet mouth today!
Eph.4:22-24,
22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.


At last! I succeeded in getting rezar to interpret verses of scripture according to truth, and not according to her own private interpretations  ::clappingoverhead::

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Re: The Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #57 on: Sun Oct 04, 2009 - 13:30:25 »
Gt out,
You'll never reach perfection that way, which seems to be the man in the toilet with the toilet mouth today!
Eph.4:22-24,
22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.



At last! I succeeded in getting rezar to interpret verses of scripture according to truth, and not according to her own private interpretations  ::clappingoverhead::


Pride again. You failed in everyone else's opinion, lol. 

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Re: The Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #58 on: Mon Oct 05, 2009 - 10:44:55 »
Here are the websites I use to back up what I have said about the Pope and the abomination of desolation. I pray you read through these and allow the Holy Spirit to minister truth to you.

www.vaticandesignexposed.com
www.toughissues.org -      look under Vicarius Filii Dei
www.ourchurch.com/member/m/ministering
www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm   concentration camps in the USA
Cephas Ministry Inc. - Files about Freemasonry (just type this in)

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Re: The Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #59 on: Mon Oct 05, 2009 - 16:59:02 »
Here are the websites I use to back up what I have said about the Pope and the abomination of desolation. I pray you read through these and allow the Holy Spirit to minister truth to you.

www.vaticandesignexposed.com
www.toughissues.org -      look under Vicarius Filii Dei
www.ourchurch.com/member/m/ministering
www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm   concentration camps in the USA
Cephas Ministry Inc. - Files about Freemasonry (just type this in)


Definitely a no thanks on the links. And the Holy Spirit would NEVER minister to me about a lie in the 1st place & would tell me so- like now, about where the "spirit" is in the links.

But some may believe you.

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Re: The Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #60 on: Mon Oct 05, 2009 - 18:52:20 »
well rezar I am sorry you have no need of looking at these sites as you are missing what is happening in the world right now as we type in here. All we have to do is look at what is happening in the world as God has always given us signs to watch out for before the return of Jesus. It doesn't matter what we agree with or disagree with, but Gods word says what it says and I believe what He has already said.

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Re: The Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #61 on: Mon Oct 05, 2009 - 19:17:32 »
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All we have to do is look at what is happening in the world as God has always given us signs to watch out for before the return of Jesus.
We should be up on current events, weather, politics, health topics, etc.  It's where your needs & interest lies too.
Jesus came so that we would have life on earth, abundantly. Now. He told His 1st disciples signs to watch out for- the signs of the end of the age, & the signs of His coming.

Luke 21:20-22,
The Destruction of Jerusalem
   
20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.



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Re: The Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #62 on: Mon Oct 05, 2009 - 20:40:28 »
Matthew 24:27  For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24:28  For wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Matthew 24:29  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matthew 24:30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matthew 24:31  And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

We can read these scriptures and speculate what they mean, but this is what The Holy Spirit has shown me according to the progression of nuclear warheads. The lightning represents nuclear fire as it reaches from the east to the west with the east being possibly Russia or China as they now have the capability of long range missiles that can reach the shores of America, which is the west. Immediately after the tribulation of those days, what days, the day they decide to launch those missiles, and the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give light and the stars shall fall from heaven, which could be asteroids. Now what else could cause the sun to be blocked out by day and the moon at night other then a nuclear blast.

I'm not asking anyone to agree with this, but to at least think of the possibility because Jesus said in His own words that after all of this then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven and all will mourn, I believe this to be the ones who rejected Jesus as why would we mourn His coming in the clouds. Then the angels will come with  a sound of a trumpet, no silent rapture here, and gather all of Gods children to take us home to paradise, or the new heaven and the new earth. This earth will not be destroyed as God has already said he would not destroy it, but it will be renewed in all it's beauty again. There is a lot more to this, but I have already explained this in my blog Second Coming of Christ or you can go to my website at www.ourchurch.com/member/m/ministering and click on Second Coming of Christ.

Matthew 24:36  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Matthew 24:37  But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24:38  For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,
Matthew 24:39  And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


 

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Re: The Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #63 on: Tue Oct 06, 2009 - 09:42:45 »

Yes, well i was never preached to about "end-times" throughout my Christian walk & church life.
Eschatology was not taught & i know why now.  But the anointing has been given & we don't need to live for some future fiction only.
Besides, futurists cannot prove anything. They are baby Christians in that they should learn about Biblical eschatology anyway & stop living in the past &/or future. Jesus promises us eternal life now. And some Christians still suffer healthwise & by self-imposed spiritual sickness.

The abundant life is for today- for us & our children. The kingdom of heaven was near 2,000 yrs. ago.
Only an ignorant Christian would keep senselessly ignoring Jesus' words & promises.

He spoke to the 1st century disciples about "wars & famines", & current events. The parables are indeed about Christ's contemporaries.

You must understand how God speaks to man & be able to discern His timing in Scripture- not one's interpretation of God timing as He relates to man.

Sometimes, if we are fortunate enough, God speaks directly to us through His still small voice to our Spirit.

If you are fortunate enough at times, God not only speaks the Truth to you- but shows you visions. Then one knows exactly what they are suppose to know.

The Holy Spirit makes His presence known right now. He can be with you in Spirit & Truth, but you must tune into God's voice & also sometimes He may give you a burning bush moment or 2 concerning heaven or hell - loved ones included- He may just answer your prayers like He did mine!

Praise God! 


Try living for today & the meeting realistic goals for the near future.

Theology that says Jesus failed to keep His promises to the apostles & disciples- AND God failing to keep His promise to OT prophets & saints (ie. resurrection of the dead)
just perpetuates peoples' fears about God & Jesus not fulfilling & His word. People have a hard time believing in a god that seemed to have made false promises.
I know, i look at the Text, & i say to myself, if this didn't happen, i would not believe.

That's why you're not being able to acknowledge His presence now bothers me. The future on this earth is for us & our children.
Not some religious armageddon like Jesus returning or 12th Iman(Shiite Muslim) returning.

My children will have a future life on this earth. The earth will not change until it actually does. You predict the world will end.

It's so dumb anyway.  Everyone goes to heaven eventually. Whether they seek a relationship with God now in this life & enjoy all His blessings & believe His promises & protection- is up to them.

But you're fighting yourself. The devil has been defeated. The heavenlies have no evil spirits about them. That's over! Man makes his own evil or not.

You can preach fear & live a fearful end. I won't. The joy is both the journey & the destination!

I'd walk out on a service that preached future end-times, btw.


The only end is heaven for us. The Bible prophecies have all been fulfilled 2k yrs. ago.






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Re: The Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #64 on: Mon Oct 12, 2009 - 01:45:31 »
well rezar I am sorry you have no need of looking at these sites as you are missing what is happening in the world right now as we type in here. All we have to do is look at what is happening in the world as God has always given us signs to watch out for before the return of Jesus. It doesn't matter what we agree with or disagree with, but Gods word says what it says and I believe what He has already said.
He is much like many Christians....They believe in God....Yet when they see God working in the world....They use their intellect to dismiss it as something else