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Re: The Antichrist is from where
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2012, 11:52:27 AM »
Habakkuk's vision is of the Babylonian Chaldeans who came against Israel in the past and of king Nebuchadnezzar .... this vision is not one of the future from today, but a near term prophecy was fulfilled

ANSWER.

I recommend these pages.

http://ariel.org/dlc/dlc-exw-hab05.htm

You see,neBUSHadnezzar was also a picture of Antichrist in endtime.

He put up the  " image of the beast" or you could say "the image of neBUSHadnezzar"

"In this verse wine is personified and thought of as a person who will not stay at home, but will go where those things are that will satisfy him. In thus speaking, the prophet had Nebuchadnezzar in mind. It was very fitting that he should speak of Nebuchadnezzar in terms of the effects that wine has upon the drinker who takes it in excess. According to abundant evidence, the Babylonians were heavy drinkers of wine. Nebuchadnezzar, like a man who is intoxicated, continually launched expeditions against neighboring countries for the purpose of loot and pillage. With him might was right. He, therefore, overran smaller nations, pillaging their countries and annexing their territories to his own. The prophet, therefore, said that he would not stay at home but enlarged “his desire as Sheol, and he is as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations, and heappeth unto him all peoples.

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Re: The Antichrist is from where
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2012, 11:59:33 AM »
All human kings who have and do stand against the Lord are "anti-Christ" .... this is what the term means "against Jesus Christ"

But the verses you offer are specific and were fulfilled in the distant past .... and they do not speak of the "prince that shall come"

.... who will not confirm the covenant of Daniel 9 with Israel at the end of this present age

It is the Lord Himself who will confirm and reach the 6 objectives of His covenant for a believing remnant of His nation at the time of the end
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1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts

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Re: The Antichrist is from where
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2012, 12:58:39 PM »
The covenant i Daniel 9 is all about the last seven years when the  nation of Israel  has made this agreement with Antichrist (GOG)

When the war in ELAM,SUSA

See the map.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susa

as written in Daniel 8 starts in Hormuz and GOG-returns you will perhaps understand

"In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, after that which appeared unto me at the first.
[2] And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai"


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Re: The Antichrist is from where
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2012, 02:28:02 PM »
Sorry, but your jargon is of some other source .... things that do not fit the prophetic scriptures and related records of the history of the Middle East at all .... not even close
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1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts

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« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2012, 02:28:02 PM »
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Re: The Antichrist is from where
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2012, 02:41:37 PM »
Again we will SEE that the antichrist comes out of the roman empire or those who were part of the roman empire and this PUTS another stake in the Islamic Antichrist.....

In Dan 9:24 we see the seventy weeks are determined for israelites and Jerusalem to FINNISH the transgressions... AND bring in EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS (Christ 1000 yr reign then new heaven and new earth) to anoint the MOST HIGH (Jesus)

So this IS about the end times

now 69 weeks have already past.... V26 Christ cut off (crucifiction)

we see in v 26 the answer....  The PEOPLE of the PRINCE to come shall destroy the city (Jerusalem) and the sanctuary.... Now WE know that the people who destroyed the temple were the ROMAN EMPIRE and that the PRINCE will come and v. 27 make a one week (7 yrs) with many which starts the tribulation period..... This IS the Antichrist who will STOP the daily sacrifices in the temple in Jerusalem.    Now we know that Satan will always go after the one true God and that the these daily sacrifices are the Israelites practice.......

We see that the prince to come is of the Roman empire NOT Islamic empire.....


Dan 8:8 tells us about the Greek empire with the he goat (8:21) is Alexander the Great who was VERY GREAT..... Now who is the little horn of v.9? Well HE waxes (is) EXCEEDINGLY GREAT.... no one out of the greek empire was GREATER than Alexander the Great... As of today..... So this IS the Antichrist....

You can still beat Micah 5:5 as being the Antichrist but if you realized the Assyrians ARE part of GOG

Gog IS the Islamic nations God WILL destroy them we see mentioned in ezekiel 38:21 that God will turn Gogs army against each other... And pestilences and blood overflowing rains great hailstones fire and brimestone..... We see that THIS is NOT what happens to the Antichrist and his armies...


This way the bible HAS ALL the players of the world

Antichrist - western nations
Gog - Islamic nations
north - Russia (dan 11:44)
east - china (dan 11:44)

now compare to the other view

Antichrist - Islam
gog - Antichrist Islam
east - Islam
the most powerful nations (US western nations) vacation ( you know America NEVER gets Involved in world affairs...
China is ALSO not seen by the Islamic pushers

So the 2 most powerful armies ARENT anywhere to be found and at best are after thoughts.


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Re: The Antichrist is from where
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2012, 02:49:48 PM »
Looks like a spam wizard is in the building
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Re: The Antichrist is from where
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2012, 03:05:16 PM »
we see in v 26 the answer....  The PEOPLE of the PRINCE to come shall destroy the city (Jerusalem) and the sanctuary.... Now WE know that the people who destroyed the temple were the ROMAN EMPIRE and that the PRINCE will come and v. 27 make a one week (7 yrs) with many which starts the tribulation period..... This IS the Antichrist who will STOP the daily sacrifices in the temple in Jerusalem.    Now we know that Satan will always go after the one true God and that the these daily sacrifices are the Israelites practice.......

ANSWER:

CORRECT.

In year 70 Jerusalem was taken by Titus . The temple was destroyeD.

But this event was no the fullfilment of prophecy.

The abomination of desolation will be a reality when Antichrist sits in the temple of God in Jerusalem .

The temple will be rebuilt about year 2021.

The last seven years is the period 2021- 2028 when the jubilee number 120 or 6000 years will end.
After 6000 years the millennium will start and Yeshua will be King over the whole world.

Antichrist will help the Jews to rebuild the temple.

Isaiah 14 tells about  him.

Lucifer is this Antichrist who has incarnated  this human beeing.


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Re: The Antichrist is from where
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2012, 03:26:56 PM »
Date setting is not for you to do son ..... no one knows the time

.... and the "anti-christ" will not be a "bush"

Revelation 9:11 has a very different description
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1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts

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Re: The Antichrist is from where
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2012, 03:49:20 PM »
If you study the fall feasts of the Lord you will understand that you are misunderstanding of these verses:

Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
[33] So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
[34] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
[35] Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
[36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
[37] But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The fall feasts of the Lord








You see . The first 4 days have been fulfilled . That happend when Yeshua came 2000 years ago.


Now we are waiting for the fulfillment of the 3 last Feasts or days.


1/7 Yom Teruah (the day  know man could tell.only God)

10/7 Yom Kipper - Jugdment day

15/7 Succoth or  the Feast of Tabernacles.


In Lev. 23  and 25 you can study these thing.

The last three fall feasts will be fulfilled after 6000 years in the Jubilee. Yom Kippur will fall the 10th day in the seventh Mount.


] And the LORD spake unto Moses in mount Sinai, saying,
[2] Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the LORD.
[3] Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof;
[4] But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.
[5] That which groweth of its own accord of thy harvest thou shalt not reap, neither gather the grapes of thy vine undressed: for it is a year of rest unto the land.
[6] And the sabbath of the land shall be meat for you; for thee, and for thy servant, and for thy maid, and for thy hired servant, and for thy stranger that sojourneth with thee,
[7] And for thy cattle, and for the beast that are in thy land, shall all the increase thereof be meat.
[8] And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.
[9] Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
[10] And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.
[11] A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed.
[12] For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field.
[13] In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession


The very important day to watch for is the Yom Teruah. The Jews wer watching forthis moment  when teh New Moon appeared over Jerusalem. Then they knew when Yom Kippur would fall 10 days later.

These 10 days were the days of awe.

http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday3.htm

The ten days starting with Rosh Hashanah and ending with Yom Kippur are commonly known as the Days of Awe (Yamim Noraim) or the Days of Repentance. This is a time for serious introspection, a time to consider the sins of the previous year and repent before Yom Kippur.

One of the ongoing themes of the Days of Awe is the concept that G-d has "books" that he writes our names in, writing down who will live and who will die, who will have a good life and who will have a bad life, for the next year. These books are written in on Rosh Hashanah, but our actions during the Days of Awe can alter G-d's decree. The actions that change the decree are "teshuvah, tefilah and tzedakah," repentance, prayer, good deeds (usually, charity). These "books" are sealed on Yom Kippur. This concept of writing in books is the source of the common greeting during this time is "May you be inscribed and sealed for a good year."

We do not know the day and hour before the NEW MOON tells us.

In the millennium all people have to do this:

 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one NEW MOON to another, and from ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Because of this very false apostle Paul the replacement theology has destroyed Gods wonderful teaching in OT.





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Re: The Antichrist is from where
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2012, 04:09:39 PM »
What are you muttering false apostle?


This is a SERIOUS accusation and antibiblical on so many levels.


Romans 11:28
 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

The apostle Paul never axed the Jews, as the Father has a plan for them.

The other disciples reverence Paul in their writing, to discount Paul is to discount nearly all the new testament, so why pretend to be a Christian?

The only false prophets are the false teachers, that have taught that the Jews are no longer included in the plan of God.

The plan is that All of Israel shall be saved, through Jesus Christ.

Romans 11:26
 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:


Please reevaluate your position concerning Paul, lest the Lord smite thee.

Hebrews 12:6
 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.



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Re: The Antichrist is from where
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2012, 04:17:31 PM »
The other disciples reverence Paul in their writing, to discount Paul is to discount nearly all the new testament, so why pretend to be a Christian?

WE or I am not allowed to discuss this matter (PAUL) here.The debateleader told me.

Sorry.

The replacement theology is very false .

Yeshua told us to keep all the commandments.
They are still in the ark of covenant.

Why do not all Christians keep the Sabbath?

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
[9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
[11] For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
[12] Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

The answer is simple.
The false replacement theology.

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Re: The Antichrist is from where
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2012, 04:27:16 PM »
The Jews must accept their true king Jesus and they will in time.

Rejecting Jesus is a greater sin than failing to keep the sabbath day.

Also many Christians do keep the 7th day holy, they may not even realize it or celebrate it, just that on that day they did good deeds and kept themselves clean, but failed to celebrate it and reap the greater blessing.






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Re: The Antichrist is from where
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2012, 05:28:21 AM »
The antichrist is from where?
As Jacob predicted in Genesis 49, the antichrist will be from the Tribe of Dan of the House of Israel.
I believe that the Tribe of Dan is the present country of Italy.
The false prophet might be a future Pope.

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Re: The Antichrist is from where
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2012, 06:35:28 AM »
The antichrist is from where?
As Jacob predicted in Genesis 49, the antichrist will be from the Tribe of Dan of the House of Israel.
I believe that the Tribe of Dan is the present country of Italy.
The false prophet might be a future Pope.


The false prophet is correctly the POPE that will support the BEAST- GOG  neBUSHadnezzar when he returns in some months.

Dan is correctly connected to the Antichrist power.

"Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that bites the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward. I have waited for your salvation, O Lord." Genesis 49:16-18.

The horseman that the tribe of Dan will cause to fall backward in the last days is described in Revelation 6:2. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer

The first seal opened 911
when Antichrist revealed himself - conquering to conquer.



http://britam.org/dan.html

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/america_babylon5.htm

Babylon the GREAT is this endtime power that will produce the BEAST.

All will soon see who this person will be - the world leader who the nations have to obey.the Straits

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/129677/pentagon-will-react-if-iran-closes-down-strait-of-hormuz.html

Pentagon "will React" If Iran Closes down Strait of Hormuz

Second seal will be opened when Iran bombs the USA in the straits of Hormuz.


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Re: The Antichrist is from where
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2012, 08:54:14 AM »
Looks like a spam wizard is in the building

if you look through the post you will see LINKER fights with everyone
it's not just me but even MODS he will attack......

False pre trib teacher right here


You give linker scripture that says he's wrong and he won't quit

for instance his insistance that GOG and Satan are one and the same
and that gog and the antichrist are the same person also

I say Satan and gog aren't the same
the Antichrist and gog aren't the same either

so.... Let's look at something anyone can understand yet linker will still stick to his agenda even when it conflicts clearly and directly with scripture....

so.... Let's look at what SCRIPTURE says:

REV 20:7 Satan is loosened from his 1000 yr lock down (20:2)
20:8 Satan then goes out to the people of the world (which GOD calls GOG and magog) and what does Satan do? He decieved them! What does God call these people? GOG and Magog
so he can gather the people together to battle the saints camp

so let's see how this works....
I could say Satan goes out and decieves GOG, right.... Ofcourse true statement
I could say God calls the nations or people GOG, right.... Ofcourse true statement
I could say Satan IS GOG, right.... Ofcourse not false statement

but linker discards this statement.... Instead he uses a verse that only calls Gog the chief prince of 3 groups of peoples WHILE there are many others mentioned that GOG is NOT prince over..... In fact you could make the arguement that more are NOT under his control than ARE...

See the key to that is he is in charge of a country where these people will come out of who start the attack against Israel. And OTHER Islamic nations will follow in the attack and this is Gog. You know every islamic fighter would want to be there for the killing of Jews and taking it (land) back for Allah... But to cebate with LINKER when we clearly see the WORD OF GOD say Satan decieves Gog

unless Satan goes out to decievce himself..... So you can never get around someone who when scripture clearly says one thing and it conflicts and STILL they won't listen.... No one can tell a know it all.... It's like when Muslims got violent over cartoons yet kids can die and they don't say a word

you simply can't reason with such..... You fight with EVERYONE linker

YOU MAKE THE FORUM A DRAG!!!!!

ONE difference between us linker is when I found out the pre trib wasn't in the bible I CHANGED what I believed..... You won't do that...... Blah blah blah goes linkers replies... Blah 
It's just as important to KNOW what's NOT in the Bible
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