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Re: End Times
« Reply #35 on: Fri Feb 26, 2010 - 17:09:28 »
From G473 and G5547; an opponent of the Messiah: - antichrist.


anti
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A primary particle; opposite, that is, instead or because of (rarely in addition to): - for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.


Pick the one that fits your theology.  I pick the first one.


God through John is clear in His definition of an antichrist.

2Jn 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

 1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


Men or mankind alreadys worships other men.  Joe Montana, Obama, Elvis, the Dallas cheerleaders... Tiger a few months ago, Haggee, Marlyn, Kennedys.  False prophets   Hinn, Copland most of who profit. These sort set them selfs up in the temple ( know ye not that you are the temple)

Joh 17:12  While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.    

Was this the antichrist you are looking for or was this Judas?







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« Reply #36 on: Fri Feb 26, 2010 - 17:25:09 »
From G473 and G5547; an opponent of the Messiah: - antichrist.


anti
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A primary particle; opposite, that is, instead or because of (rarely in addition to): - for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.


Pick the one that fits your theology.  I pick the first one.


God through John is clear in His definition of an antichrist.

2Jn 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

 1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


Men or mankind alreadys worships other men.  Joe Montana, Obama, Elvis, the Dallas cheerleaders... Tiger a few months ago, Haggee, Marlyn, Kennedys.  False prophets   Hinn, Copland most of who profit. These sort set them selfs up in the temple ( know ye not that you are the temple)

Joh 17:12  While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.    

Was this the antichrist you are looking for or was this Judas?








Nay....I pick neither....But I do agree with this:

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Men or mankind alreadys worships other men.  Joe Montana, Obama, Elvis, the Dallas cheerleaders... Tiger a few months ago, Haggee, Marlyn, Kennedys.  False prophets   Hinn, Copland most of who profit. These sort set them selfs up in the temple (

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Re: End Times
« Reply #37 on: Fri Feb 26, 2010 - 19:03:46 »
Actually I mentioned Judas earlier as pure "conjecture" by some commentators, not as bibilical "fact".  I do believe though that the "person" in the future called the Antichrist will be a real person due to several scriptures.

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« Reply #38 on: Fri Feb 26, 2010 - 22:31:39 »
2th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

MAN

a[nqrwpoß Anthropos (anth'-ro-pos);
Word Origin: Greek,  Noun Masculine, Strong #: 444


a human being, whether male or female
generically, to include all human individuals
to distinguish man from beings of a different order
of animals and plants
of from God and Christ
of the angels


KJV Word Usage and Count
man  552
not translated  4
miscellaneous  3
 
SON

uiJovß Huios (hwee-os');
Word Origin: Greek,  Noun Masculine, Strong #: 5207


a son
rarely used for the young of animals
generally used of the offspring of men
in a restricted sense, the male offspring (one born by a father and of a mother)
in a wider sense, a descendant, one of the posterity of any one,
the children of Israel
sons of Abraham
used to describe one who depends on another or is his follower
a pupil

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Re: End Times
« Reply #39 on: Sat Feb 27, 2010 - 04:50:59 »
1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.



Does the Pope deny the Father and the Son?


1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


Does the Pope deny that Jesus is thee Christ?


Which carries more weight in your thoughts   The scripture or the theories?

i don't know about now but in the past yes they did deny the hebrew names for God and his son, and called it heresy and judaizing

that is a denial

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« Reply #40 on: Sat Feb 27, 2010 - 09:41:41 »
The RCC has many papers they have kept quite a history a lot of their history is on line.  Can anyone post a snippet showing the RCC fits the discription of antichrist the scripture gives?  
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Re: End Times
« Reply #41 on: Sat Feb 27, 2010 - 10:55:05 »
The RCC has many papers they have kept quite a history a lot of their history is on line.  Can anyone post a snippet showing the RCC fits the discription of antichrist the scripture gives? 

I am quite busy today, but I just had to agree with you on the RCC!

There are far bigger threats to our welfare than the Pope or the RCC.

In fact, who do you think pulled some strings so our younger daughter could get a decent job in town on computer & as a receptionist?

Our CATHOLIC neighbor!

Praise God, thank you Jesus for these people!!


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« Reply #42 on: Sat Feb 27, 2010 - 12:16:00 »
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The RCC has many papers they have kept quite a history a lot of their history is on line.  Can anyone post a snippet showing the RCC fits the discription of antichrist the scripture gives?  

The following people lived directly under the persecuting power of the RCC.  Some of their lives were ended by the same, and all of them would have been if the RCC could have accomplished the same.  Here are a few snippets, let me know if you would like some more.

HILARY OF POITIERS  (300-368)

    “ He [Hilary] begins by speaking the blessings of peace, which the Christians of that day could neither enjoy nor promote, beset as they were by the forerunners of Antichrist…….. They bear themselves not as bishops of Christ but as priests of Antichrist. This is not random abuse, but sober recognition of the fact, stated by St. John, that there are many Antichrists. For these men assume the cloak of piety, and pretend to preach the Gospel, with the one object of inducing others to deny Christ. It was the misery and folly of the day that men endeavoured  to promote the cause of God by human means and the favor of the world. Hilary asks bishops, who believe in their office, wether the Apostles had secular support when by their preaching they converted the greater part of mankind……
     “ The church seeks for secular support, and in so doing insults Christ by the implication that His support is insufficient. She in her turn holds out the threat of exile and prison. It was her endurance of these that drew men to her; now she imposes her faith by violence. She craves for favors at the hand of her communicants; once it was her consecration that she braved the threatening of persecutors. Bishops in exile spread the faith; now it is she that exiles bishops. She boasts that the world loves her; the worlds hatred was the evidence that she was Christ’s……. The time of Antichrist, disguised as an angel of light, has come. The true Christ is hidden from almost every mind and heart. Antichrist is now obscuring the truth that he may assert falsehood hereafter.

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« Reply #43 on: Sat Feb 27, 2010 - 12:19:33 »
NICOLAUS VON AMSDORF (1483-1565) He [the Antichrist] will be revealed and come to naught before the last day, so that every man shall comprehend and recognize that the pope is the real, true Antichrist and not the vicar of Christ…. Therefore those who consider the pope and his bishops as Christian shepherds and bishops are deeply in error, but even more are those who believe that the Turk is the Antichrist. Because the Turk rules outside the church and does not sit in the holy place, nor does he seek to bear the name of Christ but is an open antagonist of Christ and His church. This does not need to be revealed, but it is clear and evident because he persecutes Christians openly and not as the pope does, secretly under the form of godliness.

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Re: End Times
« Reply #44 on: Sat Feb 27, 2010 - 13:54:00 »
I will read and look up the rest but in tht first 2 i read some accusing the RCC ,or some of its higherups as being antichrists. Which is the same you are doing.   

I dont have the time just now( the wood pile is calling) to read the rest but the first two are notthe RCC claiming Jesus is not the Christ or He did not come in the flesh.... Thank you vwery much for taking the time to resurch what you have and i will finish....    out to the wood shed  hmmm

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Re: End Times
« Reply #45 on: Sat Feb 27, 2010 - 15:29:41 »
I have read and the above are accusations of calling the Pope or the rcc antichrist. I dint doubt many, if not most, of the Popes were creeps major creeps. The scripture gives us a clear definition of antichrst.
  Can you show me an article one from the many writtings of the RCC that say Jesus is not the Christ.

Or that He did not come in the flesh.

Using the scriptures, what God has to say, show me a writing of the RCC that would confirm your statements.   

I am not RCC nor will i ever be this to me is not about RCC but about the use of God's Word.


My part of the wood pile was easy today!   I am smart enough to know better than to 'end' stack well !

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« Reply #46 on: Sat Feb 27, 2010 - 17:03:14 »
If you are expecting to find a statement from Antichrist, to the effect that he is Antichrist, I suspect you will be waiting a very long time.  The reformers that lived under the crushing weight of Rome's persecuting power believed Rome to be Antichrist.  They gave their reasons in their statements which I posted.  There are many many more where that came from. 

Rome used to burn all the people and writings that were against her.  For some time now, she has been using other methods to remove all negative history in regards to herself from the books, since she has lacked the power to burn them for now.  I have already shared with you the false doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, which makes it impossible for Christ to have been fully God and fully man by way of being the seed of Abraham and David, both men of God and yet sinners just like the rest of us.  Christ came to save sinners, not sinless beings, which is why He had to become completely one of us, and live without sin. 

If He wasn't one of us, and did what we can't do with what we do not have to do it, then how does that help us?  If forgiveness were all we needed, then Christ need not have died, He could just forgive us.  We must be changed, and Christ is the fore runner of that Change.  In order to accomplish this, He became one of us and gained the victory for us, that we might become like Him.  This is our salvation.  If He never really was one of us, then He never accomplished the above, and we are still in our sins.

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren,
that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.




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Re: End Times
« Reply #47 on: Sat Feb 27, 2010 - 17:15:56 »
So you have not found any of the RCC writtings that claim Jesus is not the Christ.  Nor that He has not come in the flesh.


I agree with much of your posts. But i have yet to see any documenation that the RCC fits the Bibical discription of antichrist.

 

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« Reply #48 on: Sat Feb 27, 2010 - 19:25:35 »
I Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

II Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


4561. sarx sarx  probably from the base of 4563; flesh (as stripped of the skin), i.e. (strictly) the meat of an animal (as food), or (by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul (or spirit), or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred), or (by implication) human nature (with its frailties (physically or morally) and passions), or (specially), a human being (as such):--carnal(-ly, + -ly minded), flesh(-ly).

The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception denies the truth set forth by the Apostle John in the above verses. 

Immaculate Conception
THE DOCTRINE
In the Constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 8 December, 1854, Pius IX pronounced and defined that the Blessed Virgin Mary "in the first instance of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin."
"The Blessed Virgin Mary . . ." The subject of this immunity from original sin is the person of Mary at the moment of the creation of her soul and its infusion into her body.
". . .in the first instance of her conception . . ." The term conception does not mean the active or generative conception by her parents. Her body was formed in the womb of the mother, and the father had the usual share in its formation. The question does not concern the immaculateness of the generative activity of her parents. Neither does it concern the passive conception absolutely and simply (conceptio seminis carnis, inchoata), which, according to the order of nature, precedes the infusion of the rational soul. The person is truly conceived when the soul is created and infused into the body. Mary was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin at the first moment of her animation, and sanctifying grace was given to her before sin could have taken effect in her soul.
". . .was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin. . ." The formal active essence of original sin was not removed from her soul, as it is removed from others by baptism; it was excluded, it never was simultaneously with the exclusion of sin. The state of original sanctity, innocence, and justice, as opposed to original sin, was conferred upon her, by which gift every stain and fault, all depraved emotions, passions, and debilities, essentially pertaining in her soul to original sin, were excluded. But she was not made exempt from the temporal penalties of Adam -- from sorrow, bodily infirmities, and death.
". . .by a singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race." The immunity from original sin was given to Mary by a singular exemption from a universal law through the same merits of Christ, by which other men are cleansed from sin by baptism. Mary needed the redeeming Saviour to obtain this exemption, and to be delivered from the universal necessity and debt (debitum) of being subject to original sin. The person of Mary, in consequence of her origin from Adam, should have been subject to sin, but, being the new Eve who was to be the mother of the new Adam, she was, by the eternal counsel of God and by the merits of Christ, withdrawn from the general law of original sin. Her redemption was the very masterpiece of Christ's redeeming wisdom. He is a greater redeemer who pays the debt that it may not be incurred than he who pays after it has fallen on the debtor.
Such is the meaning of the term "Immaculate Conception."
The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume VII
Copyright © 1910

I cannot make you see anything that you do not want to see, nor do I want to.  Besides this one false doctrine, the Church of Rome has many other false doctrines which place mere men between humanity and God, the very place Christ came to fill, which also makes them AntiChrist.  Anyone presuming authority or prerogatives which belong only to Christ, is AntiChrist. 

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Re: End Times
« Reply #49 on: Sat Feb 27, 2010 - 19:57:28 »
Guess we will just disagree.


About Mary,
Mary was just a simple sininer saved by Grace as you and I.    Well i'd bet she was saved!

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« Reply #50 on: Sun Feb 28, 2010 - 07:40:35 »
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Guess we will just disagree.

It's our God given right.

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« Reply #51 on: Sun Feb 28, 2010 - 09:31:55 »
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Guess we will just disagree.

It's our God given right.

We agree!

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« Reply #52 on: Mon Mar 01, 2010 - 06:50:42 »
a denial is not just simply denying the name of jesus christ
pope benedict says it is inappropriate to use the name in the tetragrammaton
it has been like this in the past too concerning the name of the father and sons hebrew names
a denial does not have to be blatant either, to say it is inappropiate or avoid or discourage use of the original names is a denial
anyhow i don't think the pope or RCC is the beast of revelation
i think a future pope though may be the false prophet (two horns like a lamb representing christianity)