Quote from: rezar on Today at 04:47 PM The church is NOT in the wilderness today. That is a nonsensical statement. It's history.
Stop trying to fit the future into something you dream up. History says it's done. God said it was done. And it was done "shortly" after John wrote the Apocalypse. Can you read God's timing statements? Or do you just read man's traditional statements?
You say it was done, Jesus says its coming
If it was done after John wrote the Apocalypse, then why is there sinners on the earth? were is the New heavens and the New earth God is going to create if its already happened?
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved
The world is over populated, and almost all the world has been living good , Jesus said there is going to be such a great tribulation that has never been since the earth was created, and there has been bad times through history, but nothing can even compair to what is coming, Jesus said himself if the days was not shortened no flesh would be saved, but for the elects sakes it will be shorten
I did not say they was in the wilderness today and there not, and I'm not making this up, I'm giving you 100% proof with scripture proving what I say
were is your scriptures? history what history is that?
BUT when you see Jerusalem compassed with armies, THEN desolation comes Luke 21:20
For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. Luke 21:22-
THEN Jesus tells the Church to Flee into the mountains Matthew 24:16 and not to look back
then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. Mark 13:14-16
Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. Luke 21:21
Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away:
and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. Luke 17:30-33
the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. Gen 19:15
Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed. 18 And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my Lord
But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt. Gen 19:26
if they go back they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. Luke 21:24
God tells them to FLEEflee to the valley of the mountains
; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Rev 12:6
The tribulation was after the "thousand year" reign of the martyrs (no, they didn't reign without their heads either. It's the 40 yrs, they preached the gospel) Approx. AD26-66.
Were is the Scripture ?
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle
; and the city shall be taken
, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Zech 14:1-2
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Luke 21:20 This is the Very beginning of the Tribulations, as Jesus said in Matt 24:16-21
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
during the Tribulations God is going to Destroy all the sinners out of the Earth
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
This is what the tribulations is for
and it will last for 3 1/2 years Dan 12:11 Rev 11:2 Rev 12:6 Rev 12:14
Then after the Tribulations Jesus comes he sends his angles to gather his elect Matthew 24:29-30 and they have a meeting in the Air which is Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air1 Thess 4:17
to do judgment
Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
and the saints will reign with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:6 RIGHT here on earth
Revelation 5:10 which has not happen yet
and then AFTER the 1,000 year reign satan will be losed out of his prison Rev 20:7 for GOG MAGOG, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. Rev 20:8-9
and after that
SATAN that deceived them will be cast into the the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev 20:10
The final JUDGMENT
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
What happens next?
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Rev 21:1-2