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The Judgment Seat of Christ
« on: Wed Apr 11, 2018 - 10:02:01 »
2Co 5:10  For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

When, and where does this occur?


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At Jesus' second coming.

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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #2 on: Wed Apr 11, 2018 - 10:33:30 »
Larry----

When jesus returns the saints will be raptured and the Tribulation will begin.  During this period taking place on earth, the Judgment seat of Christ will
take place. the FINAL JUDGMENT will occur at the very end of time (after Satan has been bound for a thousand years and the Millenium has occurred)---
the Judgment Seat of Christ is an entirely different event and takes place much earlier than the final judgment.

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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #4 on: Wed Apr 11, 2018 - 12:10:31 »
2Co 5:10  For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

When, and where does this occur?


At the judgment seat of Christ, believers are rewarded based on how faithfully they served Christ.

It occurs in heaven. Mainly it is for rewards, not shame. (for we have been forgiven)

It happens when believers die. 

Then we will meet Jesus and be perfected.

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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #5 on: Wed Apr 11, 2018 - 15:10:20 »
Larry----

When jesus returns the saints will be raptured and the Tribulation will begin.  During this period taking place on earth, the Judgment seat of Christ will
take place. the FINAL JUDGMENT will occur at the very end of time (after Satan has been bound for a thousand years and the Millenium has occurred)---
the Judgment Seat of Christ is an entirely different event and takes place much earlier than the final judgment.

The Judgment Seat of Christ [Bema] is not about going to heaven or hell.  That is decided at the point of death.  Nothing after death will or could change that decision.  The Bema is for all and is based upon how a person has lived and what he has said and done.  We are not really told what the results of that judgment session is; only that it will occur.

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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #6 on: Wed Apr 11, 2018 - 15:16:55 »
Some great answers so far, and agree with much I have heard in the past, and I’m purposefully not revealing my thinking on it as to keep from all just seeing it, possibly not agreeing, and giving no thought to it.

What if I add this following scripture to it?

1Pe 4:17  For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #7 on: Wed Apr 11, 2018 - 17:48:37 »
The Judgment Seat of Christ [Bema] is not about going to heaven or hell.  That is decided at the point of death.  Nothing after death will or could change that decision.  The Bema is for all and is based upon how a person has lived and what he has said and done.  We are not really told what the results of that judgment session is; only that it will occur.
I agree with this brother; this does concern our time we're here, but would say that we are told the results depending on our walk with Christ. Do you see anything concerning our spirituality that will change the reward we're to have?

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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #8 on: Wed Apr 11, 2018 - 18:08:37 »

When jesus returns the saints will be raptured and the Tribulation will begin. 
During this period taking place on earth, the Judgment seat of Christ will take place.
The FINAL JUDGMENT will occur at the very end of time (after Satan has been bound for a thousand years and the Millenium has occurred)---
The Judgment Seat of Christ is an entirely different event and takes place much earlier than the final judgment.


Agree entirely, and now all we have to do is identify it. Can we say :it is written?  ::smile::

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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #9 on: Wed Apr 11, 2018 - 18:25:40 »

At the judgment seat of Christ, believers are rewarded based on how faithfully they served Christ.

It occurs in heaven. Mainly it is for rewards, not shame. (for we have been forgiven)

Hi Sister @lea, I love this part of your reply. As far as the judgment seat itself, my thought is that it occurs as we follow the Spirit instead of the flesh told us in Rom 8:4, and is made manifest to us in scripture. Thanks for your reply.

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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #10 on: Thu Apr 12, 2018 - 06:44:16 »
I agree with this brother; this does concern our time we're here, but would say that we are told the results depending on our walk with Christ. Do you see anything concerning our spirituality that will change the reward we're to have?
I am not sure what you mean by "our spirituality".  What is that?

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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #11 on: Thu Apr 12, 2018 - 07:19:44 »
I am not sure what you mean by "our spirituality".  What is that?

I suppose I chose a poor word to express our spiritual walk with our Lord. Rom 8:4 says: Rom 8:4  That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us (by God - Php 2:13), who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

We are not saved by works of the law, but the bride has received her place of reward by her righteous (righteousness) works.
Rev 19:7  Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8  And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness (equitable deeds) of saints.

Her enduring (suffering) with Christ brings a special place. 2Ti 2:12  If we suffer, we shall also reign with him. (This is in opposition to deny Jesus that place in our lives.)

Thanks for bringing that up.


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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #12 on: Thu Apr 12, 2018 - 07:29:36 »
Do you see anything concerning our spirituality that will change the reward we're to have?
I believe that there will be various levels or degrees or gradations of standing within heaven.  I am certain that the apostles will receive a standing higher than mine in heaven.  I have no clue what that really means, because I really have no clue about anything in heaven.  And I can't have a clue.  I have no basis from this life in this physical universe to judge or evaluate life in the spiritual realm of heaven.

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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #13 on: Thu Apr 12, 2018 - 08:19:43 »
I believe that there will be various levels or degrees or gradations of standing within heaven.  I am certain that the apostles will receive a standing higher than mine in heaven.  I have no clue what that really means, because I really have no clue about anything in heaven.  And I can't have a clue.  I have no basis from this life in this physical universe to judge or evaluate life in the spiritual realm of heaven.

I’m sure all of us have no in depth knowledge of the things God has for us who love Him.
1Co 2:9  But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

When Paul was caught up into heaven with our risen Savior, he couldn’t even find words to describe what he saw. (It doesn’t mean that he was prohibited from telling us about it - there were not sufficient language to express it)
2Co 12:4  How that he (Paul) was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
 
Rev 7:13  And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev 7:14  And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15  Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and He (Jesus) that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. (Is this reward of being before the throne serving the same as that which the 24 elders have in proximity of being round bout Jesus’ throne reigning?)
Rev 5:10  And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. (They’ll actually reign over the earth from heaven)

There is consequence to our not allowing God to rule, and being in His perfect will for us, and the Judgment Seat presently in effect tells us what needs correcting.

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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #14 on: Thu Apr 12, 2018 - 08:31:53 »
the Judgment Seat presently in effect

???  ???  ???

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« Reply #15 on: Thu Apr 12, 2018 - 09:36:46 »
???  ???  ???

I didn't want to come right out and say what the ongoing judgment seat of Christ is without giving our brethren freedom to express different ideas I may not have heard of, and thus learn more.

I'll add this next tibbit of information given us, and that at this present time Jesus is walking among the churches.
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Rev 1:19  Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; (The things which are is the context of what John is describing of Jesus' ongoing judgment.)
Rev 1:20  The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

I hope this is beginning to make sense. Thanks for your replies.


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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #16 on: Thu Apr 12, 2018 - 13:48:20 »
larry2 said:
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There is consequence to our not allowing God to rule, and being in His perfect will for us, and the Judgment Seat presently in effect tells us what needs correcting.

I meditated on this for a while and it is possible that Paul meant "the judgment seat of Christ" for the believer's present tense or state.

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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #17 on: Thu Apr 12, 2018 - 14:27:57 »
larry2 said:
I meditated on this for a while and it is possible that Paul meant "the judgment seat of Christ" for the believer's present tense or state.

To me, that's good thinking. The thing about our walk in christ though is that both good and bad are judged. There are three different definitions of our will described in Rom 12:2.  And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

We're even told to not do some things for conscience sake such as obeying the rulers God puts in authority over us such as we read of in Romans Chapter Thirteen. Rom 13:5  Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. Those things affect our walk also.






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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #18 on: Thu Apr 12, 2018 - 16:08:31 »
I hope this is beginning to make sense.
Nope, but that is OK.

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« Reply #19 on: Thu Apr 12, 2018 - 17:45:21 »

I hope this is beginning to make sense. Thanks for your replies.

I’m sorry I’m not seeming to get the idea of what judgment is. I’ll just not waste any more time of what Jesus is doing at this present time.
Although Jesus has been given all authority and power in Mt 28:18, He is not yet sitting on His own throne He receives in Rev 4:2.  He is acting as our mediator, He is walking among the churches judging us who believe, and John is having that judgment shown him, and writing it to the seven pastors of the churches in Asia according to Rev 1:11.
The Judgment Seat is Jesus finding fault with five conditions of the Church, telling them what they lack in, and to repent. Only two conditions of the Church are commended, and that is Smyrna in Rev 2:10, ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Next is the church in Philadelphia. Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience (or patiently kept my word, and endure.), I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Does our walk with our Lord warrant such a warning as Ephesus received in Rev 2:4  . . . because thou hast left thy first love. (You used to put Christ first; what happened?)
Rev 2:5  Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent . . . And it goes on with the remaining four churches.

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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #20 on: Thu Apr 12, 2018 - 20:10:04 »
He is not yet sitting on His own throne He receives in Rev 4:2.
That is not true.


Jesus Christ is Lord
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This is fundamental Christian doctrine from the beginning. Peter testified to this truth when the Gospel was proclaimed at Pentecost;
Acts 2
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.


1 Corinthians 15
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

Also notice ".. at his coming. Then cometh the end .."

Philippians 2
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Not will be Lord, but is Lord.

Colossians 1
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

The Kingdom & reign of the Lord Jesus Christ is now for we are translated in to the Kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ upon redemption when we are chosen, adopted by God, to be the very Children of God through the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.




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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #21 on: Thu Apr 12, 2018 - 21:46:42 »
2Co 5:10  For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

When, and where does this occur?


2 Corinthians 5:10-11.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil. Therefore, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade others. But what we are is known to God, and I hope it is known also to your conscience.

This judgment is for all, not just believers. Note that after describing the judgment, Paul says this is why we know the fear of the Lord and why we persuade others (preaching the gospel).

I believe that saved people are saved from all sin and will not be held accountable for anything they have done wrong in the flesh. Note that 2 Cor 5:10 does not say that an accounting will be required of anybody. It just says that recompense for what has been done will take place.

I believe the faithful have already escaped condemnation in that Christ’s shed blood offers perfect sanctification to those who walk in Him (John 5:24; 6:39-40; 1 John 1:7). Likewise the unbelievers are condemned already because they do not believe in Jesus (John 3:18; 8:24). The return of Jesus is not to declare who is saved and lost, that is being determined as each individual accepts or rejects the gospel, rather it is to finally reveal and conclude that decision of each person.

Hebrews 9:26b-28.
But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

There will be a day when He will come, not to bear sins and offer forgiveness…that is for now, but apart from sin…to judge the world (John 5:26-29; 2 Timothy 4:1; Acts 17:30-31). By comparing 2 Corinthians 5:10 with other passages (Matthew 16:27; 25:31-46; John 5:28-29) it looks to me like Paul is talking about the judgment of all on the last day.

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« Reply #22 on: Thu Apr 12, 2018 - 22:00:25 »
I’m sorry I’m not seeming to get the idea of what judgment is. I’ll just not waste any more time of what Jesus is doing at this present time.
Although Jesus has been given all authority and power in Mt 28:18, He is not yet sitting on His own throne He receives in Rev 4:2. 

Read Revelation from chapter 4:1 through to 5:14, then tell me who is sitting on that throne. In addition, tell me who the Lamb is who is not sitting on the throne. ::reading::

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« Reply #23 on: Thu Apr 12, 2018 - 22:02:54 »
That is not true.


Jesus Christ is Lord
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etc., etc.


 ::nodding::  +1

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« Reply #24 on: Fri Apr 13, 2018 - 01:03:03 »

Although Jesus has been given all authority and power in Mt 28:18, He is not yet sitting on His own throne He receives in Rev 4:2.

Read Revelation from chapter 4:1 through to 5:14, then tell me who is sitting on that throne. In addition, tell me who the Lamb is who is not sitting on the throne. ::reading::

The scripture you bring to the table is of a future viewpoint of Jesus receiving His own throne.
Rev 4:1 ... I will shew thee things which must be hereafter... (what things)

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« Reply #25 on: Fri Apr 13, 2018 - 03:54:09 »
The scripture you bring to the table is of a future viewpoint of Jesus receiving His own throne.
Rev 4:1 ... I will shew thee things which must be hereafter... (what things)

Larry, you are applying the definition of 'hereafter' to mean exclusively 'the future'

KJV translators got the word correct & in the sense it is used adverbially & means; " after this : from now on" "starting from this time; in the future" why the synonyms to it are henceforth "from this point on" & henceforward meaning the same thing. It denotes a present then future, not exclusively future.

So what is present in what John is seeing? Obviously the present reign of Christ as repeatedly declared by scripture. Also confirmed by the very next chapter when we read about the prevailing, exaltation, & worship of the Lion of the Tribe of Judah (The Lord Jesus Christ). That is not an exclusively future event. It is the very thing Peter declared when he preached the Gospel at Pentecost; "God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ"

In that worship of Christ we also see exactly what Paul described in Phillippians 2 "9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Revelation 5
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Allow scripture to define scripture & the glass we look through darkly becomes much more clear.

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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #26 on: Fri Apr 13, 2018 - 04:22:10 »
Allow scripture to define scripture & the glass we look through darkly becomes much more clear.
Amen and very well stated.

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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #27 on: Fri Apr 13, 2018 - 04:34:42 »
Larry, you are applying the definition of 'hereafter' to mean exclusively 'the future'

KJV translators got the word correct & in the sense it is used adverbially & means; " after this : from now on" "starting from this time; in the future" why the synonyms to it are henceforth "from this point on" & henceforward meaning the same thing. It denotes a present then future, not exclusively future.

Didn't know what the Lord's Day was? If you did, your explanation above is correct. I have no idea where you get the idea that the word hereafter is not exclusive future.


So what is present in what John is seeing? Obviously the present reign of Christ as repeatedly declared by scripture.

Easy enough. It includes the entire Church Age, a term come to be known as dispensations. Like Israel given a bill of divorce in Jer 3:8, this present age ends with the collection of the saints to Jesus' very presence, and ends with Rev 3:16. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

The merging into the millennial age will begin with those who faithfully keep God's word, and endure until Jesus comes in the air for them to be in His presence. Rev 3:10  Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

What happens next? Stayed tuned.




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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #28 on: Fri Apr 13, 2018 - 04:44:02 »
I have no idea where you get the idea that the word hereafter is not exclusive future.


Dictionaries for one.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/hereafter#dataset-british
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hereafter
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/henceforth
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/hereafter

Continuity of Scripture as well.
(cited above)

Thirdly, that the Greek agrees with the correct translation & meaning
http://biblehub.com/text/revelation/4-1.htm

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« Reply #29 on: Fri Apr 13, 2018 - 04:56:39 »
Dictionaries for one.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/hereafter#dataset-british
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hereafter
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/henceforth
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/hereafter

Continuity of Scripture as well.
(cited above)

Thirdly, that the Greek agrees with the correct translation & meaning
http://biblehub.com/text/revelation/4-1.htm


Ya got me grammatically partner. In the terms I read the word "Hereafter" will be assigned to the time after the Lord's Day begins.

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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #30 on: Fri Apr 13, 2018 - 05:19:15 »
In the terms I read the word "Hereafter" will be assigned to the time after the Lord's Day begins.


I know. In order to make scripture fit the doctrine you were taught you must read it that way.

Dispensationalism is full of grammatical, context, & scriptural continuity contradictions like that.  Which is why you assign time after the Lord's Day. The Lord's Day is the Last Day, yet your doctrine assigns 365,000 more days after the Last Day.

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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #31 on: Fri Apr 13, 2018 - 06:30:25 »

The Lord's Day is the Last Day.

Yeah that sure sounds right.  ::smile:: And so John is shown all these things he writes hereafter from the last day, or is it something? You're beginning to sound preterist Is this what they're taught?

Let's see, after the Last Day . . . (We can use the word "Last" as final instead of something past can't we?).

Does this work? Hereafter, God will have John write the size of an army that came two thousand years ago so that we can preserve a history of the last Day.

Rev 9:15  And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
Rev 9:16  And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand (200,000,000 to kill : and I heard the number of them.

That is sort of strange isn’t it? The entire world population at the birth of Jesus is estimated at three hundred million. That means that two hundred million rode two hundred horses to kill the remaining one hundred existing people living on the Last Day. (Rev 9:16-17)

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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #32 on: Fri Apr 13, 2018 - 06:55:11 »
Yeah that sure sounds right.  ::smile:: And so John is shown all these things he writes hereafter from the last day, or is it something? You're beginning to sound preterist Is this what they're taught?

Definitely not a preterist. Preterist think the Last Day came in 70AD.


Let's see, after the Last Day . . . (We can use the word "Last" as final instead of something past can't we?).

I use the Last Day in the exact sense Jesus & Martha use it.

John 11
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day

(Going to cite the rest of Martha's testimony because I love it so.)
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? 27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

John 6
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 12
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day


I believe Jesus.

It is also in Revelation revealed in the fulfillment of our blessed hope.

Revelation 21
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 2 3And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

No night.

Revelation 22
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. 5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.


Night divides the days just as it is illustrated in Genesis one.


With no night there is only one eternal glorious day. The Last Day. Eternity in the new heavens & new earth is the Last Day.


Which begins in darkness, the last night, then the Light comes beggining the Last Day. "24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.  26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."  & is the Great Day of God Almighty (Revelation 16). Which is also the great day of the wrath of the Lamb "16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" (Revelation 6)






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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #33 on: Fri Apr 13, 2018 - 07:26:02 »

I use the Last Day in the exact sense Jesus & Martha use it.

John 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day

With no night there is only one eternal glorious day. The Last Day. Eternity in the new heavens & new earth is the Last Day.

And so do you believe that John was caught backward to the Lord's Day, which I take you to say was the last Day, and there shown all the wrath of God to be poured out on unbelieving humanity the new heaven and earth?

Is there a name of the church you may attend that teachs this, or was it done away with on the last day?

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Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Reply #34 on: Fri Apr 13, 2018 - 07:57:01 »
And so do you believe that John was caught backward to the Lord's Day, which I take you to say was the last Day, and there shown all the wrath of God to be poured out on unbelieving humanity the new heaven and earth?

Is there a name of the church you may attend that teachs this, or was it done away with on the last day?

Why would "John be caught backward to the Lord's Day"? That makes no sense.


Did John see the Great Day of God Almighty? yes
Did John see the new heaven & new earth? yes.
Did John see the day with no night? yes.

I don't think it is very difficult. It is as Jesus taught. He is coming back. Then for this world, the works of this world, & the wicked, it's "that's all folks".

I think the Apostle Peter summed up what the Lord Jesus Christ taught him quite succinctly:

"10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."





 

     
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