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The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« on: Tue Apr 21, 2020 - 14:04:06 »
Edit: I still do not believe the mark of the beast is a physical mark that is visible on ones body but exactly what it is I do not know for sure. Please do your own research and let God teach you.



The mark of the beast, is not a literal physical mark.
Just as the seal of God (Revelation 7:3) is not a physical mark on the people of God.

That seal we understood as spiritual, in the faith and in
the character; this evil brand we must interpret in like manner, being also
a spiritual mark.

You cannot receive the seal of God without your willingness to serve the Lord and keep His commandments.
Nor can you receive this mark of the beast without willingness to do its commandments and taking an active role
in fighting against God and His saints. A mark that must be spiritually discerned.
(read the Holy Bible and keep God's commandments
and precepts and you will gain this discernment by knowing right from wrong)

There is much fear surrounding this doctrine where there needs not be.
Nobody can unknowingly receive this mark. Those who receive this mark, are made partakers
of the benefits of the beast's spiritual dominion. But by becoming willing servants unto Satan
and his spiritual dominion, have sadly, guaranteed their place in the lake of fire.
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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #1 on: Tue Apr 21, 2020 - 16:49:23 »
The mark of the beast, is not a literal physical mark.
Just as the seal of God (Revelation 7:3) is not a physical mark on the people of God.

  Yes, it WILL BE. it'll most likely be an implanted microchip, as Scripture says it'll be on the right hand or forehead. And the seal of God will likely be something physical as well.

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That seal we understood as spiritual, in the faith and in
the character; this evil brand we must interpret in like manner, being also
a spiritual mark.[/quote[

  With all due respect, that does not follow the context of Scripture.

You cannot receive the seal of God without your willingness to serve the Lord and keep His commandments.
Nor can you receive this mark of the beast without willingness to do its commandments and taking an active role
in fighting against God and His saints. A mark that must be spiritually discerned.
(read the Holy Bible and keep God's commandments
and precepts and you will gain this discernment by knowing right from wrong)

There is much fear surrounding this doctrine where there needs not be.
Nobody can unknowingly receive this mark. Those who receive this mark, are made partakers
of the benefits of the beast's spiritual dominion. But by becoming willing servants unto Satan
and his spiritual dominion, have sadly, guaranteed their place in the lake of fire.

  The tech exists right now for such a PHYSICAL mark - an implantable microchip. However, most people now reject it, believing it to be the marka the beast.

  Once the antichrist is in power, the rapture will occur. Then, there'll be little opposition to that "mark", which the antichrist will hype as being loss-proof & theft-proof. Then, his sidekick the false prophet will make it COMPULSORY, replacing cash & plastic cards, while at the same time, seeking to suppress all trade & barter.

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #2 on: Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 14:58:41 »
Again, robycop misses God's Spiritual Kingdom NOW!  It's a pity

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #3 on: Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 17:11:43 »
Again, robycop misses God's Spiritual Kingdom NOW!  It's a pity

  Not at all. Its King, Jesus. isn't yet physically here.

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #4 on: Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 18:02:59 »
  Not at all. Its King, Jesus. isn't yet physically here.

R..i...g...h..t. -  Who believes ending with the flesh? Pharisees sound familiar?

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #5 on: Sun Apr 26, 2020 - 07:14:25 »
R..i...g...h..t. -  Who believes ending with the flesh? Pharisees sound familiar?

 Seen King Jesus lately? Remember, he said He will be seen by ALL when He returns.

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #6 on: Sun Apr 26, 2020 - 08:23:40 »


That seal we understood as spiritual, in the faith and in
the character; this evil brand we must interpret in like manner, being also
a spiritual mark.

Nor can you receive this mark of the beast without willingness to do its commandments and taking an active role
in fighting against God and His saints. A mark that must be spiritually discerned.
(read the Holy Bible and keep God's commandments
and precepts and you will gain this discernment by knowing right from wrong)

 

WHOA.  Wait a minute Nellie.

You, from first moment on here have preached and screeched "read the Holy Bible and keep God's commandments"

Are you now discounting parts of the Hole Word? Are you picking and choosing what to believe?

We are clearly told In Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

There are people on GC from time to time that cannot discern a true believer or the truth much less those in the world who supply the things we need for daily survival. Do YOU really believe that the merchants of this earth will just spiritually know who they can sell to?

There are many. They are legion who will not knowingly be able to discern which side anyone is on because they have been lost their entire lives , yet they are those who serve you every day in your life if you are anything other then a hermit.
The unbelievers in anything, the agnostics, the atheists and all who have never made a conscious choice on which side of the table to sit. They will simply be used as pawns and they will have no understanding of how to detect when they get their marching orders to deny you, me and all who place their faith in the Blood of Jesus.

You also said

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Nobody can unknowingly receive this mark.

People can be deceived .

Did not Mathew tell us

Matthew 24
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

This can and will apply to the mark of the beast.

Right now we have had many who want a microchip place into their children... like we do dogs... so in case they go missing they can be tracked. Is this a bad idea with all the child porn and human trafficking going on? So easily this idea could be sold to parents who want to protect their children. And if we do can we know what it might mean in the future?

Right now we have Bill Gates who has been working to create , not a tattoo but an implant into people under the guise of being able to know that persons inoculations by use of a scanner over the area. Actually it IS created but not used... YET.
He is also one who has 7 studies in the works to fast track a corona virus inoculation.

Can we know for certain that if we get inoculated that he wont have "his" whatever implanted in us.... and if we do can we know what it might mean in the future?

There is an organization you may or may not have heard of that admittedly often has an extreme conspiracy outlook on things.

Look at this one.... and then guarantee us that this could not, and will not happen.

https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/nteb-prophecy-news-podcast-global-vaccinations-covid-19-immunity-passport-id2020/[/size]


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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #7 on: Mon Apr 27, 2020 - 08:42:46 »
  Recently, a company offered its employees an implanted microchip in their hands which would enable them to open their offices' electronic locks insteada using a card. Those people almost all refused it, calling it the marka the beast.

  But that attitude will change as microchips become more sophisticated. They'll be hyped as loss-proof & theft-proof. When the rapture occurs, there'll be little opposition left, & the antichrist's govt. will make them compulsory.

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #8 on: Mon Apr 27, 2020 - 19:05:55 »
Seen King Jesus lately? Remember, he said He will be seen by ALL when He returns.
Why do I need to literally see Jesus now?  He's promised me long life and salvation.

Get it?!

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #9 on: Tue Apr 28, 2020 - 05:11:12 »
The mark of the beast, is not a literal physical mark.
Very reluctant to post where you have started since you very seldom contribute after you start a thread. I learned long ago, that believing a doctrine takes little or no skill/ability~ defending a doctrine which a person said that they believe takes much more of a gift/skill~to defend it in order to shut the mouths of gainsayers takes a spiritually gifted person filled with the Spirit of God which few truly are.

Said that to say this~it seems to me that most of what you post is copied and pasted, which is fine and see no problem in that, but you should make sure that you can defend what you are posting, or not do so, or, at least be honest enough to tell others that you believe this, but are not able to defend the same. After all, that would put you into the majority of the professors of the Christian camps.

I agree with your first point that the mark of the beast is not a literal mark, but strickly a spiritual mark obvious to Spirit-filled saints.
Quote from:  BlessedCreator on: Tue Apr 21, 2020 - 14:04:06
Just as the seal of God (Revelation 7:3) is not a physical mark on the people of God.
Agreed, but "convincing" to Spirit-filled saints.
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That seal we understood as spiritual, in the faith and in the character; this evil brand we must interpret in like manner, being also a spiritual mark.
Agreed
Quote from: BlessedCreator on: Tue Apr 21, 2020 - 14:04:06
You cannot receive the seal of God without your willingness to serve the Lord and keep His commandments. Nor can you receive this mark of the beast without willingness to do its commandments and taking an active role in fighting against God and His saints. A mark that must be spiritually discerned. (read the Holy Bible and keep God's commandments and precepts and you will gain this discernment by knowing right from wrong)
This is wrong~the seal of God is FREELY GIVEN without your participation or even KNOWING that it took place! It takes place in the new birth when one is born of the Spirit of God~AT THAT POINT God's children are seal with that holy Spirit of promise UNTIL the day of redemption of our bodies.
Quote from: Paul
Ephesians 1:13,14~"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."
You added:
Quote from: BlessedCreator on: Tue Apr 21, 2020 - 14:04:06
Nobody can unknowingly receive this mark. Those who receive this mark, are made partakers of the benefits of the beast's spiritual dominion. But by becoming willing servants unto Satan and his spiritual dominion, have sadly, guaranteed their place in the lake of fire.
You very wrong in believing that NO ONE can unknowingly receive this mark~actual EVERYONE unknowingly has received this mark! They are born with it! Only by the mercy and grace of God can one be delivered from it! It is called HUMAN DEPRAVITY! a bible truth/doctrine that most hate and reject. The key to understanding the mark of the beast is seen here as among other places in the scriptures.
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Zachariah 13:6-9~"And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones. And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.
What is TWO PART of a whole? 666, these are they that shall be cut off and perish in the lake of fire. What is one-third of a whole? A small remnant of that whole. These shall call upon the name of the LORD and God will hear them: and he will say, "It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God". Selah
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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #10 on: Tue Apr 28, 2020 - 06:10:08 »
Why do I need to literally see Jesus now?  He's promised me long life and salvation.

Get it?!

  Why ? Because He said so !

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #11 on: Fri May 08, 2020 - 19:01:18 »
The mark of the beast, is not a literal physical mark.
Just as the seal of God (Revelation 7:3) is not a physical mark on the people of God.

That seal we understood as spiritual, in the faith and in
the character; this evil brand we must interpret in like manner, being also
a spiritual mark.

You cannot receive the seal of God without your willingness to serve the Lord and keep His commandments.
Nor can you receive this mark of the beast without willingness to do its commandments and taking an active role
in fighting against God and His saints. A mark that must be spiritually discerned.
(read the Holy Bible and keep God's commandments
and precepts and you will gain this discernment by knowing right from wrong)

There is much fear surrounding this doctrine where there needs not be.
Nobody can unknowingly receive this mark. Those who receive this mark, are made partakers
of the benefits of the beast's spiritual dominion. But by becoming willing servants unto Satan
and his spiritual dominion, have sadly, guaranteed their place in the lake of fire.
Most everybody on this forum already has the mark of the beast.

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« Reply #12 on: Fri May 08, 2020 - 19:38:33 »


 

I agree with your first point that the mark of the beast is not a literal mark, but strickly a spiritual mark obvious to Spirit-filled saints.scriptures.

In your King James Version of the bible it says.......

Revelation 13:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Please explain how a spiritual mark can be in only a right hand or forehead?

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #13 on: Fri May 08, 2020 - 19:41:04 »
Most everybody on this forum already has the mark of the beast.

With most everyone on this forum doomed in eternity, if this is so....
what are you doing here.

It cannot be undone.

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« Reply #14 on: Fri May 08, 2020 - 19:46:52 »
With most everyone on this forum doomed in eternity, if this is so....
what are you doing here.

It cannot be undone.
What makes you think it can’t be undone?

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« Reply #15 on: Sat May 09, 2020 - 05:20:37 »
In your King James Version of the bible it says.......

Revelation 13:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Please explain how a spiritual mark can be in only a right hand or forehead?


Sorry that I have missed seeing this, thereby I have not replied back to your questions, not because I have no answer for once I explained this to you, you should be able to see it very clearly.
Quote from: Rella Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 19:38:33
Please explain how a spiritual mark can be in only a right hand or forehead?
Rella, the mark on the right hand, simply means that those men and women that are able to move FREELY within the APOSTATE CHURCH of the latter days of the LAST DAYS, are in FELLOWSHIP with each other as far as worshiping the spirit of antichrist one that opposes the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

Example from the word of God:
Quote from: Paul
Galatinas 2:9,10~"And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do."
The embracing of the right hand between folks in religion~is a sign of AGREEMENT AND FELLOWSHIP of the SAME GOSPEL, as it were between the holy apostles of the church in the beginning~they certainly would NOT give the same hand sake to false prophets, now would they?

Now concerning the mark of the forehead. As for the forehead, it is where the mind is, and is illustrative of man's thinking. By giving us spiritual images of believers with the name of God written in their foreheads, it is revealed their minds are sealed in Christ Jesus so that their thoughts become one with his. Believers all have one mind as they are all sealed or secured of the Spirit in Christ.
Quote from: Paul
Romans 15:6~"That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Again:
Quote from: Paul
1st Corinthians 2:16~"For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."
Believer's having the name of God written in their foreheads are illustrative of a people who are of one Spirit where God is guiding them in their will and in their thinking. It is the fulfilling of Old Covenant prophecy.
Quote from: The HOLY GHOST
Hebrews 10:16~"This is the Covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will write My law into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them."
No one would look at Hebrews 10:16 and even begin to think that God means that He's literally written Scripture on someone's heart, or that He has literally carved laws on our foreheads or in our minds. Because of the Spirit we readily understand its imagery or a spiritual metaphor illustrating our spiritual nature. And yet, some theologians will take the verse in Revelation chapter 13, which is an even more obviously symbolic and spiritual book, and try and force the name or number of the non-literal beast, to be literally something marked in one's forehead. And ironically, usually, all while looking at the beast, it's horns, and it's rising from the earth and sea, as symbolic. There is no scriptural justification for this type of interpreting. Not in the context, content, or character of the chapter can we "read into" Scripture such ideas. The mark is no more talking about a literal mark, than Hebrews 10:16 is talking about literal marks of Scripture written upon our hearts or passages scribbled in our minds. It is mere symbolism that we are sealed with God's Spirit in our minds (2 Corinthians 1:22, Ephesians 4:30, Revelation 7:3), that we have an earnest desire to obey God's laws and do His will by our hand. It is by the Spirit ingrained upon our hearts and minds that we will and do.
Quote from: Paul
2nd Timothy 1:7~"For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."
Quote from: Paul
Philippians 2:13~"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."
All true believers have the spirit of a sound mind, the one mind in Christ Jesus. The name of Christ is the word of God, and that is what is spiritually sealed within our minds that we would obey and work and do.

By the same token, those who are deceived by the spirit of Satan also have the same mind and purpose in life. But instead of the mind of lawfulness, they have the mind of lawlessness once they have given themselves over to a false system of worshipping. Their desire is not to do the will of God, but to be disobedient and do the will of their father, the Devil. Even though the very ones given over to this spirit of antichrist are so blinded they truly think they are serving God, Jesus Christ, and following the scriptures! A STRONG DELUSION has been given to them by God by LEAVING THEM TO THEIR OWN SINFUL LUST just as God did to Pharaoh of old.
Quote from: Paul
Ephesians 2:2-3~"Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."
Jesus told the Scribes and Pharisees that their mind was defiled because they were of their father, the Devil. Why? Because the mind of the people of Israel was given over to that prince or ruler, Satan. Spiritually speaking, he had become their king and held them in bondage (John 8:36). In this same fashion, when the church falls into the apostasy illustrated in Revelation chapter 13, these also will be brought into bondage by Satan. And as the true believers are sealed in their foreheads to signify they are all of one mind in the Spirit of Christ, so these will be spiritually marked in their forehead signifying that they are all of one mind in the spirit of antichrist. Indeed, as it is written:
Quote from: The HOLY GHOST
Revelation 17:13~"These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast."
One mind, one spiritual father, one character of the beast. Collectively, we have either the mind of Christ, or the mind of Satan. And those who fall away are spiritually defiled. The same type of illustration as found in Titus, where it speaks about the mind of the unrighteous being defiled.
Quote from: Paul
Titus 1:15~"Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled".

This is what the mark on the forehead symbolized. That their mind is defiled and they are all of one spirit to give their hand in work for the beast's kingdom. So again, the mark of the Beast in man's hand and forehead is not a carnal or fleshly mark, rather it is the mark of the flesh, or of carnality. For the carnal mind is illustrated in the will of the flesh. The mind being marked signifies carnal thinking, and the hand signifies the will of the flesh in agreement on the same gospel. The mark is a token of the nature of disobedience and signifies that one does not have the Spirit of God, but is sold out to the flesh. And one who has the mark of the beast in his head, has the sign of death upon him.
Quote from: Paul
Romans 8:5-8"For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God."
How can we answer the question, "What is the mark of the beast?" We answer that it is the carnal mind, the mind spiritually marked of the beast that has deceived them that they take on his character and do his will. Their hand is to serve in his kingdom to the same gospel, rather than in Christ's. And in this same cryptic fashion, Revelation 17:5 talks about the Harlot with a name written on her forehead saying "Mystery Babylon, the Great, the Mother of harlots, and abominations of the earth." Is this a literal woman with literal writing in her forehead? Again, not at all. It is symbolic language signifying a fallen spiritual city that outside looks rich and true, but inside is abominations and filth. To look for a literal woman with a name literally marked in her forehead would be foolishness. Yet this type of unsound hermeneutic is routinely practiced by many theologians in Revelation. But in these cryptic images we see battle against the one true God, and the images of the god of this world. One Kingdom of the Lamb, with the man of law serving God, and the other is the kingdom of the beast, with the man of lawlessness (sin) serving Satan. Images of the Christ, and of the false Christ.

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #16 on: Sat May 09, 2020 - 14:04:37 »
What makes you think it can’t be undone?

Rev 14:
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God
, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

The eternal destiny of those who take the mark of the beast is the lake of fire.

Why is taking the mark of the beast a damnable sin against God?

Why would God condemn a person to hell for taking the mark of the beast?

Simply because taking the mark of the beast will be a blasphemous act of willful defiance against God.

Beyond simply receiving the mark of the beast it is essentially worshiping Satan. Those who take the mark have made the choice to serve Satan rather than obey God and receive Christ as Savior.

It is our free will that allows us to serve ourselves by whatever means we feel is needed to survive in this world... However, when people make that decision God will grant their request to be eternally separated from Him.

So thank you very much for letting us know we are in very deep trouble. But I suspect if we are,you are too.

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #17 on: Sat May 09, 2020 - 14:16:52 »
Sorry that I have missed seeing this, thereby I have not replied back to your questions, not because I have no answer for once I explained this to you, you should be able to see it very clearly. Rella, the mark on the right hand, simply means that those men and women that are able to move FREELY within the APOSTATE CHURCH of the latter days of the LAST DAYS, are in FELLOWSHIP with each other as far as worshiping the spirit of antichrist one that opposes the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

Example from the word of God:The embracing of the right hand between folks in religion~is a sign of AGREEMENT AND FELLOWSHIP of the SAME GOSPEL, as it were between the holy apostles of the church in the beginning~they certainly would NOT give the same hand sake to false prophets, now would they?



 

Actually I do know that this is what you understand. And I am addressing only the right hand portion of things, for the moment.

And to a certain ,very limited extent acknowledge there is a hint of truth within your stated paragraph. But IMO not relating to what we commonly refer to as the Mark of the Beast

While I see what your are saying to the extent of hand shakes. And as a sign of agreement within a given religious community  and certainly needs to be acknowledged as such it cannot be ignored that through out the centuries the extended hand had been offered and accepted by men for agreements extending well beyond that of the shared faith of like believers.

Many a time,in days of old and when I was young all it took was a handshake.
And that sufficed until the forced legalities of life made everything into the need for a "written" signed contract.

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Example from the word of God:The embracing of the right hand bertween folks in religion~is a sign of AGREEMENT AND FELLOWSHIP of the SAME GOSPEL, as it were between the holy apostles of the church in the beginning~they certainly would NOT give the same hand sake to false prophets, now would they?

NO, not in terms of shared religious beliefs.

But as I have explained above.... for centuries that right hand was a binding contract between Christian,Jew, and Pagan . It is how business was done.
Business. Not bible meetings, or going to Temple, or wandering around a cauldron.... Business....

The kind of business that is referenced in Rev 13:17

Read carefully REV 13 :15-17

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

If you consider what Rob said above.... he may well be  right and if you consider what you suggest is of a mind set... He could be.

Then we all are doomed. Because once we take it we cannot undo it.

There will be a mark of the beast or his name or the number of his name.

There is no way that a merchant will know without some way to see or scan
for identification.

If not marked ,then how will those doing the selling know you are one of theirs to sell you the food you want,or whatever. Perhaps by secret handshake?
Or need you declare an oath as you enter a store?

YOU simply cannot prove by way of the bible anything else..

Opting to believe what "makes sense" to you does not make it so.

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #18 on: Sat May 09, 2020 - 19:29:07 »
Rev 14:
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God
, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

The eternal destiny of those who take the mark of the beast is the lake of fire.

Why is taking the mark of the beast a damnable sin against God?

Why would God condemn a person to hell for taking the mark of the beast?

Simply because taking the mark of the beast will be a blasphemous act of willful defiance against God.

Beyond simply receiving the mark of the beast it is essentially worshiping Satan. Those who take the mark have made the choice to serve Satan rather than obey God and receive Christ as Savior.

It is our free will that allows us to serve ourselves by whatever means we feel is needed to survive in this world... However, when people make that decision God will grant their request to be eternally separated from Him.

So thank you very much for letting us know we are in very deep trouble. But I suspect if we are,you are too.
I never said anyone was in deep trouble I said almost everyone has the mark of the beast. I would ask that you read the verse you quoted very carefully.

Rev 14:9 (KJV)  And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Notice that the verse DOESN’T SAY “If any man worship the beast OR his image OR receive his mark...”.

Anyone who doesn’t have the mark of the beast understands that it takes all three of those, worshipping the beast AND worshipping his image AND receiving his mark.

My language isn’t meant to be condescending, it’s meant to prove the point I’m trying to make. ????

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #19 on: Sun May 10, 2020 - 12:48:34 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLVEm6oF7dA

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #20 on: Sun May 10, 2020 - 15:55:15 »


Rev 14:9 (KJV)  And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,


Anyone who doesn’t have the mark of the beast understands that it takes all three of those, worshipping the beast AND worshipping his image AND receiving his mark.


Back yourself up a chapter and you will find your OR.

Rev 13 ...
Revelation 13:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Admittedly this is from KJV, and I have not checked all translations yet... but I shall.

And I will again say, based on what you said and based on KJV 13:17... weallmust be headed for hell in a handbasket.

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #21 on: Sun May 10, 2020 - 16:41:31 »

No Rella, not everybody. Even the heathen are more intelligent here and don't believe it!

For Christians, the mark only happens to futurists!!  ::crackup::

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #22 on: Sun May 10, 2020 - 17:10:20 »
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  No, but the tech for it is - implantable microchips.

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #23 on: Sun May 10, 2020 - 17:13:24 »
Back yourself up a chapter and you will find your OR.

Rev 13 ...
Revelation 13:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Admittedly this is from KJV, and I have not checked all translations yet... but I shall.

And I will again say, based on what you said and based on KJV 13:17... weallmust be headed for hell in a handbasket.

  It's pretty well the same in all valid translations. (I don't use the KJV much at all.)

  Preterists just can't accept the plain Scriptural language. I'm almost certain the mark will be an implantable microchip, readable/alterable by scanner. It'll replace cash & plastic cards.

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #24 on: Sun May 10, 2020 - 17:57:14 »
  It's pretty well the same in all valid translations. (I don't use the KJV much at all.)

  Preterists just can't accept the plain Scriptural language. I'm almost certain the mark will be an implantable microchip, readable/alterable by scanner. It'll replace cash & plastic cards.

I use KJ here only because there are so many that will only accept it.

I agree about the mark. And I know that the technology is ready.

Bill Gates seems to want something implanted under the guise of being able to know which inoculations you have. And hes indicated that an inoculation for this Covid thing should incorporate that.

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #25 on: Mon May 11, 2020 - 05:09:58 »
  And it's just a matter of time before employers will be able to pay employees by adding credits to their implanted microchips, & retailers will be able to electronically subtract an item's price from that chip.

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #26 on: Mon May 11, 2020 - 05:25:08 »
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Amo, not almost here, but has been here since the fall of man! The mark of the beast is human depravity.

It truly amazes me how most all in religion are more guided by the WORLD'S NEWS and what others think instead of living by every word of God and trusting the scriptures ALONE for their understanding of BIBLE DOCTRINES! And your faith (SDA) are in a constant battle with the RCC/EOC over "Sola Scriptura" and rightly so, yet you also missed the mark on that very doctrine you oppose them over!

Amo, does this scripture mean anything to you in coming to a TRUE BIBLICAL understanding of the mark of the beast?
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Zachariah 13:6-9~"And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones. And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.
The TWO PARTS of any whole =666 with a small remnant left over.  Who cares what Bill Gates and others desire, I surely do not and God even much less.

The book of Zachariah is a great book that will help us to understand the Revelation of Jesus Christ that John wrote about. Maybe an outline of some of Zachariah's teachings is needed when dealing with the book of Revelation. Let me see what we can do to deeper discuss such things. Zachariah was the prophet that Jesus said was killed between the temple and the altar by evil and wicked children of the Devil who were religionist men who opposed the TRUTH.
Quote from: THE HOLY GHOST
Matthew 23:35,36~"That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation."
THIS GENERATION meaning the very generation of serpents that Jesus was rebuking for their hatred of the truth YET, been seemly pious toward it! The SAME GENERATION of evil men that killed Zachariah ALSO killed Jesus, and all of God's wrath will fall upon those evil and wicked men who had the MARK OF THE BEAST and that mark was EVIL and wicked toward TRUTH! The mark of the beast, OR, the MYSTERY of INIQUITY has worked since the VERY SECOND Adam sinned and sin entered into the world THROUGH the first Adam. This mystery of iniquity will INCREASE GREATLY toward the coming of Jesus Christ and the end of this world as we know it. That very truth is what Daniel, Zachariah, Christ, Paul, and John all wrote about and warned us of. Selah

Question for any person to answer: "Who killed Abel, Zachariah, Jesus, and all other RIGHTEOUS BLOOD shed in this earth since the beginning up until now"?

Hint~the SAME PEOPLE belonging to the SAME FAMILY having the SAME father!

Truly, there is only TWO generations of people living in this world and no more.  Anyone care to answer?
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"Who killed Abel, Zachariah, Jesus, and all other RIGHTEOUS BLOOD shed in this earth since the beginning up until now"?
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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #27 on: Mon May 11, 2020 - 06:45:18 »
Back yourself up a chapter and you will find your OR.

Rev 13 ...
Revelation 13:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Admittedly this is from KJV, and I have not checked all translations yet... but I shall.

And I will again say, based on what you said and based on KJV 13:17... weallmust be headed for hell in a handbasket.
The "or" in that verse applies to buying or selling, not eternal damnation. Can you see why "or" was used here but "and" was used in the other place? If you have the mark or if you have the name of beast, or if you have the number of his name, YOU WILL buy the harlots goods.

Rev 13:16  And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 
Rev 13:17  And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.



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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #28 on: Mon May 11, 2020 - 07:46:34 »
There are two points that all of you are missing.

For #1, this torment in the Lake of Fire / Second Death for all those who received the mark was to be experienced while there were still cycles of day and night taking place for them (“they have no rest day or night...”).  Meaning this can’t really be describing a torment after death for them.  It’s torment going on from day to day while they are still living on this earth.

And #2, this torment of those receiving the mark was to be experienced in the direct view, and in the eyesight of “holy angels” (holy messengers, which can be either human or celestial messengers) and IN THE VERY PRESENCE of the Lamb Himself.  The word used in Greek is “enopion”, which carries the connotation of a face-to-face encounter while this torment is going on.  Meaning Christ was to be there face-to-face, and BODILY PRESENT with those tormented receivers of the mark.

We need to readjust our understanding of what torment is being experienced here in Rev. 14:9-11.   It is NOT the kind described in the classic sermon by Edwards, “Sinners in the hand of an angry God”.  He had no clue.
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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #29 on: Mon May 11, 2020 - 08:26:50 »
Quote from: JESUS CHRIST
Matthew 23:35,36~"That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation."
Please note: "whom YE slew! How could that be so when the very people Jesus was speaking to were not as of yet born? Was Jesus deceived by making such a statement to the scribes and Pharisees, and other false cults in Israel in Jesus' day? Or, was he speaking of the SAME generation of people that killed Abel, and all righteous people since then up until then? Referred to in the holy scriptures as "THIS" generation..... meaning the evil and wicked generation of the children of the old serpent, the Devil himself. This generation will NEVER pass until all be fulfilled that is written, including Jesus' second coming~and then shall the wicked be destroyed and perish forever in the lake of fire, WHICH IS the SECOND and FINAL death of the wicked.

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #30 on: Mon May 11, 2020 - 08:38:55 »
There are two points that all of you are missing.

For #1, this torment in the Lake of Fire / Second Death for all those who received the mark was to be experienced while there were still cycles of day and night taking place for them (“they have no rest day or night...”).  Meaning this can’t really be describing a torment after death for them.  It’s torment going on from day to day while they are still living on this earth.

How do you reconcile the "day and night for ever and ever" in Revelation 20:10?

Rev_20:10  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #31 on: Mon May 11, 2020 - 10:30:57 »
Hi Rob,

I reconcile this by realizing that when scripture says “for ever”, this does not necessarily require that in every case it is describing a PERPETUAL reality extending into infinity.  One example of this is found in Isaiah 32:13-15.  Speaking of the land of God’s people who would soon experience judgment, Isaiah says, “Upon the land of my people shall come up thorns and briars; yea, upon all the houses of joy in the joyous city: because  the palaces shall be forsaken; the multitude of the city shall be left; the forts and towers shall be dens FOR EVER, a joy of wild asses, a pasture of flocks; UNTIL the spirit be poured on us from on high, and the wilderness be a fruitful field, and the fruitful field be counted for a forest.”

Here, the word “FOREVER” would last continually (actually 70 years of exile for God’s people in real time) “UNTIL” the spirit would change the situation for the land of God’s people.  So this verse permits a cessation of a so-called “forever” condition - it is NOT perpetual in this case.

Just so with the restless day and night torment of those living on earth who had been caused to receive this mark of the Beast.  Literally, in the Interlinear it reads “And the smoke of their torment goes up to AGES OF AGES”.  An “age” is not a perpetual condition.  An “age” by its very definition has both a beginning AND AN ENDING POINT.

This torment from receiving this mark was experienced for a good number of years, which in real time lasted from 19 BC until AD 66 while Israel’s priesthood was requiring the use of the forbidden pagan images on their own minted copies of the Tyrian shekel for any transactions taking place in the temple.  An obligatory, irritating surcharge tax was imposed on every exchange of foreign currency for this single, priesthood-approved coinage that was the only one accepted for buying and selling in the temple, and for paying the annual Temple Tax.

If an “age” has an ending point, then that also meant  that Satan’s torment “to the ages of the ages” had an ending point in that Lake of Fire.  After this torment lasting up to the end of those particular ages, Satan was scheduled for utter destruction.  Satan described as the “Dragon” was going to be “SLAIN” by God’s great and strong sword, as Isaiah 27:1 predicted.  God gave a promise to this “anointed cherub” / Satan that He was going to reduce him to literal “ASHES UPON THE EARTH” by bringing fire out of the midst of this creature that would “DEVOUR” him.  As a result, God said that “NEVER SHALT THOU EXIST ANYMORE” (Isaiah 28:18-19).  Doesn’t sound to me as if Satan would be tossing in flames perpetually for eternity.


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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #32 on: Mon May 11, 2020 - 14:39:35 »
Please note: "whom YE slew! How could that be so when the very people Jesus was speaking to were not as of yet born? Was Jesus deceived by making such a statement to the scribes and Pharisees, and other false cults in Israel in Jesus' day? Or, was he speaking of the SAME generation of people that killed Abel, and all righteous people since then up until then? Referred to in the holy scriptures as "THIS" generation..... meaning the evil and wicked generation of the children of the old serpent, the Devil himself. This generation will NEVER pass until all be fulfilled that is written, including Jesus' second coming~and then shall the wicked be destroyed and perish forever in the lake of fire, WHICH IS the SECOND and FINAL death of the wicked.

They passed ::cryingtears::
Jesus wasn't speaking about some generation in the future.  Read more of Matt.23.  Piece of cake to understand . All it takes is objective logic!

vs.29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and [m]adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30 and say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’

31 “Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. 33 Serpents, brood[n] of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? 34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, 35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Keyword RB= OBJECTIVE.




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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #33 on: Tue May 12, 2020 - 05:58:45 »
Keyword RB= OBJECTIVE.
Without doing a study in the realm of philosophy, concerning is logic objective or subjective? Why not just allow God's word in the context which is under consideration from both parties, drive the interpretation for them?

Philosophy is vain and leads down a road that has no end and truly serves no purpose other than producing prideful arguments that generally both sides end up losing and boring children of God who are seeking their food from the scriptures alone~not through the study of Philosophy.
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Jesus wasn't speaking about some generation in the future.
  "NEVER" said that it did, as a matter of truth I said that THIS generation was speaking of evil and wicked men STARTING with Cain in the OT, and ending with them killing Zachariah, and still PRESENT when Christ was speaking to the Pharisees, scribes and other false cults in Israel and will multiply greatly just before this world comes to an end! I also added that there are only TWO generation of people living on this earth, ONE evil the other righteous. 

So I have no idea how you came up with what you said. False doctrine confuses folks and causes them to make such statements since their overall doctrine is against TRUTH, we should not expect very much from those who have embraces lies.
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Read more of Matt.23.  Piece of cake to understand . All it takes is objective logic!
It takes more than using logic for logic to work~ one MUST have truth to work with and support logic, or the end results will be vain logic unsupported by God's testimony of truth.
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Matthew 23:29-36~"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Now, I have put the emphasis on the words within the CONTEXT that should help any sincere person to see and understand exactly whom Jesus is referring to as "THIS GENERATION" if one is ONLY seeking his understanding from the scriptures. Generation here is not speaking of "TIME", but a TYPE of people! Need more proof, I have a 52-page outline that I put together a few years back that I'll be happy to give you as much proof as anyone needs and most likely can handle, NOT because of who wrote it, because of TRUTH will defend and support itself from God's word, which is the only source of truth.
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Re: The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
« Reply #34 on: Tue May 12, 2020 - 07:23:10 »
RB and lea,

The key phrase in Matt 23:29-36 that eliminates applying “this generation” to anything but those men and their own children that Christ was talking to is this:

“FILL YE UP THEN THE MEASURE OF YOUR FATHERS”

A “FILLED UP MEASURE” has no more room for offenses to be added to that particular cup .  It’s FULL.  The ultimate crime of betraying and murdering their own Messiah was an offense that could not be superseded by any subsequent generation.

When someone kills a visiting ambassador representative from another nation, they have essentially committed an offense against everyone in the nation represented by that ambassador.  Just so with Christ and all the righteous martyred ones that He represented.    By crucifying Jesus the Messiah, THAT generation of scribes and Pharisees that Christ was directly speaking to became blood-guilty of everyone martyred from Abel up until then who were “IN Christ”. 

The very same message was portrayed in Christ’s parables about the wicked servants who persecuted and killed the messengers sent to them by their lord.  Finally, He sent His own Son to them, saying that they would surely reverence His Son.  But instead, they only schemed against the Heir and murdered Him, in order to get the inheritance.  By murdering the Lord’s own Son, they “FILLED UP THE MEASURE” of offenses against their Lord.  The atrocity of this act could never be exceeded by any further acts of their generation.  It was the ultimate crime of THAT generation, and received the ultimate judgment in THAT single generation of time; a judgment that they called down on their own heads, with Christ’s blood guilt on themselves and their own children.

This “generation” term in this context of Matt. 23:29-36 is indeed about “TIME” - not “type”.