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1.   Premillennial Pretribulational View.
All believers in Christ are raptured before the Great Tribulation.   The Rapture and Second Coming are separate events.   Israel and the Church are under separate programs.  There will be a literal seven years Tribulation Period.   The Church will be raptured before the Tribulation Period and unbelieving Israel will be on the Earth during the seven years of wrath.   Christ will come after the seven years and will set up His earthly Millennial Kingdom.   Full Dispensationals believe that the Church never returns to the Earth and Israel’s Messianic Kingdom will come about on the Earth with Christ ruling and the Law restored.   Eternity follows the thousand years. 

2.   Premillennial Postdispensational Vew.
All believers are raptured at the end of the Great Tribulation.   The Rapture and the Second Coming are the same event.   Israel and the Church are under separate programs; however, all believers will endure a literal seven year tribulation on the Earth.  After the Tribulation Period Christ will return and set up His earthly Millennial Kingdom.  Eternity follows the thousand years.

3.   Premillennial Midtribulation View.
All believers are raptured after half of the seven year Tribulation Period (i.e. 42 months).  The Rapture and the Second Coming are separate events.  The Tribulation Period totals a literal seven years (i.e. 84 months) but the Church will be raptured into Heaven at the mid-point of the Tribulation Period before the Great Tribulation begins.   Israel and the Church are under separate programs.   At the end of the full seven years Christ will return and will set up His earthly Millennial Kingdom.   Eternity follows the thousand years.

4.   Premillennial Pretribulational Partial Rapture View.
The Rapture and the Second Coming are separate events.   Not all will be ready to be raptured.   These who are not ready and not looking for Him will be left behind to endure the Great Tribulation and they will be martyred.   Israel and the Church have separate programs.   A Partial Rapture will occur before the seven years of the Tribulation Period begin.  The truly Spiritual Christians will be in Heaven and escape the wrath.   At the end of seven years will be the Second Coming at which time Christ will begin His earthly Millennial Kingdom.  Eternity follows the thousand years.

5.   Premillennial Prewrath Rapture View.
All believers are to be raptured during the Great Tribulation to be kept from God’s personal wrath. The Rapture and the Second Coming are separate events.   The Tribulation Period is thought of as being in two basic stages.   The first stage is the Beginning of Sorrows, or the wrath of Satan who is allowed to unleash wrath upon the world for 3 ½ years.   The second stage is God’s personal wrath which is released upon the world.   This second stage, known as the Great Tribulation, will become increasingly worse as time passes.   At sometime, during the mid-point of this second stage, before the Day of the Lord and God’s unleashed wrath, the believers are raptured to Heaven and are kept from enduring God’ wrath which is meant for those who have continually rejected His Son.   At the end of the seven total years of wrath, Christ will return and set up His earthly Millennial Kingdom.   Eternity follows the thousand year Kingdom.

6.   Evangelical Postmillennial View.
The Church endures tribulation for an age-long period, not a specific, literal seven year period.  However, the Millennium is believed to be a literal 1,000 years in length.   Israel and the Church are believed to be one people of God. During the present age the Kingdom of the Church will establish Lord’s literal kingdom on Earth.   When this is accomplished Christ will return and rule over His Kingdom on the Earth.   A General Resurrection and General Judgment occur, and afterwards eternity follows.   

7.   Augustine’s Amillennial View.
The Book of Revelation is highly symbolic of God’s kingdom triumphing through the Church.  The Tribulation Period and Millennial are symbolic of the tribulation the Church will endure and the non-literal thousand years of the Church Age is the time during which there is a long struggle between evil and Christ’s rule.   Israel and the Church are one people of God and are part of God’s current Kingdom on the Earth; i.e. the Church is the Kingdom.   At the appointed time Christ will make His Second Coming.   There will be a General Resurrection and a General Judgment.  Eternity follows after these things.

8.   An Alternate Amillennial View, proposed by B.B. Warfield.
God’s Kingdom promises are fulfilled in Heaven.   The Church is not yet the Kingdom of God on the Earth.  Israel and the Church are one people of God.   The Tribulation Period and Millennium are symbolic of the tribulation the Church will endure and the non-literal thousand years of the Church Age is the time during which there is a long struggle between evil and Christ’s present spiritual kingdom over the Earth.   He rules now from the right hand of God Almighty.   At the appointed time Christ will make His Second Coming.  There will be a General Resurrection and a General Judgment.   Eternity follows after these things.


Of course there are views held by those which include combined aspects of these various views.  Please let us know your differing thoughts concerning the Rapture, the Second Coming and the Millennium.   Thanks.

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I was raised in a  Premillennial Pretribulational mindset but it had some differences from what you describe.  The Lord comes almost back to earth to rapture out the saints (meet Him in the air).  (2nd coming)

During the 7 years the whole earth is under the one world gov't of the antichrist who sets up his palace on the temple mount in Jerusalem. It is a brutal regime similar to N Korea. But no one can die. No one can be saved.  It is just 7 years of brutality on all mankind. 

Then the Lord returns a third time with all the saints from all time and has a huge supernatural world war with antichrist's minions who suffer a grave defeat. This is followed by the physical reign of Our Lord from Jerusalem for a literal 1000 years while the devil is kept in spiritual prison.  Then another war breaks out when the devil is released which culminates in the various phases of eternal judgement (judgement seat of Christ, Great White Throne, etc) which is then followed by the destruction of heaven and earth and the New Heaven and New Earth (Rev 21,22) appear and eternity starts.

I now lean more toward a Pre-millennial Post-tribulational  (I think you misstated #2) viewpoint which has the believers going thru the 7 literal years but are shielded from the various plagues and curses (Goshen principle) like the children of Israel just prior to the Exodus.  Then the Lord returns for us.

The rest is pretty much the same as above.

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I was raised in a  Premillennial Pretribulational mindset but it had some differences from what you describe.  The Lord comes almost back to earth to rapture out the saints (meet Him in the air).  (2nd coming)

During the 7 years the whole earth is under the one world gov't of the antichrist who sets up his palace on the temple mount in Jerusalem. It is a brutal regime similar to N Korea. But no one can die. No one can be saved.  It is just 7 years of brutality on all mankind. 

Then the Lord returns a third time with all the saints from all time and has a huge supernatural world war with antichrist's minions who suffer a grave defeat. This is followed by the physical reign of Our Lord from Jerusalem for a literal 1000 years while the devil is kept in spiritual prison.  Then another war breaks out when the devil is released which culminates in the various phases of eternal judgement (judgement seat of Christ, Great White Throne, etc) which is then followed by the destruction of heaven and earth and the New Heaven and New Earth (Rev 21,22) appear and eternity starts.

I now lean more toward a Pre-millennial Post-tribulational  (I think you misstated #2) viewpoint which has the believers going thru the 7 literal years but are shielded from the various plagues and curses (Goshen principle) like the children of Israel just prior to the Exodus.  Then the Lord returns for us.

The rest is pretty much the same as above.

There is no way to cover every nuance of every end-times belief in such a format.

I didn't misstate anything.  I'm capable of error, but I stated no error here.   What you've stated is a footnote.  Christians differ on the severity of the tribulation.  Some simply believe that Christ will return to rescue them and then His own fierce wrath will be unleashed on those who are left.   A traditional Dispensational, for example, would argue that the wrath comes in stages and is worse during each stage of increase (bowls and plagues).  If I tried to cover every possible nuance of each category then making this list would have been an exercise in futility and would have lacked continuity.

One of the main points I wanted to reveal here, and I don't know if you picked up on it or not, was that the first five views are based on God having separate programs for Israel and the Church.   Now I did not get into every distinction about that, and you could have argued that I didn't do that, but I did the best I could to summarize each view.   Having said this, I did invite others to state their own views which you are certainly welcome to do.   I don't mean to whine but I sensed that you were saying that I stated something that was misleading.    I put this together precisely so others who don't know much about these views and can look at this list and not be misled.   

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I believe there will be one coming at the end of a 3 and a half year tribulation,the first half taking place at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.Israel and the church are one people.At the second coming the Lord will rapture us as He returns and there will be a 1000 year Kingdom in Jerusalem.Then the new earth.

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I didn't misstate anything.

I was thinking your #2 was a typo. 

You have:  "Premillennial Postdispensational Vew."

Should it not be:  "Premillennial Post-tribulational" ?  i.e. post-trib?

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That is interesting, where did you get it from?

I started out pre-trib, then went to post-trib, then the mid-trip/pre-wrath position.

Now, I think the whole idea of seven literal years is off.  I think the time period is much greater, but I have not fully encapsulated my ideas yet.

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Well its just a theory but it seems there was a purpose in the 7 being split in half and we know that the sacrifice ended with the burning of the temple and from what Ive researched it would be virtually Impossible or be a miracle for a temple to ever be built in this age and we know according to scripture only one more will be and I believe this will be in the millennium,all just my theory which is all any of us have since its still to come.

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Please let us know your differing thoughts concerning the Rapture, the Second Coming and the Millennium.   Thanks.


My views, as I have often expressed on this site:

1) Matthew 24:29 was completely fulfilled in the year 1999.

2) There shall not be this Antichrist, Armageddon, Seven Years of Tribulation, Rapture, Mark of the Beast, '666' scenario prior to Christ's return.

3) Christ will return to a world very much like the one we live in today.

4) Most Christians will be shocked when He returns, thinking that they'd first be "tipped off" by a world going to hell in a handbasket, which will not happen.

5) My best speculation is that Christ will return after the Mideast peace process is successfully completed between Israel and her remaining three neighbors of the Palestinian Authority, Syria, and Lebanon.
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notreligus -  Okay, here are some differing thoughts for sure on those three topics.  I won't include the scripture references that I have for each point, but they are available if requested.

The millennium of Rev. 20 lasted (past tense) a literal 1,000 years.  It was a millennium of a physical temple worship system authorized by God as a precursor to the True Temple to come after His death, resurrection, and ascension.

It ended with the First Resurrection in AD 33, which saw Christ and the Matthew 27:52-53 saints raised together as the Firstfruits from among the dead, and with Christ established as the foundation stone of the new,True Temple made of living stones.

It began with the foundation stone of Solomon's temple being laid in 967 BC.

It had a middle period when God "revived His work" among the Jewish nation in the "midst of the years" (in the middle of the years 967 BC through AD 33), with the post-exilic return of the Jews to Jerusalem under the 4 decrees passed by the Persian rulers (in 537, 519, 467 and 454 BC).  Zerubbabel laid the foundation stone of the 2nd temple in the midst of these millennium years, using Ezekiel's temple blueprints.

Satan was bound for these literal 1,000 years by the ministry of the prophets, so that the nations at large could no longer claim that they were deceived and ignorant concerning the knowledge of the God of Israel.  Solomon's world-wide reputation for wisdom helped with that.  The "short time" and the "little season" that Satan was loosed on the earth lasted from AD 33 until AD 66.  Then, until AD 70, the entire demonic world was imprisoned in Jerusalem, at which time it was obliterated so that the world would not be subjected to their presence in the age that followed AD 70. 

The "rapture" of nothing but resurrected people occurred at Pentecost in AD 70 with Christ's physical, bodily return on the Mt. of Olives.  This was Christ's second coming, when every resurrected eye saw him, but with only some of those living at that time seeing His coming, as He promised.  There was a Great White Throne Judgment at that time to close out God's Old Covenant dealings with mankind, just as there will be a third resurrection and another Great White Throne Judgment to close out His New Covenant dealings with mankind in the future.

It's God's play called "Redemption", having an Old Covenant Act I and a New Covenant Act II with an Intermission between.  And the play lasts for 7,000 years.

Hey, I forewarned that this was different from your usual fare.

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notreligus -  Okay, here are some differing thoughts for sure on those three topics.  I won't include the scripture references that I have for each point, but they are available if requested.

The millennium of Rev. 20 lasted (past tense) a literal 1,000 years.  It was a millennium of a physical temple worship system authorized by God as a precursor to the True Temple to come after His death, resurrection, and ascension.

It ended with the First Resurrection in AD 33, which saw Christ and the Matthew 27:52-53 saints raised together as the Firstfruits from among the dead, and with Christ established as the foundation stone of the new,True Temple made of living stones.

It began with the foundation stone of Solomon's temple being laid in 967 BC.

It had a middle period when God "revived His work" among the Jewish nation in the "midst of the years" (in the middle of the years 967 BC through AD 33), with the post-exilic return of the Jews to Jerusalem under the 4 decrees passed by the Persian rulers (in 537, 519, 467 and 454 BC).  Zerubbabel laid the foundation stone of the 2nd temple in the midst of these millennium years, using Ezekiel's temple blueprints.

Satan was bound for these literal 1,000 years by the ministry of the prophets, so that the nations at large could no longer claim that they were deceived and ignorant concerning the knowledge of the God of Israel.  Solomon's world-wide reputation for wisdom helped with that.  The "short time" and the "little season" that Satan was loosed on the earth lasted from AD 33 until AD 66.  Then, until AD 70, the entire demonic world was imprisoned in Jerusalem, at which time it was obliterated so that the world would not be subjected to their presence in the age that followed AD 70. 

The "rapture" of nothing but resurrected people occurred at Pentecost in AD 70 with Christ's physical, bodily return on the Mt. of Olives.  This was Christ's second coming, when every resurrected eye saw him, but with only some of those living at that time seeing His coming, as He promised.  There was a Great White Throne Judgment at that time to close out God's Old Covenant dealings with mankind, just as there will be a third resurrection and another Great White Throne Judgment to close out His New Covenant dealings with mankind in the future.

It's God's play called "Redemption", having an Old Covenant Act I and a New Covenant Act II with an Intermission between.  And the play lasts for 7,000 years.

Hey, I forewarned that this was different from your usual fare.

Interesting. You're the first preterist I've seen here with a belief in a (yet future) resurrection and Judgment Day.

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Re: The Primary Views Concerning the Rapture, Second Coming and Millennium
« Reply #10 on: Thu Jul 14, 2016 - 08:29:32 »
raggthyme13  -  Another Judgment Day and it's 3rd resurrection is the bridge that could connect the varying eschatological positions, if only each side could bring themselves to acknowledge it.  It's not likely to happen with those who are cemented inflexibly into their belief systems, but the next generation that is growing up with a blank religious slate just might be open enough to finally see the picture.

As to the "reviving His work" among the Jewish nation "in the MIDST of the years", (the millennium years from 968/967 BC through AD 33), I believe the Habakkuk 3:2 prophecy is ALSO speaking of the middle of all of human history's 7,000 years as well.  This "reviving" was pronounced as already fulfilled by Ezra 9:8-9 in his days.

The significance of the person and actions of Zerubbabel the governor of Jerusalem during the post-exilic period in Jerusalem is greatly overlooked.  Both genealogies of Mary and Joseph met in this one man.  He was a type of Christ, laying the foundation stone with the symbolic 7 eyes in it for the 2nd temple (Zech. 3:9, 4:10).  These 7 eyes in Zerubbabel's stone are a type that compares with the vision of Christ the Lamb with 7 eyes in Rev. 5:6. 

God called Zerubbabel His "chosen servant", (just as Christ was called this in Isaiah 42:1), and said He had set him as a signet, or a seal for the nation of Israel to consider (Haggai 2:23).  God promised that the hands of Zerubbabel were the ones that would lay the foundation of the 2nd temple, and were also the same hands that would finish it (Zech. 4:9).  In the same manner, Jesus laid Himself down as the foundation stone for the True Temple of living stones with His finished sacrifice and ascension, and His hands will finish building this temple of living stones when the last child of God is added to the kingdom of Christ before the end of those 7,000 years of human history.

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Re: The Primary Views Concerning the Rapture, Second Coming and Millennium
« Reply #11 on: Mon Jul 18, 2016 - 18:15:59 »
I notice each of the categories has either:
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Israel and the Church have separate programs.
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Israel and the Church are believed to be one people of God.

Replacement Theology is neither one. 

Likewise, there is something more to be said about the timing of it all.  IF one believes that Israel and Judah were under separate programs, then have they been re-united?  If so, when?  Will they be re-united in the future?  There's quite a bit of variation to this.

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Re: The Primary Views Concerning the Rapture, Second Coming and Millennium
« Reply #12 on: Mon Jul 18, 2016 - 23:54:08 »
2.   Premillennial Postdispensational Vew.
All believers are raptured at the end of the Great Tribulation.   The Rapture and the Second Coming are the same event.   Israel and the Church are under separate programs; however, all believers will endure a literal seven year tribulation on the Earth.  After the Tribulation Period Christ will return and set up His earthly Millennial Kingdom.  Eternity follows the thousand years.

I have never heard the term "Premillennial Postdispensational Vew".  What would be the difference between a "Premillennial Postdispensational Vew" and a Premillennial Posttribulational View? A Postdispensational has Israel and the Church are under separate programs, and a Posttribulational has only a program for the Church?