Perhaps you have not misunderstood just a little but rather everything said here so far? The third of men killed in Revelation 9 are the only ones saved because the other two thirds repented not of their devil worship: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
First of all, I made no comment about the proportions of humans killed or otherwise from Revelation 9.
The "third" that I spoke to was the stars in ch. 12 which I said signified angels.
Without going back over all your posts I don't know why you are talking about thirds of people in Revelation 9. But just looking at you arithmetic in the above statement, it is highly suspect.
You seem to be saying that the one third killed by the three plagues of the sixth trumpet were saved. And the two thirds that did not repent were not saved.
Just because it says "And the rest of the men, who were not killed by these plagues, still did not repent of their works ..."
, this tells us nothing about whether the killed ones consisted of repentant ones and none repentant ones and how many of each. All we know is that they were killed, PERIOD.
The ones who escaped this killing still did not repent. Out of the third of men that were killed we don't know that none repented and were killed. It is possible to repent just before dying or while dying. So verse 20 only indicates the behavior of those who were not killed.
And of the ones who were killed, "the third part of men"
we have no idea which were saved and which were not. Plenty of saved people can be killed in war, famine, natural calamities throughout history.
We simply do not know their salvation state. We only know that they were not saved from being killed by the plagues of the sixth trumpet.
See also Ezekiel 5 where the city is divided into three parts. And per your own words then the tribulation must have started in Luke when Yeshua stated that he beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven when the seventy had cast out devils during their mission.[/size]
Faulty reasoning. Jesus said He saw Satan failing from heaven like lightening. We do not know if this was a prophetic vision of the future or a falling he saw taking place at the moment. Maybe even it was a remembrance of something in the past.
I only grasp from Luke 10:18
that as the disciples exercised spiritual dominion Satan was being cast down. Per my words, my reference to this principle does not prove that the great tribulation started at the time of Luke 10:18.
Besides, Jesus indicated that a demon cast out of a man could enter in that man again. He could take seven others and the last state of the man be worst than the first. Therefore, even if Satan did undergo a falling from heaven at the time of Luke 10:18 he could reinstate himself. Ie. a BATTLE lost but not yet the WAR.
Evil can return to power when the saints do not hold on to the divine victory. So you cannot force upon me that Luke 10:18
has to be my concept of the beginning of the great tribulation.
In Revelation 12 he is cast to the earth and only has a short time. And that is 42 months, 1,260 days, three and one half years. I never taught that 42 months following the incidents of Luke 10:18 Christ returned to earth to establish His messianic kingdom of 1,000 years.
As for the "good warrior angels" you have imagined: the Scripture proves you and your teacher Lee wrong on that one also because Gabriel states that there are NONE others who holdeth, (strengtheneth) with him against the Prince of Persia or the Prince of Grecia, (powers of the heavens) except for MICHAEL the Great Prince who stands for the children of Daniel's people.
Daniel 10:20-21 KJV
20. Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.
21. But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things but Michael your prince.
Daniel 10:21 ASV
21. But I will tell thee that which is inscribed in the writing of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me against these, but Michael your prince.
This does not prove that the stars dragged away by the dragon's tail are not angels.
There are only TWO angels mentioned by name in the Bible which are considered good
This could be because they are archangels or of some higher rank.
So "none other ... but Michael"
probably means none other but the other archangel.
So what? That doesn't prove that the stars dragged away by the dragon's tail are not angels. And by far, I am sure Witness Lee is not the first or only expositor to teach that the stars dragged away by the dragon's tail are bad angels.
And if bad ones exist (1/3) , goods ones must be left (2/3). So they fight in the same chapter (however angels happen to fight).
And it is the rapture of the man-child which triggers the war to break out and for the Devil to be defeated. And the man-child is a corporate group of those who have overcome through redemption - "they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb".
That could not refer to good angels because good angels have no need of the redemption of Christ. Humans do.
In chapter 12 the stars dragged by the dragon's tail are angels. The ones not dragged are the good ones left over. And the man-child is a corporate "THEY"
redeemed by the blood of Jesus in verses 10,11. They loved not their soul-life even unto death
. This proves that in the past they were martyred.
And one other thing. I notice that people like you who imitate others, Ie. L-rd, G-d, etc. are the first to criticize OTHERS as following men too much. You yourself are just imitating some procedure you picked up from a man. Your charges of man following wreak with hypocrisy.
Do you want to have good fellowship even though we may not agree on all matters?
Or do you want to play hardball and keep trying to make learning from one Witness Lee as a crime of some sort ?
I can meet you on either ground. I prefer we just have some reasonably cordial fellowship about what we see in the word of God.