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The Strong Delusion
« on: Sun Apr 04, 2010 - 09:10:55 »
Greetings all, In the name of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ!Consider the following Scripture...
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II Thess 2:10-12 And will all decievableness of unrighteousness in them that perish:  because they recieved not the Love of the truth, that they might be saved, And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Question:  Anyone Here know of what the "strong delusion" is, that the Lord will bring on those that Love not the truth?  Notice the "strong delusion" is NOT the Lie.  The Strong delusion will drive those who not God, to accept the Lie. Has anyone had what this strong delusion is, revealed to them?

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« Reply #1 on: Sun Apr 04, 2010 - 10:44:47 »
Self-delusion. I have often wondered if that is already at work. People convince themselves that their errors and sins are alright all the time.

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Re: The Strong Delusion
« Reply #2 on: Sun Apr 04, 2010 - 12:27:52 »
Self-delusion. I have often wondered if that is already at work. People convince themselves that their errors and sins are alright all the time.
Interesting Theory.  I believe this "event" is an actual event that the Lord is Behind.  The conclusion one will draw from experieincing this "event" will  lead one who has heard the goispel, but has rejected it, into the acceptance  of something that appears to be true, but isn't.
The definition of the term "delusion" has its roots with in accepting something that appears to be true, but isn't.  If we look at the context of this passage in Thessalonians,  we see the Lie is explained to us. 
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II Thess, 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth  himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he AS GOD, sitteth in the temple of God, shewing Himself that he is God.
If this IS "the Lie", then what has occurred prior to it, that the world believes that the antichrist IS the returned Messiah?  Rev. 14:9 clearly establishes that whoever 'WORSHIPS" the beast,  the same shall drink of the wrath of God.   
There is certian events Prior to the reign of the false messiah, Events prophesied to occur, that make up the "strong delusion."  These events will lead one who has rejected the truth, into worshipping the false messaih as the true.    

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Re: The Strong Delusion
« Reply #3 on: Sun Apr 04, 2010 - 12:50:34 »
 The POint I am trying to establish, is there must be a series of events PRIOR to the reign of the false messiah, that plays a great factor in the World into accepting Him , and WORSHIPPING HIM AS GOD.  What has those  who  rejected the gospel,  experieinced, that now they not only accept, but Worship, that which is false?   We can take a "journey" through the Book of revelation, concentrating of what is occuring to the unbelieving World, to establish what was proiphesied to occur to them.   Paul states that God shall send them "strong delusion"---> that they believe a lie----->  that they all might be damned.   This sequence of events must be somewhere in the Book of revelation.   Where do witness the unbelieving World, experieince an event that  may appear to be one thing, but isn't? (the strong delusion)  Where do we witness the unbelieving World, accepting "the Lie"?  and where do we witness the unbelieving World being "damned" by God?  As believers, don't ya think the Lord would want US, to know of this???

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Re: The Strong Delusion
« Reply #4 on: Sun Apr 04, 2010 - 13:04:40 »
The promise of rapture before the tribulation is "the lie."  The "strong delusion" is Satan and his folks in the guise of Christians.  The false prophets, etc.

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Re: The Strong Delusion
« Reply #5 on: Sun Apr 04, 2010 - 15:38:53 »
There is a series of events within the events of revelation, that seems to be eerily "out of place"  with all other events.  If revelation IS in chronolical order (which I believe it is), and we "Step back" from the Book  of revelation, and Look at it, in its entirety,  it becomes much easeir to see, that something Just isn't "right".
There are certian specific events that are prophesied to occur, that properly identifies  When the day of the Lord is to begin.  in Joel 3:12-15 we read.....
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Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: FOR THERE WILL I SIT TO JUDGE ALL THE HEATHEN ROUND ABOUT PUT YE IN THE SICKLE FOR THE HARVEST IS RIPE; GET YE DOWN FOR THE PRESS IS FULL the fats overflow: for their wickedness is great. Multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision, for the day of the Lord is NEAR in the valley of decision.   The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

According to this passage of Scripture in Joel Chapter three, the day of the Lord is "near" or about to begin, at the time we witness the thrusting in of the sickle, for the harvest is ripe.  We don't witness the fulfillment of this until the 14th Chapter of revelation.
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Rev. 14:17-19 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also haveing a sharp sickle, and another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire, and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickjle, saying,  Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.  19 And the angel thrust in the sickle into the earth, and gathered the wine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.  

It is quite simple to see that what was prophesied in Joel 3:12-15, is being fulfilled in the 14th chapter.  The sickle is being thrust in, for the day of the Lord is NEAR or about to begin.  But if THIS is the beginning of the true day of the Lord,  Then what have we already witnessed Back in the Sixth seal of revelation?
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Rev 6;12-17 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and lo, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth of Hair, and ther Moon became as BLOOD. And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree CASTETH HER UNTIMELY FIGS , when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is is rolled together; and every mountian and Island were moved out of their places.  15 And the KINGS OF THE EARTH THE GREAT MEN, AND THE RICH MEN, AND THE CHIEF CAPTIANS AND THE MIGHTY MEN, and every bondman, and freeman hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountians; and (THEY) SAID TO THE MOUNTIANS AND ROCKS, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb.  FOR THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME, AND WHO SHALL BE ABLE TO STAND?

If we  Just "skim over" the events of the sixth seal,  one would naturally conclude that what is occuring IS the day of the Lord.  These people are crying for the mountians to fall on them to hide them from the "face" (strong's defines this term as "presence) of him that is sitting on the throne.  But there is a problem....a BIG problem..... How can THIS be the day of the Lord, when Joel 3 12-15 states it is "NEAR" when the sickle is thrust in, and this don't occur untill the 14th chapter of Revelation?  Misunderstanding what truly IS occuring in the sixth seal, has lead to endless debate concerning the order of end time events.  The events of the Sixth seal IS NOT the beginning of the day of the Lord.  At the opening of the sixth seal we read, "the sun shall be turned to sackcloth, and the moon to blood" according to Joel 2:30-31 We read...
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And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood and fire, and pillars of smoke. THE SUN SHALL BE TURNED INTO DARKENSS AND THE MOON INTO BLOOD BEFORE THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD COMES.

This second passage of scripture in Joel, eastablishes, that the events of the sixth seal, occurs BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD COMES.  Why then are those who are hiding in the rocks proclaiming they are already experiencing it?  How could this be the day of the Lord, when it doesn't begin untill the Sickle is thrust in, in the 14th chapter?
What we are witnessing in the sixth seal IS THE STRONG DELUSION  Consider WHO is stating that it is the day of the Lord......The great men, rich men, mighty men THEY HIDE FROM GOD These are not believers!!!!! They know about the  Lord, and the day of the Lord, but have rejected it!!!!  This is the group of people back in Thessalonians, the Lord stated he would bring a strong delusion on!!!!!!!
remember, we are trying to establish a chronological order of events within revelation concerning the unbelieving world, and How the Lord interacts with them.  If these people knew the Word of God, they would of known that when Christ returns he is riding on a white horse, not seen sitting on a throne!!!!!
It is this group of people, that are concluding that the "graet day of His wrath is come"  This isn't Jesus, or John. or an Angel that is proclaiming the great day of the Lord Has come!!!  it is a group of UNbelievers!!!!!
The reason the Lord stated he would bring this "strong delusion" on those that Love not the truth, was so they would believe "the lie".  Do we see this occuring to this same group of people described Here in the sixth seal??
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Rev. 13:16And he causeth all, both small (men) and great (men)  rich (men) and poor (men)  free (men) and bond (men) to recieve a mark in their right hand or in their forehead.
  Who are these people we now see swearing allegience to the false messiah?  It is the same group of People we witnessed in the sixth seal proclaiming that it is the day of thre Lord!!!!! "God shall send them strong delusion, that they believe a lie....... Are these folks "believing the Lie"?   Absolutely!!!  Because they have accepted the events of the sixth seal AS the day of the Lord, they Have now accepted the false Messiah as the REAL!!!!!
What happens next to this people that swear allegience to the false Messiah?   According to II thess, God sends them strong delusion---->(rev 6:12-17)that they believe a lie (rev. 13:16) that they all might be damned..... Do we see these people being "damned" who have taken the mark of the antichrist?
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Rev.  rev 14"9-10 And the third angel followed them, saying with as loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image AND RECIEVE HIS MARK IN THEIR FOREHEAD, OR IN HIS HAND the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation...

We now see the complete fulfillment of what will happen to the unbelieving world, as prophesied in II thessalonians. God sends them strong Delusion. They see the face of Him sitting on the throne, they conclude they are experieincing the day of the Lord.   This strong delusion drives then to believe the lie.  The swear allegience to the false messiah, taking His mark, thinking that HE truly is THE TRUE RETURNED MESSIAH.   We later see Judgement passed on those who have taken His mark, being danmed, have to face the vials of the wrath of God.
There cannot be two starts to the day of the Lord.  It does appear however there  IS!!!   There are certian events that are prophesied to occur Prior to the reign of the false messiah,  that is going to appear to many, to BE full Prophetic fulfillment, but Won't be.
To fully understand what is occuring in the sixth seal, pay very close attention to the individual events that are occuring within the sixth seal.  We first witness an earthquake, the stars of heaven falls as "a fig tree is shaken of a mighty wind, and HER unripe figs are falling".   Who is the Fig tree?  Why are we witnessing UNRIPE figs falling?  An unripe fig falls prematurely, or before the true harvest time.  ALL the people of the earth Hide from the "face"(presence) of him that is sitting on the throne.   There is a prophecy in the old testiment, that we witness all of these events occuring simultaineously.  find it, and you will uiderstand WHY these people think they are experieincing ARMAGEDDON!!!!!!  

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Re: The Strong Delusion
« Reply #6 on: Sun Apr 04, 2010 - 19:53:00 »
  I STATED IN ONE OF MY PREVIOUS POSTS, THAT THERE IS A SERIES OF EVENTS, THAT SEEM TO BE "EERILY OUT OF PLACE IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION.  These events are the events of the Sixth seal.  How could this be the day of the Lord, as those who are hiding from the Face of Him that is sitting on the throne, are proclaiming it is?  All other events pertaining to the day of the Lord, aren't seen occuring untill the 14th chapter of Rev, and beyond.
Within the day of the Lord, we witness ther Wrath of God being poured with all the trees being burned up, all the water being tainted.  All is destroyed.  However, after the sixth seal, we witness only 1/3 of everything being destroyed in the first four trumpets.  How could this be?   If the Sixth seal WAS the TRUE day of the Lord, we would be witnessing the destruction of the vials of God next...In stead we only witness 1/3 of everything being destroyed.
it is no coincidence that we witness one third of everything destroyed following the sixth seal.  It is also no coincidence, that this destruction "mirrors" the destruction of the vials of the wrath of God.   Same destruction, only smaller in scope.
It isn't untill the fifth and sixth trumpet, do we witness Satan being cast out of Heaven, with His hordes of fallen ones following close behind.  Everything that has occured in the seals and first six trumpets, are events that occur, that "prime" the unbelieving world into the acceptance of the "LIE".
WE now witness the 42 month reign of the false messiah, being described in the next three chapters of Revelation (11,12 and 13).
It is after His 42 month reign, the last trumpet will be blown, His true identity will be made known to the world, and the wrath of God will be poured out on those who have accepted, and worshipped Him AS GOD.  

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« Reply #7 on: Mon Apr 05, 2010 - 02:49:45 »
The Srong delusion is the amalgamated accidence that everyone fully believes in the back of Strong's concordance. ::reading::

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« Reply #8 on: Mon Apr 05, 2010 - 19:58:22 »
The Srong delusion is the amalgamated accidence that everyone fully believes in the back of Strong's concordance. ::reading::
Would that make it' God shall send them "Strong's delusion, that they believe a lie? 

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« Reply #9 on: Mon Apr 05, 2010 - 23:25:23 »
The Srong delusion is the amalgamated accidence that everyone fully believes in the back of Strong's concordance. ::reading::
Would that make it' God shall send them "Strong's delusion, that they believe a lie? 

Exactly.

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« Reply #10 on: Tue Apr 06, 2010 - 10:14:32 »
Question:  Anyone Here know of what the "strong delusion" is, that the Lord will bring on those that Love not the truth?  Notice the "strong delusion" is NOT the Lie.  The Strong delusion will drive those who not God, to accept the Lie. Has anyone had what this strong delusion is, revealed to them?

Have I 'Heard'?
If that is what you meant; then....

In my life, what I've seen:

Sex Sells = Strong Delusion
Bad means Good = Strong Delusion (EX: "I'm Bad to the Bone!. Ba-Ba-Ba-Bad [George Thorogood/Musician]")
That song sells millions of dollars and when it's played, the psychopaths become insane and the girls throw themselves at womanizers as if they were 'Good'.
Adolesence (ie 'Teen'Ager) = Strong Delusion (EX: A 12 year old child loves being around their parents. Once they turn 13, The Science of Adolesence tells that 13 year old to hate their parents; whereas, there is nothing biological about hating parents. We all learn to be wise and should never be forced to decide when that should begin. Parents are to teach wisdom to a child -BEFORE!- a child makes error. This will prevent or lessen the damage done by doing wrong.)
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Re: The Strong Delusion
« Reply #11 on: Tue Apr 06, 2010 - 14:16:33 »
Question:  Anyone Here know of what the "strong delusion" is, that the Lord will bring on those that Love not the truth?  Notice the "strong delusion" is NOT the Lie.  The Strong delusion will drive those who not God, to accept the Lie. Has anyone had what this strong delusion is, revealed to them?

Have I 'Heard'?
If that is what you meant; then....

In my life, what I've seen:

Sex Sells = Strong Delusion
Bad means Good = Strong Delusion (EX: "I'm Bad to the Bone!. Ba-Ba-Ba-Bad [George Thorogood/Musician]")
That song sells millions of dollars and when it's played, the psychopaths become insane and the girls throw themselves at womanizers as if they were 'Good'.
Adolesence (ie 'Teen'Ager) = Strong Delusion (EX: A 12 year old child loves being around their parents. Once they turn 13, The Science of Adolesence tells that 13 year old to hate their parents; whereas, there is nothing biological about hating parents. We all learn to be wise and should never be forced to decide when that should begin. Parents are to teach wisdom to a child -BEFORE!- a child makes error. This will prevent or lessen the damage done by doing wrong.)

  All these may be some form of "delusions", but the one I want to focus on is the one that II Thessalonians states that it is the Lord Himself that brings it.   The Lord "sitting on the throne" in the sixth seal, is the first place in Revelati0on we witness the Lord interacting with the unbelieving World, in a way they can actually see Him.   God sends the unbelieving World a strong delsuion, because they have rejected Him.  The people in the sixth seal, certianly have rejected God, Hiding from Him.  This event leads them to  accepting the "LIE". we witness thisd later in zrevelation as this same group of people are seen, taking the mark of the false Messiah.
There is no need for us to go outside of Scripture to establish what the strong delusion Is.  We, as the Children of God must be knowledgable of this coming event.  If we are not, we very well could find ourselves in the company of those in the sixth seal, thinking, and proclaiming "the great day of His wrath is come, although Prematurely!!!!!  You don't want to be in with this crowd. they will accept the Lie, and end up Worshipping the antichrist, thinking He truly is Jesus returned!!!

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« Reply #12 on: Tue Apr 06, 2010 - 15:29:39 »

All these may be some form of "delusions", but the one I want to focus on is the one that II Thessalonians states that it is the Lord Himself that brings it.   The Lord "sitting on the throne" in the sixth seal, is the first place in Revelati0on we witness the Lord interacting with the unbelieving World, in a way they can actually see Him.   God sends the unbelieving World a strong delsuion, because they have rejected Him.  The people in the sixth seal, certianly have rejected God, Hiding from Him.  This event leads them to  accepting the "LIE". we witness thisd later in zrevelation as this same group of people are seen, taking the mark of the false Messiah.
There is no need for us to go outside of Scripture to establish what the strong delusion Is.  We, as the Children of God must be knowledgable of this coming event.  If we are not, we very well could find ourselves in the company of those in the sixth seal, thinking, and proclaiming "the great day of His wrath is come, although Prematurely!!!!!  You don't want to be in with this crowd. they will accept the Lie, and end up Worshipping the antichrist, thinking He truly is Jesus returned!!!

OK.
So, this means that God gives Satan the 'OK' to jump the gate; God hangs-out with the unbelievers; and makes it look like it's Him giving the Mark, yet it is the Antichrist giving the Mark?

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« Reply #13 on: Wed Apr 07, 2010 - 08:28:11 »

All these may be some form of "delusions", but the one I want to focus on is the one that II Thessalonians states that it is the Lord Himself that brings it.   The Lord "sitting on the throne" in the sixth seal, is the first place in Revelati0on we witness the Lord interacting with the unbelieving World, in a way they can actually see Him.   God sends the unbelieving World a strong delsuion, because they have rejected Him.  The people in the sixth seal, certianly have rejected God, Hiding from Him.  This event leads them to  accepting the "LIE". we witness thisd later in zrevelation as this same group of people are seen, taking the mark of the false Messiah.
There is no need for us to go outside of Scripture to establish what the strong delusion Is.  We, as the Children of God must be knowledgable of this coming event.  If we are not, we very well could find ourselves in the company of those in the sixth seal, thinking, and proclaiming "the great day of His wrath is come, although Prematurely!!!!!  You don't want to be in with this crowd. they will accept the Lie, and end up Worshipping the antichrist, thinking He truly is Jesus returned!!!

OK.
So, this means that God gives Satan the 'OK' to jump the gate; God hangs-out with the unbelievers; and makes it look like it's Him giving the Mark, yet it is the Antichrist giving the Mark?
HI RalphMalph,
  It is crucial that we understand how Prophetical events that will occur are related, one to another.  UNderstanding the timing of these events, how one event, will lead to the next, and how these events are percieved when they occur, goes a long way in understanding exactly what is occuring.
The majority of the Christian community today, are expecting some form of Seven year period, consisting of first a 3 1/2 year time of Peace, followed by 3 1/2 years of War.  Scripture however, refutes this, and actually establishes the exact opposite.
In Matthew 24, Jesus stated that at THE END OF THE AGE  there would be wars and rumors of War, but the END IS NOT YET.   Jesus was trying to warn us not to accept the "birthpains" AS THE END.  What jesus stated wqas not a "general warning".  but a very specific warning concerning what will occur at THE END OF THE AGE.
The true 70th week of Daniel, will consist of firsdt these "birthpain wars" in the first half, leading to the 42 month reign of the false Messiah, in the second half.  This in turn will lead to the Day of the Lord, which follows.
Jesus is trying to warn us, not to accept the birthpain wars, as the end.  This is what we are witnessing in the sixth seal!!!  The people in the sixth seal, are not Heeding the warning Jesus has given. They are accepting the Birthpain wars (the war of Ezekiel 38) AS THE FINAL BATTLE!!
This is the reason WHY it seems the events of the Sixth seal, seem so out of PLace. All other events concerning the day of the Lord, don't occur untill the 14th Chapter of revelation.  By the time the True day of the Lord occurs, we have already been through the "birthpains" , and the 42 month reign of the false Messiah.
God stated he would bring a strong delusion on those that Love not the truth.  He isn't "hanging out" with unbelievers, all he is doing is revealing Himself on His throne in the sixth seal.  Those that have rejected the truth, then make the Wrong conclusion. They state,  "the great day of His wrath is come."  This in turn will lead them to accept the false Messiah as the true.  we see this occuring in Rev. 13:16.  God sends them "strong delusion" that they believe a lie.
By the time the false Messiah begins His reign (which doesn't begin untill Satan is cast out of heaven fifth and sixth trumpet), He will have a series of events He will point to, and an explanation to the now seduced Chruch, that all Prophetic scripture has been fulfilled.  It is at this time, those of your own household will betray you.  They will consider you totally looney tunes, if you do not embrace this one now claiming to be the messiah.  Its all about timing, and perception.

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Re: The Strong Delusion
« Reply #14 on: Wed Apr 07, 2010 - 11:01:54 »
All these may be some form of "delusions", but the one I want to focus on is the one that II Thessalonians states that it is the Lord Himself that brings it.   The Lord "sitting on the throne" in the sixth seal, is the first place in .....

God's prolly already here.
He just hidin' in da thickets or heavy cover  ::frown::

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« Reply #15 on: Wed Apr 07, 2010 - 18:31:15 »
God's prolly already here.
He just hidin' in da thickets or heavy cover  ::frown::
Of course He's here.

Wherever I am, here He Is.

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« Reply #16 on: Thu Apr 08, 2010 - 18:46:02 »

II Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:


It is only those who have chosen to believe a lie, that are given over by God to strong delusion.  Those who reject plain biblical truth, in favor of man made traditions and teachings, will suffer the effects of strong delusion.  Sunday sacredness, and the immortality of the soul are two false doctrines which will result in strong delusion upon all who will not forsake these lies of BABYLON THE GREAT. Turn away from the intoxicating wine of her false doctrines.  Come out of her my people, for why will you receive of her plagues. 


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« Reply #17 on: Thu Apr 08, 2010 - 18:56:24 »

II Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:


It is only those who have chosen to believe a lie, that are given over by God to strong delusion.  Those who reject plain biblical truth, in favor of man made traditions and teachings, will suffer the effects of strong delusion.  Sunday sacredness, and the immortality of the soul are two false doctrines which will result in strong delusion upon all who will not forsake these lies of BABYLON THE GREAT. Turn away from the intoxicating wine of her false doctrines.  Come out of her my people, for why will you receive of her plagues. 


Agreed!!  So very few know that there will be many who darken the door of the church every Sunday, have a form of Godliness, but deny His power, that will get sucked into this strong delusion the Lord brings!!  There lips are close to Him, but their heart is far from Him!!

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« Reply #18 on: Fri Apr 09, 2010 - 00:08:06 »

Since I do not plan on going into the temptation to come upon all the world of Revelation 3:10, how does your schedule of events affect me? Will we see one another in passing?   ???

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« Reply #19 on: Fri Apr 09, 2010 - 06:14:12 »

Since I do not plan on going into the temptation to come upon all the world of Revelation 3:10, how does your schedule of events affect me? Will we see one another in passing?   ???
Hi Larry2,
We may well end up bumpimg into one another in the coming days.  My "schedule" of events  is a wee bit different than what has been embraced as Gospel truth.  From what I percieve from scripture, the TRUE 70th week, will consist of NOT 3 1/2 years of Peace, followed by 3 1/2 years of Wear, but the exact oppposite.
Just as Jesus stated, there would be wars and rumors of wars, but the END IS NOT YET.  These birthpain wars, will take up the first half of the 70th week, climaxing midweek, when we witness "arms" standing on behalf of the King of the North, stopping the sacrifices (daniel 11:31).  This will be the climax of the Ezekiel 38 war.  It is no coincidence, the next set of events that is Described in daniel 11, is the 42 month reign of the False Messiah.  This will make up the second half of the 70th week.
AS satan is cast out of heaven, with His hordes of fallen ones following close behind (fifth and sixth trumpet of Revelation) He will have a series of events that just moccured, he will point to  and explain to the World, that "all prophetic scripture has been fulfilled.  Daniel 11:33 Speaks of "those that understand"  will instruct many, when these events occur.
I wholeheartedly agree that we are not destined  to face the wrath of God. but we need to understand Who IS destined to face God's wrath, to understand WHEN it falls.
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Rev. 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, IF ANY MAN WORSHIP THE BEAST AND HIS IMAGE, AND RECIEVE HIS MARK IN HIS FOREHEAD, OR IN HIS RIGHT HAND, The same shall drink OF THE WINE OF THE WRATH OF GOD, WHICH IS POURED OUT WITHOUT MIXTURE INTO THE CUP OF HIS INDIGNATION....

This is what WE are not destined to face. Facing the wrath of God is wholly conditional on IF one worships the false messiah.  If the false messiah does rule for 42 months, God would be unjust if His wrath was poured out anytime before this time period.  It will be during this 42 month time period, People will be deciding if they worship the false messiaih or not.
One of the biggest mistakes todays eschatology has made, is most try to cram the "day of the Lord" into the second half of the 70th week.  The 70th week of daniel, is called the time of Jacob's trouble, (Jer 30:7) while the day of the Lord is called the "time of the heathen (ez. 30:3) The Lord is dealing with two seperate groups of people, in two seperate time periods.  The true day of the Lord will follow a seven year period consisting of  Wars and rumors of wars (but the end is not yet) in the first half, then followed by the 42 month reign of the false messiah.  matthew 24:29 establishs exactly when the day of the Lord begins.
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IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.

It will be this second celestial event when BOTH the sun and moon are darkened, or obscured, (not to be confused with the event that occured in the sixth seal) at the end of the 42 month reign of the false Messiah, that opens up the day of the Lord, when God's wrath is going to be poured out.  This my friend, is what we are not destined for!
We witness the TWO harvests from the earth in the 14th chapter of revelation. First one of the believers, then the second that prepares the world for the vials of the wrath of God.
The true day of the Lord, and Gods wrath being poured out will follow the completion of the 70th week.  It is at this time the Last (seventh trumpet) is blown.  At the time of Harvest of the TRUE BELIEVERS, the true IDENTITY OF THE FALSE MESSIAH WILL BE MADE KNOWN TO THE WORLD.   Just as II thess states, the day of the Lord does nmot come untill the falling away comes first (this will occur during his 42 month  reign) and the real identity of the man of sin is made known. 
This is the only "schedule of events"  I see occuring, that satisfies all scripture.

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Re: The Strong Delusion
« Reply #20 on: Fri Apr 09, 2010 - 06:30:42 »
IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. It will be this second celestial event when BOTH the sun and moon are darkened, or obscured,

You have some GREAT insights, Joshleet. On this topic.

FYI: Hebrew Year 5775 will be a Blood Moon event. There will allegedly be 4 tetrad eclipses that -mostly- happen on Jewish Feast Days and symbolize the Return of Christ. The moon will let off a Blood Moon Appearance.
Last one happened in 1948 (Birth of Israel as a Nation)
 
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IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. It will be this second celestial event when BOTH the sun and moon are darkened, or obscured,

You have some GREAT insights, Joshleet. On this topic.

FYI: Hebrew Year 5775 will be a Blood Moon event. There will allegedly be 4 tetrad eclipses that -mostly- happen on Jewish Feast Days and symbolize the Return of Christ. The moon will let off a Blood Moon Appearance.
Last one happened in 1948 (Birth of Israel as a Nation)
 
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Thanks RM!!
When the Lord took me on this prophetical "journey" through his Word,  I was asked to do something (at the time) was quite difficult to do.   After reading dozens of Books on the Subject, the Lord instructed me to "set aside" all I thought I knew on the subject, and allow the Holy Spirit to teach me.   This was much easier said than done.  Already ingrained in my brain were preconcieved Ideas I had accepted as absolute "truth". The  Lord told me not to forget them, but to Just "set these ideas aside".  Later on I was able to compare what these folks were teaching as Truth, and what the Word of God truly stated.  This lead me to the conclusion that there is a whole bunch of end time doctrine out there, that has been accepted as "true", but is based purely on assumption, or speculation.
Secondly, the Lord showed me there are a few simple common sense principles  one must follow when we study our Fathers word. 
First, we don't have to go beyond the Word of God for discernment.  We cannot look into the "world" to define scripture.  All prophecies written, have their fulfillment written in His word.
Secondly, we mustn't "assume truth" concerning end time events.  God means what he says, and says what he means.  It is our nature to want to draw conclusions based on the comfort of our flesh.
Thirdly, put meaning behind EACH AND EVERY WORD THE LORD HAS SPOKEN. WE CANNOT TAKE THE WORD OF GOD FOR GRANTED THINKING WE "THINK" IT KNOWS WHAT IT MEANS.  research each word the Lord has spoken.  Take it back to its original language to understand the deep meaning to it.
Lastly, and I think this is one of the most important.  Jesus said that many have eyes but "see not".   We must percieve prophecy, not through own set of eyes but  from other multiple perspectives.  First, we need to view these events through the Eyes and heart of Our heavenly father. It leads us to a deep understanding Why these events will occur.   We must also view events from the perspective of those that are experieincing the events when they occur.   This gives us great insight to the reasons behind why each event occurs, and the reasons why people are doing what they are doing at any given time propheticlly speaking.   This is where this wonderful gift the Lord has given me, came from.     

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« Reply #22 on: Fri Apr 09, 2010 - 19:45:29 »

   
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Just as Jesus stated, there would be wars and rumors of wars, but the END IS NOT YET.  These birthpain wars, will take up the first half of the 70th week, climaxing midweek, when we witness "arms" standing on behalf of the King of the North, stopping the sacrifices (daniel 11:31).  This will be the climax of the Ezekiel 38 war.  It is no coincidence, the next set of events that is Described in daniel 11, is the 42 month reign of the False Messiah.  This will make up the second half of the 70th week.

Seems like you are saying from the above, that we do not know when the 70th week will begin, and then of course, know nothing of when it will end.  Of course this would also mean, that we have no idea regarding the beginning or end of the the preceding 69 weeks.  Thus also, must not have any idea of what transpires during them either.  Is this not a problem.  If we don't even know when the 70th week begins, how can we know anything about the beginning, duration, end, and events of the 69 weeks? 

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« Reply #23 on: Fri Apr 09, 2010 - 20:24:21 »

   
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Just as Jesus stated, there would be wars and rumors of wars, but the END IS NOT YET.  These birthpain wars, will take up the first half of the 70th week, climaxing midweek, when we witness "arms" standing on behalf of the King of the North, stopping the sacrifices (daniel 11:31).  This will be the climax of the Ezekiel 38 war.  It is no coincidence, the next set of events that is Described in daniel 11, is the 42 month reign of the False Messiah.  This will make up the second half of the 70th week.

Seems like you are saying from the above, that we do not know when the 70th week will begin, and then of course, know nothing of when it will end.  Of course this would also mean, that we have no idea regarding the beginning or end of the the preceding 69 weeks.  Thus also, must not have any idea of what transpires during them either.  Is this not a problem.  If we don't even know when the 70th week begins, how can we know anything about the beginning, duration, end, and events of the 69 weeks? 
Hi Amo
You Bring up some very logical questions that I think can be very easily addressed with scripture.  It is our nature to want to have that "black and white"  One defining event that would tell us the final time period has begun.   The majority of the Christian community are all waiting for some form of seven year  "treaty" or "agreement" to be signed between Israel, and the future "antichrist".  The problem is, Is this what Jesus told us what to look for in matthew 24?  We have all the answers before us.   Jesus told us to look for many coming in His name saying he IS the messiah, decieving many.  These are nothing but Wolves in Sheep clothing, deceiving all, because they themselves have already been decieved.  Next is the wars and rumors of wars...famines pestilences and earthquakes in diverse places.  But the end is NOT YET.
THERE IS ONE EVENT JESUS TOLD US TO lOOK FOR THAT WILL BEGIN A TIME OF TROUBLE SUCH AS WAS NOT SINCE THE BREGINNING OF THE WORLD.  That being the abomination of desolation.
The point I am trying to make, is Jesus NEVER TOLD US TO LOOK FOR SOME TYPE OF SEVEN YEAR PEACE DEAL that would begin the final seven years.
There is a danger. A hidden danger that very few realize.  Say for instance we witnessed some form of  "deal made between Israel and "whoever".  Say its a seven year 'transition" that leads to Statehood for the Palestinians..... Would this  be the deal, everyone is looking for, or should we look for another?   How will we know the difference?
Here is a scenario I want you to consider. Israel has worked out a deal with the Palestinians.  In this deal, palestinians get statehood, in exchange for allowing Israel to rebuild their temple.   This infuriates the Islamic World. This also infuriates the Lord, for this is nothing but a slap in His face, and a total rejection of What Christ did on the cross. (read Amos 5:20, this shows our Fathers heart attitude towards the sacrifices being restarted at the end of the age) The Lords response to this, is He puts "hooks in the jaws" of this Islamic world, corrects his children,  and brings them against the mountians of Israel.   We have the climax of the Ezekiel 38 war.
What have we just witnessed Here?  The perfect "seven Year Lie"!!!  The Chuirch now has  their "7 year tribulation period" they have been looking for.  But is it?    WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS ACCEPT THE FIRST HALF OF THE TRUE SEVENTIETH WEEK,  The wars and rumors of wars AS THE LAST HALF OF A GREATER SEVEN YEAR PERIOD, that will be accepted as the seven year period, they are looking for.  And if it were possable, even the elect will be decieved!!!! Selah!!

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« Reply #24 on: Fri Apr 09, 2010 - 20:50:18 »
Something else to consider Amo,
You are asking the very same question, the disciples asked Jesus, "what shall be the "sign" of your coming?  Today's Christian community says it is some form of 7 year peace deal.   The Word of God states it will  be when we see the "face" of the Lord sitting on the throne, at the climax of the ezekiel 38 war.  At this point in time, we will have only the reign of the false messiah, 42 months till the Lord returns. Not being a date setter, Just the "season!"

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« Reply #25 on: Fri Apr 09, 2010 - 21:28:30 »
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Hi Amo You Bring up some very logical questions that I think can be very easily addressed with scripture.  It is our nature to want to have that "black and white"  One defining event that would tell us the final time period has begun.   The majority of the Christian community are all waiting for some form of seven year  "treaty" or "agreement" to be signed between Israel, and the future "antichrist".  The problem is, Is this what Jesus told us what to look for in matthew 24?  We have all the answers before us.   Jesus told us to look for many coming in His name saying he IS the messiah, decieving many.  These are nothing but Wolves in Sheep clothing, deceiving all, because they themselves have already been decieved.  Next is the wars and rumors of wars...famines pestilences and earthquakes in diverse places.  But the end is NOT YET.  THERE IS ONE EVENT JESUS TOLD US TO lOOK FOR THAT WILL BEGIN A TIME OF TROUBLE SUCH AS WAS NOT SINCE THE BREGINNING OF THE WORLD.  That being the abomination of desolation.  The point I am trying to make, is Jesus NEVER TOLD US TO LOOK FOR SOME TYPE OF SEVEN YEAR PEACE DEAL that would begin the final seven years.  There is a danger. A hidden danger that very few realize.  Say for instance we witnessed some form of  "deal made between Israel and "whoever".  Say its a seven year 'transition" that leads to Statehood for the Palestinians..... Would this  be the deal, everyone is looking for, or should we look for another?   How will we know the difference?  Here is a scenario I want you to consider. Israel has worked out a deal with the Palestinians.  In this deal, palestinians get statehood, in exchange for allowing Israel to rebuild their temple.   This infuriates the Islamic World. This also infuriates the Lord, for this is nothing but a slap in His face, and a total rejection of What Christ did on the cross. (read Amos 5:20, this shows our Fathers heart attitude towards the sacrifices being restarted at the end of the age) The Lords response to this, is He puts "hooks in the jaws" of this Islamic world, corrects his children,  and brings them against the mountians of Israel.   We have the climax of the Ezekiel 38 war. What have we just witnessed Here?  The perfect "seven Year Lie"!!!  The Chuirch now has  their "7 year tribulation period" they have been looking for.  But is it?    WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS ACCEPT THE FIRST HALF OF THE TRUE SEVENTIETH WEEK,  The wars and rumors of wars AS THE LAST HALF OF A GREATER SEVEN YEAR PERIOD, that will be accepted as the seven year period, they are looking for.  And if it were possable, even the elect will be decieved!!!! Selah!!

We may agree upon one thing, I do not believe in a seven year period at the end of time which is supposedly the 70th week of the biblical prophecy of the book of Daniel chapter nine.  This is part of the gap theory of the futurist interpretation of biblical prophecy.  The first 69 weeks already took place in the distant past, but the 70th week will not occur until some distant unknowable future date.  The prophetic scriptures of Daniel nine give no indication of some huge indefinite gap between the 69th and 70th weeks of the said prophecy.

Why use weekly cycles in regard to specific time, if the prophecy is in fact about a long period of time which no one can determine until after all of the events in the prophecy have taken place.  What would the weeks then represent when all was fulfilled?  If the first 69 weeks have a definite fulfillment in the past, and represent a specific amount of time in relation to the same, then the 70th week should also represent the same amount of time, and should logically follow immediately after the 69 weeks, just as the 69 consecutive weeks did before it.  Where do people come up with the idea that the 70th week is separate from the rest in both time and scope?

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« Reply #26 on: Sun Apr 11, 2010 - 14:07:24 »
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Hi Amo You Bring up some very logical questions that I think can be very easily addressed with scripture.  It is our nature to want to have that "black and white"  One defining event that would tell us the final time period has begun.   The majority of the Christian community are all waiting for some form of seven year  "treaty" or "agreement" to be signed between Israel, and the future "antichrist".  The problem is, Is this what Jesus told us what to look for in matthew 24?  We have all the answers before us.   Jesus told us to look for many coming in His name saying he IS the messiah, decieving many.  These are nothing but Wolves in Sheep clothing, deceiving all, because they themselves have already been decieved.  Next is the wars and rumors of wars...famines pestilences and earthquakes in diverse places.  But the end is NOT YET.  THERE IS ONE EVENT JESUS TOLD US TO lOOK FOR THAT WILL BEGIN A TIME OF TROUBLE SUCH AS WAS NOT SINCE THE BREGINNING OF THE WORLD.  That being the abomination of desolation.  The point I am trying to make, is Jesus NEVER TOLD US TO LOOK FOR SOME TYPE OF SEVEN YEAR PEACE DEAL that would begin the final seven years.  There is a danger. A hidden danger that very few realize.  Say for instance we witnessed some form of  "deal made between Israel and "whoever".  Say its a seven year 'transition" that leads to Statehood for the Palestinians..... Would this  be the deal, everyone is looking for, or should we look for another?   How will we know the difference?  Here is a scenario I want you to consider. Israel has worked out a deal with the Palestinians.  In this deal, palestinians get statehood, in exchange for allowing Israel to rebuild their temple.   This infuriates the Islamic World. This also infuriates the Lord, for this is nothing but a slap in His face, and a total rejection of What Christ did on the cross. (read Amos 5:20, this shows our Fathers heart attitude towards the sacrifices being restarted at the end of the age) The Lords response to this, is He puts "hooks in the jaws" of this Islamic world, corrects his children,  and brings them against the mountians of Israel.   We have the climax of the Ezekiel 38 war. What have we just witnessed Here?  The perfect "seven Year Lie"!!!  The Chuirch now has  their "7 year tribulation period" they have been looking for.  But is it?    WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS ACCEPT THE FIRST HALF OF THE TRUE SEVENTIETH WEEK,  The wars and rumors of wars AS THE LAST HALF OF A GREATER SEVEN YEAR PERIOD, that will be accepted as the seven year period, they are looking for.  And if it were possable, even the elect will be decieved!!!! Selah!!

We may agree upon one thing, I do not believe in a seven year period at the end of time which is supposedly the 70th week of the biblical prophecy of the book of Daniel chapter nine.  This is part of the gap theory of the futurist interpretation of biblical prophecy.  The first 69 weeks already took place in the distant past, but the 70th week will not occur until some distant unknowable future date.  The prophetic scriptures of Daniel nine give no indication of some huge indefinite gap between the 69th and 70th weeks of the said prophecy.

Why use weekly cycles in regard to specific time, if the prophecy is in fact about a long period of time which no one can determine until after all of the events in the prophecy have taken place.  What would the weeks then represent when all was fulfilled?  If the first 69 weeks have a definite fulfillment in the past, and represent a specific amount of time in relation to the same, then the 70th week should also represent the same amount of time, and should logically follow immediately after the 69 weeks, just as the 69 consecutive weeks did before it.  Where do people come up with the idea that the 70th week is separate from the rest in both time and scope?
Hi Amo,
You are partly correct!   If we are true to God's word, specificlly  the Book of revelation, there is only the length of ONE  TIME period discussed concerning the end of the age.  This time period is described as  Forty two months (Rev. 11:2) , A "times, times and half a time (Rev. 12:14) and  Forty two months (Rev. 13:5).  The events described  Prior to these three Chapters don't give enough info to draw a concllusion concerning the actual timing, and   order of events.  ALL we can conclude, is the seals and first six trumpets all occur prior to the 42 month reign of the False Messiah.   WE DO read that man will be tormented Five months, by those being let loose in the fifth seal.  However, this five months could very well be the first five months of the reign of the false messiah.
I believe that it is His first five months.  This is one of the ways he will cause all to take the  mark.  Those that have the "Seal of God" will be going through this untouched.  What would a better way be to force one to swear allegience to you?   Create incredible pain and suffering on a people, Claiming  that it is the wrath of God, then Give them an out! "come and recieve the "seal of God on your forehead," so none of my "judgement"  comes upon you!!!  Think about it!!!!
It is after this 42 month period, we witness the 144,000 with Christ, and the Harvests occur. The day of the Lord then begins. 

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« Reply #27 on: Mon Apr 12, 2010 - 20:54:38 »
FROM WHAT I READ, THE STRONG DELUSION IS THAT WHEN SATAN TAKES OVER THE CHURCH AND PEOPLE STAY IN THERE AND CONTINUE TO WORSHIP; THEY WILL BE UNDER THE STRONG DELUSION OF THINKING THAT THEY ARE WORSHIPING CHRIST WHEN IN ALL HELL THEY ARE WORSHIPING THE FALSE DOCTRINES OF SATAN. ::bowing::
It is because Satan comes as an angel of light and they cannot see it, and because they do not take the time to see through it, God gives them over to the lie they serve. ::prayinghard::

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« Reply #28 on: Wed Apr 14, 2010 - 09:28:11 »
FROM WHAT I READ, THE STRONG DELUSION IS THAT WHEN SATAN TAKES OVER THE CHURCH AND PEOPLE STAY IN THERE AND CONTINUE TO WORSHIP; THEY WILL BE UNDER THE STRONG DELUSION OF THINKING THAT THEY ARE WORSHIPING CHRIST WHEN IN ALL HELL THEY ARE WORSHIPING THE FALSE DOCTRINES OF SATAN. ::bowing::
It is because Satan comes as an angel of light and they cannot see it, and because they do not take the time to see through it, God gives them over to the lie they serve. ::prayinghard::
Greeting Blu in Jesus name!
Agreed!  We cannot even contemplate how end time events unfold, unless we have a full understanding what our adversary is working towards.  We can get into his "heart" in Isaiah 14.
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Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven O lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! FOR THOU HAST SAID IN THINE HEART,  I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne  above the stars of God: I WILL SIT ALSO UPON THE MOUNT OF THE CONGREGATION, IN THE SIDES OF THE NORTH; I will ascend ABOVE the heights of the clouds: I will be like (resemble) the most high. 
Satan has an "I" problem!!!  He wants to sit upon the mount of the congregation..... Well, who is the congregation????  We are!!!   His Number one goal is not to destroy the the church, but to seduce it away for His own!!!!   He will however, destroy any that gets in His way of Seduction!!!  He wants to be the "head" over the body of Christ, a place reserved for Jesus alone!!!!   He doesn't care how he gets there, as long as he obtains it. 
There is something Lucifer is after, that only the Chruch can give Him...Worship!  He wants to be worshipped AS GOD!!!!  He will sacrifice all to obtain this.  He will make the church the same offer he made to Jesus in the wilderness, "bow down and worship me, and I will give you all the kingdoms of the World."  UNfortunately many are going to buy into this "deal you cannot refuse".
There will be three types of People on earth when the strong delusion occurs.  The first will be those who will understand exactly what is occuring, when the event occurs.  The second group will be those who have heard the Truth, but  because they loved not the truth, God has sent them strong delusion.  The Last group will be those who have not heard the Gospel as of yet.  What few realize, that authority is given to Satan to rule by the people who have the authority today!   By accepting Him as the returned messiah, the seduced church will unknowingly be giving the authority to Satan to rule,  that Christ has given the Church!!!  Who  gives satan the power to rule???  Those that will submitt to him! 

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« Reply #29 on: Wed Apr 14, 2010 - 18:20:23 »
From what I read, the strong delusion is...








...working overtime.

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« Reply #30 on: Wed Apr 14, 2010 - 21:22:19 »
From what I read, the strong delusion is...








...working overtime.
Hmmmmmm.......
SO I guess we should read II thess 2:10 to say, "and for this cause God shall send them  extra overtime hours, that they believe a lie.......
Hmmmm. Interesting!

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« Reply #31 on: Sun Apr 18, 2010 - 11:12:19 »
  The "strong delusion" the Lord HImself sends, is a part of Prophetic scripture, very few today even consider.  Very few realize how powerful this event will be.
How would you take a totally Godless society, one who has rejected God, and His way of Salvation through Christ, and drive them to  a point that they will actually Worship that which is false?
  The purpose of the final seven year period will be to finish the great commision of the preaching of the Gospel.  The Lord will be confirming His covenant with many during this Seven year period.  I always wondered How the Lord would  seperate those who have heard the gospel but rejected it, from those who never have..... This is what the strong delusion will do.

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« Reply #32 on: Sun Apr 18, 2010 - 13:57:47 »
  The "strong delusion" the Lord HImself sends, is a part of Prophetic scripture, very few today even consider.  Very few realize how powerful this event will be.
How would you take a totally Godless society, one who has rejected God, and His way of Salvation through Christ, and drive them to  a point that they will actually Worship that which is false?
  The purpose of the final seven year period will be to finish the great commision of the preaching of the Gospel.  The Lord will be confirming His covenant with many during this Seven year period.  I always wondered How the Lord would  seperate those who have heard the gospel but rejected it, from those who never have..... This is what the strong delusion will do.

WHAT 7 YEARS ARE YOU BABBLING ABOUT?

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« Reply #33 on: Sun Apr 18, 2010 - 14:30:19 »
FROM WHAT I READ, THE STRONG DELUSION IS THAT WHEN SATAN TAKES OVER THE CHURCH AND PEOPLE STAY IN THERE AND CONTINUE TO WORSHIP; THEY WILL BE UNDER THE STRONG DELUSION OF THINKING THAT THEY ARE WORSHIPING CHRIST WHEN IN ALL HELL THEY ARE WORSHIPING THE FALSE DOCTRINES OF SATAN. ::bowing::
It is because Satan comes as an angel of light and they cannot see it, and because they do not take the time to see through it, God gives them over to the lie they serve. ::prayinghard::
Greeting Blu in Jesus name!
Agreed!  We cannot even contemplate how end time events unfold, unless we have a full understanding what our adversary is working towards.  We can get into his "heart" in Isaiah 14.
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Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven O lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! FOR THOU HAST SAID IN THINE HEART,  I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne  above the stars of God: I WILL SIT ALSO UPON THE MOUNT OF THE CONGREGATION, IN THE SIDES OF THE NORTH; I will ascend ABOVE the heights of the clouds: I will be like (resemble) the most high. 
Satan has an "I" problem!!!  He wants to sit upon the mount of the congregation..... Well, who is the congregation????  We are!!!   His Number one goal is not to destroy the the church, but to seduce it away for His own!!!!   He will however, destroy any that gets in His way of Seduction!!!  He wants to be the "head" over the body of Christ, a place reserved for Jesus alone!!!!   He doesn't care how he gets there, as long as he obtains it. 
There is something Lucifer is after, that only the Chruch can give Him...Worship!  He wants to be worshipped AS GOD!!!!  He will sacrifice all to obtain this.  He will make the church the same offer he made to Jesus in the wilderness, "bow down and worship me, and I will give you all the kingdoms of the World."  UNfortunately many are going to buy into this "deal you cannot refuse".
There will be three types of People on earth when the strong delusion occurs.  The first will be those who will understand exactly what is occuring, when the event occurs.  The second group will be those who have heard the Truth, but  because they loved not the truth, God has sent them strong delusion.  The Last group will be those who have not heard the Gospel as of yet.  What few realize, that authority is given to Satan to rule by the people who have the authority today!   By accepting Him as the returned messiah, the seduced church will unknowingly be giving the authority to Satan to rule,  that Christ has given the Church!!!  Who  gives satan the power to rule???  Those that will submitt to him! 

You are correct in your estimation of people. I word it differ; True believers - false believers - and those who still need salvation.
But I am wondering how you interpret  year tribulation as I have been taught it is 23 years beginning at 1988, and we are from today, only 13 months and 3 days from the rapture and judgment day which will occur 5 months before the end of the world in total fire.

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Re: The Strong Delusion
« Reply #34 on: Sun Apr 18, 2010 - 16:31:06 »
The LIE has been here since the death of the Lord. It was the same one that the guards told for which they were  paid. It is the same one that dan brown has told to the world.

Mt 28:11 Now while they were going, behold, some of the guard came into the city, and told unto the chief priests all the things that were come to pass.
Mt 28:12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave much money unto the soldiers,
Mt 28:13 saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.
Mt 28:14 And if this come to the governor`s ears, we will persuade him, and rid you of care.
Mt 28:15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying was spread abroad among the Jews, [and continueth] until this day.