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Offline Britt333

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The Two Witnesses
« on: Wed Mar 24, 2010 - 13:16:49 »
Well this is a video that i found on youtube while looking stuff up about the two witnesses in the last day, its a little slow but it really hit the nail on the head for me.....What do you guys think about this video and do you have anything else to add?


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WttTpbYzmA&feature=sub[/youtube]

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The Two Witnesses
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Re: The Two Witnesses
« Reply #1 on: Wed Mar 24, 2010 - 19:18:26 »
Well this is a video that i found on youtube while looking stuff up about the two witnesses in the last day, its a little slow but it really hit the nail on the head for me.....What do you guys think about this video and do you have anything else to add?


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WttTpbYzmA&feature=sub[/youtube]

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i believe too that the 2 witnesses are 2 called out assemblies

i'm not sure though that they represent the entire body of believers, but maybe just part of it
the reason being in zechariah there are the 2 olive branches (part of the tree)
and in revelation there are seven churches, and maybe these 2 are of these seven, not the entire body
also it seems strange that they would ALL be destroyed (the whole worlds believers),suddenly at the close of 1260 days
it seems that while they are testifying no harm comes to them, but believers are being killed by the beast
on the other hand when reading closely rev says that when they finish they're testimony the beast makes war on them - and on the saints
but how long after they're testimony?
i believe that during the 42 months of the beast they're testimony is already finished and they are being killed over this 42 month period
this 42 month period is before the 7th trumpet

 





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Re: The Two Witnesses
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Re: The Two Witnesses
« Reply #2 on: Thu Mar 25, 2010 - 05:38:09 »
Britt333,

So, I 've heard this before: that Israel and the Church are the Two Witnesses and Peace is already here. The Judahists believe Jesus ain't comin' back; everything's fine, expend your wealth, etc...

In my opinion, people are STILL dying to know this man, Jesus! So, therfore; He -WILL!-Return because God does not do a half-job, He finishes the jobs that He starts.

But, I'm a ruthless idiot. I have no answers. I speak mostly from the heart, but the Bible says, "Those who speak from the heart, are deceived" -Not Quoted

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OK, I've been reading it wrong. Jesus holds the key, but the Angel of Philadelphia is not Jesus. Sorry, I'm a slow learner. I'm not claiming to be Jesus, people!

In English Gematria:

We know 'Lampstand' is a Church, OK?

The City of Leiscerbette is a Lampstand = 3168 "Lord Jesus Christ" & 528 "The Key"
Lord Jesus Christ will begin His Reign in Leiscerbette = 3168 & 528

"I will write on him my new name" quoting jesus
"I hold the keys of hades and death" -quoting jesus

Jesus is now Burlik Voln Gharst = 2178
The one having the keys to the heavens = 2178

The name is Burlik Voln Gharst = 1818, The one who performs miracles = 1818, In him there is no darkness at all = 1818, The consciousness of jesus = 1818....

"I will write the name of the new jerusalem, the city of my god" - quoting jesus

He who is Leiscerbette = 1818, He who is the Leiscerbettian King = 1818, Leiscerbettian King = 1818

The key that opens all doors = 1998, The City of Leicerbette = 1998, God names the new city, 'Leiscerbette' = 1998, The one who was Crucified = 1998..

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Re: The Two Witnesses
« Reply #3 on: Thu Mar 25, 2010 - 13:21:59 »
So these two witnesses come, and try and tell the world about jesus right?  But the world ignores them.  And then when the Beast he destroyes them.  The rest of the world is thrilled about this news and gives everyone gifts, but three days later the witnesses are brought back to life by GOD.   

If the Church and Isreal are the two witnesses does that mean that the beast (who also gives the mark..?) will defeat christianity for a short time?  There are a lot of belivers and maybe it is possible to have something happen like in WWII with the nazi camps...Will this beasty dude be the same person to give out the mark and get rid of the people who represent Jesus Christ?

Im a big conspiracy theory bug and really it makes sence that way, maybe we are trying to look too indeep to the problem when like in math the answer is something rather straight forward?

I studied the book of revelations for a school module last year and it really made no sence at all, then I watched this video about the two witnesses and it was like the missing peice to the puzzle....

But like Ralph said "I speak mostly from the heart, but the Bible says, "Those who speak from the heart, are deceived" -Not Quoted"

or am i missing the point?

 ::shrug::

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Re: The Two Witnesses
« Reply #4 on: Thu Mar 25, 2010 - 14:02:58 »


I studied the book of revelations for a school module last year and it really made no sence at all, then I watched this video about the two witnesses and it was like the missing peice to the puzzle....

But like Ralph said "I speak mostly from the heart, but the Bible says, "Those who speak from the heart, are deceived" -Not Quoted"

or am i missing the point?

 ::shrug::

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Yes. The world is so twisted by evil that it is VERY possible that -as you say: Antichrist will claim 'Partial' Victory over Christ.
No. You have not missed the point.
DEAD ON

PS_ Great Video. Powerful. I am a slow reader and I hate the fast changes between frames.

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Re: The Two Witnesses
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Re: The Two Witnesses
« Reply #5 on: Thu Mar 25, 2010 - 15:41:40 »
nice video. But they dont preach during antichrists reign, but on his attempt for world domination. Their deaths come in the middle of the 70th week, then antichrist rises to power for the last 1260 days of this planets history. The witnesses are the jewish remnant...they witness before the time of the end begins, they are slain but rise again, at last trumpet 3.5 years later....
The whole thing last 7 years from begining to end

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Re: The Two Witnesses
« Reply #6 on: Thu Mar 25, 2010 - 22:35:17 »
nice video. But they dont preach during antichrists reign, but on his attempt for world domination. Their deaths come in the middle of the 70th week, then antichrist rises to power for the last 1260 days of this planets history. The witnesses are the jewish remnant...they witness before the time of the end begins, they are slain but rise again, at last trumpet 3.5 years later....
The whole thing last 7 years from begining to end

not exactly i believe
they're deaths begin at that time but and are completed at an unknown time, it's unlikely they are all killed instantly the very day after they're testimony, although probably not long afterwards
although the reign of the beast will be 42 months, the tribulation of the saints will be slightly cut short, hence jesus words about those days being shortened, and not knowing the day or hour
i believe this will be a time of so called "peace", for the unbelievers, because the  powerful witnesses have been killed by "messiah", who will in reality be the antichrist
then after the resurrection and 7th trumpet destruction suddenly takes over the earth




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« Reply #7 on: Fri Mar 26, 2010 - 00:42:22 »
Read the Bible account in Revelation........they preach for 1260 days only, then they are killed off. Then, in Revelation 13 and 17 we see the wild beast rising, but his reign is short lived, 1260 days only......Like Christ, they preach for 3.5 years, then are cut off in the middle of the week, but the last and 70th one, then sacrifice and worship stops as the Antichrist/wild beast ascends to supreme control (Daniel 9:27, 12:11a). The worship comes to its end 30 days before these two are slain. This could be the time the 2300 evenings and mornings begin. Then 3.5 years later, just as Antichrist is about to declare himself God, he hears reports from the east and from the north, these being of the two witnesses come back, and of the remnant who are the shining ones.....the revealing of the true sons of God. Then he comes to his end with no helper for him.
On seeing the two witnesses again, those seeing them fall faint out of fear for what is about to come upon the earth.............the immediate return of Christ and Armageddon.

The two witnesses declare the last pronouncements of God, along with powerful works, which denote that the kingdom of God is very near at hand.

We could be very near that time now, near the time of the beginning of the last 7 years of mankind's rulership on this earth.

And Glen, there is going to be no peace for no one. It is a time of Geo political chaos and war. 1/4 of the worlds population are eradicated in the time of the two witnesses. This is very serious. Human life is at its most perilous time.

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Six-Seals-to-Seventh-Trumpet

Destruction does come, and it just begins from Trumpet 1, which could be 21 months into the wild beasts reign, and is completed at TRUMPET 7. The plagues in Egypt were also over a longer period of time, we dont know how long, until pharoh gave in.

But, there is no peace for no one Glen..............you, me, a lot of people are going to die...........it will be no time for Christians, as it will then be a world where God and his Christ are overwhelmingly rejected.......in favour of the new world religion which comes with antichrists new world order............in daniel 11 we read of how at that point the king will do as he pleases, he will even worship a god not even his fathers nor his forefathers knew, and we read of this worship in revelation 13:15-18. The beast has two horns, "appears" christ like, but speaks of a dragon.....this is not a new concept, but religion will be one of the legs of the stool used to get the antichrist to power.........we should begin to see all these things very soon....

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« Reply #8 on: Fri Mar 26, 2010 - 04:23:13 »
nice video. But they dont preach during antichrists reign, but on his attempt for world domination. Their deaths come in the middle of the 70th week, then antichrist rises to power for the last 1260 days of this planets history. The witnesses are the jewish remnant...they witness before the time of the end begins, they are slain but rise again, at last trumpet 3.5 years later....
The whole thing last 7 years from begining to end

THe 70th Week could already be close. For ye should hear why!


In English Gematria:

Leiscerbette = Bella loves me
Bella is a Prophetess = 1212
The one who is Isabella = 1212

Here are the visions of Bella!

Bella = 192

1260 days x 192  = 241,920

Cer International Coordinates equal to 241,920 when only single digits are multiplied. They sell RFID and show ALL SEEING EYE **see link @ username?**

"For Forty-Two Months the Holy City will be Trampled" - Not Quoted

June 22 2008 = 42 months to December 21, 2012 (Mayan Prophet Arrives to Judge World)
June 22 2008 = 192 Days Remain

X = First Coming
X = Second Coming

English Gematria Letter X = 144
Standard Letter X = 24

144 (X) times (X) = 3456
3456 x 70th week = 241,920

Le Bette + IS CER = The Swiss Gatherer is Cer
Switzeland: Home of Doomsday Seedvault. They are 'Gathering' Seed because of CER "Carbon Emission Reduction" / Global Warming Fraud

There are many of Christians whom are waking to their Calling (some never read the bible in their lifetimes). God is mysterious and loves all whom are good.

PS- Hebrew Gemtria: 'Pillars' = 174 .....June 22 2008 = 174th Day.. Two Witnesses = II




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Re: The Two Witnesses
« Reply #9 on: Fri Mar 26, 2010 - 08:48:43 »
Read the Bible account in Revelation........they preach for 1260 days only, then they are killed off. Then, in Revelation 13 and 17 we see the wild beast rising, but his reign is short lived, 1260 days only......Like Christ, they preach for 3.5 years, then are cut off in the middle of the week, but the last and 70th one, then sacrifice and worship stops as the Antichrist/wild beast ascends to supreme control (Daniel 9:27, 12:11a). The worship comes to its end 30 days before these two are slain. This could be the time the 2300 evenings and mornings begin. Then 3.5 years later, just as Antichrist is about to declare himself God, he hears reports from the east and from the north, these being of the two witnesses come back, and of the remnant who are the shining ones.....the revealing of the true sons of God. Then he comes to his end with no helper for him.
On seeing the two witnesses again, those seeing them fall faint out of fear for what is about to come upon the earth.............the immediate return of Christ and Armageddon.

The two witnesses declare the last pronouncements of God, along with powerful works, which denote that the kingdom of God is very near at hand.

We could be very near that time now, near the time of the beginning of the last 7 years of mankind's rulership on this earth.

And Glen, there is going to be no peace for no one. It is a time of Geo political chaos and war. 1/4 of the worlds population are eradicated in the time of the two witnesses. This is very serious. Human life is at its most perilous time.

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Six-Seals-to-Seventh-Trumpet

Destruction does come, and it just begins from Trumpet 1, which could be 21 months into the wild beasts reign, and is completed at TRUMPET 7. The plagues in Egypt were also over a longer period of time, we dont know how long, until pharoh gave in.

But, there is no peace for no one Glen..............you, me, a lot of people are going to die...........it will be no time for Christians, as it will then be a world where God and his Christ are overwhelmingly rejected.......in favour of the new world religion which comes with antichrists new world order............in daniel 11 we read of how at that point the king will do as he pleases, he will even worship a god not even his fathers nor his forefathers knew, and we read of this worship in revelation 13:15-18. The beast has two horns, "appears" christ like, but speaks of a dragon.....this is not a new concept, but religion will be one of the legs of the stool used to get the antichrist to power.........we should begin to see all these things very soon....




it does say testify for 1260 days, but not when they are all killed. how long does it take to kill them?
i guess it depends on whether you believe they are 2 people or 2 groups
good point about christ cut off after 3.5 days, i might have to rethink what i'm thinking
i've even read an article about daniel 9:27 that says that prophecy even has a dual meaning, in the sense that it refers to christ historically and the beast in the future (sounds very odd i know)
i believe the 2300 is fulfilled already and unrelated to the future -   too many parallels with history, a lot of athiests have said this must have been written after antiochus because of it's accuracy
also it clearly describes a different beast to the 4th one

there is also jesus saying people will say "peace and safety"
if the beasts reign is after the 2 witnesses how can it be at th same time as 1st trumpet?

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« Reply #10 on: Fri Mar 26, 2010 - 12:10:40 »
hey glen, how goes it? hope you are fine.
peace and security..i have a few ideas about that one................there is silence in heaven for 1/2 hour, this being 21 months, then the trumpets begin to blow from 1-7, bringing their plagues with them.....so, will the Antichrist, think he has cracked it, and about 21 months into that reign give out that call, and then sudden destruction comes? why 21 months? because we know from rev 17 that the kings rule 1 hour with the beast, and we know that rule is for 3.5 years, or 42 months only.

So, 1/2 hour would logically mean 21 months, or 1/2 of his time to reign.

But, near the conclusion, Antichrist hears of reports from the north and the east, these undoubtedly, are about the return of the remnant, the last two witnesses, because when all see them again all faint out of fear for what is about to come. So, Anti goes off in a mad rage to devote many to destruction and then Antichrist declares him self God and sets himself up between the sea and the people in a last ditch attempt to deceive the many, only to come to his end with no helper as Christ arrives with all his angels at Armageddon. As regards Gods people, we may witness a red sea type scenario just before the conclusion when the last king pharaoh comes to his end.

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Re: The Two Witnesses
« Reply #11 on: Fri Mar 26, 2010 - 12:15:32 »
Glen his reign doesnt begin at the first trumpet............its between 6th and 7th seal, the destruction begins, it appears midway.....maybe when he has become cocky, then jehovah sends all the plagues to visit him. Either way glen, by the time antichrist reign has been completed, about 3/4 of the earth will have gone. So, when armageddon comes, there aint going to be much left to destroy.............and per head in comparison to angels, armageddon may only last about 8 seconds........i feel dread, feel sick at the prospect of not living through to Gods kingdom........sometimes it seems futile, but can only live in hope and pray.
best wishes glen

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« Reply #12 on: Fri Mar 26, 2010 - 13:39:08 »
http://hubpages.com/hub/144000-were-not-resurrected-in-1918

Sorry, but it was too long to post on here

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« Reply #13 on: Tue Mar 30, 2010 - 19:16:51 »
I have yet to understand why Christians automatically think that they are destine to be chosen as a witness. It's my understanding that all people will be against these two individuals, Christian and all others alike, therefore either they are real christians and all others are not or they are not christians at all. No seal or chain of events will define them until it is too late becasue they will not be siding or preaching what you want, what you find in the bible, and you will not find your guilt until they are dead. 

Let's remember Jesus broke all of Moses' commandments! And a Pharisee is he who follows the laws of Moses, and the Pharisee are Jewish as according to the KJ defintion in the back of the book. Therefore all who follow are claiming to be Jews, yet in truth are false Jews since they are not born as so, and those who are born as so are Jewish and not christian, therefore all have two masters.  Say what you will but these things are so and have until now never been discused with certainty. I am certain, and no gathering of scriptures can prove it wrong.