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Re: The United States in Bible Prophecy
« Reply #35 on: Sat Jan 16, 2010 - 16:02:22 »

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Kind of odd from some who believes that all Bible Prophecy as been fulfilled. Better double check the meaning of this sad Preterist view you promote.

rezar - What are you talking about? Your comment doesn't make sense & is baseless.

larry2 - Translated for you. The view you present is odd and sad.

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I would assume you do since you are never wrong and above us all here almighty one..............

rezar - You're the one who assumes. I assume nothing. Above all & almighty? Just how immature is too much? Stick to the topics. The smarter you are, the more objective you tend to be also. Emotions should not dominate. 

larry2 - Why are you getting excited if that is so?  ::smile::


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Translated for you. The view you present is odd and sad.

Correct.........

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Why are you getting excited if that is so?

Exactly, thank you.

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Re: The United States in Bible Prophecy
« Reply #36 on: Sat Jan 16, 2010 - 16:21:12 »
I didn't say we should act like we're dead larry2.
 Emotions can be good. Psyche 101. ::baby::

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« Reply #37 on: Sat Jan 16, 2010 - 16:42:36 »
Simple boys... there is no U.S. in prophecy.

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Re: The United States in Bible Prophecy
« Reply #38 on: Sun Jan 17, 2010 - 01:34:12 »
   For those of you who dont believe the US is mentioned in the Bible Prophecy, you need to study Ezekiel. Ezekiel chap. 38 talks of a war with Gog and Magog which will have Persia (Iran), Libya, ect... involved. I think you may need to consider what is happening right before our eyes. With all the trouble with Iran and these nuclear talks that seem to be going no where, I see things happening on the map. We (US) have been in the Middle East for a while now and we have readied ourselves for what I to believe will be this battle. Think for a moment about this: We (US) have troops in Iraq which is to the West of Iran, We (US) have troops in Aphganistan which is to the North of Iran, Now we (US) are moving more troops into Pakistan which is East of Iran, and we (US) have ship already in the Persan Gulf which is to the South of Iran. The Bible says that God will cause Gog to come down out of the north and go against his people. We all know Russia is in the north. Also known in Daniel 7:5 as the Bear with 3 ribs in his mouth.  Russia said if America or Israel started anything with Iran over there nuclear power plants they would back Iran. With that being said think about this for one moment; the UN is about to start more talks on the nuclear subject, Israel is getting ready to destroy the nuclear facilities, and America is surrounding Iran with ground forces. If you don't think prophesy is still coming out the Bible then give it time and you will see it with your own eyes. PS. I say this cause it was prophesied that Jesus would rapture the church ,so, if you dont believe in prophesy then you will still be around to see it happen.
   

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Re: The United States in Bible Prophecy
« Reply #39 on: Sun Jan 17, 2010 - 10:07:46 »
   For those of you who dont believe the US is mentioned in the Bible Prophecy, you need to study Ezekiel. Ezekiel chap. 38 talks of a war with Gog and Magog which will have Persia (Iran), Libya, ect... involved. I think you may need to consider what is happening right before our eyes. With all the trouble with Iran and these nuclear talks that seem to be going no where, I see things happening on the map. We (US) have been in the Middle East for a while now and we have readied ourselves for what I to believe will be this battle. Think for a moment about this: We (US) have troops in Iraq which is to the West of Iran, We (US) have troops in Aphganistan which is to the North of Iran, Now we (US) are moving more troops into Pakistan which is East of Iran, and we (US) have ship already in the Persan Gulf which is to the South of Iran. The Bible says that God will cause Gog to come down out of the north and go against his people. We all know Russia is in the north. Also known in Daniel 7:5 as the Bear with 3 ribs in his mouth.  Russia said if America or Israel started anything with Iran over there nuclear power plants they would back Iran. With that being said think about this for one moment; the UN is about to start more talks on the nuclear subject, Israel is getting ready to destroy the nuclear facilities, and America is surrounding Iran with ground forces. If you don't think prophesy is still coming out the Bible then give it time and you will see it with your own eyes. PS. I say this cause it was prophesied that Jesus would rapture the church ,so, if you dont believe in prophesy then you will still be around to see it happen.
   

If there is any mention or relevence to the US in prophecy its going to start in Rev 13, this describes the papacy rise to power, in verse 10 it closes with a description of the Popes capture in 1798.

Rev 13:10  He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

The John sees another of the beasts:

Rev 13:11  And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Now you gotta be careful here. The first beast rose up up out of the water, while the second one rose up out of the earth now if you know anything about the symbology of Revelations, water symbolizes people and nations you can see this for yourself in Rev 17:15. This second beast would signify a nation rising in some area of the world where no one had existed before.

The Second beast has been identified as the US simply because it was the only nation coming to power at that time. The Constitution was voted on and ratified in 1787, our BIll of Rights was adopted in 1791, secondly in 1798 it was the US that was first recognized as a world power.

Theres a lot more to this but it is pure speculation on the part of many Theologians that this second beast is the US. 

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Re: The United States in Bible Prophecy
« Reply #40 on: Mon Jan 18, 2010 - 19:39:15 »
Paul was in a race; why suffer if it's all concluded?

Philippians 3:8  Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

Philippians 3:12  Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

Philippians 3:13  Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

Philippians 3:14  I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
 
Evidently the following verses were only good until 70 AD, and all rewards were passed out at that time? What day is Paul talking of?

2 Timothy 4:7  I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

2 Timothy 4:8  Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

BTW - When was the last enemy death destroyed?


Larry 2

Seems like we've been through this before. ::frown:: No one Jesus, Peter, Paul, or any of the 1st Century writers ever said this Christian like would be easy. Jesus told Peter the kind of death he would eventually suffer yet said, "Follow Me." From the very first of Paul's new life in Christ what do we see; "For I will show him how much he must suffer for My sake." We find Paul telling the church at Philippi that "It had been granted for Christ's sake , not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Paul told the Roman Church they (we as well) are "Heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ IF in we suffer with Him so that we also may be glorified with Him." And on and on we could go. The writer of Hebrews tells us that God "In bring many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through suffering."

Jesus the Son of God's love, the One God was well pleased with learned obedience through the things He endured for our sakes, and Paul in knowing and understanding the "Finished Work of Christ' gladly endured his suffering that he might share with Him.

Paul wrote "That God has gives us "THE victory through our Lord Jesus Christ" in ! Cor. 15: 57. Paul helps us to grasp this in Romans when he tells his readers "Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Just as it is written. For Your sake we are being put to death all day long; We are considered as sheep to be slaughtered!" In Paul's day and in many nations today this is the norm for Christians, they suffer for Christ's sake, so Paul goes on to say "BUT IN ALL THESE THINGS we overwhelming conquer through Him Who loved us." Because of the finished work of Christ we can walk out this Christian life. If we can but see ourselves as seated with God the Father in heavenly places IN Christ, how much smaller will our earthly problems seem? If we like Paul learned to depend up His all-sufficient grace then we also like Paul can say "I glory in my weakness that the power of Christ may dwell in me."

Consider one last verse that most all of us quote but maybe really don't understand. "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, Who loved me and gave His self for me." If your IN Christ death has been defeated, His resurrection life lives in you and even if you die you merely shed this earth suit and are present with the Lord. Paul could run his race knowing these things are true and that no matter what he faced God's grace was enough. We today, the same as they, overcome by the "Blood of the Lamb and word of our testimony." Our testimony is of course Christ.


 



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Re: The United States in Bible Prophecy
« Reply #41 on: Mon Jan 18, 2010 - 21:07:08 »
Paul was in a race; why suffer if it's all concluded?

Philippians 3:8  Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

Philippians 3:12  Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

Philippians 3:13  Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

Philippians 3:14  I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
 
Evidently the following verses were only good until 70 AD, and all rewards were passed out at that time? What day is Paul talking of?

2 Timothy 4:7  I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

2 Timothy 4:8  Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

BTW - When was the last enemy death destroyed?


Larry 2

Seems like we've been through this before. ::frown:: No one Jesus, Peter, Paul, or any of the 1st Century writers ever said this Christian like would be easy. Jesus told Peter the kind of death he would eventually suffer yet said, "Follow Me." From the very first of Paul's new life in Christ what do we see; "For I will show him how much he must suffer for My sake." We find Paul telling the church at Philippi that "It had been granted for Christ's sake , not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Paul told the Roman Church they (we as well) are "Heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ IF in we suffer with Him so that we also may be glorified with Him." And on and on we could go. The writer of Hebrews tells us that God "In bring many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through suffering."

Jesus the Son of God's love, the One God was well pleased with learned obedience through the things He endured for our sakes, and Paul in knowing and understanding the "Finished Work of Christ' gladly endured his suffering that he might share with Him.

Paul wrote "That God has gives us "THE victory through our Lord Jesus Christ" in ! Cor. 15: 57. Paul helps us to grasp this in Romans when he tells his readers "Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Just as it is written. For Your sake we are being put to death all day long; We are considered as sheep to be slaughtered!" In Paul's day and in many nations today this is the norm for Christians, they suffer for Christ's sake, so Paul goes on to say "BUT IN ALL THESE THINGS we overwhelming conquer through Him Who loved us." Because of the finished work of Christ we can walk out this Christian life. If we can but see ourselves as seated with God the Father in heavenly places IN Christ, how much smaller will our earthly problems seem? If we like Paul learned to depend up His all-sufficient grace then we also like Paul can say "I glory in my weakness that the power of Christ may dwell in me."

Consider one last verse that most all of us quote but maybe really don't understand. "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, Who loved me and gave His self for me." If your IN Christ death has been defeated, His resurrection life lives in you and even if you die you merely shed this earth suit and are present with the Lord. Paul could run his race knowing these things are true and that no matter what he faced God's grace was enough. We today, the same as they, overcome by the "Blood of the Lamb and word of our testimony." Our testimony is of course Christ.



I certainly agree with that and have written a booklet addressing that very issue; "Christian Sufferings." When we differ it is Preterist doctrines of all prophesy being complete. To quote correct scripture is of no benefit or consequence when added to incorrect prophesy interpretation. You would have all believe that Jesus is presently ruling, and yet the nations rule in usurpation; that will not be but for a very short time during the tribulation.

My thoughts.

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« Reply #42 on: Mon Jan 18, 2010 - 21:43:48 »
I certainly agree with that and have written a booklet addressing that very issue; "Christian Sufferings." When we differ it is Preterist doctrines of all prophesy being complete. To quote correct scripture is of no benefit or consequence when added to incorrect prophesy interpretation. You would have all believe that Jesus is presently ruling, and yet the nations rule in usurpation; that will not be but for a very short time during the tribulation.

My thoughts.


Larry I don't let myself fall into a box and say I'm a this or a that. I know many do. Jesus rules on the basis of the N.T.Scriptures that says He does, more when I have time.

I personally do not believe in an earthly political kingdom as did the Jews and many today. I believe the Kingdom of God is a moral, ethical, Kingdom and we govern by the Word of God and our prayers. Paul in describing the Kingdom in Romans 14 said something very interesting. It would seem that some believers, just as we do today,judge other Christians based on their belief systems; what they eat or drink, what day they worship on etc., etc. Some say this, some say that, if you don't believe my way your not of faith (or something like that kind of my simplistic paraphrase). But later in verse 17 Paul said something few have caught: "For the Kingdom is not in eating and drinking (outward external things) but righteousness peace joy IN the Holy Spirit." Righteousness, peace, and joy are not the Kingdom but they do describe the life of one who dwells within the Kingdom, one who is indwelt by the Holy Spirit of Promise. Or simply put the Kingdom is in the Spirit.
 
Concerning the conditions surrounding the reign of Christ Ps. 110;1-3 which is some of the most quoted O.T. Scripture and says concerning Messiah to come; "Rule in the midst of Your enemies!" Today the true Israel of God (were neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails much but a New Creation) is certainly surrounded by more than her share of enemies. But no matter what goes on around us "The just shall live by His faith." "The Heavens do rule and it is the Lord the Most High God who governs the affairs of men."

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