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Re: The wh*re Of Babylon
« Reply #35 on: Wed Jun 13, 2012 - 06:46:20 »
We also know JERUSALEM is the "THE GREAT CITY" of REVELATION 11:8 because the verse says it was "WHERE [THE] LORD WAS CRUCIFIED."
Was our Lord Crucified in Rome? No!

Revelation consistently speaks as if there were only one "great city" ("the great city"), suggesting that the great city of 11:8 is the same as the great city mentioned in the other seven texts—Babylon.
Additional evidence for the identity of the two is the fact that both are symbolically named after great Old Testament enemies of the faith: Sodom, Egypt, and Babylon.

Also, where does Revelation say the Whore of Babylon is Christian?

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« Reply #36 on: Wed Jun 13, 2012 - 06:46:46 »
What woman is there in the earth that professes to be Christain, and yet is known by all the Kings of the Earth and has its roots in every nation in the world?

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Who has its members spew out teachings such as these http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/catholic-forum/the-mother-of-god-(theotokos)/



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« Reply #37 on: Wed Jun 13, 2012 - 06:50:48 »
You don’t seriously believe John would be astonished over a woman of the earth? Do you?

Read it again Matt1 but with understanding!

John viewed what Christianity had become - and it repulse him so much the angel needed to explain the atrocity


Well done - but I haven’t argued anything yet although it appears your many words form an argument?

Yes, some very good translations you provided - thank you.

What you did is enter the Word of God (well done) and what you found was the word admiration in the AV is not a very good translation, is it?

The word "Admiration" was a wrong choice by the translators and in such a context as this, it should be replaced by the word "astonishment," or "wonderment."

John was utterly astonished at an organisation claiming to be "Christian" being guilty of such wickedness. That the angel who witnessed his astonishment asked John a question "And the angel said unto me,  wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns"[/
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So far removed from the orignal Christian Body was this woman; so remarkably astonished about this scene of the woman that the angel proposes to give him an explanation of the vision.

So the later day Church as spoken of by Paul in the context of last days - -Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. (2 Timothy 3:5)

This Religious Woman who we know filled the whole earth played the harlot with the kings of the Nations and gave of herself to gain power and influence.

Now Matt1 - what religious body does this portray?

Any thoughts?

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« Reply #38 on: Wed Jun 13, 2012 - 06:52:42 »
Final warning:

Wherefore come out from among them (RCC), and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, (2 Corinthians 6:17)

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« Reply #39 on: Wed Jun 13, 2012 - 06:56:46 »
That is your commentary that is not what revelation actually says
you lose
Revelation does not mention the wh*re of Babylon being a Christian Church.
The Book of Revelation is complex He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters.
His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, AS THEY DO THE OTHER SCRIPTURES, to their own destruction!

Alethos has done a splendid display of this behavior!
Your posts are the epitome of Ignorance!   ::applause::
Revelation, of all books, is the hardest to understand.  you dont know what those verses mean.
You are speculating and reading what previous anti Catholic imbeciles wrote on the issue.
The Book of Revelation says nothing about any Christian Church being the Mother of Harlots.


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« Reply #40 on: Wed Jun 13, 2012 - 07:11:28 »
Atheism, Relitavism, Idolatry in the form of sex, wealth, abortion, homosexuality, entertainment, drugs, alcohol, pride, and pleasure runs rampant.
These are worship of false God's.
These modern errors are a religion.
Also, Communist Russia was called MOTHER RUSSIA!
Communists have killed far more Christians than any other institution on earth
Far far more than any Church.
For all you know, the woman could have been Mother Russia.  
After all, Mother Russia spread her errors throughout the world.  
All nations drank in her impurities, today's governments all contain her errors.
Those errors are continuing to destroy the world and are alive and rampant in America today.
Any Christian could do simple brief research on the teaching of the Catholic Church compared to the philosophies of Communism and find Far far unbelievably and uncomparably more evil are the teachings and philosophies of marxism.

Every Communist country on earth brutally persecuted the Catholic Church, and were at odds.
Alethos in his ignorance thinks that he needs to get everyone to be scared of the Catholic Church when the enemy is clearly elsewhere.
Such ingnorance is sad to see, and is clearly good for the Devil  
How pitiful that we have such a great enemy out there and the Devil laughs at us as idiots put forth all kinds of propaganda about the Catholic Church being the Anti Christ Religion and the greatest evil
Instead of Christians being United, the Devil uses morons to divide Christianity and create civil war by distracting everyone from the real enemy.
Communists killed more than 100 million people yet people still want to focus on what the Church did hundreds of years ago at the Spanish inquisition.

The number of people who died in the various inquistions across Europe is difficult to determine, but the number of victims can be numbered in the thousands, not the millions as a previous respondent stated. The entire populations of Europe would have been wiped out if inquisitors had killed in those numbers! Even though the Spanish Inquisition lasted for hundreds of years the Inquisition was held primarily in small areas in France, Spain and Italy.
 For example, the Spanish Inquisition, assuredly the most vigorous and corrupt of the various inquisitorial bodies that existed in Europe, held 49,000 trials between 1560-1700 and executed between 3 and 5,000 people

Communism kills more than 100 million people in our Century and you are making such a huge deal of thousands of people who were mudered centuries ago
Im not minimizing it, but I see how the devil has distracted you from seeing who the real enemy is


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« Reply #41 on: Wed Jun 13, 2012 - 07:12:56 »
That is your commentary that is not what revelation actually says
you lose

No, just a small taste.

Btw - its not about winning or losing - its not even about you.


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« Reply #42 on: Wed Jun 13, 2012 - 07:16:23 »
Atheism, Relitavism, Idolatry in the form of sex, wealth, abortion, homosexuality, entertainment, drugs, alcohol, pride, and pleasure runs rampant.
These are worship of false God's.
These modern errors are a religion.
Also, Communist Russia was called MOTHER RUSSIA!
Communists have killed far more Christians than any other institution on earth
Far far more than any Church.
For all you know, the woman could have been Mother Russia.  
After all, Mother Russia spread her errors throughout the world.  
All nations drank in her impurities, today's governments all contain her errors.
Those errors are continuing to destroy the world and are alive and rampant in America today.
Any Christian could do simple brief research on the teaching of the Catholic Church compared to the philosophies of Communism and find Far far unbelievably and uncomparably more evil are the teachings and philosophies of marxism.

Every Communist country on earth brutally persecuted the Catholic Church, and were at odds.
Alethos in his ignorance thinks that he needs to get everyone to be scared of the Catholic Church when the enemy is clearly elsewhere.
Such ingnorance is sad to see, and is clearly good for the Devil  
How pitiful that we have such a great enemy out there and the Devil laughs at us as idiots put forth all kinds of propaganda about the Catholic Church being the Anti Christ Religion and the greatest evil
Instead of Christians being United, the Devil uses morons to divide Christianity and create civil war by distracting everyone from the real enemy.
Communists killed more than 100 million people yet people still want to focus on what the Church did hundreds of years ago at the Spanish inquisition.

The number of people who died in the various inquistions across Europe is difficult to determine, but the number of victims can be numbered in the thousands, not the millions as a previous respondent stated. The entire populations of Europe would have been wiped out if inquisitors had killed in those numbers! Even though the Spanish Inquisition lasted for hundreds of years the Inquisition was held primarily in small areas in France, Spain and Italy.
 For example, the Spanish Inquisition, assuredly the most vigorous and corrupt of the various inquisitorial bodies that existed in Europe, held 49,000 trials between 1560-1700 and executed between 3 and 5,000 people

Communism kills more than 100 million people in our Century and you are making such a huge deal of thousands of people who were mudered centuries ago
Im not minimizing it, but I see how the devil has distracted you from seeing who the real enemy is




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Re: The wh*re Of Babylon
« Reply #43 on: Wed Jun 13, 2012 - 07:17:08 »
What I meant by you lose is not that I win
I havent won any arguement
Nor is it about me winning

It is that your arguement fails to prove anything
Accept for how little you know
There is alot of garbage on you tube
Just because it's on you tube doesn make it fact

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« Reply #44 on: Wed Jun 13, 2012 - 07:36:04 »
What do you get when you combine Catholicism - Russian Orthodoxy and Communism?


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« Reply #45 on: Wed Jun 13, 2012 - 07:43:55 »
Russian Orthodoxy was not combined with Communism.
Russian orthodox priests and laity were murdered by the millions and shut down by Communists
The two do not mix
back off the ignorance and give us something worth reading

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« Reply #46 on: Wed Jun 13, 2012 - 09:49:26 »
Question: "What is the whore of Babylon / mystery Babylon?"

Answer:
Revelation 17:1-2 tells us, “Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, ‘Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.’

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« Reply #47 on: Wed Jun 13, 2012 - 10:27:50 »
It is technically incorrect to conclude that the "whore of Babylon" is the Catholic Church.
That's speculation only.

The Bible (Jeremiah & Ezechiel in particular) shows us that there will be one world religion, headed by the anti-christ, who's seat will be in Babylon.
All the nations will drink from the teachings coming out of Babylon, and the nations will combine their efforts to go to war against Israel.
The war efforts will be lead from the country north of Israel (assumed to be Russia).

Babylon is is present day Iraq, so it might very well be that the one world religion the Bible is talking about will be Islam.
This would be very much in line with the Old Testament where God gives His blessings and His curse to Ismail.

There is no indication in the prophesies to assume that the Catholic Church or the Pope plays a significant role in the time around Armageddon.

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« Reply #48 on: Wed Jun 13, 2012 - 11:55:52 »
It is technically incorrect to conclude that the "wh*re of Babylon" is the Catholic Church.
That's speculation only.

The Bible (Jeremiah & Ezechiel in particular) shows us that there will be one world religion, headed by the anti-christ, who's seat will be in Babylon.
All the nations will drink from the teachings coming out of Babylon, and the nations will combine their efforts to go to war against Israel.
The war efforts will be lead from the country north of Israel (assumed to be Russia).

Babylon is is present day Iraq, so it might very well be that the one world religion the Bible is talking about will be Islam.
This would be very much in line with the Old Testament where God gives His blessings and His curse to Ismail.

There is no indication in the prophesies to assume that the Catholic Church or the Pope plays a significant role in the time around Armageddon.

All nations have drunk of Catholicism.

Islam is not Christian and therefore not an Apostate Church

Islam has not traded with all nations

Islam has nowhere near the wealth of the RCC

Islam is monotheistic which places it closer to the God of Israel than the RCC

Islam is not an organised religion as the RCC

Islam does not have a single head who sits in a throne who considers himself God

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« Reply #49 on: Wed Jun 13, 2012 - 12:22:21 »
It is technically incorrect to conclude that the "wh*re of Babylon" is the Catholic Church.
That's speculation only.

The Bible (Jeremiah & Ezechiel in particular) shows us that there will be one world religion, headed by the anti-christ, who's seat will be in Babylon.
All the nations will drink from the teachings coming out of Babylon, and the nations will combine their efforts to go to war against Israel.
The war efforts will be lead from the country north of Israel (assumed to be Russia).

Babylon is is present day Iraq, so it might very well be that the one world religion the Bible is talking about will be Islam.
This would be very much in line with the Old Testament where God gives His blessings and His curse to Ismail.

There is no indication in the prophesies to assume that the Catholic Church or the Pope plays a significant role in the time around Armageddon.

All nations have drunk of Catholicism.

Islam is not Christian and therefore not an Apostate Church

Islam has not traded with all nations

Islam has nowhere near the wealth of the RCC

Islam is monotheistic which places it closer to the God of Israel than the RCC

Islam is not an organised religion as the RCC

Islam does not have a single head who sits in a throne who considers himself God

Ah, so you can look into the future?

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
You simply have no clue what may happen in the years to come. Accusing the RCC to be the "whore of Babylon" is pure speculation.

And how about Babylon? How does present day babylon fit in your theory?

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« Reply #50 on: Wed Jun 13, 2012 - 19:25:50 »
It is technically incorrect to conclude that the "wh*re of Babylon" is the Catholic Church.
That's speculation only.

The Bible (Jeremiah & Ezechiel in particular) shows us that there will be one world religion, headed by the anti-christ, who's seat will be in Babylon.
All the nations will drink from the teachings coming out of Babylon, and the nations will combine their efforts to go to war against Israel.
The war efforts will be lead from the country north of Israel (assumed to be Russia).

Babylon is is present day Iraq, so it might very well be that the one world religion the Bible is talking about will be Islam.
This would be very much in line with the Old Testament where God gives His blessings and His curse to Ismail.

There is no indication in the prophesies to assume that the Catholic Church or the Pope plays a significant role in the time around Armageddon.

All nations have drunk of Catholicism.

Islam is not Christian and therefore not an Apostate Church

Islam has not traded with all nations

Islam has nowhere near the wealth of the RCC

Islam is monotheistic which places it closer to the God of Israel than the RCC

Islam is not an organised religion as the RCC

Islam does not have a single head who sits in a throne who considers himself God

Ah, so you can look into the future?

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
You simply have no clue what may happen in the years to come. Accusing the RCC to be the "wh*re of Babylon" is pure speculation.

And how about Babylon? How does present day babylon fit in your theory?

Lots more evidence to come.

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« Reply #51 on: Thu Jun 14, 2012 - 08:13:33 »
Alethos,
your views are destitute,
"All nations drank of Catholicism",
Christ said preach the Gospel to all nations,
All nations have martyred Catholics,
All nations are irritated by the Catholic Churches ban on Contraception, Abortion, Divorce, women Priests, marriage, or all of the Above

Revelation doesnt state that the Anti-Christ religion is a Christian Church

Catholics atrocities in the Inquisition are possible the darkest time in Church History
the Spanish Inquisition (Inquisición española), was a tribunal established in 1480 (before the protestant Reformation) by Catholic Monarchs Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile
the number of victims can be numbered in the thousands, not the millions

Even though the Spanish Inquisition lasted for hundreds of years the Inquisition was held primarily in small areas in France, Spain and Italy.
 For example, the Spanish Inquisition, assuredly the most vigorous and corrupt of the various inquisitorial bodies that existed in Europe, held 49,000 trials between 1560-1700 and executed between 3 and 5,000 people.
The Spanish Inquisition was state ministry, not papal organization.
 Blaming Popes for deeds of Spanish Inquisition is incorrect.  The King and Queen of Spain reconquered their country and wanted unity so they did some atrocious things to try to rid their country of Religious diversity.
Prostestant Kings and Queen's took similar measures to remove Catholicism from their countries
 However kings of Spain used Dominicans (Catholic religious order priests) as judges etc. because clergy (especially mentioned monks) were generally far more educated than ordinary people
at the height of the Inquistion, they executed a handful of people per year, and the State of Texas executes more people in a year than the Inquisition did in ten.
Well, this is very serious, but a drop in the bucket compared to what Communists, Pagans, and Muslims kill.
There are muslim Countries where 98% of the country faces mecca five times a day to praise "Allah"
There is not one country in the world that is 98% practicing Catholic.
Many catholics were baptized Catholic but they do not go to Church and they hate the teachings of the Church and rebel against them.
In muslim countries you can be imprisoned or murdered for practicing Christianity in any form (same in communist countries).
There is not one Catholic Country in the world where it is illegal to be protestant.
In fact, if Protestants and Jews visit vatican city (most Catholic Country in the world) all the time without any fear of losing their heads.

There are many idiots out there who the Devil uses to divert peoples attention from the real enemies out there.  
In the 20th Century, communism killed over 40 million Christians and we have a bunch of imbeciles trying to put all kinds of fear in peoples hearts about the Catholic Church being the Antichrist religion, the most evil instiution in the world.
This is entirely based on small scale persecutions that took place centuries ago.
In fact, the Catholic Church is even for the most part, against Captial Punishment.
More Catholics have been murdered for their faith than the other way around.

Also, the Pope met with Barak Obama.  That doesnt mean they are allies.  The Pope is against Socialism and Abortion and all this other madness in our Culture
The previous Pope also met with the Muslim that shot him.  That's part of loving and blessing your enemies.
Just because you can show us the Pope meeting with world leaders means nothing.
The Pope has a responsibility to preach the truth especially to those who are leading people astray.
John Paul 2 hated what Communism did to Poland but he still went to Poland to meet with the Communist leaders who were an enemy of the Church and an enemy of the people
In the views of many historians (not just Catholics), John Paul 2 may had more to do with the fall of Communism than anyone else.


Alethos,
You're a good guy,
But your arguement is stupid, with a touch of insanity.  Please quit making of fool of yourself  ::smile::
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« Reply #52 on: Thu Jun 14, 2012 - 11:17:58 »
Ah, so you can look into the future?

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
You simply have no clue what may happen in the years to come. Accusing the RCC to be the "wh*re of Babylon" is pure speculation.

And how about Babylon? How does present day babylon fit in your theory?

Lots more evidence to come.

That's Darwinism. You believe in a theory because you believe future discoveries will prove your theory correct.

There is no connection between the RCC and Babylon, so that part of your theory as it stands now seems to be incorrect.
There is a strong connection between Islam and Babylon.
The population in the Middle-East (primarily Muslim) are the descendants of Ishmail through Hagar, the descendants of Abrahams concubine Keturah, the descendants of Esau and the descendants of the daughters of Lot.

Only one son came through Sarah; Isaac, and he is the father of the people of the covenant.
The covenant then continued through Jacob.

The Muslims are the people that have vowed to destroy Israel, they are the people of the anti-covenant.

The Bible about Ismael (Gen 16:10-12)
The angel added, "I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count."
The angel of the LORD also said to her: "You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery. He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."


The Bible about Esau (Malachi 1:2-3)
"I have loved you," says the LORD. "But you ask, 'How have you loved us?' "Was not Esau Jacob's brother?" the LORD says. "Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals."

The Bible about the enemies of Israel (Psalm 83)
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« Reply #53 on: Thu Jun 14, 2012 - 11:31:56 »
"The "Wh*re of Babylon" is Islam, and all the nations have drunk of her.
The Arab nations are extremely wealthy, trade with all countries and oil dollars rule the world.
On top of all, and far more importantly, Islam REJECTS JESUS.
So there are your 8 and 10 kings."

HAHAHA!!!  ::IAMYOURFATHER::

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« Reply #54 on: Thu Jun 14, 2012 - 16:15:06 »
Does the use of the asterisk mean you didn't actually write the word "whore?"

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« Reply #55 on: Thu Jun 14, 2012 - 16:59:14 »
Does the use of the asterisk mean you didn't actually write the word "wh*re?"


The * is placed by the board admin (or automatically), so that it is no longer a dirty word.

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« Reply #56 on: Thu Jun 14, 2012 - 17:03:14 »
Interesting. The word is all over my Bible.

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« Reply #57 on: Thu Jun 14, 2012 - 17:05:02 »
Interesting. The word is all over my Bible.

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« Reply #58 on: Thu Jun 14, 2012 - 17:06:27 »
There you go. It's automatic.

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You are a wonderful person.

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« Reply #60 on: Thu Jun 14, 2012 - 20:58:05 »
The bible only speaks to christs church  It does not address relgions out side faith in Christ.The word wh*re  or harlot refers only  to Christs church and speaks of unfaithfulnees  You cannot call a  another religion that is not the bride of Christ unfaithfull for the were never the betrothed of Christ.

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« Reply #61 on: Thu Jun 14, 2012 - 21:49:55 »
What woman is there in the earth that professes to be Christain, and yet is known by all the Kings of the Earth and has its roots in every nation in the world?

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Oh..Oh... I know, I know.. Pick me! Pick me!   ::priest::

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« Reply #62 on: Thu Jun 14, 2012 - 22:13:16 »
This Mother of Harlots is revealed sitting on the Beast, during the tribulation
     "So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet
     colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns." (Rev.17:3)
The key words are "sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns"

The "scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns" is the Beast (the antichrist, the man of sin, the son of perdition 1John.2:18; 4:3, 2Thes.2:4-7, Rev.13:1-18; 17:1-6; 19:11-20)

The beast (antichrist, man of sin, son of perdition) only has 42 months to continue ("revealed in his time" 2Thes.2:6, Rev.13:5)

There is a set time for the Harlot Woman to be revealed in the Tribulation (yet this mystery is already working 2Thes.2:7)

This "mystery of iniquity" is already working "stealthily" as "tares among the wheat."
     "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken
     out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom  the Lord shall consume with the
     spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his 
     coming." (2Thes.2:7-9)
This mystery of iniquity is the revealing of antichrist with the Harlot woman (the aposte Church / Bride) sitting on him.
 
John wrote, "it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists;  whereby we know that it is the last time." (1John.2:18-19)

There is a set time for the revealing of the antichrist with the Harlot woman sitting on his back, but the "spirit of antichrist" (1John.4:3) and the preparation for the false bride is "already" working stealthily. (2Thes.2:7, 1Thes.5:1-7) Jude wrote,"For there are certain  men crept (stealthily) in unawares" (Jude.1:4) This began in the 1st.Century and has continued until this present day.

There are only two woman in the Book of Revelation. The Woman clothed with the sun (Rev.12:1-17)  and Mystery Babylon the Great Mother of Harlots. (Rev.17:1-18; 18:1-3) Both are called "great mysteries." (Eph.5:33, 2Thes.2:7, Rev.17:5) One is true, the other false.


A woman always speaks of a Church, either true or false. (2Cor.11:1-3, Eph.5:21-33, Jer.31:32, Hosea.1:1-11; 2:1-2)




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Re: The wh*re Of Babylon
« Reply #63 on: Thu Jun 14, 2012 - 22:59:25 »
The woman isn't necessarily a nation or a religion. It is a system, most likely the system of commerce---money, banks, capitalism and greed that pervades every culture on earth.

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Re: The wh*re Of Babylon
« Reply #64 on: Thu Jun 14, 2012 - 23:53:09 »
 The true Church / Woman / Bride
Adam (the man) is compared to Christ. (Rom.5:14, 1Cor.15:45)

Eve (the woman) is compared to the Church. (2Cor.11:1-3, Eph.5:21-33)

Christ ("the last Adam" 1Cor.15:45) is making preparation now for the wedding as God did for Adam (Rom.5:14) when He made Eve. (Gen.3:18-25, Eph.5:21-33, Rev.19:7)

The false, apostate Church / Woman / Bride
The antichrist is "a man" (Rev.13:18) "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundre threescore and six."

The antichrist has a false (woman) Eve because he is counterfeiting all of God's purpose. (Isa.14:11-14, 2Thes.2:1-9, 2Cor.11:1-15)  Paul says that there are false apostles (in the Church / tares Matt.13:24-30, 36-43) preaching, "another Jesus...another spirit" and "another gospel." (2Cor.11:4, 13) Therefore it should be no surprise that he would also invoke the prinicple of not being "alone" (Gen.2:18) and have "another" bride.

               




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Re: The wh*re Of Babylon
« Reply #65 on: Fri Jun 15, 2012 - 00:17:29 »
This Mother of Harlots is revealed sitting on the Beast, during the tribulation
     "So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet
     colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns." (Rev.17:3)
The key words are "sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns"

The "scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns" is the Beast (the antichrist, the man of sin, the son of perdition 1John.2:18; 4:3, 2Thes.2:4-7, Rev.13:1-18; 17:1-6; 19:11-20)

The beast (antichrist, man of sin, son of perdition) only has 42 months to continue ("revealed in his time" 2Thes.2:6, Rev.13:5)

There is a set time for the Harlot Woman to be revealed in the Tribulation (yet this mystery is already working 2Thes.2:7)

This "mystery of iniquity" is already working "stealthily" as "tares among the wheat."
     "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken
     out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom  the Lord shall consume with the
     spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his  
     coming." (2Thes.2:7-9)
This mystery of iniquity is the revealing of antichrist with the Harlot woman (the aposte Church / Bride) sitting on him.
 
John wrote, "it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists;  whereby we know that it is the last time." (1John.2:18-19)

There is a set time for the revealing of the antichrist with the Harlot woman sitting on his back, but the "spirit of antichrist" (1John.4:3) and the preparation for the false bride is "already" working stealthily. (2Thes.2:7, 1Thes.5:1-7) Jude wrote,"For there are certain  men crept (stealthily) in unawares" (Jude.1:4) This began in the 1st.Century and has continued until this present day.

There are only two woman in the Book of Revelation. The Woman clothed with the sun (Rev.12:1-17)  and Mystery Babylon the Great Mother of Harlots. (Rev.17:1-18; 18:1-3) Both are called "great mysteries." (Eph.5:33, 2Thes.2:7, Rev.17:5) One is true, the other false.


A woman always speaks of a Church, either true or false. (2Cor.11:1-3, Eph.5:21-33, Jer.31:32, Hosea.1:1-11; 2:1-2)





God refers to Israel many time in the Old testament in reference to a woman. The woman in Revelation 12 is Israel, whom Jesus came from, who will need to be hidden in those days from the Anti Christ who will seek to destroy them.

The one in Revelation 17 is the Religious system we know as Catholicism. It will be the Religion the Anti Christ uses to deceive millions and millions of people to worship him. A system that will deceive many to the death of their souls. After the rapture it will be easy for him to find someone who will follow him and lead the world to worship him in a Religious system that is left in chaos.

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Re: The wh*re Of Babylon
« Reply #66 on: Fri Jun 15, 2012 - 08:01:16 »
This counterfeit Bride is being formed at the same time as the True Bride.
The "seeds" of this false Bride (tares) has already been sown in the Church, alongside the (wheat, the children of the kingdom Matt.13:24-30, 36-43) The tares are beginning (2010 A.D.) to "spring up" (Matt.13:26) as "philosophy and vain deceit, (and) the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." (Col 2:8) The Laodicean Church is a prophetic picture of our time. (Rev.3:14-22) John said, "that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men (tares) shall be lovers of  their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers,false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness,  (having the form of the Bride) but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." (2 Tim 3:1-6, 2Cor.6:17)

Lucifer said, "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."  (Isa 14:13-15)

David prophesied, "Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King." (Psa.48:2-3)

The apostle and wise master builder wrote, "ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the 
heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, 
which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect." (Heb 12:22-24)

Peter confirms this by identifying Jesus as the "chief  cornerstone" in Sion. (1Peter.2:6)

Paul wrote Jesus is the "chief corner stone" of the Holy Temple the Church.
                  Watch out! (1Thes.5:6, Matt.26:40, 1Cor.16:13)

The "congregation in the sides of the north" is the New Testament Church!
This should not be surprised because, this is what the antichrist said he would do. (2Thes.2:4)  Paul says, he "as God sitteth in the temple of God, (John.2:18-20, 1Cor.19, Eph.2:20-22,  1Peter.2:5, Acts.7:47-48; 17:24) shewing himself that he is God." (2Thes.2:4-5) This has already been demonstrated. The only other "son of perdition" in God's Word was Judas.  (John.17:12) He was one of the apostles, and he fell from  the inside out!

Sitting, disguised as a "minister of righteousness."
 False apostles, "deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if  his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." (2Cor.11:13-16) WATCH OUT! This was "already" (2Thes.2:7)  happening in the 1st.Century Church and it has continued until our present today!



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Re: The wh*re Of Babylon
« Reply #67 on: Fri Jun 15, 2012 - 08:07:07 »
This Mother of Harlots is revealed sitting on the Beast, during the tribulation
     "So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet
     colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns." (Rev.17:3)
The key words are "sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns"

The "scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns" is the Beast (the antichrist, the man of sin, the son of perdition 1John.2:18; 4:3, 2Thes.2:4-7, Rev.13:1-18; 17:1-6; 19:11-20)

The beast (antichrist, man of sin, son of perdition) only has 42 months to continue ("revealed in his time" 2Thes.2:6, Rev.13:5)

There is a set time for the Harlot Woman to be revealed in the Tribulation (yet this mystery is already working 2Thes.2:7)

This "mystery of iniquity" is already working "stealthily" as "tares among the wheat."
     "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken
     out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom  the Lord shall consume with the
     spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his 
     coming." (2Thes.2:7-9)
This mystery of iniquity is the revealing of antichrist with the Harlot woman (the aposte Church / Bride) sitting on him.
 
John wrote, "it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists;  whereby we know that it is the last time." (1John.2:18-19)

There is a set time for the revealing of the antichrist with the Harlot woman sitting on his back, but the "spirit of antichrist" (1John.4:3) and the preparation for the false bride is "already" working stealthily. (2Thes.2:7, 1Thes.5:1-7) Jude wrote,"For there are certain  men crept (stealthily) in unawares" (Jude.1:4) This began in the 1st.Century and has continued until this present day.

There are only two woman in the Book of Revelation. The Woman clothed with the sun (Rev.12:1-17)  and Mystery Babylon the Great Mother of Harlots. (Rev.17:1-18; 18:1-3) Both are called "great mysteries." (Eph.5:33, 2Thes.2:7, Rev.17:5) One is true, the other false.


A woman always speaks of a Church, either true or false. (2Cor.11:1-3, Eph.5:21-33, Jer.31:32, Hosea.1:1-11; 2:1-2)





God refers to Israel many time in the Old testament in reference to a woman. The woman in Revelation 12 is Israel, whom Jesus came from, who will need to be hidden in those days from the Anti Christ who will seek to destroy them.

The one in Revelation 17 is the Religious system we know as Catholicism. It will be the Religion the Anti Christ uses to deceive millions and millions of people to worship him. A system that will deceive many to the death of their souls. After the rapture it will be easy for him to find someone who will follow him and lead the world to worship him in a Religious system that is left in chaos.
Yes, this is what I was taught too! Compared to Joseph dream in Gen. 37. But this study I am doing sheds some more light to the woman etc. I am just sharing what I am finding...

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Re: The wh*re Of Babylon
« Reply #68 on: Fri Jun 15, 2012 - 10:40:59 »
In the end-time there will be two religions according to the Bible:

- Christ's church
- the followers of the one world religion

Both are expressed by the term "woman".
One is the woman clothed with the sun; that's Christ's church.
The other is the woman riding the beast; that's the one world religion (mystery of Babylon).

Note that the second woman is not the anti-Christ, she's is merely a tool in the hands of the anti-Christ.

For both religions the Bible uses the term "woman" for a reason because they are of one and the same gender.
Both of them find their origin in the same promise, the promise that God gave to Abraham.

Gen 12:1-3
"Now the Lord had said to Abram: Get out of your country, from your family and from your father's house, to a land that I will show you. I will make you a great nation; I will bless you and make your name great; and you shall be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."

Gen 17:5
"No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations"


From the above you can see that God's covenant with Abraham was extended to all his offspring and relatives.
Isaac, but also Ishmael. Jacob, but also Esau. Abraham, but also Lot.
Abraham is also the father of many nations...not only Israel.

We know that Abraham, Ishmael, Esau and the daughters of Lot gave birth to the Arab nations.
They all were under the promise of the covenant, but they rejected God.
The Arabs eventually would embrace Islam as their religion.

This is what the Bible says about Israel in relation to Jesus Christ.

Hosea 3:4-5
For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or household gods. 5 Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the Lord their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the Lord and to his blessings in the last days.

Matthew 23:39
"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord."


Jesus will return when Israel has accepted Jesus Christ as their Saviour.

Hence you have two women.
The woman clothed with the sun; those who accept the Abrahamic covenant and accept Jesus Christ.
The woman riding the beast; those who reject the Abrahamic covenant and reject Jesus Christ.


I firmly believe that the one-world religion will be rooted in Islam, and it's religious capital will be Babylon.
The whore of Babylon is Islam and not the Catholic Church.

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Re: The wh*re Of Babylon
« Reply #69 on: Fri Jun 15, 2012 - 17:02:42 »
I firmly believe that the one-world religion will be rooted in Islam, and it's religious capital will be Babylon.
The wh*re of Babylon is Islam and not the Catholic Church.

I have seen information on both...both can be convincing...but  ::shrug::

 

     
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