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Re: True statement
« Reply #35 on: Wed Jan 05, 2011 - 22:51:54 »
COOP  you are preaching another gospel


There is not one person who is worthy of His Blood  not you not me..

Isa 64:6  But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Rom 3:10  As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:   None of us are fit for His kingdom.

Eph 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9  Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Col 1:20  And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven


Gal 1:6  I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7  Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:10  For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

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« Reply #36 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 08:11:18 »
COOP  you are preaching another gospel


There is not one person who is worthy of His Blood  not you not me..

Isa 64:6  But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Rom 3:10  As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:   None of us are fit for His kingdom.

Eph 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9  Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Col 1:20  And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven


Gal 1:6  I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7  Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:10  For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

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I believe all that - so please explain point by point HOW you say my gospel is different.

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« Reply #36 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 08:11:18 »

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« Reply #37 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 09:38:28 »
Hi Coop, you are teaching another version of end time events that is not what the bible is teaching.  I woke up last night and got a clear picture of what you are doing. Your METHOD for interpretation of end time events is wrong in itself, you are mixing gas and fire, that is a bad combination and guarantees the destruction of God's intentions as recorded in the scriptures. You are not 100% wrong,but generally speaking you tend to be wrong much of the time.
  Here is what I see you doing, the GAS, is your idea that it is YOUR PERSONAL JOB TO MAKE THE SCRIPTURES GO TOGETHER, the FIRE is that Comment Deleted you create the bible as you see fit and with little regard for what it is actually saying.  I mean no offense to you Coop, you seem like a person who really does know the scriptures and has done a lot of study, however it was a highly trained athlete who became confused and ran the wrong way and made a touchdown for the opposing team...Coop, I believe you are scoring some points for the "other"side.  Just take another look at your METHOD pleaseeeeeee.
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« Reply #38 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 09:44:49 »
Moderator, and or Larry,

Sorry my statements had to be deleted I will do my best not to put you all in that situation again.

Thanks Sister Eagle
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« Reply #39 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 10:58:33 »


This thread shows a clear picture of what over the top dispensationalism , dividing the scriptures as if there are not ONE complete unit has produced.

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« Reply #40 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 11:05:20 »


This thread shows a clear picture of what over the top dispensationalism , dividing the scriptures as if there are not ONE complete unit has produced.

Are you saying that you don't believe in dispensations?

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« Reply #41 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 13:58:39 »


This thread shows a clear picture of what over the top dispensationalism , dividing the scriptures as if there are not ONE complete unit has produced.


Are you saying that you don't believe in dispensations?


Coop, why shouldn't we all still not hold all instructions of God as applicable to us? Dispensations surely can't be anything; can they? Isn't it true that whatever God did with Israel He must do for us?

Genesis 2:17  "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." What does it look like so that we can make sure we don't eat it? A special test for a special time? Aw come on; you've got to be kidding.

1 Corinthians 9:17  ". . . a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me." Isn't it committed unto me too?
 
Ephesians 1:10  "That in the dispensation of the fulness of times . ." 

Ephesians 3:2  "If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God . ."

Colossians 1:25  "Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God."

Colossians 1:26  "Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:" Lord, are you attempting to tell me there were some you didn't tell certain things? Could they have been in a different dispensation?

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Re: True statement
« Reply #42 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 14:10:40 »


This thread shows a clear picture of what over the top dispensationalism , dividing the scriptures as if there are not ONE complete unit has produced.


Are you saying that you don't believe in dispensations?


Coop, why shouldn't we all still not hold all instructions of God as applicable to us? Dispensations surely can't be anything; can they? Isn't it true that whatever God did with Israel He must do for us?

Genesis 2:17  "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." What does it look like so that we can make sure we don't eat it? A special test for a special time? Aw come on; you've got to be kidding.

1 Corinthians 9:17  ". . . a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me." Isn't it committed unto me too?
  
Ephesians 1:10  "That in the dispensation of the fulness of times . ."  

Ephesians 3:2  "If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God . ."

Colossians 1:25  "Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God."

Colossians 1:26  "Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:" Lord, are you attempting to tell me there were some you didn't tell certain things? Could they have been in a different dispensation?


it is a matter of history, of record and of fact, that in different dispensations God has dealt with man differently.

In the Garden
Before the flood
After the flood And before the law
During the law
Christ on earth
The dispensation of the church
The 70th week

All these are different times where God dealt with man differently.

For example, Moses law was nailed to the cross for us. We don't live by all 600 plus points of the law, and God does not require that we do. We can enjoy shrimp and not get in trouble with God.

Coop

Added later: THANK GOD we don't have to make a sacrifice every time we sin! There are not enough sheep!

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« Reply #43 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 14:20:16 »

 Col 1:25
Ephesians 1:10   ,3:2

1 Corinthians 9:17  ". . . a dispensation

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« Reply #44 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 14:43:24 »

THANK GOD we don't have to make a sacrifice every time we sin! There are not enough sheep!

rofl  Thank God He provided a Lamb for a burnt offering; sweet Lamb of God.

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« Reply #45 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 15:07:01 »

Odd the word dispensation used in Scripture has nothing to do with time or times...


If the word has nothing to do with time, its application does.

Ephesians 1:10  That in the dispensation of the fullness of times.

Colossians 1:26  Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages (This is reference to time) and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:


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« Reply #46 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 15:18:34 »
Lived with dispy all my 64 years.
The Bibles in our home were Scofield over and over. Our family still has an 1909 edition!
My views on dispy are based pretty much on the Scofield notes.

Innocency = the time in the Garden

Yet we know from Scripture there were laws in the garden!  Dont eat the fruit.   According to S. the dispy of "law" is #5
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Conscience  =    after the garden til the flood times

There was law then  Able knew how to build an alter. Good ol Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.. Cant be Grace is #6 and law is #5  Promise is # 4 yet we see a promise, the rainbow, from God to Noah   Was it Enoch's conscience or God grace that walk him around?  What is to say there was not some forms of human government.
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Human government  =  from flood to abram 

We still have human government.  Abe was led by God wasn't he? Was it HG that sent him to sacrifice Isiac.   It was during this time the tower of babble was being built... and in this time of HG God saw fit to scramble the language.

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Promise  =  Abe to the Laws given

I guess there was no promises before or after this time?  We know that is not so.  As far as HG the 'Children of Israel were under the HG of Egypt!

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#5 is Law   =      from Mt. Sinai to the Cross.   

How many promises of God to His kids can you all remember from Sunday School ? Lots ?IF there weree no mercy or grace why would St. Paul say   "Acts 13:34   I will give you the sure mercy of David" obedience to the law was not unto salvation if so why the sacrifices?
David tell us over and over of the mercys of the Lord.

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  Grace  = from the Cross and Resurrection till ....... apostasy of the church etc

Accordingly there must not have been grace but lets not tell Noah or Moses and Joseph to list a few.

And surely  we do not have HG in this time.  Not one Godly law is to be  considered. And conscience never.   Paul writes “I delite in the law of God after the inward man.


Kingdom being S. last dispy After His return But what of these verses


Mat 6:33  But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Mat 11:12  And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Mat 12:28  But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Luk 10:9  And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you
Luk 17:21  Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Joh 18:36  Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence

Rom 14:17  For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.



 Above are my reasons to doubt Scofield and his notes



 Larry, the question was asked so i answered if this is too much for this thread and nees to be move i understand.

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« Reply #47 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 16:21:45 »

Lived with dispy all my 64 years.


Too bad you young people didn't learn the lesson.  ::smile::

I have no problem with your outlook; you can believe what you want, but an age in which God tests man by the law even though God has always provided grace even in clothing Adam and Eve, and the fact that it was always the blood given for the remission of sin as Abel brought forth does not deter from the fact that Abraham was not tested by the law for instance. Those things given to Paul for us that were hidden from ages and generations were not given to Moses.

When the kingdom age enters, grace will still be offered to all who will believe, but the testing of man will change. Christ will bind up His paps at that time and begin pouring out judgment upon an unbelieving and rebellious world. At that time to be saved alive to enter the millennial age one will have to endure until the end.

Just my thoughts.

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« Reply #48 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 17:31:53 »
God does deal with differing groups differently but when it comes to salvation it is always the same.


Ro 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
Ro 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Ro 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Ro 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Ro 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Ro 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Ro 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Ro 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Ro 4:9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
Ro 4:10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
Ro 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Ro 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
Ro 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Ro 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Ro 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Ro 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,


From Adam to the present all are saved by Grace through Faith. To say that those of the Old Testament or of the tribulation are saved by their death or by their works is missing the mark. Those past were saved by faith looking ahead, we are saved by faith looking back.

I fear you are serving a continually dieing Christ, in other words Christ's death on the cross was not a one time offering but must be continually offered for sin. Christ died one time for the sin of the world, past, present and future. If this is not the case we have no hope because Christ died 2000 years past.


Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

It is a sure thing that we will be judged, but not to determine our salvation but reward or loss.


Ro 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Ro 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

2co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.







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« Reply #49 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 17:54:47 »
Lived with dispy all my 64 years.
The Bibles in our home were Scofield over and over. Our family still has an 1909 edition!
My views on dispy are based pretty much on the Scofield notes.

Innocency = the time in the Garden

Yet we know from Scripture there were laws in the garden!  Dont eat the fruit.   According to S. the dispy of "law" is #5
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But what was the state of their spirit? It was NOT a born again spirit. It was rather, and innocent spirit.

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Conscience  =    after the garden til the flood times

There was law then  Able knew how to build an alter. Good ol Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.. Cant be Grace is #6 and law is #5  Promise is # 4 yet we see a promise, the rainbow, from God to Noah   Was it Enoch's conscience or God grace that walk him around?  What is to say there was not some forms of human government.
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It is written that everyone did what was right in his own mind. Therefore, they were living by their conscience.


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Human government  =  from flood to abram 

We still have human government.  Abe was led by God wasn't he? Was it HG that sent him to sacrifice Isiac.   It was during this time the tower of babble was being built... and in this time of HG God saw fit to scramble the language.

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I am not saying that I agree with Scofield. What I know is that God dealt with man differently in different dispensations.

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romise  =  Abe to the Laws given

I guess there was no promises before or after this time?  We know that is not so.  As far as HG the 'Children of Israel were under the HG of Egypt!

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This was a very special promise: God had NEVER entered into a blood covenant with a human being before! But God NEEDED Abraham, so entered into a covenant with Him.

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#5 is Law   =      from Mt. Sinai to the Cross.   

How many promises of God to His kids can you all remember from Sunday School ? Lots ?IF there weree no mercy or grace why would St. Paul say   "Acts 13:34   I will give you the sure mercy of David" obedience to the law was not unto salvation if so why the sacrifices?
David tell us over and over of the mercys of the Lord.

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It is a FACT, God does not require us to fulfill or live by the Old Testament laws. And you should be VERY HAPPY for this fact!!  When they sinned, they had to sacrifice an animal. I am guessing they did a LOT of sacrifices! We we sin, we have an advocate with the Father, and we confess our sins, and He is faithful and just to forgive them.

If fact, a good percentage of people today would have to be STONED for adultery and fornication - if we lived under the law.



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race  = from the Cross and Resurrection till ....... apostasy of the church etc

Accordingly there must not have been grace but lets not tell Noah or Moses and Joseph to list a few.

And surely  we do not have HG in this time.  Not one Godly law is to be  considered. And conscience never.   Paul writes “I delite in the law of God after the inward man.

We DO have HG, as in the Holy Spirit indwelling in our spirit - what no other dispensation ever had.

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Kingdom being S. last dispy After His return But what of these verses


Mat 6:33  But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Mat 11:12  And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Mat 12:28  But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Luk 10:9  And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you
Luk 17:21  Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Joh 18:36  Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence

Rom 14:17  For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.



 Above are my reasons to doubt Scofield and his notes



 Larry, the question was asked so i answered if this is too much for this thread and nees to be move i understand.

I have no problem with you forgetting your Scofield notes, and just going with what is written in the bible.

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« Reply #50 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 18:10:56 »
Coop   I see a funny booboo in my post... HG in a bible forum would most often imply Holy Ghost i was refuring to human government

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Scofield is largely responsible for bringing the false pre-trib rapture to America and here we are years later and our knowledge of the bible has greatly expanded and it has been proven beyond any doubt that the pre-trib teaching was false, YET SOME STILL HANG ON TO IT!

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« Reply #52 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 18:39:13 »

God says
Mat 13:30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.




CIS says
1 The gathering of the tares into bundles for burning does not imply immediate judgment At the end of this age v 40 the tares are set apart for burning but first the wheat is gathered into the barn John ziv 3 1 Thes iv 14 17


This is just  a simple switch of scripture there are many more. 


I agree Saul    if part of a statment is false it all is.   Scofieldism is afeel good message and so it lives

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« Reply #53 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 19:57:35 »
I think all Scofield bibles should be burned.

People treat it as if his (Scofield's) words were the Word of God.

Not.

Trumping the supposedly indwelling Holy Spirit for a mere man.

Big mistake people.


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« Reply #54 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 20:04:17 »

God says
Mat 13:30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.




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1 The gathering of the tares into bundles for burning does not imply immediate judgment At the end of this age v 40 the tares are set apart for burning but first the wheat is gathered into the barn John ziv 3 1 Thes iv 14 17


This is just  a simple switch of scripture there are many more. 


I agree Saul    if part of a statment is false it all is.   Scofieldism is afeel good message and so it lives

It is impossible to equate the parable of the tares with Paul's rapture. They are two separate events at two different times. I believe the parable of the tares will play out as Jesus is descending to the earth on the white horse. He will not put up with lawless people for ONE SECOND. Angels will be sent and they will snatch the spirit right out of the body and the body will become bird food. The angels will cast the spirits straight into hell.  It is Luke's "one taken and one left."

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« Reply #55 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 20:04:34 »
I grew up with the Bible in the house well used i thought ALL  the words were scripture!

Not untill the ideals were in my head did i understand just because words were printed in the book along side the verses they were not scripture.

Yup a big mistake  

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« Reply #56 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 20:05:30 »
Paul aint goina rapture anyone.    Paul would be rolling over in his grave 

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« Reply #57 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 20:08:37 »

God says
Mat 13:30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.




CIS says
1 The gathering of the tares into bundles for burning does not imply immediate judgment At the end of this age v 40 the tares are set apart for burning but first the wheat is gathered into the barn John ziv 3 1 Thes iv 14 17


This is just  a simple switch of scripture there are many more. 


I agree Saul    if part of a statment is false it all is.   Scofieldism is afeel good message and so it lives

It is impossible to equate the parable of the tares with Paul's rapture. They are two separate events at two different times. I believe the parable of the tares will play out as Jesus is descending to the earth on the white horse. He will not put up with lawless people for ONE SECOND. Angels will be sent and they will snatch the spirit right out of the body and the body will become bird food. The angels will cast the spirits straight into hell.  It is Luke's "one taken and one left."

Coop


I did not equate anything with anything.

God says   and i quoted the scripture
CIS says    and i quoted the Scofield's notes on the verse

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« Reply #58 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 20:10:31 »

God says
Mat 13:30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.




CIS says
1 The gathering of the tares into bundles for burning does not imply immediate judgment At the end of this age v 40 the tares are set apart for burning but first the wheat is gathered into the barn John ziv 3 1 Thes iv 14 17


This is just  a simple switch of scripture there are many more. 


I agree Saul    if part of a statment is false it all is.   Scofieldism is afeel good message and so it lives

It is impossible to equate the parable of the tares with Paul's rapture. They are two separate events at two different times. I believe the parable of the tares will play out as Jesus is descending to the earth on the white horse. He will not put up with lawless people for ONE SECOND. Angels will be sent and they will snatch the spirit right out of the body and the body will become bird food. The angels will cast the spirits straight into hell.  It is Luke's "one taken and one left."

Coop


I did not equate anything with anything.

God says   and i quoted the scripture
CIS says    and i quoted the Scofield's notes on the verse

Sorry! I did not read it completely!   ::blushing::

Coop

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« Reply #59 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 20:44:11 »

This is indeed a sad testimony of self righteous know exactly the whole council of God saints. To completely condemn a brother in the Lord for his thoughts that differ from yours I can't even fathom.

That to me is like despising the one that eats not for the Lord because you enjoy all things you want to. You're going to find that God loves that brother whether he is Assembly of God, Baptist, or Catholic. You haven't come to discuss, or debate doctrines using scripture; you come to bash a brother whose life's work was in study of our Lord. Are there things I disagree with Brother Scofield on? Yes, but you had better know he remains my brother. There's no need of me going further with this for only you know why you have such feelings in your heart.

Romans 14:3  Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Romans 14:6  He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

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« Reply #60 on: Thu Jan 06, 2011 - 21:24:37 »

This is indeed a sad testimony of self righteous know exactly the whole council of God saints. To completely condemn a brother in the Lord for his thoughts that differ from yours I can't even fathom.

That to me is like despising the one that eats not for the Lord because you enjoy all things you want to. You're going to find that God loves that brother whether he is Assembly of God, Baptist, or Catholic. You haven't come to discuss, or debate doctrines using scripture; you come to bash a brother whose life's work was in study of our Lord. Are there things I disagree with Brother Scofield on? Yes, but you had better know he remains my brother. There's no need of me going further with this for only you know why you have such feelings in your heart.

Romans 14:3  Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Romans 14:6  He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

He has added his own personal thoughts/beliefs to God's Word, many of which are in opposition to what God says.  God gave us His Word, not Scofield's.

Just like the previous poster said, he grew up with the Scofield bible and thought they were part of God's Word.

I personally know another "believer," that when I ask him a question about God's Word, he pulls out his Scofield bible and quotes what Scofield said.  ALL of his understanding of Scripture comes directly from Scofield, not the Holy Spirit who God says is our teacher.


Yes, the Scofield bible should be burned, every last one of them.


Have you ever missed it somewhere?

There are MANY THINGs Scofield wrote that have been a great help in understanding the Word.  It would be very interesting to compare what he wrote with many of the theories espoused here.

I too grew up with Scofield.

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« Reply #61 on: Sun Jan 09, 2011 - 11:07:33 »
Brothers and Sisters in Christ let me remind you.

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

We are not against any person who claims the blood of Christ for their sin. Here we have a meeting of the minds, to try the scriptures and to discern the correct doctrine the contain.


2ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


I pray not to offend but to present the case for my doctrine. God Bless you all.

 

     
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