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UFO Disclosure and End Times
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I am wondering what peoples opinions are with respect to the UFO phenomenon and how it may relate to various End Time theories? I suppose I will also start this discussion with the following:
In the spring of 2013, 40 witnesses from around the world including Apollo 14 Astronaut Edgar Mitchell, former Canadian Defense Minister Paul Hellyer along with military personnel, intelligence personnel, defense contractors, government officials, physicists, historians, lawyers and researchers who testified before former members of the Senate and Congress about the reality of the UFO phenomenon.

Here is the trailer for the "Citizen Hearing On Disclosure."
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« Reply #1 on: Sun Aug 23, 2015 - 11:23:47 »
Check out a documentary called SIRIUS. It is about UFO and alien phenomenon, and a new form of contact with the same labeled CE-5, close encounters of the fifth kind. It involves meditative techniques through which we initiate contact with aliens who are not necessarily just from other planets, but are trans-dimensional beings. They are correct, fallen angels are trans-dimensional beings. It also addresses new science being withheld from us, dealing specifically with creating energy sources which are not fossil fuel dependent, which would of course fit well into the environment movement going on which the Pope has now written an Encyclical about. This new CE-5 is also about bringing humanity together as one, from a scientific perspective rather than a religious one. Yet they both do and will employ dangerous meditative practices opening up the mind to satanic influences.

One world government and the unification of humanity in rebellion against God are prophetic realities established in scripture. The meditative practices being employed by false religion, science, the medical field, and now alien seekers is a tie that binds them all to satanic influences aimed at that very goal. The Catholic Church which also seeks to establish the unification of humanity under her guiding influence heavily supports meditative practices seeking the silence. Many "Protestant" denominations are getting heavily involved in the same also. Those who will empty their minds through these meditative practices will each experience contact with beings, or suggestive thoughts leading them towards the false unity which the scriptures predict will take place right before the end.

God never told us to empty our minds to be influenced by whatever powers may be present when we do so. We are to fill our minds with biblical truth, that we might identify and combat deception. Why should true Christians be involved in meditative practices which all the false religions of the world practice also, and now many of science and alien seekers as well? It is deception. These meditative practices convert no one to the truth, but rather lead them all in one direction through their various gods and disciplines. They are not of God.

Mt 4:3  And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4  But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5  Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6  And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7  Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8  Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9  And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10  Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

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« Reply #3 on: Sun Aug 23, 2015 - 15:23:40 »
Check out a documentary called SIRIUS. It is about UFO and alien phenomenon, and a new form of contact with the same labeled CE-5, close encounters of the fifth kind. It involves meditative techniques through which we initiate contact with aliens who are not necessarily just from other planets, but are trans-dimensional beings. They are correct, fallen angels are trans-dimensional beings. It also addresses new science being withheld from us, dealing specifically with creating energy sources which are not fossil fuel dependent, which would of course fit well into the environment movement going on which the Pope has now written an Encyclical about. This new CE-5 is also about bringing humanity together as one, from a scientific perspective rather than a religious one. Yet they both do and will employ dangerous meditative practices opening up the mind to satanic influences.

I have seen that documentary. I think it is a very good one, with the exception of the 6 inch "supposed" alien that was later found to be not alien. I am of the opinion that this has nothing to do with satanism. I think that there is a possibility that there are benevolent and malevolent ET's and they could be the same as what people refer to as angels and demons, but that is just speculation on my part.


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« Reply #4 on: Sun Aug 23, 2015 - 15:32:26 »

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Psalms 1:1-2  Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.   But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

I wonder what your thoughts are with regard to what the Vatican's stance on the issue of ET's? Considering what has come out in public statements and such.

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Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
« Reply #5 on: Sun Aug 23, 2015 - 15:37:16 »
UFO's did land in Roswell.  They were from the fourth planet of the Ventarus Idrilon system. 

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« Reply #6 on: Sun Aug 23, 2015 - 17:15:44 »
UFO's did land in Roswell.  They were from the fourth planet of the Ventarus Idrilon system.


That's nice.

So do you have anything useful to contribute to this conversation?
Perhaps you would like to address the information I presented?

Also regarding Roswell, Major Jesse Marcel who was one of the first on the scene in Roswell and is the one in the famous picture holding a piece of a downed weather balloon later on in life came out with what he really knew about the incident. You can hear him speak about it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=548HTymqpcY

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« Reply #7 on: Sun Aug 23, 2015 - 20:40:57 »
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One world government and the unification of humanity in rebellion against God are prophetic realities established in scripture.

There is no one world government mentioned in scripture.  You've been misled and continue to be misled.

It's people like you who cause people like me to always remain...

CATHOLIC!

Psalms 1:1-2  Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.   But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

Rev 13:11 ¶  And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12  And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13  And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14  And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15  And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16  And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

The above highlighted verses not only indicate, but require a one world governing body, or at the very least a cooperation between all of the worlds governing bodies. Which cooperation of course, would require an institution to plan and execute the same. Enter Rome.

Excerpts from
ENCYCLICAL LETTER
CARITAS IN VERITATE
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
BENEDICT XVI
TO THE BISHOPS
PRIESTS AND DEACONS
MEN AND WOMEN RELIGIOUS
THE LAY FAITHFUL
AND ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL
ON INTEGRAL HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
IN CHARITY AND TRUTH

His was certainly a social teaching of great importance: he underlined the indispensable importance of the Gospel for building a society according to freedom and justice, in the ideal and historical perspective of a civilization animated by love. Paul VI clearly understood that the social question had become worldwide  and he grasped the interconnection between the impetus towards the unification of humanity and the Christian ideal of a single family of peoples in solidarity and fraternity.

, but only on Christ, to whom every authentic vocation to integral human development must be directed. The Gospel is fundamental for development, because in the Gospel, Christ, “in the very revelation of the mystery of the Father and of his love, fully reveals humanity to itself”. Taught by her Lord, the Church examines the signs of the times and interprets them, offering the world “what she possesses as her characteristic attribute: a global vision of man and of the human race”

67. In the face of the unrelenting growth of global interdependence, there is a strongly felt need, even in the midst of a global recession, for a reform of the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth. One also senses the urgent need to find innovative ways of implementing the principle of the responsibility to protectand of giving poorer nations an effective voice in shared decision-making. This seems necessary in order to arrive at a political, juridical and economic order which can increase and give direction to international cooperation for the development of all peoples in solidarity. To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority,

Furthermore, such an authority would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights. Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties, and also with the coordinated measures adopted in various international forums. Without this, despite the great progress accomplished in various sectors, international law would risk being conditioned by the balance of power among the strongest nations.



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« Reply #8 on: Mon Aug 24, 2015 - 09:36:44 »
Our Bible doesnt confirm or deny the existence of ET's running around in space ships.  However, there is a verse that comes to
mind when I think of space ships

King James Bible: 2Kings
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Just not real sure what is being described there.

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« Reply #9 on: Mon Aug 24, 2015 - 21:43:52 »
Our Bible doesnt confirm or deny the existence of ET's running around in space ships.  However, there is a verse that comes to
mind when I think of space ships

King James Bible: 2Kings
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Just not real sure what is being described there.

Yup, I always wondered about that verse and others as well. Also the account of Ezekiel and the wheel within a wheel. Very interesting indeed!

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« Reply #10 on: Mon Aug 24, 2015 - 21:49:13 »
Ezekiel's wheels are WAY weird.
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« Reply #11 on: Tue Aug 25, 2015 - 07:18:55 »
UFO's did land in Roswell.  They were from the fourth planet of the Ventarus Idrilon system.

That's nice.

So do you have anything useful to contribute to this conversation?
Perhaps you would like to address the information I presented?

Also regarding Roswell, Major Jesse Marcel who was one of the first on the scene in Roswell and is the one in the famous picture holding a piece of a downed weather balloon later on in life came out with what he really knew about the incident. You can hear him speak about it here:



Slightly rehearsed and over dramatic account. The truth is not contained within the conspiracy theory nuts whom are every bit as steeped in hyperbole as religious fanatics.

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« Reply #12 on: Tue Aug 25, 2015 - 21:45:15 »
Slightly rehearsed and over dramatic account.
Irrelevant with regards to whether or not his testimony is factual or not. Also that was a clip from a documentary.

The truth is not contained within the conspiracy theory nuts whom are every bit as steeped in hyperbole as religious fanatics.
Absolutely correct! The truth is in the EVIDENCE that supports the theory!
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« Reply #13 on: Wed Aug 26, 2015 - 07:29:27 »
Slightly rehearsed and over dramatic account.
Irrelevant with regards to whether or not his testimony is factual or not. Also that was a clip from a documentary.

The truth is not contained within the conspiracy theory nuts whom are every bit as steeped in hyperbole as religious fanatics.
Absolutely correct! The truth lies in the EVIDENCE that supports the theory.


This is not evidence, it's a testimony, true or false.

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« Reply #14 on: Wed Aug 26, 2015 - 23:33:48 »

CATHOLIC!

Psalms 1:1-2  Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.   But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

I wonder what your thoughts are with regard to what the Vatican's stance on the issue of ET's? Considering what has come out in public statements and such.

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did your link involve anything to do with France, something going around it and a 'portal' to the.... 'otherside' that the Vatican is involved in?

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« Reply #15 on: Sat Aug 29, 2015 - 14:50:21 »
This is not evidence, it's a testimony, true or false.

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« Reply #16 on: Sat Aug 29, 2015 - 14:57:41 »
did your link involve anything to do with France, something going around it and a 'portal' to the.... 'otherside' that the Vatican is involved in?


-Vatican Scientist Thinks Aliens May Exist -- But Not An Alien Jesus

-Pope Francis Talks About Aliens; Says He Would Welcome Martians to Receive Baptism

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« Reply #17 on: Tue Sep 01, 2015 - 01:40:08 »
Slightly rehearsed and over dramatic account.

Irrelevant with regards to whether or not his testimony is factual or not. Also that was a clip from a documentary.

The truth is not contained within the conspiracy theory nuts whom are every bit as steeped in hyperbole as religious fanatics.

Absolutely correct! The truth lies in the EVIDENCE that supports the theory.



This is not evidence, it's a testimony, true or false.


Speaking of evidence, here's an excerpt about the Tehran 1976 UFO incident from the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency's report along with historian Richard Dolan's -12 Government Documents That Take UFO's Seriously

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An outstanding report. This case is a classic which meets all the criteria necessary for a valid study of the UFO phenomenon: a) the object was seen by multiple witnesses from different locations … and viewpoints. b) the credibility of many of the witnesses was high (an Air Force general, qualified air crews, and experienced radar operators). c) visual sightings were confirmed by radar. d) similar electromagnetic effects (EME) were reported by three separate aircraft. e) there were physiological effects on some crew members (i.e. loss of night vision due to the brightness of the object). f) an inordinate amount of maneuverability was displayed by the UFOs.-12 Government Documents That Take UFO's Seriously



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« Reply #18 on: Tue Sep 01, 2015 - 02:50:05 »
I am wondering what peoples opinions are with respect to the UFO phenomenon and how it may relate to various End Time theories?
Not one thing. The reason being is that it is not mentioned within the scriptures of truth.  When people are void of spiritual understanding, then they naturally gravitate toward fables, etc. 

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« Reply #19 on: Tue Sep 01, 2015 - 20:00:21 »
Not one thing. The reason being is that it is not mentioned within the scriptures of truth.  When people are void of spiritual understanding, then they naturally gravitate toward fables, etc.

I suppose as to whether or not such things are mentioned in the scriptures is a matter of interpretation. Lots of people interpret the account at the beginning of Ezekiel as a UFO, some refer to the entity/vehicle that followed Moses through the desert and other so called "merkaba riders" in the Bible. Personally, I find such instances in the Bible very intriguing but I don't place a whole lot of value to them.

As for the information I am presenting, fables??
Could you be a bit more specific? What specifically do you have an issue with?

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« Reply #21 on: Wed Sep 02, 2015 - 07:37:42 »
Gotta laugh when the idea of an extraordinary intelligent species that has mastered time and space can be hid in secrecy by the governmental system of our tiny planet.  ::giggle::

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I find it funny how people seem to have no problem at all believing in God, angels and demons but when the subject of ufo's and ET's come up , it gets scoffed and laughed at.  There is no way that anyone can rule them out. 

I suspect if the rapture in fact happens, those left behind will chalk it up to a mass alien abduction.

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I find it funny how people seem to have no problem at all believing in God, angels and demons but when the subject of ufo's and ET's come up , it gets scoffed and laughed at.  There is no way that anyone can rule them out. 

I suspect if the rapture in fact happens, those left behind will chalk it up to a mass alien abduction.

There's something easily missed, here. The universe is constantly expanding, and the speed of its expansion is quite massive. I am opened to the idea of living beings on planets not Earth in the cosmos, but the way our Universe is expanding it's extremely unlikely they'd ever be able to visit (and I'm sure the Lord put a barrier on Earth preventing them to anyway, at least I wouldn't be surprised). That is why I cannot accept intergalactic travels, we would practically have to master time-space, meaning perfecting stable wormholes (since nothing can physically travel faster than the speed of life) to have a chance of visiting other planets, and that science is purely theoretical at this point.

Therefore if the Earth did get a visit from Galactic beings, there's a good chance it's devils deceiving.

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« Reply #26 on: Wed Sep 02, 2015 - 12:25:02 »
I find it funny how people seem to have no problem at all believing in God, angels and demons but when the subject of ufo's and ET's come up , it gets scoffed and laughed at.  There is no way that anyone can rule them out. 



Yes, some are also closed to the idea that life exists elsewhere, we have no evidence to support life outside of our planet nor can we dismiss the plausibility of life existing out there, but I do believe it is in God's hands and there is no real comparison to accepting scripture which points to God and the hypothesis of UFO's and aliens.
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« Reply #27 on: Wed Sep 02, 2015 - 14:26:12 »
I see you as the one who's void of spiritual understanding.


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In the beginning God~period! ALL THINGS were made by him: and without him was NOT ANYTHING MADE that was made~period! According to God's testimony this earth was created to be inhabited, and this is not said of any of other planet.  This world as we know it, is the only place that God is actively involved with and is concern with. This earth is where his children dwell. This earth is where his Son died, apart from this earth God cannot be known, for he himself has limited himself to the children of men that lived here, and here alone. 

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« Reply #28 on: Wed Sep 02, 2015 - 15:47:11 »
God only mentioned earth being inhabited. Period. God said he created heavens and mentioned no life outside of it. Period. Anything else is assumptions, with no hard evidence, just guesses and interpretations here and there of what might be of alien origin. However there is NO hard evidence of Aliens in the bible. Until proven otherwise any idea is either false. You can't just say there's an invisible unicorn in your room because you believe so(even if something explainable like a cup fell off your table for no reason, you can't just assume with your own logic its a unicorn that did it). It is false until proven otherwise.

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« Reply #29 on: Wed Sep 02, 2015 - 23:18:37 »
God only mentioned earth being inhabited. Period. God said he created heavens and mentioned no life outside of it. Period. Anything else is assumptions, with no hard evidence, just guesses and interpretations here and there of what might be of alien origin. However there is NO hard evidence of Aliens in the bible. Until proven otherwise any idea is either false. You can't just say there's an invisible unicorn in your room because you believe so(even if something explainable like a cup fell off your table for no reason, you can't just assume with your own logic its a unicorn that did it). It is false until proven otherwise.

Skeptics will tell you the same about God.




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« Reply #30 on: Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 03:36:15 »
Gotta laugh when the idea of an extraordinary intelligent species that has mastered time and space can be hid in secrecy by the governmental system of our tiny planet.  ::giggle::

For starters this whole statement rests on certain assumptions.
Are you sure those assumptions are accurate?

Secondly, your statement is irrelevant with regards to whether or not they are actually here. Whether our government or some other group is hiding everything or not is a non issue when you have actual UFO's flying over head.

How it is happening and why it is happening is an entirely separate topic, and discussion on that topic is pure speculation. Having said that, there are some pretty good arguments and ideas about that.

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« Reply #32 on: Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 03:39:15 »
I find it funny how people seem to have no problem at all believing in God, angels and demons but when the subject of ufo's and ET's come up , it gets scoffed and laughed at.  There is no way that anyone can rule them out. 

Agreed  ::clappingoverhead::

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Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
« Reply #33 on: Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 03:57:01 »
I find it funny how people seem to have no problem at all believing in God, angels and demons but when the subject of ufo's and ET's come up , it gets scoffed and laughed at.  There is no way that anyone can rule them out. 

I suspect if the rapture in fact happens, those left behind will chalk it up to a mass alien abduction.

Could that be because God, angels and demons are all talked about in the Bible?


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Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
« Reply #34 on: Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 03:57:47 »
There's something easily missed, here. The universe is constantly expanding, and the speed of its expansion is quite massive. I am opened to the idea of living beings on planets not Earth in the cosmos, but the way our Universe is expanding it's extremely unlikely they'd ever be able to visit (and I'm sure the Lord put a barrier on Earth preventing them to anyway, at least I wouldn't be surprised). That is why I cannot accept intergalactic travels, we would practically have to master time-space, meaning perfecting stable wormholes (since nothing can physically travel faster than the speed of life) to have a chance of visiting other planets, and that science is purely theoretical at this point.


The argument of how they got here from there is irrelevant if they are already here. There is no point arguing about the physics involved with FTL travel if they are already flying in our skies. Since the evidence shows that they are already here, apparently they have already figured out the physics and technological issues involved with FTL travel.

Even so, like you said, science has already stated that FTL is theoretically possible, it is not unreasonable to assume that a much more advanced species has moved beyond the theoretical.

On a side note this EM Drive looks pretty interesting if it pans out.

-Independent expert confirms that the "impossible" EM Drive actually works

 

     
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