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Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
« Reply #35 on: Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 04:50:20 »
God only mentioned earth being inhabited. Period. God said he created heavens and mentioned no life outside of it. Period. Anything else is assumptions, with no hard evidence, just guesses and interpretations here and there of what might be of alien origin. However there is NO hard evidence of Aliens in the bible. Until proven otherwise any idea is either false. You can't just say there's an invisible unicorn in your room because you believe so(even if something explainable like a cup fell off your table for no reason, you can't just assume with your own logic its a unicorn that did it). It is false until proven otherwise.

What if a unicorn was hovering over a nuclear missile facility and was glowing brightly and was seen by many witnesses and then it shuts down the nuclear missiles? What if a full report was made on the event and the same thing happened to other nuclear missile facilities? Turns out that this exact scenario did happen except it was not a unicorn, it was a UFO.
Here is a National Press Club event from 2010 with several military officers testifying about events involving UFO's and the nuclear facilities they were assigned to.
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« Reply #36 on: Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 06:34:05 »
God only mentioned earth being inhabited. Period. God said he created heavens and mentioned no life outside of it. Period. Anything else is assumptions, with no hard evidence, just guesses and interpretations here and there of what might be of alien origin. However there is NO hard evidence of Aliens in the bible. Until proven otherwise any idea is either false. You can't just say there's an invisible unicorn in your room because you believe so(even if something explainable like a cup fell off your table for no reason, you can't just assume with your own logic its a unicorn that did it). It is false until proven otherwise.

What if a unicorn was hovering over a nuclear missile facility and was glowing brightly and was seen by many witnesses and then it shuts down the nuclear missiles? What if a full report was made on the event and the same thing happened to other nuclear missile facilities? Turns out that this exact scenario did happen except it was not a unicorn, it was a UFO.
Here is a National Press Club event from 2010 with several military officers testifying about events involving UFO's and the nuclear facilities they were assigned to.
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Thats the other thing, take a look at the belief in aliens without bias. I used to belueve in them too. But supposedly aliens have been around ever since moses. Theyve been visiting us since then. They are also supposed to be hoghly intelligent and can travel at high speed....yet for 6k years not one has been seen in public, and they have no real agenda as nothing is happening. Even though theyve been around for a long time they are never explicitly mentioned in the bible. Ever. Also why blame the incidents on aliens? Why not angels, or a sign from heaven or anything. The fact is another race is pointless, why would God need to make more personalities when the amount of people here on earth can just continue to make people. Then you have a problem of whether aliens have sinned or not. Did jesus die for them as well? If so do they know he died for them? Or does God send a form of jesus to die for each different aliem species.aliens are supposed to have technology to travel fast, yet the government actually manages to hide them? Like i said there is no hard evidence simply personal assumptions.

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« Reply #37 on: Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 06:59:14 »
Thats the other thing, take a look at the belief in aliens without bias. I used to belueve in them too.

I did not believe in UFO's or aliens for the majority of my life. It was the evidence that led me to it. I am not afraid of being wrong, in fact I am glad when I am wrong because it means I am one step closer to truth.
yet for 6k years not one has been seen in public,

Really? Have you read any of this thread? The evidence says the opposite.

and they have no real agenda as nothing is happening.

How do you know this?
Even though theyve been around for a long time they are never explicitly mentioned in the bible. Ever.

I suppose that depends on your interpretation of the Bible.
Also why blame the incidents on aliens? Why not angels, or a sign from heaven or anything. The fact is another race is pointless, why would God need to make more personalities when the amount of people here on earth can just continue to make people. Then you have a problem of whether aliens have sinned or not. Did jesus die for them as well? If so do they know he died for them? Or does God send a form of jesus to die for each different aliem species.aliens are supposed to have technology to travel fast, yet the government actually manages to hide them? Like i said there is no hard evidence simply personal assumptions.

All of that is irrelevant with regards to whether they are already here, and the evidence suggests that they are.

Also with regards to an alien Jesus, the Vatican has all that taken care of, lol. Check out these articles about the Vatican's stance on the issue.

-Vatican Scientist Thinks Aliens May Exist -- But Not An Alien Jesus
-Pope Francis Talks About Aliens; Says He Would Welcome Martians to Receive Baptism

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Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
« Reply #38 on: Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 07:37:48 »
I find it funny how people seem to have no problem at all believing in God, angels and demons but when the subject of ufo's and ET's come up , it gets scoffed and laughed at.  There is no way that anyone can rule them out. 

I suspect if the rapture in fact happens, those left behind will chalk it up to a mass alien abduction.

Could that be because God, angels and demons are all talked about in the Bible?


Yes, those things have been written about in the scriptures, the literary documents to which we hinge our faith. UFOs and aliens, however plausible are simply hypothesis and/or myth.

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« Reply #39 on: Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 09:22:44 »
There's something easily missed, here. The universe is constantly expanding, and the speed of its expansion is quite massive. I am opened to the idea of living beings on planets not Earth in the cosmos, but the way our Universe is expanding it's extremely unlikely they'd ever be able to visit (and I'm sure the Lord put a barrier on Earth preventing them to anyway, at least I wouldn't be surprised). That is why I cannot accept intergalactic travels, we would practically have to master time-space, meaning perfecting stable wormholes (since nothing can physically travel faster than the speed of life) to have a chance of visiting other planets, and that science is purely theoretical at this point.


The argument of how they got here from there is irrelevant if they are already here. There is no point arguing about the physics involved with FTL travel if they are already flying in our skies. Since the evidence shows that they are already here, apparently they have already figured out the physics and technological issues involved with FTL travel.

Even so, like you said, science has already stated that FTL is theoretically possible, it is not unreasonable to assume that a much more advanced species has moved beyond the theoretical.

On a side note this EM Drive looks pretty interesting if it pans out.

-Independent expert confirms that the "impossible" EM Drive actually works


Jon, I'm a physicist over a theorists. The fact is there is no physical body that can travel faster than the speed of light, there's no way to master it. The information that flies through your atoms to stay together is at the speed of light, and if you were to match or break that speed your atoms would essentially collapse, and there's no way to prevent it. It is physically impossible.

The Universe itself is expanding faster than the speed of light (but for different reasons, space is not necessarily a physical body), so it's highly highly unlikely actual terrestrial beings would be able to visit. It's only been this last century that we mastered radio waves, and a while after that before we started sending a broadcast out. Even if they found a way to travel, it's way way too early, because information itself doesn't go faster than the speed of light.

If this evidence truly points to terrestrial beings, I posit they're more likely devils with the purpose of deception, and we know demons aren't subjected to physical laws.

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« Reply #40 on: Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 09:29:52 »
There's something easily missed, here. The universe is constantly expanding, and the speed of its expansion is quite massive. I am opened to the idea of living beings on planets not Earth in the cosmos, but the way our Universe is expanding it's extremely unlikely they'd ever be able to visit (and I'm sure the Lord put a barrier on Earth preventing them to anyway, at least I wouldn't be surprised). That is why I cannot accept intergalactic travels, we would practically have to master time-space, meaning perfecting stable wormholes (since nothing can physically travel faster than the speed of life) to have a chance of visiting other planets, and that science is purely theoretical at this point.


The argument of how they got here from there is irrelevant if they are already here. There is no point arguing about the physics involved with FTL travel if they are already flying in our skies. Since the evidence shows that they are already here, apparently they have already figured out the physics and technological issues involved with FTL travel.

Even so, like you said, science has already stated that FTL is theoretically possible, it is not unreasonable to assume that a much more advanced species has moved beyond the theoretical.

On a side note this EM Drive looks pretty interesting if it pans out.

-Independent expert confirms that the "impossible" EM Drive actually works


Jon, I'm a physicist over a theorists. The fact is there is no physical body that can travel faster than the speed of light, there's no way to master it. The information that flies through your atoms to stay together is at the speed of light, and if you were to match or break that speed your atoms would essentially collapse, and there's no way to prevent it. It is physically impossible.

The Universe itself is expanding faster than the speed of light (but for different reasons, space is not necessarily a physical body), so it's highly highly unlikely actual terrestrial beings would be able to visit. It's only been this last century that we mastered radio waves, and a while after that before we started sending a broadcast out. Even if they found a way to travel, it's way way too early, because information itself doesn't go faster than the speed of light.

If this evidence truly points to terrestrial beings, I posit they're more likely devils with the purpose of deception, and we know demons aren't subjected to physical laws.


Not as far fetched as you may think Lex. We have already transported an atom from one point in space and time to another in an instant.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/602529/Human-teleportation-is-possible-and-your-great-GRANDCHILDREN-will-do-it-claims-scientist

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« Reply #41 on: Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 09:39:57 »
There's something easily missed, here. The universe is constantly expanding, and the speed of its expansion is quite massive. I am opened to the idea of living beings on planets not Earth in the cosmos, but the way our Universe is expanding it's extremely unlikely they'd ever be able to visit (and I'm sure the Lord put a barrier on Earth preventing them to anyway, at least I wouldn't be surprised). That is why I cannot accept intergalactic travels, we would practically have to master time-space, meaning perfecting stable wormholes (since nothing can physically travel faster than the speed of life) to have a chance of visiting other planets, and that science is purely theoretical at this point.


The argument of how they got here from there is irrelevant if they are already here. There is no point arguing about the physics involved with FTL travel if they are already flying in our skies. Since the evidence shows that they are already here, apparently they have already figured out the physics and technological issues involved with FTL travel.

Even so, like you said, science has already stated that FTL is theoretically possible, it is not unreasonable to assume that a much more advanced species has moved beyond the theoretical.

On a side note this EM Drive looks pretty interesting if it pans out.

-Independent expert confirms that the "impossible" EM Drive actually works


Jon, I'm a physicist over a theorists. The fact is there is no physical body that can travel faster than the speed of light, there's no way to master it. The information that flies through your atoms to stay together is at the speed of light, and if you were to match or break that speed your atoms would essentially collapse, and there's no way to prevent it. It is physically impossible.

The Universe itself is expanding faster than the speed of light (but for different reasons, space is not necessarily a physical body), so it's highly highly unlikely actual terrestrial beings would be able to visit. It's only been this last century that we mastered radio waves, and a while after that before we started sending a broadcast out. Even if they found a way to travel, it's way way too early, because information itself doesn't go faster than the speed of light.

If this evidence truly points to terrestrial beings, I posit they're more likely devils with the purpose of deception, and we know demons aren't subjected to physical laws.


Not as far fetched as you may think Lex. We have already transported an atom from one point in space and time to another in an instant.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/602529/Human-teleportation-is-possible-and-your-great-GRANDCHILDREN-will-do-it-claims-scientist


Oi quantum physics is confusion sometimes...

But I do lean more to the idea that the Lord has put a preventive barrier on this planet, but I do admit it's speculation. They're still most likely devils...

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« Reply #42 on: Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 10:37:39 »
But I do lean more to the idea that the Lord has put a preventive barrier on this planet, but I do admit it's speculation. They're still most likely devils...

That's interesting...can you share more about that idea?

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« Reply #43 on: Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 11:14:52 »
But I do lean more to the idea that the Lord has put a preventive barrier on this planet, but I do admit it's speculation. They're still most likely devils...

That's interesting...can you share more about that idea?

The Lord made the Earth for the human race to inhabit and dominate. All of his prophecies and signs are for them and towards them, and all of the epic prophetic events that is to come will take place on this Earth. I can see the Lord creating other species in other systems and planets (He really loves creating), and am even opened to the idea of them being very advanced, perhaps not even with the same nature as us so a lot of our flaws wouldn't get in their way. However, for the sake of prophecy and for the people here, I can also see Him prohibiting them from intervening, especially since this is our planet given by Him. Think of it as the Lord saying "This is between me and them, you lot don't get involved, I will deal with this my own way."

Again it's entirely speculative, but I would not put it past Him.

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« Reply #44 on: Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 11:20:07 »
There's something easily missed, here. The universe is constantly expanding, and the speed of its expansion is quite massive. I am opened to the idea of living beings on planets not Earth in the cosmos, but the way our Universe is expanding it's extremely unlikely they'd ever be able to visit (and I'm sure the Lord put a barrier on Earth preventing them to anyway, at least I wouldn't be surprised). That is why I cannot accept intergalactic travels, we would practically have to master time-space, meaning perfecting stable wormholes (since nothing can physically travel faster than the speed of life) to have a chance of visiting other planets, and that science is purely theoretical at this point.


The argument of how they got here from there is irrelevant if they are already here. There is no point arguing about the physics involved with FTL travel if they are already flying in our skies. Since the evidence shows that they are already here, apparently they have already figured out the physics and technological issues involved with FTL travel.

Even so, like you said, science has already stated that FTL is theoretically possible, it is not unreasonable to assume that a much more advanced species has moved beyond the theoretical.

On a side note this EM Drive looks pretty interesting if it pans out.

-Independent expert confirms that the "impossible" EM Drive actually works


Jon, I'm a physicist over a theorists. The fact is there is no physical body that can travel faster than the speed of light, there's no way to master it. The information that flies through your atoms to stay together is at the speed of light, and if you were to match or break that speed your atoms would essentially collapse, and there's no way to prevent it. It is physically impossible.

The Universe itself is expanding faster than the speed of light (but for different reasons, space is not necessarily a physical body), so it's highly highly unlikely actual terrestrial beings would be able to visit. It's only been this last century that we mastered radio waves, and a while after that before we started sending a broadcast out. Even if they found a way to travel, it's way way too early, because information itself doesn't go faster than the speed of light.

If this evidence truly points to terrestrial beings, I posit they're more likely devils with the purpose of deception, and we know demons aren't subjected to physical laws.


Not as far fetched as you may think Lex. We have already transported an atom from one point in space and time to another in an instant.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/602529/Human-teleportation-is-possible-and-your-great-GRANDCHILDREN-will-do-it-claims-scientist


Oi quantum physics is confusion sometimes...

But I do lean more to the idea that the Lord has put a preventive barrier on this planet, but I do admit it's speculation. They're still most likely devils...


Quantum physics may be confusing to us but maybe not to the ET's. They (not us ) have probably mastered it.  ::giggle::

However, another issue arises when I think about it-- In the beginning God created. If we take genesis literal and God created everything  in 6 days and all of existence is reduced down to the mere 5,000 or so  years going by the geneolgy--- just doesn't seem like enough time for us or any ET's to master quantum mechanics. ::crackup::

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« Reply #45 on: Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 11:29:12 »
There's something easily missed, here. The universe is constantly expanding, and the speed of its expansion is quite massive. I am opened to the idea of living beings on planets not Earth in the cosmos, but the way our Universe is expanding it's extremely unlikely they'd ever be able to visit (and I'm sure the Lord put a barrier on Earth preventing them to anyway, at least I wouldn't be surprised). That is why I cannot accept intergalactic travels, we would practically have to master time-space, meaning perfecting stable wormholes (since nothing can physically travel faster than the speed of life) to have a chance of visiting other planets, and that science is purely theoretical at this point.


The argument of how they got here from there is irrelevant if they are already here. There is no point arguing about the physics involved with FTL travel if they are already flying in our skies. Since the evidence shows that they are already here, apparently they have already figured out the physics and technological issues involved with FTL travel.

Even so, like you said, science has already stated that FTL is theoretically possible, it is not unreasonable to assume that a much more advanced species has moved beyond the theoretical.

On a side note this EM Drive looks pretty interesting if it pans out.

-Independent expert confirms that the "impossible" EM Drive actually works


Jon, I'm a physicist over a theorists. The fact is there is no physical body that can travel faster than the speed of light, there's no way to master it. The information that flies through your atoms to stay together is at the speed of light, and if you were to match or break that speed your atoms would essentially collapse, and there's no way to prevent it. It is physically impossible.

The Universe itself is expanding faster than the speed of light (but for different reasons, space is not necessarily a physical body), so it's highly highly unlikely actual terrestrial beings would be able to visit. It's only been this last century that we mastered radio waves, and a while after that before we started sending a broadcast out. Even if they found a way to travel, it's way way too early, because information itself doesn't go faster than the speed of light.

If this evidence truly points to terrestrial beings, I posit they're more likely devils with the purpose of deception, and we know demons aren't subjected to physical laws.


Not as far fetched as you may think Lex. We have already transported an atom from one point in space and time to another in an instant.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/602529/Human-teleportation-is-possible-and-your-great-GRANDCHILDREN-will-do-it-claims-scientist


Oi quantum physics is confusion sometimes...

But I do lean more to the idea that the Lord has put a preventive barrier on this planet, but I do admit it's speculation. They're still most likely devils...


Quantum physics may be confusing to us but maybe not to the ET's. They (not us ) have probably mastered it.  ::giggle::

However, another issue arises when I think about it-- In the beginning God created. If we take genesis literal and God created everything  in 6 days and all of existence is reduced down to the mere 5,000 or so  years going by the geneolgy--- just doesn't seem like enough time for us or any ET's to master quantum mechanics. ::crackup::


Not gonna lie... we had empires built on a destructive platform by men who only care about power. We had wars fought on some of the stupidest things (not against war, just against war for senseless reasons). The Lord Himself already rebooted this planet once with a flood, and before then angels were coming down and teaching people about things (I'm sure a lot of it was lost in the flood).

We existed here for 6000 years I'd say. What if we didn't have as much wars and empire as we did, and what if the Lord didn't reboot? It's a what if but there's no telling how far we'd be technologically and scientifically.

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« Reply #46 on: Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 12:29:28 »
The Lord made the Earth for the human race to inhabit and dominate. All of his prophecies and signs are for them and towards them, and all of the epic prophetic events that is to come will take place on this Earth. I can see the Lord creating other species in other systems and planets (He really loves creating), and am even opened to the idea of them being very advanced, perhaps not even with the same nature as us so a lot of our flaws wouldn't get in their way. However, for the sake of prophecy and for the people here, I can also see Him prohibiting them from intervening, especially since this is our planet given by Him. Think of it as the Lord saying "This is between me and them, you lot don't get involved, I will deal with this my own way."

Again it's entirely speculative, but I would not put it past Him.

I had a similar theory once.  I even speculated that once Jesus returns, all the end times/judgment stuff has been completed and we are living on the "new earth" that we would be introduced to some of the other creations in the Galaxy.

But like you said, it's all speculation ::nodding::

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« Reply #47 on: Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 12:39:42 »
The Lord made the Earth for the human race to inhabit and dominate. All of his prophecies and signs are for them and towards them, and all of the epic prophetic events that is to come will take place on this Earth. I can see the Lord creating other species in other systems and planets (He really loves creating), and am even opened to the idea of them being very advanced, perhaps not even with the same nature as us so a lot of our flaws wouldn't get in their way. However, for the sake of prophecy and for the people here, I can also see Him prohibiting them from intervening, especially since this is our planet given by Him. Think of it as the Lord saying "This is between me and them, you lot don't get involved, I will deal with this my own way."

Again it's entirely speculative, but I would not put it past Him.

I had a similar theory once.  I even speculated that once Jesus returns, all the end times/judgment stuff has been completed and we are living on the "new earth" that we would be introduced to some of the other creations in the Galaxy.

But like you said, it's all speculation ::nodding::

Those who overcome will rule. The question is rule over what? I do hold it a good possibility.

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« Reply #48 on: Sat Sep 05, 2015 - 13:55:56 »
Quantum physics may be confusing to us but maybe not to the ET's. They (not us ) have probably mastered it.  ::giggle::

However, another issue arises when I think about it-- In the beginning God created. If we take genesis literal and God created everything  in 6 days and all of existence is reduced down to the mere 5,000 or so  years going by the geneolgy--- just doesn't seem like enough time for us or any ET's to master quantum mechanics. ::crackup::

I am of the mind that the universe is 13.8 billion years old. Within this frame work an ET civilization could literally be millions or perhaps billions of years more advanced than our own. I would not be surprised if some of these civilizations were way past quantum mechanics.

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« Reply #49 on: Sat Sep 05, 2015 - 16:14:52 »
We existed here for 6000 years I'd say.
Brother, may I suggest some very good material for you to read: "Creation Timeline" by Tony Warren. You can google it, I find it to be a excellent work on this earth's age with man living on it.  I personally believe that this is earth is around 13,000 years old, based mainly on the scriptures and Carbon dating would add support to that belief, yet the scriptures is our final authority. Read it and let me know what you think. 

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« Reply #50 on: Mon Sep 07, 2015 - 22:06:11 »
I had a similar theory once.  I even speculated that once Jesus returns, all the end times/judgment stuff has been completed and we are living on the "new earth" that we would be introduced to some of the other creations in the Galaxy.

But like you said, it's all speculation ::nodding::

This is a really cool thought.

Its interesting to note that in the New Age movement and some fringe areas of ufology that this idea of a "new earth" also exists and special humans called "star seeds" or "indigo children" will bring about this transition to a new earth and will also inhabit this new earth and learn more about what makes up our reality.

Interesting stuff anyways.

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« Reply #51 on: Tue Sep 15, 2015 - 20:42:50 »
Here is an account of the beginning of the "Belgium Wave" as written by Major General Wilfried De Brouwer (ret.) of the Belgium Air Force.

On a side note, the explanation given by skeptics was Venus. rofl

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Two federal policeman, Heinrich Nicoll and Hubert Von Montigny, made the most important report. At 5:15 p.m., while patrolling on the road between Eupen and the German border, they saw a nearby field lit with such intensity that they could read the newspaper in their car. Hovering above the field was a triangle craft with three spotlights beaming down and a red flashing light at the center. Without making a sound , it moved slowly toward the German border for about two minutes and then suddenly turned back toward the city of Eupen. The policemen followed. Other independent witnesses reported that they saw the strange object along the same road. It remained over the town of Eupen for approximately thirty minutes and was seen by numerous additional witnesses. The object then proceeded to Lake Gileppe, where it remained immobile, hovering for approximately one hour, while Nicoll and Von Montigny sat in their car on a nearby hill and witnessed an extraordinary spectacle. The craft repeatedly emitted two red light beams with a red ball at the spearhead of both beams, in the horizontal plane. Subsequently, the beams disappeared and the red balls returned to the vehicle. A few minutes later, another cycle started, each cycle lasting several minutes. Hubert Von Montigny said it was like a diver shooting an arrow from an underwater gun that slows down at the end of its trajectory and is subsequently retrieved by the diver.
But there was more to come. Suddenly, at 6:45 p.m. the policemen saw a second craft, which appeared from behind the woods and made a forward tilting maneuver, exposing the upper side of the fuselage. They described a dome on the upper structure with rectangular windows, lit on the inside. It then departed to the north. About forty minutes later, at 7:23 p.m., the first craft stopped emitting the red light balls and departed to the southwest. The two policemen, who were in radio contact with their dispatch, learned that another UAP (unidentified aerial phenomenon) had been reported in the north of Eupen, and they drove to an observation point, south of the highway E 40. From that position, they saw the UAP moving to the village of Henri-Chapelle, where two of their police colleagues, Dieter Plumanns and Peter Nicoll (no relation to Heinrich Nicoll), saw the craft approaching from the direction of Eupen.-UFO's Generals, Pilots, And Government Officials Go On The Record/Leslie Kean

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One of the best documented UFO-aircraft incidents, when a UFO was observed flying over the restricted airspace of Tehran, Iran. Two U.S.-made F-4 Phantom II jet fighters of the Imperial Iranian Air Force were scrambled, but as the pilots closed in on the target, their communications and weapons systems were suddenly jammed. The incident was confirmed by high ranking officers of the Iranian Air Force and later documented by several agencies of the U.S. military.-ufoevidence.com


You can hear General Parviz Jafari (ret.), who was the pilot of one of the F-4 jets, speak about his experience chasing the UFO here:
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You can read the report from the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency from the following article called "12 Government Documents That Take UFOs Seriously." In the article scroll down to #9 and you can read more about the Iran UFO incident and also the DIA report that was received via FOIA. Anyways, here is the link: -12 Government Documents That Take UFOs Seriously

Here is an excerpt from the DIA report:
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An outstanding report. This case is a classic which meets all the criteria necessary for a valid study of the UFO phenomenon: a) the object was seen by multiple witnesses from different locations … and viewpoints. b) the credibility of many of the witnesses was high (an Air Force general, qualified air crews, and experienced radar operators). c) visual sightings were confirmed by radar. d) similar electromagnetic effects (EME) were reported by three separate aircraft. e) there were physiological effects on some crew members (i.e. loss of night vision due to the brightness of the object). f) an inordinate amount of maneuverability was displayed by the UFOs.”-DIA report

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« Reply #53 on: Thu Oct 08, 2015 - 08:16:06 »
The following is a lengthy article I wrote on the subject not long ago. As my disclaimer says below, no one knows how events will unfold but, based on scripture and the things I see unfolding before my eyes, I have a suspicion "UFO'S" will have a key role?


Let me preface this article by stating I'm not dogmatic and speculating about my eschatology on exactly “how” end-time events will transpire. Though I'm becoming more convinced that “galactic aliens” will figure into the falling away and one world religion everyday. There are thousands of years of UFO sightings but this generation is seeing and reporting a massive increase of unexplained extraterrestrial phenomenon.  The very nature and history of the phenomenon, it bears the evidence of a huge delusion.

I've always been an eschatology buff and as “the signs of the times” are exponentially unfolding right before our eyes, I'm studying scripture and end-time prophesy like never before. Anxiously awaiting the very near harpazo (rapture) that can happen at any moment.

We're living in the age (last generation) where biblical last days great mysteries are being revealed to us, the Book is being unsealed. My grandfather knew his Bible much better than I do today. When he went to be with the Lord in the early 70's, I don't believe he had much of an idea of the means and technology that could usher in the One World Religion and The One World Government. Much like our thermonuclear age where a nuclear bomb would make sense describing some of the destruction the Bible predicts. A few generations ago who could have imagined what terrestrial force or device could accomplish such devastation? Not to mention bar codes, RFID chips, powerful computers, DNA splicing, GMO foods and the like.

I've often pondered a number of biblical verses on end times and wondered what it meant, what and how would usher it in the New World Order, such as;

(2 Thessalonians 2: 3-4, 11) Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God…. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

(Matthew 24: 24) Jesus said, “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” 




Wow, what a powerful statement! What “lie” could be so powerful that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect, and who is “they” and where is that power coming from? What fantastic event(s) might occur to rapidly usher in “The Son of Perdition”?

Matthew 24: 4, “And take heed that no man deceive you”.

Based on these verses and others, I suspect this falling away and strong delusions will occur suddenly, and not over a span of lengthy time, though I may be wrong and I'm not dogmatic about it. If I'm correct in my view what event(s), who and how can this possibly occur to deceive the entire world? Let's talk some conditioning.

Have you noticed all the constant UFO / alien programs on the History, Discovery, National Geographic channels and many other stations over the last five – ten years? As of a couple of years ago 72 percent of Americans believe in extraterrestrial life, 48 percent believe in UFOs, and 15 percent believe they have seen a UFO.

Not to mention the dozens of Hollywood movies dealing with space aliens, abductions, UFO'S and demonology. Could this possibly be some conditioning before the disclosure of what world governments and the Vatican know and keeping it from public knowledge maybe?

With this in mind before I proceed, do you recall the Halloween October 30, 1938 episode of “The War of the Worlds” narrated on the CBS network by Orson Welles? The localized panic that ensued for those that tuned in late and didn't hear it was a scam? This might be beneficial to understanding any government(s) cover-up. Let's looks at some very well documented facts.

I'm sure everyone is well aware of the July 8, 1947 Roswell UFO Incident, where the government initially disclosed that it was in fact, an alien spacecraft with bodies recovered. Then within just a few hours immediately retracting their statement and claiming it was just a “weather balloon”! I don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist but, even today, 68 years later, the government will not disclose its records on that incident, it's above top secret. Without going into much detail, there were many witnesses and documents that discounts the governments claims of a weather balloon. It's as if they're insulting our intelligence. The evidence and eyewitness testimony is overwhelming.




When you eliminate all the hoaxes and remove all possible natural causes, surgical precise cattle mutilations beyond modern medicines ability and completely drained of blood, elaborate crop circles, alien abductions, and UFO extraterrestrial sightings and thousands of alien abductions seem to be real literal events. It's well documented and without going into depth, reliable credible people such as; presidents, governors, astronauts, military pilots, police, etc. have witnessed and testified to these events. Are they really real, and are they actually interplanetary space beings or evil inter-dimensional beings?

Not long ago we thought we lived in a three dimensional world, length, width and height. Einstein proved that we live in at least four dimensions with the addition of time. It has been proven time is not linear, it is affected by speed, gravity and mass. It's proven that the speed of light (186,000 miles per second) has been slowing down over “time”. Think of the implications for physics of that! Particle and quantum physicists have discovered we apparently live in a universe of TEN dimensions. Just some food for thought as we continue on to the crux of the matter.

The para-physical nature of UFOs in flight would require them to be mass less. These are unrecognized dimensions beyond our three dimensional space-time domain. I believe “time” was created during the creation week for the creation, and all the heavenly host lives outside of time, another dimension with no time restraints.

Matthew 24: 37 Jesus said, “But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be”.

What was the major distinction in Noah's day that caused God to destroy all of mankind?

Genesis 6: 2, 4
2. That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 4. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

I'm well aware of the many respected Bible scholars views for the line of Seth view (Lamech), however I'm not one of them. Without going into depth on the various biblical translations of the text and combining the 1611 KJV Bible, and the Strong's Hebrew to Greek translations of word meanings, it's readily apparent to me the “sons of God” if taken literally are fallen Angels and their offspring are the “Nephilim” hybrids (giants).

It appears that fallen angels can not only assume human form but also eat and “shed (leave) their own habitation”. Recall the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent. I believe this “seed” refers to procreation and genealogical descendants.

A number of founding church fathers and first century historian Flavius Josephus  held the position that angels co-inhabited with woman along with Philo of Alexandria, as did many rabbinical authorities. The Septuagint, a Greek translation of the original Hebrew Old Testament, gives support to the angelic view reading “angels of God” instead of “sons of God”.

There has always been wicked sin in the world that caused God to bring forth judgment “locally”, such as destroying Sodom and Gomorrah, but never the destruction of the earths human population and the animals that the Lord regretted creating. Therefor I submit, along with the wicked sinfulness of man, the Lord destroyed the world by a global flood to destroy the Nephilim that polluted humanities genetic DNA pool, all flesh was corrupted. I think Noah and his immediate family were the few left that didn't have a contaminated DNA gene pool. Satan tried to corrupt the blood line of Jesus in both the old and new testaments via the Nephilim.

Recall that Noah was “perfect” in his generation. Translate the word “perfect” from the Hebrew to Greek, and you'll find it doesn't mean without sin. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. I submit the meaning as without blemish, in other words, his DNA was not corrupted.

An interesting side note: The Bible states the Nephilim were on the earth prior to the flood, and after that! Could it be the “sons of God” (fallen Angels) came back and restarted the whole process again to corrupt the bloodline of Christ? Or an interesting study about Noah's wicked son Ham, that his wife may have been  corrupted with the corrupt Nephilim gene? Back to the topic at hand. 

Some of the following excellent research and documentation material has been gleaned from excellent books such as; “On the Path of the Immortals” and “Exo-Vaticana”, by Thomas Horn & Cris Putnam. I highly recommend these well documented books and the exhaustive research that went into them.



In the interest of brevity, I'm omitting much supporting evidence and documentation. What could be plausible that might possibly happen to almost immediately usher in a One World Government and One World Religion?

Let's first looks at the worlds largest religion with well over one billion followers.  I won't comment on the pagan practices, praying to Mary and the saints for intercession, cult wide child molestations, intermediaries, etc. Let's look at the Vatican.

Since Vatican II, the Catholic church doctrine has drastically changed to that of, can alien extra terrestrials be saved, and be Baptized. And that alien beings might be more moral than us and not in need of a savior. I'm not kidding, this is documented Roman Catholic scarey stuff. Let's take a look at what the Vatican and our government are involved with.

The worlds best optical telescope, the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope (VATT), is located on Mount Graham in Arizona, about eighty miles from Tucson, Arizona. Interestingly, it is owned and operated by the Vatican and NASA. Why is the Vatican so interested in aliens and outer space? The short documented answer is; they want to be the alien representative here on earth. Read on.

Here's something that should make the hair on the back of your neck stand up. There is a device installed on Mount Graham named by the Vatican L.U.C.I.F.E.R. It conveniently stands for, Large Binocular Telescope Near Infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research. It's affectionately referred to as “Lucy”i. No I'm not making this bizarre stuff up!

Here's a statement from the Vatican's top astronomer at Mount Graham.

“The highest levels of Vatican administration and Geo-politics know that, now, knowledge of what's going on in space, and what's approaching us, could be of great import in the next five years, ten years”ii

Luke 21: 26 “Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth; for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

In addition to pestilence, famine, earthquakes, etc. Could some things coming on the earth be open demonic visitations in space craft? Could anyone's heart fail them by such a sight and revelation?



An interesting note to non-biblical prophesy that has been proved to be very, very accurate to date, probably not inspired by God. In the prophesy of the pope's outlined by Saint Malachy O'morgair, known as Saint Malachy, this final pope, Cardinal Trarcisio Bertone, now Pope Francis, is the final pope and is prophesied to be the False Prophet? Based on the fact that he is the first ever Jesuit Pope elected, the history of the Jesuits and his communist views, declaring a one world government is needed and other bazaar statements, as a Pope addressing our Congress and the United Nations for the first time ever this month, and requesting a global solution to our problems, etc. I'm of the view he or his “secretary of state” only second to the Pope, is a likely candidate for the False Prophet, “maybe”? According to scripture, we will not know who the anti-Christ (in place of Christ) is until after the Rapture. I know of nothing scriptural that says the False Prophet can not be identified or revealed before the harpazo. This is just speculation of course but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

So, once again I ask the question and postulate an educated hunch to a possible answer. What event(s) could transpire to cause a “great falling away”, a One World Religion and One World Government, all in a very brief period time?

How about an alien visitation from another planet the government can't hide, and a disclosure that the governments and the Vatican were suppressing what they knew, not to panic the population?

Would these projected advanced galactic alien beings give power to a one world leader to produce signs and wonders in the heavens and on earth to deceive mankind, then demand worship? Tell us the world was seeded by them, and all kinds of lying and wondrous works manifested by the “Son of Perdition”? Would they appoint one of their own (anti-Christ), a possible hybrid Nephilim lying in wait and demand worship of him? With the events and technology unfolding the way it is, I think it might be plausible?

Would these “galactic space saviors” claim to have the solutions for over population, equity, global warming, the earth revolting, etc. the global community is clamoring for?

The Bible is very clear that there are “gates or portals” (generally mountains) the “sons of God” (fallen Angels, Demons, Angelic) use to transport between dimensions, the seen and unseen. The way I interrupt it anyway.



An interesting study in Genesis on the towel of Babel, and the worlds first dictator Nimrod is very telling. These ancient people were not stone age Neanderthal cavemen, they were probably more intelligent than modern man of today. They certainly knew it was folly to attempt to build a structure to reach heaven! Nimrod was “becoming” a mighty man. It's all strange and doesn't make a lot of sense until you read the Septuagint and / or convert the Hebrew word meanings into English.

The Lord said Nimrod and the people would have accomplished it had he not confused their tongues and scattered them around the world. I don't believe it was the evil intent that they tried to build a structure to heaven that offended our Lord, I believe it was something much more sinister, a gate to the heavenly realm, a portal / gate in other words.

I believe what the world is seeing and witnessing is extra-dimensional satanic beings here to deceive the world, possibly the spirits (demons) of the Nephilim destroyed by the flood. Projecting themselves as physical entities and conditioning and deceiving the world to believe they are extra-terrestrial, and not demonic evil at its very core.

Unlike fallen angels, demons (the spirits of the Nephilim, half human and half angelic) have no bodies and are always looking to enter something or someone.

In Christ,

Dennis



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Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
« Reply #54 on: Thu Oct 08, 2015 - 11:28:20 »
That's out there Dennis.

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« Reply #55 on: Fri Oct 09, 2015 - 06:41:41 »
Quote: "Jon, I'm a physicist over a theorists. The fact is there is no physical body that can travel faster than the speed of light, there's no way to master it. The information that flies through your atoms to stay together is at the speed of light, and if you were to match or break that speed your atoms would essentially collapse, and there's no way to prevent it. It is physically impossible.

"The Universe itself is expanding faster than the speed of light (but for different reasons, space is not necessarily a physical body), so it's highly highly unlikely actual terrestrial beings would be able to visit. It's only been this last century that we mastered radio waves, and a while after that before we started sending a broadcast out. Even if they found a way to travel, it's way way too early, because information itself doesn't go faster than the speed of light."

Sorry, but after wading through the above muck I forgot who contributed this intelligent answer......but Thanks.

We have had "Big Foot" sightings here in Kentucky; especially after the corn gets ready.

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« Reply #56 on: Tue Oct 20, 2015 - 20:46:41 »
Yo JonMJ33...
Two friends and I were approximately three hundred feet away from a hovering alien space craft.
I even made a depiction of the craft as we seen it:
http://vnovak.com/ufo14feb2011.html
If anybody has any questions I will be happy to answer them. ::smile::
Val
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« Reply #57 on: Tue Oct 20, 2015 - 20:56:31 »
How come no one is ever able to take a HD pic of a flying saucer or a loch ness monster or whatever, given this is the age of smartphones? It's always blurry or grainy.

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« Reply #58 on: Tue Oct 20, 2015 - 21:53:19 »
I believe what the world is seeing and witnessing is extra-dimensional satanic beings here to deceive the world, possibly the spirits (demons) of the Nephilim destroyed by the flood. Projecting themselves as physical entities and conditioning and deceiving the world to believe they are extra-terrestrial, and not demonic evil at its very core.

Unlike fallen angels, demons (the spirits of the Nephilim, half human and half angelic) have no bodies and are always looking to enter something or someone.

In Christ,

Dennis
I enjoyed your article and you have a lot of interesting things to say. Some I agree with and others I am not  sure about. Ufology is an extremely broad subject, it does not talk about UFO's alone and many things you have said in your article are spoken about in ufology just in different terminology. I tend not to get into to much of that stuff with other people as it is much harder to find evidence for. I am personally very interested in all of it, but I generally post and talk about the cases and subjects that have evidence to back up what I am saying.

What is your opinion regarding angelic intervention or angels in general? Do you think all ET's are bad or are there benevolent ones as well?

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« Reply #59 on: Tue Oct 20, 2015 - 22:11:06 »
Quote: "Jon, I'm a physicist over a theorists. The fact is there is no physical body that can travel faster than the speed of light, there's no way to master it. The information that flies through your atoms to stay together is at the speed of light, and if you were to match or break that speed your atoms would essentially collapse, and there's no way to prevent it. It is physically impossible.

"The Universe itself is expanding faster than the speed of light (but for different reasons, space is not necessarily a physical body), so it's highly highly unlikely actual terrestrial beings would be able to visit. It's only been this last century that we mastered radio waves, and a while after that before we started sending a broadcast out. Even if they found a way to travel, it's way way too early, because information itself doesn't go faster than the speed of light."

Sorry, but after wading through the above muck I forgot who contributed this intelligent answer......but Thanks.

I am well aware of current mainstream scientific consensus and theory and would normally agree that what was posted above is an intelligent answer, but there is one problem. None of it matters if they are already flying around in our atmosphere! The evidence suggests they are already here and as such it would mean that they have already found a way around the scientific and technical issues listed above.

We have had "Big Foot" sightings here in Kentucky; especially after the corn gets ready.
That's nice.

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« Reply #60 on: Tue Oct 20, 2015 - 22:20:48 »
Yo JonMJ33...
Two friends and I were approximately three hundred feet away from a hovering alien space craft.
I even made a depiction of the craft as we seen it:
http://vnovak.com/ufo14feb2011.html
If anybody has any questions I will be happy to answer them.
Val


If what you are saying is true, that is awesome! Although I sky watch a bit just about every night I have personally never seen an actual craft. The following video is what I have seen although when I saw it they were not as numerous. Not sure what these are.

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« Reply #61 on: Tue Oct 20, 2015 - 22:32:41 »
How come no one is ever able to take a HD pic of a flying saucer or a loch ness monster or whatever, given this is the age of smartphones? It's always blurry or grainy.

There are a ridiculous amount of pictures and videos of UFO's on the internet, which ones are real is a different story. Also, while smartphones are amazing and all, I have a Motorola Droid Turbo with a 24 megapixel camera and I have taken pictures of airplanes helicopters and strange lights in the sky and the Super Moons and Blood moons and I must say the quality of those pictures and videos are not what you would expect. Kinda crappy actually, so there is that to take into account. Check out MUFON's website or NICAP, NARCAP, or OpenMinds.tv or ufoevidence.com, they usually have some pics or vids that have been analyzed by experts.

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« Reply #62 on: Wed Oct 21, 2015 - 07:14:16 »
How come no one is ever able to take a HD pic of a flying saucer or a loch ness monster or whatever, given this is the age of smartphones? It's always blurry or grainy.


They're like mice, as soon as they see you they vanish before any evidence can be recorded.  ::giggle::

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« Reply #63 on: Wed Oct 21, 2015 - 08:42:45 »
JonMJ33....
That video shows man made satellites in orbit with the sun reflecting off them.
Some "ufos" have been seen glowing and some moving real fast or just hovering and glowing.
The one we seen did not glow but looked exactly like the depiction I made.
http://vnovak.com/ufo14feb2011.html
Btw the craft we seen was approx at 2 am on a clear moonlit night in summer.
It hovered motionless and noiseless for about a minute.
It left the hover in a horizontal direction instantly,so fast all we could see was a blur.
No noise when it left either.No wind noise.Nothing.We were in awe.
Keep looking up....when you see one,record it cause it might never happen again. ::smile::
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« Reply #64 on: Mon Oct 26, 2015 - 22:35:22 »
JonMJ33....
That video shows man made satellites in orbit with the sun reflecting off them.
Some "ufos" have been seen glowing and some moving real fast or just hovering and glowing.
The one we seen did not glow but looked exactly like the depiction I made.
http://vnovak.com/ufo14feb2011.html
Btw the craft we seen was approx at 2 am on a clear moonlit night in summer.
It hovered motionless and noiseless for about a minute.
It left the hover in a horizontal direction instantly,so fast all we could see was a blur.
No noise when it left either.No wind noise.Nothing.We were in awe.
Keep looking up....when you see one,record it cause it might never happen again. ::smile::


They are not satellites. I know what satellites look like and what the ISS looks like in the night sky and the objects in the video do not behave at all like satellites. I see satellites just about every night. Also the sun can't reflect off of them if the sun is on the opposite side of the planet. The video was taken at ECETI ranch which is visited by people around the world. Research the ranch, you will find it to be a rather interesting place. Also satellites are ruled out by using satellite tracking websites. Satellites travel at a consistent speed and trajectory, which is the exact opposite of what the video shows and what I have seen. Satellites also do not stop change direction stop again disappear and reappear.

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« Reply #65 on: Mon Oct 26, 2015 - 22:44:50 »
How come no one is ever able to take a HD pic of a flying saucer or a loch ness monster or whatever, given this is the age of smartphones? It's always blurry or grainy.


They're like mice, as soon as they see you they vanish before any evidence can be recorded.  ::giggle::

I fail to see how an object vanishing before you can take a picture is so hard to believe? Is it the invisibility part? You do realize are own mainstream science has already made strides in invisibility type technology right?

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« Reply #66 on: Tue Oct 27, 2015 - 08:58:59 »
JonMJ33....
You said:
"Satellites also do not stop change direction stop again disappear and reappear."
Sorry.I didn't know you witnessed objects doing that type of manouvering.
Since my first closeup alien space craft sighting,I have also seen a few of these
  flying objects doing 90 degree turns but not up close.
A close friend of mine ( I was with him at the time ) recorded one in daylight hours making a 90 degree turn.
The craft was travelling horizontally really fast and instantly turned 90 degrees,and
continued at the same rate of speed.No sound , not even wind noise.The craft was
approx between 1/4 and 1/2 mile away but it showed up real clear on the video.
I told him to put it on youtube , but he refuses for fear of being ridiculed.
In my professional opinion this was also an alien space craft.NO government on this
planet has technology like that. ::smile::
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« Reply #67 on: Tue Oct 27, 2015 - 10:42:16 »
How come no one is ever able to take a HD pic of a flying saucer or a loch ness monster or whatever, given this is the age of smartphones? It's always blurry or grainy.


They're like mice, as soon as they see you they vanish before any evidence can be recorded.  ::giggle::

I fail to see how an object vanishing before you can take a picture is so hard to believe? Is it the invisibility part? You do realize are own mainstream science has already made strides in invisibility type technology right?


The humour here is trying to convince us that these crafts are too "shy" to be photographed, hence the reference to mice. Still giggling.  ::giggle::

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« Reply #68 on: Thu Oct 29, 2015 - 05:02:22 »
JonMJ33....
You said:
"Satellites also do not stop change direction stop again disappear and reappear."
Sorry.I didn't know you witnessed objects doing that type of manouvering.
Since my first closeup alien space craft sighting,I have also seen a few of these
  flying objects doing 90 degree turns but not up close.
A close friend of mine ( I was with him at the time ) recorded one in daylight hours making a 90 degree turn.
The craft was travelling horizontally really fast and instantly turned 90 degrees,and
continued at the same rate of speed.No sound , not even wind noise.The craft was
approx between 1/4 and 1/2 mile away but it showed up real clear on the video.
I told him to put it on youtube , but he refuses for fear of being ridiculed.
In my professional opinion this was also an alien space craft.NO government on this
planet has technology like that. ::smile::
Val

No worries.

Your friend should definitely post the video. Maybe if it is good enough he/she could present it to MUFON.

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« Reply #69 on: Thu Oct 29, 2015 - 05:13:26 »
How come no one is ever able to take a HD pic of a flying saucer or a loch ness monster or whatever, given this is the age of smartphones? It's always blurry or grainy.


They're like mice, as soon as they see you they vanish before any evidence can be recorded.  ::giggle::

I fail to see how an object vanishing before you can take a picture is so hard to believe? Is it the invisibility part? You do realize are own mainstream science has already made strides in invisibility type technology right?


The humour here is trying to convince us that these crafts are too "shy" to be photographed, hence the reference to mice. Still giggling.  ::giggle::

Still not sure why its funny? Who said anything about being "shy?"

My main focus is to show that this phenomenon is real. Beyond that, such as how they got here, why they are here and what they are doing is another question. Why they don't want to be fully seen is a matter of speculation. I don't mind speculating, just so long as people know that that part of the conversation is speculation. So again, I don't see why it is funny