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Title: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Sat Aug 22, 2015 - 17:27:26
I am wondering what peoples opinions are with respect to the UFO phenomenon and how it may relate to various End Time theories? I suppose I will also start this discussion with the following:
In the spring of 2013, 40 witnesses from around the world including Apollo 14 Astronaut Edgar Mitchell, former Canadian Defense Minister Paul Hellyer along with military personnel, intelligence personnel, defense contractors, government officials, physicists, historians, lawyers and researchers who testified before former members of the Senate and Congress about the reality of the UFO phenomenon.

Here is the trailer for the "Citizen Hearing On Disclosure."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paFhgWqb100 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paFhgWqb100)

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Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Amo on Sun Aug 23, 2015 - 11:23:47
Check out a documentary called SIRIUS. It is about UFO and alien phenomenon, and a new form of contact with the same labeled CE-5, close encounters of the fifth kind. It involves meditative techniques through which we initiate contact with aliens who are not necessarily just from other planets, but are trans-dimensional beings. They are correct, fallen angels are trans-dimensional beings. It also addresses new science being withheld from us, dealing specifically with creating energy sources which are not fossil fuel dependent, which would of course fit well into the environment movement going on which the Pope has now written an Encyclical about. This new CE-5 is also about bringing humanity together as one, from a scientific perspective rather than a religious one. Yet they both do and will employ dangerous meditative practices opening up the mind to satanic influences.

One world government and the unification of humanity in rebellion against God are prophetic realities established in scripture. The meditative practices being employed by false religion, science, the medical field, and now alien seekers is a tie that binds them all to satanic influences aimed at that very goal. The Catholic Church which also seeks to establish the unification of humanity under her guiding influence heavily supports meditative practices seeking the silence. Many "Protestant" denominations are getting heavily involved in the same also. Those who will empty their minds through these meditative practices will each experience contact with beings, or suggestive thoughts leading them towards the false unity which the scriptures predict will take place right before the end.

God never told us to empty our minds to be influenced by whatever powers may be present when we do so. We are to fill our minds with biblical truth, that we might identify and combat deception. Why should true Christians be involved in meditative practices which all the false religions of the world practice also, and now many of science and alien seekers as well? It is deception. These meditative practices convert no one to the truth, but rather lead them all in one direction through their various gods and disciplines. They are not of God.

Mt 4:3  And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4  But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5  Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6  And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7  Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8  Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9  And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10  Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: kaoticprofit on Sun Aug 23, 2015 - 14:16:56
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Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 - 15:23:40
Check out a documentary called SIRIUS. It is about UFO and alien phenomenon, and a new form of contact with the same labeled CE-5, close encounters of the fifth kind. It involves meditative techniques through which we initiate contact with aliens who are not necessarily just from other planets, but are trans-dimensional beings. They are correct, fallen angels are trans-dimensional beings. It also addresses new science being withheld from us, dealing specifically with creating energy sources which are not fossil fuel dependent, which would of course fit well into the environment movement going on which the Pope has now written an Encyclical about. This new CE-5 is also about bringing humanity together as one, from a scientific perspective rather than a religious one. Yet they both do and will employ dangerous meditative practices opening up the mind to satanic influences.

I have seen that documentary. I think it is a very good one, with the exception of the 6 inch "supposed" alien that was later found to be not alien. I am of the opinion that this has nothing to do with satanism. I think that there is a possibility that there are benevolent and malevolent ET's and they could be the same as what people refer to as angels and demons, but that is just speculation on my part.

Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 - 15:32:26

CATHOLIC!

Psalms 1:1-2  Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.   But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

I wonder what your thoughts are with regard to what the Vatican's stance on the issue of ET's? Considering what has come out in public statements and such.

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Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Texas Conservative on Sun Aug 23, 2015 - 15:37:16
UFO's did land in Roswell.  They were from the fourth planet of the Ventarus Idrilon system. 
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 - 17:15:44
UFO's did land in Roswell.  They were from the fourth planet of the Ventarus Idrilon system.


That's nice.

So do you have anything useful to contribute to this conversation?
Perhaps you would like to address the information I presented?

Also regarding Roswell, Major Jesse Marcel who was one of the first on the scene in Roswell and is the one in the famous picture holding a piece of a downed weather balloon later on in life came out with what he really knew about the incident. You can hear him speak about it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=548HTymqpcY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=548HTymqpcY)

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Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Amo on Sun Aug 23, 2015 - 20:40:57
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One world government and the unification of humanity in rebellion against God are prophetic realities established in scripture.

There is no one world government mentioned in scripture.  You've been misled and continue to be misled.

It's people like you who cause people like me to always remain...

CATHOLIC!

Psalms 1:1-2  Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.   But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

Rev 13:11 ¶  And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12  And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13  And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14  And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15  And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16  And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

The above highlighted verses not only indicate, but require a one world governing body, or at the very least a cooperation between all of the worlds governing bodies. Which cooperation of course, would require an institution to plan and execute the same. Enter Rome.

Excerpts from
ENCYCLICAL LETTER
CARITAS IN VERITATE
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
BENEDICT XVI
TO THE BISHOPS
PRIESTS AND DEACONS
MEN AND WOMEN RELIGIOUS
THE LAY FAITHFUL
AND ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL
ON INTEGRAL HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
IN CHARITY AND TRUTH

His was certainly a social teaching of great importance: he underlined the indispensable importance of the Gospel for building a society according to freedom and justice, in the ideal and historical perspective of a civilization animated by love. Paul VI clearly understood that the social question had become worldwide  and he grasped the interconnection between the impetus towards the unification of humanity and the Christian ideal of a single family of peoples in solidarity and fraternity.

, but only on Christ, to whom every authentic vocation to integral human development must be directed. The Gospel is fundamental for development, because in the Gospel, Christ, “in the very revelation of the mystery of the Father and of his love, fully reveals humanity to itself”. Taught by her Lord, the Church examines the signs of the times and interprets them, offering the world “what she possesses as her characteristic attribute: a global vision of man and of the human race”

67. In the face of the unrelenting growth of global interdependence, there is a strongly felt need, even in the midst of a global recession, for a reform of the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth. One also senses the urgent need to find innovative ways of implementing the principle of the responsibility to protectand of giving poorer nations an effective voice in shared decision-making. This seems necessary in order to arrive at a political, juridical and economic order which can increase and give direction to international cooperation for the development of all peoples in solidarity. To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority,

Furthermore, such an authority would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights. Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties, and also with the coordinated measures adopted in various international forums. Without this, despite the great progress accomplished in various sectors, international law would risk being conditioned by the balance of power among the strongest nations.


Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Jd34 on Mon Aug 24, 2015 - 09:36:44
Our Bible doesnt confirm or deny the existence of ET's running around in space ships.  However, there is a verse that comes to
mind when I think of space ships

King James Bible: 2Kings
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Just not real sure what is being described there.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Mon Aug 24, 2015 - 21:43:52
Our Bible doesnt confirm or deny the existence of ET's running around in space ships.  However, there is a verse that comes to
mind when I think of space ships

King James Bible: 2Kings
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Just not real sure what is being described there.

Yup, I always wondered about that verse and others as well. Also the account of Ezekiel and the wheel within a wheel. Very interesting indeed!
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Jaime on Mon Aug 24, 2015 - 21:49:13
Ezekiel's wheels are WAY weird.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Alan on Tue Aug 25, 2015 - 07:18:55
UFO's did land in Roswell.  They were from the fourth planet of the Ventarus Idrilon system.

That's nice.

So do you have anything useful to contribute to this conversation?
Perhaps you would like to address the information I presented?

Also regarding Roswell, Major Jesse Marcel who was one of the first on the scene in Roswell and is the one in the famous picture holding a piece of a downed weather balloon later on in life came out with what he really knew about the incident. You can hear him speak about it here:



Slightly rehearsed and over dramatic account. The truth is not contained within the conspiracy theory nuts whom are every bit as steeped in hyperbole as religious fanatics.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Tue Aug 25, 2015 - 21:45:15
Slightly rehearsed and over dramatic account.
Irrelevant with regards to whether or not his testimony is factual or not. Also that was a clip from a documentary.

The truth is not contained within the conspiracy theory nuts whom are every bit as steeped in hyperbole as religious fanatics.
Absolutely correct! The truth is in the EVIDENCE that supports the theory!
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Alan on Wed Aug 26, 2015 - 07:29:27
Slightly rehearsed and over dramatic account.
Irrelevant with regards to whether or not his testimony is factual or not. Also that was a clip from a documentary.

The truth is not contained within the conspiracy theory nuts whom are every bit as steeped in hyperbole as religious fanatics.
Absolutely correct! The truth lies in the EVIDENCE that supports the theory.


This is not evidence, it's a testimony, true or false.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: skeeter on Wed Aug 26, 2015 - 23:33:48

CATHOLIC!

Psalms 1:1-2  Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.   But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

I wonder what your thoughts are with regard to what the Vatican's stance on the issue of ET's? Considering what has come out in public statements and such.

[link removed]

did your link involve anything to do with France, something going around it and a 'portal' to the.... 'otherside' that the Vatican is involved in?
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Sat Aug 29, 2015 - 14:50:21
This is not evidence, it's a testimony, true or false.

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In the law, testimony is a form of evidence that is obtained from a witness who makes a solemn statement or declaration of fact.-Wikipedia/Testimony (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testimony)

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In law, rules of evidence govern the types of evidence that are admissible in a legal proceeding. Types of legal evidence include testimony, documentary evidence, and physical evidence.-Wikipedia/Evidence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence)
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Sat Aug 29, 2015 - 14:57:41
did your link involve anything to do with France, something going around it and a 'portal' to the.... 'otherside' that the Vatican is involved in?


-Vatican Scientist Thinks Aliens May Exist -- But Not An Alien Jesus (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/vatican-observatory-alien-jesus_55bf8ae3e4b0d4f33a03586a)

-Pope Francis Talks About Aliens; Says He Would Welcome Martians to Receive Baptism (http://www.christianpost.com/news/pope-francis-talks-about-aliens-says-he-would-welcome-martians-to-receive-baptism-119630/)
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Tue Sep 01, 2015 - 01:40:08
Slightly rehearsed and over dramatic account.

Irrelevant with regards to whether or not his testimony is factual or not. Also that was a clip from a documentary.

The truth is not contained within the conspiracy theory nuts whom are every bit as steeped in hyperbole as religious fanatics.

Absolutely correct! The truth lies in the EVIDENCE that supports the theory.



This is not evidence, it's a testimony, true or false.


Speaking of evidence, here's an excerpt about the Tehran 1976 UFO incident from the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency's report along with historian Richard Dolan's -12 Government Documents That Take UFO's Seriously (http://www.richarddolanpress.com/#!twelve-government-documents/cg96)

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An outstanding report. This case is a classic which meets all the criteria necessary for a valid study of the UFO phenomenon: a) the object was seen by multiple witnesses from different locations … and viewpoints. b) the credibility of many of the witnesses was high (an Air Force general, qualified air crews, and experienced radar operators). c) visual sightings were confirmed by radar. d) similar electromagnetic effects (EME) were reported by three separate aircraft. e) there were physiological effects on some crew members (i.e. loss of night vision due to the brightness of the object). f) an inordinate amount of maneuverability was displayed by the UFOs.-12 Government Documents That Take UFO's Seriously ([url]http://www.richarddolanpress.com/#[/url]!twelve-government-documents/cg96)


Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: RB on Tue Sep 01, 2015 - 02:50:05
I am wondering what peoples opinions are with respect to the UFO phenomenon and how it may relate to various End Time theories?
Not one thing. The reason being is that it is not mentioned within the scriptures of truth.  When people are void of spiritual understanding, then they naturally gravitate toward fables, etc. 
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Tue Sep 01, 2015 - 20:00:21
Not one thing. The reason being is that it is not mentioned within the scriptures of truth.  When people are void of spiritual understanding, then they naturally gravitate toward fables, etc.

I suppose as to whether or not such things are mentioned in the scriptures is a matter of interpretation. Lots of people interpret the account at the beginning of Ezekiel as a UFO, some refer to the entity/vehicle that followed Moses through the desert and other so called "merkaba riders" in the Bible. Personally, I find such instances in the Bible very intriguing but I don't place a whole lot of value to them.

As for the information I am presenting, fables??
Could you be a bit more specific? What specifically do you have an issue with?
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: kaoticprofit on Tue Sep 01, 2015 - 20:22:38
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Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Alan on Wed Sep 02, 2015 - 07:37:42
Gotta laugh when the idea of an extraordinary intelligent species that has mastered time and space can be hid in secrecy by the governmental system of our tiny planet.  ::giggle::
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: DaveW on Wed Sep 02, 2015 - 10:40:21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjd265vNIlQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjd265vNIlQ)
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Jd34 on Wed Sep 02, 2015 - 11:06:04
I find it funny how people seem to have no problem at all believing in God, angels and demons but when the subject of ufo's and ET's come up , it gets scoffed and laughed at.  There is no way that anyone can rule them out. 

I suspect if the rapture in fact happens, those left behind will chalk it up to a mass alien abduction.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: LexKnight on Wed Sep 02, 2015 - 11:38:07
I find it funny how people seem to have no problem at all believing in God, angels and demons but when the subject of ufo's and ET's come up , it gets scoffed and laughed at.  There is no way that anyone can rule them out. 

I suspect if the rapture in fact happens, those left behind will chalk it up to a mass alien abduction.

There's something easily missed, here. The universe is constantly expanding, and the speed of its expansion is quite massive. I am opened to the idea of living beings on planets not Earth in the cosmos, but the way our Universe is expanding it's extremely unlikely they'd ever be able to visit (and I'm sure the Lord put a barrier on Earth preventing them to anyway, at least I wouldn't be surprised). That is why I cannot accept intergalactic travels, we would practically have to master time-space, meaning perfecting stable wormholes (since nothing can physically travel faster than the speed of life) to have a chance of visiting other planets, and that science is purely theoretical at this point.

Therefore if the Earth did get a visit from Galactic beings, there's a good chance it's devils deceiving.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: DaveW on Wed Sep 02, 2015 - 11:39:00
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Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Alan on Wed Sep 02, 2015 - 12:25:02
I find it funny how people seem to have no problem at all believing in God, angels and demons but when the subject of ufo's and ET's come up , it gets scoffed and laughed at.  There is no way that anyone can rule them out. 



Yes, some are also closed to the idea that life exists elsewhere, we have no evidence to support life outside of our planet nor can we dismiss the plausibility of life existing out there, but I do believe it is in God's hands and there is no real comparison to accepting scripture which points to God and the hypothesis of UFO's and aliens.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: RB on Wed Sep 02, 2015 - 14:26:12
I see you as the one who's void of spiritual understanding.


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Isaiah 45:18~"For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else."

In the beginning God~period! ALL THINGS were made by him: and without him was NOT ANYTHING MADE that was made~period! According to God's testimony this earth was created to be inhabited, and this is not said of any of other planet.  This world as we know it, is the only place that God is actively involved with and is concern with. This earth is where his children dwell. This earth is where his Son died, apart from this earth God cannot be known, for he himself has limited himself to the children of men that lived here, and here alone. 
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Fascinated_By_Mysteries on Wed Sep 02, 2015 - 15:47:11
God only mentioned earth being inhabited. Period. God said he created heavens and mentioned no life outside of it. Period. Anything else is assumptions, with no hard evidence, just guesses and interpretations here and there of what might be of alien origin. However there is NO hard evidence of Aliens in the bible. Until proven otherwise any idea is either false. You can't just say there's an invisible unicorn in your room because you believe so(even if something explainable like a cup fell off your table for no reason, you can't just assume with your own logic its a unicorn that did it). It is false until proven otherwise.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Jd34 on Wed Sep 02, 2015 - 23:18:37
God only mentioned earth being inhabited. Period. God said he created heavens and mentioned no life outside of it. Period. Anything else is assumptions, with no hard evidence, just guesses and interpretations here and there of what might be of alien origin. However there is NO hard evidence of Aliens in the bible. Until proven otherwise any idea is either false. You can't just say there's an invisible unicorn in your room because you believe so(even if something explainable like a cup fell off your table for no reason, you can't just assume with your own logic its a unicorn that did it). It is false until proven otherwise.

Skeptics will tell you the same about God.



Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 03:36:15
Gotta laugh when the idea of an extraordinary intelligent species that has mastered time and space can be hid in secrecy by the governmental system of our tiny planet.  ::giggle::

For starters this whole statement rests on certain assumptions.
Are you sure those assumptions are accurate?

Secondly, your statement is irrelevant with regards to whether or not they are actually here. Whether our government or some other group is hiding everything or not is a non issue when you have actual UFO's flying over head.

How it is happening and why it is happening is an entirely separate topic, and discussion on that topic is pure speculation. Having said that, there are some pretty good arguments and ideas about that.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 03:38:18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjd265vNIlQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjd265vNIlQ)

Lovely  ::smile::
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 03:39:15
I find it funny how people seem to have no problem at all believing in God, angels and demons but when the subject of ufo's and ET's come up , it gets scoffed and laughed at.  There is no way that anyone can rule them out. 

Agreed  ::clappingoverhead::
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: chosenone on Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 03:57:01
I find it funny how people seem to have no problem at all believing in God, angels and demons but when the subject of ufo's and ET's come up , it gets scoffed and laughed at.  There is no way that anyone can rule them out. 

I suspect if the rapture in fact happens, those left behind will chalk it up to a mass alien abduction.

Could that be because God, angels and demons are all talked about in the Bible?

Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 03:57:47
There's something easily missed, here. The universe is constantly expanding, and the speed of its expansion is quite massive. I am opened to the idea of living beings on planets not Earth in the cosmos, but the way our Universe is expanding it's extremely unlikely they'd ever be able to visit (and I'm sure the Lord put a barrier on Earth preventing them to anyway, at least I wouldn't be surprised). That is why I cannot accept intergalactic travels, we would practically have to master time-space, meaning perfecting stable wormholes (since nothing can physically travel faster than the speed of life) to have a chance of visiting other planets, and that science is purely theoretical at this point.


The argument of how they got here from there is irrelevant if they are already here. There is no point arguing about the physics involved with FTL travel if they are already flying in our skies. Since the evidence shows that they are already here, apparently they have already figured out the physics and technological issues involved with FTL travel.

Even so, like you said, science has already stated that FTL is theoretically possible, it is not unreasonable to assume that a much more advanced species has moved beyond the theoretical.

On a side note this EM Drive looks pretty interesting if it pans out.

-Independent expert confirms that the "impossible" EM Drive actually works (http://www.sciencealert.com/independent-scientists-confirm-that-the-impossible-em-drive-produces-thrust)
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 04:50:20
God only mentioned earth being inhabited. Period. God said he created heavens and mentioned no life outside of it. Period. Anything else is assumptions, with no hard evidence, just guesses and interpretations here and there of what might be of alien origin. However there is NO hard evidence of Aliens in the bible. Until proven otherwise any idea is either false. You can't just say there's an invisible unicorn in your room because you believe so(even if something explainable like a cup fell off your table for no reason, you can't just assume with your own logic its a unicorn that did it). It is false until proven otherwise.

What if a unicorn was hovering over a nuclear missile facility and was glowing brightly and was seen by many witnesses and then it shuts down the nuclear missiles? What if a full report was made on the event and the same thing happened to other nuclear missile facilities? Turns out that this exact scenario did happen except it was not a unicorn, it was a UFO.
Here is a National Press Club event from 2010 with several military officers testifying about events involving UFO's and the nuclear facilities they were assigned to.
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Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Fascinated_By_Mysteries on Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 06:34:05
God only mentioned earth being inhabited. Period. God said he created heavens and mentioned no life outside of it. Period. Anything else is assumptions, with no hard evidence, just guesses and interpretations here and there of what might be of alien origin. However there is NO hard evidence of Aliens in the bible. Until proven otherwise any idea is either false. You can't just say there's an invisible unicorn in your room because you believe so(even if something explainable like a cup fell off your table for no reason, you can't just assume with your own logic its a unicorn that did it). It is false until proven otherwise.

What if a unicorn was hovering over a nuclear missile facility and was glowing brightly and was seen by many witnesses and then it shuts down the nuclear missiles? What if a full report was made on the event and the same thing happened to other nuclear missile facilities? Turns out that this exact scenario did happen except it was not a unicorn, it was a UFO.
Here is a National Press Club event from 2010 with several military officers testifying about events involving UFO's and the nuclear facilities they were assigned to.
[youtube]! No longer available ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jUU4Z8QdHI#[/url])[/youtube]


Thats the other thing, take a look at the belief in aliens without bias. I used to belueve in them too. But supposedly aliens have been around ever since moses. Theyve been visiting us since then. They are also supposed to be hoghly intelligent and can travel at high speed....yet for 6k years not one has been seen in public, and they have no real agenda as nothing is happening. Even though theyve been around for a long time they are never explicitly mentioned in the bible. Ever. Also why blame the incidents on aliens? Why not angels, or a sign from heaven or anything. The fact is another race is pointless, why would God need to make more personalities when the amount of people here on earth can just continue to make people. Then you have a problem of whether aliens have sinned or not. Did jesus die for them as well? If so do they know he died for them? Or does God send a form of jesus to die for each different aliem species.aliens are supposed to have technology to travel fast, yet the government actually manages to hide them? Like i said there is no hard evidence simply personal assumptions.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 06:59:14
Thats the other thing, take a look at the belief in aliens without bias. I used to belueve in them too.

I did not believe in UFO's or aliens for the majority of my life. It was the evidence that led me to it. I am not afraid of being wrong, in fact I am glad when I am wrong because it means I am one step closer to truth.
yet for 6k years not one has been seen in public,

Really? Have you read any of this thread? The evidence says the opposite.

and they have no real agenda as nothing is happening.

How do you know this?
Even though theyve been around for a long time they are never explicitly mentioned in the bible. Ever.

I suppose that depends on your interpretation of the Bible.
Also why blame the incidents on aliens? Why not angels, or a sign from heaven or anything. The fact is another race is pointless, why would God need to make more personalities when the amount of people here on earth can just continue to make people. Then you have a problem of whether aliens have sinned or not. Did jesus die for them as well? If so do they know he died for them? Or does God send a form of jesus to die for each different aliem species.aliens are supposed to have technology to travel fast, yet the government actually manages to hide them? Like i said there is no hard evidence simply personal assumptions.

All of that is irrelevant with regards to whether they are already here, and the evidence suggests that they are.

Also with regards to an alien Jesus, the Vatican has all that taken care of, lol. Check out these articles about the Vatican's stance on the issue.

-Vatican Scientist Thinks Aliens May Exist -- But Not An Alien Jesus (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/vatican-observatory-alien-jesus_55bf8ae3e4b0d4f33a03586a)
-Pope Francis Talks About Aliens; Says He Would Welcome Martians to Receive Baptism (http://www.christianpost.com/news/pope-francis-talks-about-aliens-says-he-would-welcome-martians-to-receive-baptism-119630/)
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Alan on Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 07:37:48
I find it funny how people seem to have no problem at all believing in God, angels and demons but when the subject of ufo's and ET's come up , it gets scoffed and laughed at.  There is no way that anyone can rule them out. 

I suspect if the rapture in fact happens, those left behind will chalk it up to a mass alien abduction.

Could that be because God, angels and demons are all talked about in the Bible?


Yes, those things have been written about in the scriptures, the literary documents to which we hinge our faith. UFOs and aliens, however plausible are simply hypothesis and/or myth.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: LexKnight on Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 09:22:44
There's something easily missed, here. The universe is constantly expanding, and the speed of its expansion is quite massive. I am opened to the idea of living beings on planets not Earth in the cosmos, but the way our Universe is expanding it's extremely unlikely they'd ever be able to visit (and I'm sure the Lord put a barrier on Earth preventing them to anyway, at least I wouldn't be surprised). That is why I cannot accept intergalactic travels, we would practically have to master time-space, meaning perfecting stable wormholes (since nothing can physically travel faster than the speed of life) to have a chance of visiting other planets, and that science is purely theoretical at this point.


The argument of how they got here from there is irrelevant if they are already here. There is no point arguing about the physics involved with FTL travel if they are already flying in our skies. Since the evidence shows that they are already here, apparently they have already figured out the physics and technological issues involved with FTL travel.

Even so, like you said, science has already stated that FTL is theoretically possible, it is not unreasonable to assume that a much more advanced species has moved beyond the theoretical.

On a side note this EM Drive looks pretty interesting if it pans out.

-Independent expert confirms that the "impossible" EM Drive actually works ([url]http://www.sciencealert.com/independent-scientists-confirm-that-the-impossible-em-drive-produces-thrust[/url])


Jon, I'm a physicist over a theorists. The fact is there is no physical body that can travel faster than the speed of light, there's no way to master it. The information that flies through your atoms to stay together is at the speed of light, and if you were to match or break that speed your atoms would essentially collapse, and there's no way to prevent it. It is physically impossible.

The Universe itself is expanding faster than the speed of light (but for different reasons, space is not necessarily a physical body), so it's highly highly unlikely actual terrestrial beings would be able to visit. It's only been this last century that we mastered radio waves, and a while after that before we started sending a broadcast out. Even if they found a way to travel, it's way way too early, because information itself doesn't go faster than the speed of light.

If this evidence truly points to terrestrial beings, I posit they're more likely devils with the purpose of deception, and we know demons aren't subjected to physical laws.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Jd34 on Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 09:29:52
There's something easily missed, here. The universe is constantly expanding, and the speed of its expansion is quite massive. I am opened to the idea of living beings on planets not Earth in the cosmos, but the way our Universe is expanding it's extremely unlikely they'd ever be able to visit (and I'm sure the Lord put a barrier on Earth preventing them to anyway, at least I wouldn't be surprised). That is why I cannot accept intergalactic travels, we would practically have to master time-space, meaning perfecting stable wormholes (since nothing can physically travel faster than the speed of life) to have a chance of visiting other planets, and that science is purely theoretical at this point.


The argument of how they got here from there is irrelevant if they are already here. There is no point arguing about the physics involved with FTL travel if they are already flying in our skies. Since the evidence shows that they are already here, apparently they have already figured out the physics and technological issues involved with FTL travel.

Even so, like you said, science has already stated that FTL is theoretically possible, it is not unreasonable to assume that a much more advanced species has moved beyond the theoretical.

On a side note this EM Drive looks pretty interesting if it pans out.

-Independent expert confirms that the "impossible" EM Drive actually works ([url]http://www.sciencealert.com/independent-scientists-confirm-that-the-impossible-em-drive-produces-thrust[/url])


Jon, I'm a physicist over a theorists. The fact is there is no physical body that can travel faster than the speed of light, there's no way to master it. The information that flies through your atoms to stay together is at the speed of light, and if you were to match or break that speed your atoms would essentially collapse, and there's no way to prevent it. It is physically impossible.

The Universe itself is expanding faster than the speed of light (but for different reasons, space is not necessarily a physical body), so it's highly highly unlikely actual terrestrial beings would be able to visit. It's only been this last century that we mastered radio waves, and a while after that before we started sending a broadcast out. Even if they found a way to travel, it's way way too early, because information itself doesn't go faster than the speed of light.

If this evidence truly points to terrestrial beings, I posit they're more likely devils with the purpose of deception, and we know demons aren't subjected to physical laws.


Not as far fetched as you may think Lex. We have already transported an atom from one point in space and time to another in an instant.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/602529/Human-teleportation-is-possible-and-your-great-GRANDCHILDREN-will-do-it-claims-scientist (http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/602529/Human-teleportation-is-possible-and-your-great-GRANDCHILDREN-will-do-it-claims-scientist)
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: LexKnight on Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 09:39:57
There's something easily missed, here. The universe is constantly expanding, and the speed of its expansion is quite massive. I am opened to the idea of living beings on planets not Earth in the cosmos, but the way our Universe is expanding it's extremely unlikely they'd ever be able to visit (and I'm sure the Lord put a barrier on Earth preventing them to anyway, at least I wouldn't be surprised). That is why I cannot accept intergalactic travels, we would practically have to master time-space, meaning perfecting stable wormholes (since nothing can physically travel faster than the speed of life) to have a chance of visiting other planets, and that science is purely theoretical at this point.


The argument of how they got here from there is irrelevant if they are already here. There is no point arguing about the physics involved with FTL travel if they are already flying in our skies. Since the evidence shows that they are already here, apparently they have already figured out the physics and technological issues involved with FTL travel.

Even so, like you said, science has already stated that FTL is theoretically possible, it is not unreasonable to assume that a much more advanced species has moved beyond the theoretical.

On a side note this EM Drive looks pretty interesting if it pans out.

-Independent expert confirms that the "impossible" EM Drive actually works ([url]http://www.sciencealert.com/independent-scientists-confirm-that-the-impossible-em-drive-produces-thrust[/url])


Jon, I'm a physicist over a theorists. The fact is there is no physical body that can travel faster than the speed of light, there's no way to master it. The information that flies through your atoms to stay together is at the speed of light, and if you were to match or break that speed your atoms would essentially collapse, and there's no way to prevent it. It is physically impossible.

The Universe itself is expanding faster than the speed of light (but for different reasons, space is not necessarily a physical body), so it's highly highly unlikely actual terrestrial beings would be able to visit. It's only been this last century that we mastered radio waves, and a while after that before we started sending a broadcast out. Even if they found a way to travel, it's way way too early, because information itself doesn't go faster than the speed of light.

If this evidence truly points to terrestrial beings, I posit they're more likely devils with the purpose of deception, and we know demons aren't subjected to physical laws.


Not as far fetched as you may think Lex. We have already transported an atom from one point in space and time to another in an instant.
[url]http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/602529/Human-teleportation-is-possible-and-your-great-GRANDCHILDREN-will-do-it-claims-scientist[/url] ([url]http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/602529/Human-teleportation-is-possible-and-your-great-GRANDCHILDREN-will-do-it-claims-scientist[/url])


Oi quantum physics is confusion sometimes...

But I do lean more to the idea that the Lord has put a preventive barrier on this planet, but I do admit it's speculation. They're still most likely devils...
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: k-pappy on Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 10:37:39
But I do lean more to the idea that the Lord has put a preventive barrier on this planet, but I do admit it's speculation. They're still most likely devils...

That's interesting...can you share more about that idea?
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: LexKnight on Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 11:14:52
But I do lean more to the idea that the Lord has put a preventive barrier on this planet, but I do admit it's speculation. They're still most likely devils...

That's interesting...can you share more about that idea?

The Lord made the Earth for the human race to inhabit and dominate. All of his prophecies and signs are for them and towards them, and all of the epic prophetic events that is to come will take place on this Earth. I can see the Lord creating other species in other systems and planets (He really loves creating), and am even opened to the idea of them being very advanced, perhaps not even with the same nature as us so a lot of our flaws wouldn't get in their way. However, for the sake of prophecy and for the people here, I can also see Him prohibiting them from intervening, especially since this is our planet given by Him. Think of it as the Lord saying "This is between me and them, you lot don't get involved, I will deal with this my own way."

Again it's entirely speculative, but I would not put it past Him.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Jd34 on Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 11:20:07
There's something easily missed, here. The universe is constantly expanding, and the speed of its expansion is quite massive. I am opened to the idea of living beings on planets not Earth in the cosmos, but the way our Universe is expanding it's extremely unlikely they'd ever be able to visit (and I'm sure the Lord put a barrier on Earth preventing them to anyway, at least I wouldn't be surprised). That is why I cannot accept intergalactic travels, we would practically have to master time-space, meaning perfecting stable wormholes (since nothing can physically travel faster than the speed of life) to have a chance of visiting other planets, and that science is purely theoretical at this point.


The argument of how they got here from there is irrelevant if they are already here. There is no point arguing about the physics involved with FTL travel if they are already flying in our skies. Since the evidence shows that they are already here, apparently they have already figured out the physics and technological issues involved with FTL travel.

Even so, like you said, science has already stated that FTL is theoretically possible, it is not unreasonable to assume that a much more advanced species has moved beyond the theoretical.

On a side note this EM Drive looks pretty interesting if it pans out.

-Independent expert confirms that the "impossible" EM Drive actually works ([url]http://www.sciencealert.com/independent-scientists-confirm-that-the-impossible-em-drive-produces-thrust[/url])


Jon, I'm a physicist over a theorists. The fact is there is no physical body that can travel faster than the speed of light, there's no way to master it. The information that flies through your atoms to stay together is at the speed of light, and if you were to match or break that speed your atoms would essentially collapse, and there's no way to prevent it. It is physically impossible.

The Universe itself is expanding faster than the speed of light (but for different reasons, space is not necessarily a physical body), so it's highly highly unlikely actual terrestrial beings would be able to visit. It's only been this last century that we mastered radio waves, and a while after that before we started sending a broadcast out. Even if they found a way to travel, it's way way too early, because information itself doesn't go faster than the speed of light.

If this evidence truly points to terrestrial beings, I posit they're more likely devils with the purpose of deception, and we know demons aren't subjected to physical laws.


Not as far fetched as you may think Lex. We have already transported an atom from one point in space and time to another in an instant.
[url]http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/602529/Human-teleportation-is-possible-and-your-great-GRANDCHILDREN-will-do-it-claims-scientist[/url] ([url]http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/602529/Human-teleportation-is-possible-and-your-great-GRANDCHILDREN-will-do-it-claims-scientist[/url])


Oi quantum physics is confusion sometimes...

But I do lean more to the idea that the Lord has put a preventive barrier on this planet, but I do admit it's speculation. They're still most likely devils...


Quantum physics may be confusing to us but maybe not to the ET's. They (not us ) have probably mastered it.  ::giggle::

However, another issue arises when I think about it-- In the beginning God created. If we take genesis literal and God created everything  in 6 days and all of existence is reduced down to the mere 5,000 or so  years going by the geneolgy--- just doesn't seem like enough time for us or any ET's to master quantum mechanics. ::crackup::
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: LexKnight on Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 11:29:12
There's something easily missed, here. The universe is constantly expanding, and the speed of its expansion is quite massive. I am opened to the idea of living beings on planets not Earth in the cosmos, but the way our Universe is expanding it's extremely unlikely they'd ever be able to visit (and I'm sure the Lord put a barrier on Earth preventing them to anyway, at least I wouldn't be surprised). That is why I cannot accept intergalactic travels, we would practically have to master time-space, meaning perfecting stable wormholes (since nothing can physically travel faster than the speed of life) to have a chance of visiting other planets, and that science is purely theoretical at this point.


The argument of how they got here from there is irrelevant if they are already here. There is no point arguing about the physics involved with FTL travel if they are already flying in our skies. Since the evidence shows that they are already here, apparently they have already figured out the physics and technological issues involved with FTL travel.

Even so, like you said, science has already stated that FTL is theoretically possible, it is not unreasonable to assume that a much more advanced species has moved beyond the theoretical.

On a side note this EM Drive looks pretty interesting if it pans out.

-Independent expert confirms that the "impossible" EM Drive actually works ([url]http://www.sciencealert.com/independent-scientists-confirm-that-the-impossible-em-drive-produces-thrust[/url])


Jon, I'm a physicist over a theorists. The fact is there is no physical body that can travel faster than the speed of light, there's no way to master it. The information that flies through your atoms to stay together is at the speed of light, and if you were to match or break that speed your atoms would essentially collapse, and there's no way to prevent it. It is physically impossible.

The Universe itself is expanding faster than the speed of light (but for different reasons, space is not necessarily a physical body), so it's highly highly unlikely actual terrestrial beings would be able to visit. It's only been this last century that we mastered radio waves, and a while after that before we started sending a broadcast out. Even if they found a way to travel, it's way way too early, because information itself doesn't go faster than the speed of light.

If this evidence truly points to terrestrial beings, I posit they're more likely devils with the purpose of deception, and we know demons aren't subjected to physical laws.


Not as far fetched as you may think Lex. We have already transported an atom from one point in space and time to another in an instant.
[url]http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/602529/Human-teleportation-is-possible-and-your-great-GRANDCHILDREN-will-do-it-claims-scientist[/url] ([url]http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/602529/Human-teleportation-is-possible-and-your-great-GRANDCHILDREN-will-do-it-claims-scientist[/url])


Oi quantum physics is confusion sometimes...

But I do lean more to the idea that the Lord has put a preventive barrier on this planet, but I do admit it's speculation. They're still most likely devils...


Quantum physics may be confusing to us but maybe not to the ET's. They (not us ) have probably mastered it.  ::giggle::

However, another issue arises when I think about it-- In the beginning God created. If we take genesis literal and God created everything  in 6 days and all of existence is reduced down to the mere 5,000 or so  years going by the geneolgy--- just doesn't seem like enough time for us or any ET's to master quantum mechanics. ::crackup::


Not gonna lie... we had empires built on a destructive platform by men who only care about power. We had wars fought on some of the stupidest things (not against war, just against war for senseless reasons). The Lord Himself already rebooted this planet once with a flood, and before then angels were coming down and teaching people about things (I'm sure a lot of it was lost in the flood).

We existed here for 6000 years I'd say. What if we didn't have as much wars and empire as we did, and what if the Lord didn't reboot? It's a what if but there's no telling how far we'd be technologically and scientifically.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: k-pappy on Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 12:29:28
The Lord made the Earth for the human race to inhabit and dominate. All of his prophecies and signs are for them and towards them, and all of the epic prophetic events that is to come will take place on this Earth. I can see the Lord creating other species in other systems and planets (He really loves creating), and am even opened to the idea of them being very advanced, perhaps not even with the same nature as us so a lot of our flaws wouldn't get in their way. However, for the sake of prophecy and for the people here, I can also see Him prohibiting them from intervening, especially since this is our planet given by Him. Think of it as the Lord saying "This is between me and them, you lot don't get involved, I will deal with this my own way."

Again it's entirely speculative, but I would not put it past Him.

I had a similar theory once.  I even speculated that once Jesus returns, all the end times/judgment stuff has been completed and we are living on the "new earth" that we would be introduced to some of the other creations in the Galaxy.

But like you said, it's all speculation ::nodding::
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: LexKnight on Thu Sep 03, 2015 - 12:39:42
The Lord made the Earth for the human race to inhabit and dominate. All of his prophecies and signs are for them and towards them, and all of the epic prophetic events that is to come will take place on this Earth. I can see the Lord creating other species in other systems and planets (He really loves creating), and am even opened to the idea of them being very advanced, perhaps not even with the same nature as us so a lot of our flaws wouldn't get in their way. However, for the sake of prophecy and for the people here, I can also see Him prohibiting them from intervening, especially since this is our planet given by Him. Think of it as the Lord saying "This is between me and them, you lot don't get involved, I will deal with this my own way."

Again it's entirely speculative, but I would not put it past Him.

I had a similar theory once.  I even speculated that once Jesus returns, all the end times/judgment stuff has been completed and we are living on the "new earth" that we would be introduced to some of the other creations in the Galaxy.

But like you said, it's all speculation ::nodding::

Those who overcome will rule. The question is rule over what? I do hold it a good possibility.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Sat Sep 05, 2015 - 13:55:56
Quantum physics may be confusing to us but maybe not to the ET's. They (not us ) have probably mastered it.  ::giggle::

However, another issue arises when I think about it-- In the beginning God created. If we take genesis literal and God created everything  in 6 days and all of existence is reduced down to the mere 5,000 or so  years going by the geneolgy--- just doesn't seem like enough time for us or any ET's to master quantum mechanics. ::crackup::

I am of the mind that the universe is 13.8 billion years old. Within this frame work an ET civilization could literally be millions or perhaps billions of years more advanced than our own. I would not be surprised if some of these civilizations were way past quantum mechanics.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: RB on Sat Sep 05, 2015 - 16:14:52
We existed here for 6000 years I'd say.
Brother, may I suggest some very good material for you to read: "Creation Timeline" by Tony Warren. You can google it, I find it to be a excellent work on this earth's age with man living on it.  I personally believe that this is earth is around 13,000 years old, based mainly on the scriptures and Carbon dating would add support to that belief, yet the scriptures is our final authority. Read it and let me know what you think. 
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Mon Sep 07, 2015 - 22:06:11
I had a similar theory once.  I even speculated that once Jesus returns, all the end times/judgment stuff has been completed and we are living on the "new earth" that we would be introduced to some of the other creations in the Galaxy.

But like you said, it's all speculation ::nodding::

This is a really cool thought.

Its interesting to note that in the New Age movement and some fringe areas of ufology that this idea of a "new earth" also exists and special humans called "star seeds" or "indigo children" will bring about this transition to a new earth and will also inhabit this new earth and learn more about what makes up our reality.

Interesting stuff anyways.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Tue Sep 15, 2015 - 20:42:50
Here is an account of the beginning of the "Belgium Wave" as written by Major General Wilfried De Brouwer (ret.) of the Belgium Air Force.

On a side note, the explanation given by skeptics was Venus. rofl

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Two federal policeman, Heinrich Nicoll and Hubert Von Montigny, made the most important report. At 5:15 p.m., while patrolling on the road between Eupen and the German border, they saw a nearby field lit with such intensity that they could read the newspaper in their car. Hovering above the field was a triangle craft with three spotlights beaming down and a red flashing light at the center. Without making a sound , it moved slowly toward the German border for about two minutes and then suddenly turned back toward the city of Eupen. The policemen followed. Other independent witnesses reported that they saw the strange object along the same road. It remained over the town of Eupen for approximately thirty minutes and was seen by numerous additional witnesses. The object then proceeded to Lake Gileppe, where it remained immobile, hovering for approximately one hour, while Nicoll and Von Montigny sat in their car on a nearby hill and witnessed an extraordinary spectacle. The craft repeatedly emitted two red light beams with a red ball at the spearhead of both beams, in the horizontal plane. Subsequently, the beams disappeared and the red balls returned to the vehicle. A few minutes later, another cycle started, each cycle lasting several minutes. Hubert Von Montigny said it was like a diver shooting an arrow from an underwater gun that slows down at the end of its trajectory and is subsequently retrieved by the diver.
But there was more to come. Suddenly, at 6:45 p.m. the policemen saw a second craft, which appeared from behind the woods and made a forward tilting maneuver, exposing the upper side of the fuselage. They described a dome on the upper structure with rectangular windows, lit on the inside. It then departed to the north. About forty minutes later, at 7:23 p.m., the first craft stopped emitting the red light balls and departed to the southwest. The two policemen, who were in radio contact with their dispatch, learned that another UAP (unidentified aerial phenomenon) had been reported in the north of Eupen, and they drove to an observation point, south of the highway E 40. From that position, they saw the UAP moving to the village of Henri-Chapelle, where two of their police colleagues, Dieter Plumanns and Peter Nicoll (no relation to Heinrich Nicoll), saw the craft approaching from the direction of Eupen.-UFO's Generals, Pilots, And Government Officials Go On The Record/Leslie Kean
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Thu Oct 01, 2015 - 06:03:50
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One of the best documented UFO-aircraft incidents, when a UFO was observed flying over the restricted airspace of Tehran, Iran. Two U.S.-made F-4 Phantom II jet fighters of the Imperial Iranian Air Force were scrambled, but as the pilots closed in on the target, their communications and weapons systems were suddenly jammed. The incident was confirmed by high ranking officers of the Iranian Air Force and later documented by several agencies of the U.S. military.-ufoevidence.com ([url]http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case200.htm[/url])


You can hear General Parviz Jafari (ret.), who was the pilot of one of the F-4 jets, speak about his experience chasing the UFO here:
[youtube]! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJydT3AZ370#)[/youtube]

You can read the report from the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency from the following article called "12 Government Documents That Take UFOs Seriously." In the article scroll down to #9 and you can read more about the Iran UFO incident and also the DIA report that was received via FOIA. Anyways, here is the link: -12 Government Documents That Take UFOs Seriously (http://www.richarddolanpress.com/#!twelve-government-documents/cg96)

Here is an excerpt from the DIA report:
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An outstanding report. This case is a classic which meets all the criteria necessary for a valid study of the UFO phenomenon: a) the object was seen by multiple witnesses from different locations … and viewpoints. b) the credibility of many of the witnesses was high (an Air Force general, qualified air crews, and experienced radar operators). c) visual sightings were confirmed by radar. d) similar electromagnetic effects (EME) were reported by three separate aircraft. e) there were physiological effects on some crew members (i.e. loss of night vision due to the brightness of the object). f) an inordinate amount of maneuverability was displayed by the UFOs.”-DIA report
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Dennis1209 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 - 08:16:06
The following is a lengthy article I wrote on the subject not long ago. As my disclaimer says below, no one knows how events will unfold but, based on scripture and the things I see unfolding before my eyes, I have a suspicion "UFO'S" will have a key role?


Let me preface this article by stating I'm not dogmatic and speculating about my eschatology on exactly “how” end-time events will transpire. Though I'm becoming more convinced that “galactic aliens” will figure into the falling away and one world religion everyday. There are thousands of years of UFO sightings but this generation is seeing and reporting a massive increase of unexplained extraterrestrial phenomenon.  The very nature and history of the phenomenon, it bears the evidence of a huge delusion.

I've always been an eschatology buff and as “the signs of the times” are exponentially unfolding right before our eyes, I'm studying scripture and end-time prophesy like never before. Anxiously awaiting the very near harpazo (rapture) that can happen at any moment.

We're living in the age (last generation) where biblical last days great mysteries are being revealed to us, the Book is being unsealed. My grandfather knew his Bible much better than I do today. When he went to be with the Lord in the early 70's, I don't believe he had much of an idea of the means and technology that could usher in the One World Religion and The One World Government. Much like our thermonuclear age where a nuclear bomb would make sense describing some of the destruction the Bible predicts. A few generations ago who could have imagined what terrestrial force or device could accomplish such devastation? Not to mention bar codes, RFID chips, powerful computers, DNA splicing, GMO foods and the like.

I've often pondered a number of biblical verses on end times and wondered what it meant, what and how would usher it in the New World Order, such as;

(2 Thessalonians 2: 3-4, 11) Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God…. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

(Matthew 24: 24) Jesus said, “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” 




Wow, what a powerful statement! What “lie” could be so powerful that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect, and who is “they” and where is that power coming from? What fantastic event(s) might occur to rapidly usher in “The Son of Perdition”?

Matthew 24: 4, “And take heed that no man deceive you”.

Based on these verses and others, I suspect this falling away and strong delusions will occur suddenly, and not over a span of lengthy time, though I may be wrong and I'm not dogmatic about it. If I'm correct in my view what event(s), who and how can this possibly occur to deceive the entire world? Let's talk some conditioning.

Have you noticed all the constant UFO / alien programs on the History, Discovery, National Geographic channels and many other stations over the last five – ten years? As of a couple of years ago 72 percent of Americans believe in extraterrestrial life, 48 percent believe in UFOs, and 15 percent believe they have seen a UFO.

Not to mention the dozens of Hollywood movies dealing with space aliens, abductions, UFO'S and demonology. Could this possibly be some conditioning before the disclosure of what world governments and the Vatican know and keeping it from public knowledge maybe?

With this in mind before I proceed, do you recall the Halloween October 30, 1938 episode of “The War of the Worlds” narrated on the CBS network by Orson Welles? The localized panic that ensued for those that tuned in late and didn't hear it was a scam? This might be beneficial to understanding any government(s) cover-up. Let's looks at some very well documented facts.

I'm sure everyone is well aware of the July 8, 1947 Roswell UFO Incident, where the government initially disclosed that it was in fact, an alien spacecraft with bodies recovered. Then within just a few hours immediately retracting their statement and claiming it was just a “weather balloon”! I don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist but, even today, 68 years later, the government will not disclose its records on that incident, it's above top secret. Without going into much detail, there were many witnesses and documents that discounts the governments claims of a weather balloon. It's as if they're insulting our intelligence. The evidence and eyewitness testimony is overwhelming.




When you eliminate all the hoaxes and remove all possible natural causes, surgical precise cattle mutilations beyond modern medicines ability and completely drained of blood, elaborate crop circles, alien abductions, and UFO extraterrestrial sightings and thousands of alien abductions seem to be real literal events. It's well documented and without going into depth, reliable credible people such as; presidents, governors, astronauts, military pilots, police, etc. have witnessed and testified to these events. Are they really real, and are they actually interplanetary space beings or evil inter-dimensional beings?

Not long ago we thought we lived in a three dimensional world, length, width and height. Einstein proved that we live in at least four dimensions with the addition of time. It has been proven time is not linear, it is affected by speed, gravity and mass. It's proven that the speed of light (186,000 miles per second) has been slowing down over “time”. Think of the implications for physics of that! Particle and quantum physicists have discovered we apparently live in a universe of TEN dimensions. Just some food for thought as we continue on to the crux of the matter.

The para-physical nature of UFOs in flight would require them to be mass less. These are unrecognized dimensions beyond our three dimensional space-time domain. I believe “time” was created during the creation week for the creation, and all the heavenly host lives outside of time, another dimension with no time restraints.

Matthew 24: 37 Jesus said, “But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be”.

What was the major distinction in Noah's day that caused God to destroy all of mankind?

Genesis 6: 2, 4
2. That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 4. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

I'm well aware of the many respected Bible scholars views for the line of Seth view (Lamech), however I'm not one of them. Without going into depth on the various biblical translations of the text and combining the 1611 KJV Bible, and the Strong's Hebrew to Greek translations of word meanings, it's readily apparent to me the “sons of God” if taken literally are fallen Angels and their offspring are the “Nephilim” hybrids (giants).

It appears that fallen angels can not only assume human form but also eat and “shed (leave) their own habitation”. Recall the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent. I believe this “seed” refers to procreation and genealogical descendants.

A number of founding church fathers and first century historian Flavius Josephus  held the position that angels co-inhabited with woman along with Philo of Alexandria, as did many rabbinical authorities. The Septuagint, a Greek translation of the original Hebrew Old Testament, gives support to the angelic view reading “angels of God” instead of “sons of God”.

There has always been wicked sin in the world that caused God to bring forth judgment “locally”, such as destroying Sodom and Gomorrah, but never the destruction of the earths human population and the animals that the Lord regretted creating. Therefor I submit, along with the wicked sinfulness of man, the Lord destroyed the world by a global flood to destroy the Nephilim that polluted humanities genetic DNA pool, all flesh was corrupted. I think Noah and his immediate family were the few left that didn't have a contaminated DNA gene pool. Satan tried to corrupt the blood line of Jesus in both the old and new testaments via the Nephilim.

Recall that Noah was “perfect” in his generation. Translate the word “perfect” from the Hebrew to Greek, and you'll find it doesn't mean without sin. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. I submit the meaning as without blemish, in other words, his DNA was not corrupted.

An interesting side note: The Bible states the Nephilim were on the earth prior to the flood, and after that! Could it be the “sons of God” (fallen Angels) came back and restarted the whole process again to corrupt the bloodline of Christ? Or an interesting study about Noah's wicked son Ham, that his wife may have been  corrupted with the corrupt Nephilim gene? Back to the topic at hand. 

Some of the following excellent research and documentation material has been gleaned from excellent books such as; “On the Path of the Immortals” and “Exo-Vaticana”, by Thomas Horn & Cris Putnam. I highly recommend these well documented books and the exhaustive research that went into them.



In the interest of brevity, I'm omitting much supporting evidence and documentation. What could be plausible that might possibly happen to almost immediately usher in a One World Government and One World Religion?

Let's first looks at the worlds largest religion with well over one billion followers.  I won't comment on the pagan practices, praying to Mary and the saints for intercession, cult wide child molestations, intermediaries, etc. Let's look at the Vatican.

Since Vatican II, the Catholic church doctrine has drastically changed to that of, can alien extra terrestrials be saved, and be Baptized. And that alien beings might be more moral than us and not in need of a savior. I'm not kidding, this is documented Roman Catholic scarey stuff. Let's take a look at what the Vatican and our government are involved with.

The worlds best optical telescope, the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope (VATT), is located on Mount Graham in Arizona, about eighty miles from Tucson, Arizona. Interestingly, it is owned and operated by the Vatican and NASA. Why is the Vatican so interested in aliens and outer space? The short documented answer is; they want to be the alien representative here on earth. Read on.

Here's something that should make the hair on the back of your neck stand up. There is a device installed on Mount Graham named by the Vatican L.U.C.I.F.E.R. It conveniently stands for, Large Binocular Telescope Near Infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research. It's affectionately referred to as “Lucy”i. No I'm not making this bizarre stuff up!

Here's a statement from the Vatican's top astronomer at Mount Graham.

“The highest levels of Vatican administration and Geo-politics know that, now, knowledge of what's going on in space, and what's approaching us, could be of great import in the next five years, ten years”ii

Luke 21: 26 “Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth; for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

In addition to pestilence, famine, earthquakes, etc. Could some things coming on the earth be open demonic visitations in space craft? Could anyone's heart fail them by such a sight and revelation?



An interesting note to non-biblical prophesy that has been proved to be very, very accurate to date, probably not inspired by God. In the prophesy of the pope's outlined by Saint Malachy O'morgair, known as Saint Malachy, this final pope, Cardinal Trarcisio Bertone, now Pope Francis, is the final pope and is prophesied to be the False Prophet? Based on the fact that he is the first ever Jesuit Pope elected, the history of the Jesuits and his communist views, declaring a one world government is needed and other bazaar statements, as a Pope addressing our Congress and the United Nations for the first time ever this month, and requesting a global solution to our problems, etc. I'm of the view he or his “secretary of state” only second to the Pope, is a likely candidate for the False Prophet, “maybe”? According to scripture, we will not know who the anti-Christ (in place of Christ) is until after the Rapture. I know of nothing scriptural that says the False Prophet can not be identified or revealed before the harpazo. This is just speculation of course but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

So, once again I ask the question and postulate an educated hunch to a possible answer. What event(s) could transpire to cause a “great falling away”, a One World Religion and One World Government, all in a very brief period time?

How about an alien visitation from another planet the government can't hide, and a disclosure that the governments and the Vatican were suppressing what they knew, not to panic the population?

Would these projected advanced galactic alien beings give power to a one world leader to produce signs and wonders in the heavens and on earth to deceive mankind, then demand worship? Tell us the world was seeded by them, and all kinds of lying and wondrous works manifested by the “Son of Perdition”? Would they appoint one of their own (anti-Christ), a possible hybrid Nephilim lying in wait and demand worship of him? With the events and technology unfolding the way it is, I think it might be plausible?

Would these “galactic space saviors” claim to have the solutions for over population, equity, global warming, the earth revolting, etc. the global community is clamoring for?

The Bible is very clear that there are “gates or portals” (generally mountains) the “sons of God” (fallen Angels, Demons, Angelic) use to transport between dimensions, the seen and unseen. The way I interrupt it anyway.



An interesting study in Genesis on the towel of Babel, and the worlds first dictator Nimrod is very telling. These ancient people were not stone age Neanderthal cavemen, they were probably more intelligent than modern man of today. They certainly knew it was folly to attempt to build a structure to reach heaven! Nimrod was “becoming” a mighty man. It's all strange and doesn't make a lot of sense until you read the Septuagint and / or convert the Hebrew word meanings into English.

The Lord said Nimrod and the people would have accomplished it had he not confused their tongues and scattered them around the world. I don't believe it was the evil intent that they tried to build a structure to heaven that offended our Lord, I believe it was something much more sinister, a gate to the heavenly realm, a portal / gate in other words.

I believe what the world is seeing and witnessing is extra-dimensional satanic beings here to deceive the world, possibly the spirits (demons) of the Nephilim destroyed by the flood. Projecting themselves as physical entities and conditioning and deceiving the world to believe they are extra-terrestrial, and not demonic evil at its very core.

Unlike fallen angels, demons (the spirits of the Nephilim, half human and half angelic) have no bodies and are always looking to enter something or someone.

In Christ,

Dennis


Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Alan on Thu Oct 08, 2015 - 11:28:20
That's out there Dennis.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Tyler on Fri Oct 09, 2015 - 06:41:41
Quote: "Jon, I'm a physicist over a theorists. The fact is there is no physical body that can travel faster than the speed of light, there's no way to master it. The information that flies through your atoms to stay together is at the speed of light, and if you were to match or break that speed your atoms would essentially collapse, and there's no way to prevent it. It is physically impossible.

"The Universe itself is expanding faster than the speed of light (but for different reasons, space is not necessarily a physical body), so it's highly highly unlikely actual terrestrial beings would be able to visit. It's only been this last century that we mastered radio waves, and a while after that before we started sending a broadcast out. Even if they found a way to travel, it's way way too early, because information itself doesn't go faster than the speed of light."

Sorry, but after wading through the above muck I forgot who contributed this intelligent answer......but Thanks.

We have had "Big Foot" sightings here in Kentucky; especially after the corn gets ready.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: val5662 on Tue Oct 20, 2015 - 20:46:41
Yo JonMJ33...
Two friends and I were approximately three hundred feet away from a hovering alien space craft.
I even made a depiction of the craft as we seen it:
http://vnovak.com/ufo14feb2011.html (http://vnovak.com/ufo14feb2011.html)
If anybody has any questions I will be happy to answer them. ::smile::
Val
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: LexKnight on Tue Oct 20, 2015 - 20:56:31
How come no one is ever able to take a HD pic of a flying saucer or a loch ness monster or whatever, given this is the age of smartphones? It's always blurry or grainy.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Tue Oct 20, 2015 - 21:53:19
I believe what the world is seeing and witnessing is extra-dimensional satanic beings here to deceive the world, possibly the spirits (demons) of the Nephilim destroyed by the flood. Projecting themselves as physical entities and conditioning and deceiving the world to believe they are extra-terrestrial, and not demonic evil at its very core.

Unlike fallen angels, demons (the spirits of the Nephilim, half human and half angelic) have no bodies and are always looking to enter something or someone.

In Christ,

Dennis
I enjoyed your article and you have a lot of interesting things to say. Some I agree with and others I am not  sure about. Ufology is an extremely broad subject, it does not talk about UFO's alone and many things you have said in your article are spoken about in ufology just in different terminology. I tend not to get into to much of that stuff with other people as it is much harder to find evidence for. I am personally very interested in all of it, but I generally post and talk about the cases and subjects that have evidence to back up what I am saying.

What is your opinion regarding angelic intervention or angels in general? Do you think all ET's are bad or are there benevolent ones as well?
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Tue Oct 20, 2015 - 22:11:06
Quote: "Jon, I'm a physicist over a theorists. The fact is there is no physical body that can travel faster than the speed of light, there's no way to master it. The information that flies through your atoms to stay together is at the speed of light, and if you were to match or break that speed your atoms would essentially collapse, and there's no way to prevent it. It is physically impossible.

"The Universe itself is expanding faster than the speed of light (but for different reasons, space is not necessarily a physical body), so it's highly highly unlikely actual terrestrial beings would be able to visit. It's only been this last century that we mastered radio waves, and a while after that before we started sending a broadcast out. Even if they found a way to travel, it's way way too early, because information itself doesn't go faster than the speed of light."

Sorry, but after wading through the above muck I forgot who contributed this intelligent answer......but Thanks.

I am well aware of current mainstream scientific consensus and theory and would normally agree that what was posted above is an intelligent answer, but there is one problem. None of it matters if they are already flying around in our atmosphere! The evidence suggests they are already here and as such it would mean that they have already found a way around the scientific and technical issues listed above.

We have had "Big Foot" sightings here in Kentucky; especially after the corn gets ready.
That's nice.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Tue Oct 20, 2015 - 22:20:48
Yo JonMJ33...
Two friends and I were approximately three hundred feet away from a hovering alien space craft.
I even made a depiction of the craft as we seen it:
[url]http://vnovak.com/ufo14feb2011.html[/url] ([url]http://vnovak.com/ufo14feb2011.html[/url])
If anybody has any questions I will be happy to answer them.
Val


If what you are saying is true, that is awesome! Although I sky watch a bit just about every night I have personally never seen an actual craft. The following video is what I have seen although when I saw it they were not as numerous. Not sure what these are.

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Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Tue Oct 20, 2015 - 22:32:41
How come no one is ever able to take a HD pic of a flying saucer or a loch ness monster or whatever, given this is the age of smartphones? It's always blurry or grainy.

There are a ridiculous amount of pictures and videos of UFO's on the internet, which ones are real is a different story. Also, while smartphones are amazing and all, I have a Motorola Droid Turbo with a 24 megapixel camera and I have taken pictures of airplanes helicopters and strange lights in the sky and the Super Moons and Blood moons and I must say the quality of those pictures and videos are not what you would expect. Kinda crappy actually, so there is that to take into account. Check out MUFON's website or NICAP, NARCAP, or OpenMinds.tv or ufoevidence.com, they usually have some pics or vids that have been analyzed by experts.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Alan on Wed Oct 21, 2015 - 07:14:16
How come no one is ever able to take a HD pic of a flying saucer or a loch ness monster or whatever, given this is the age of smartphones? It's always blurry or grainy.


They're like mice, as soon as they see you they vanish before any evidence can be recorded.  ::giggle::
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: val5662 on Wed Oct 21, 2015 - 08:42:45
JonMJ33....
That video shows man made satellites in orbit with the sun reflecting off them.
Some "ufos" have been seen glowing and some moving real fast or just hovering and glowing.
The one we seen did not glow but looked exactly like the depiction I made.
http://vnovak.com/ufo14feb2011.html (http://vnovak.com/ufo14feb2011.html)
Btw the craft we seen was approx at 2 am on a clear moonlit night in summer.
It hovered motionless and noiseless for about a minute.
It left the hover in a horizontal direction instantly,so fast all we could see was a blur.
No noise when it left either.No wind noise.Nothing.We were in awe.
Keep looking up....when you see one,record it cause it might never happen again. ::smile::
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Mon Oct 26, 2015 - 22:35:22
JonMJ33....
That video shows man made satellites in orbit with the sun reflecting off them.
Some "ufos" have been seen glowing and some moving real fast or just hovering and glowing.
The one we seen did not glow but looked exactly like the depiction I made.
[url]http://vnovak.com/ufo14feb2011.html[/url] ([url]http://vnovak.com/ufo14feb2011.html[/url])
Btw the craft we seen was approx at 2 am on a clear moonlit night in summer.
It hovered motionless and noiseless for about a minute.
It left the hover in a horizontal direction instantly,so fast all we could see was a blur.
No noise when it left either.No wind noise.Nothing.We were in awe.
Keep looking up....when you see one,record it cause it might never happen again. ::smile::


They are not satellites. I know what satellites look like and what the ISS looks like in the night sky and the objects in the video do not behave at all like satellites. I see satellites just about every night. Also the sun can't reflect off of them if the sun is on the opposite side of the planet. The video was taken at ECETI ranch which is visited by people around the world. Research the ranch, you will find it to be a rather interesting place. Also satellites are ruled out by using satellite tracking websites. Satellites travel at a consistent speed and trajectory, which is the exact opposite of what the video shows and what I have seen. Satellites also do not stop change direction stop again disappear and reappear.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Mon Oct 26, 2015 - 22:44:50
How come no one is ever able to take a HD pic of a flying saucer or a loch ness monster or whatever, given this is the age of smartphones? It's always blurry or grainy.


They're like mice, as soon as they see you they vanish before any evidence can be recorded.  ::giggle::

I fail to see how an object vanishing before you can take a picture is so hard to believe? Is it the invisibility part? You do realize are own mainstream science has already made strides in invisibility type technology right?
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: val5662 on Tue Oct 27, 2015 - 08:58:59
JonMJ33....
You said:
"Satellites also do not stop change direction stop again disappear and reappear."
Sorry.I didn't know you witnessed objects doing that type of manouvering.
Since my first closeup alien space craft sighting,I have also seen a few of these
  flying objects doing 90 degree turns but not up close.
A close friend of mine ( I was with him at the time ) recorded one in daylight hours making a 90 degree turn.
The craft was travelling horizontally really fast and instantly turned 90 degrees,and
continued at the same rate of speed.No sound , not even wind noise.The craft was
approx between 1/4 and 1/2 mile away but it showed up real clear on the video.
I told him to put it on youtube , but he refuses for fear of being ridiculed.
In my professional opinion this was also an alien space craft.NO government on this
planet has technology like that. ::smile::
Val
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Alan on Tue Oct 27, 2015 - 10:42:16
How come no one is ever able to take a HD pic of a flying saucer or a loch ness monster or whatever, given this is the age of smartphones? It's always blurry or grainy.


They're like mice, as soon as they see you they vanish before any evidence can be recorded.  ::giggle::

I fail to see how an object vanishing before you can take a picture is so hard to believe? Is it the invisibility part? You do realize are own mainstream science has already made strides in invisibility type technology right?


The humour here is trying to convince us that these crafts are too "shy" to be photographed, hence the reference to mice. Still giggling.  ::giggle::
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Thu Oct 29, 2015 - 05:02:22
JonMJ33....
You said:
"Satellites also do not stop change direction stop again disappear and reappear."
Sorry.I didn't know you witnessed objects doing that type of manouvering.
Since my first closeup alien space craft sighting,I have also seen a few of these
  flying objects doing 90 degree turns but not up close.
A close friend of mine ( I was with him at the time ) recorded one in daylight hours making a 90 degree turn.
The craft was travelling horizontally really fast and instantly turned 90 degrees,and
continued at the same rate of speed.No sound , not even wind noise.The craft was
approx between 1/4 and 1/2 mile away but it showed up real clear on the video.
I told him to put it on youtube , but he refuses for fear of being ridiculed.
In my professional opinion this was also an alien space craft.NO government on this
planet has technology like that. ::smile::
Val

No worries.

Your friend should definitely post the video. Maybe if it is good enough he/she could present it to MUFON.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: JonMJ33 on Thu Oct 29, 2015 - 05:13:26
How come no one is ever able to take a HD pic of a flying saucer or a loch ness monster or whatever, given this is the age of smartphones? It's always blurry or grainy.


They're like mice, as soon as they see you they vanish before any evidence can be recorded.  ::giggle::

I fail to see how an object vanishing before you can take a picture is so hard to believe? Is it the invisibility part? You do realize are own mainstream science has already made strides in invisibility type technology right?


The humour here is trying to convince us that these crafts are too "shy" to be photographed, hence the reference to mice. Still giggling.  ::giggle::

Still not sure why its funny? Who said anything about being "shy?"

My main focus is to show that this phenomenon is real. Beyond that, such as how they got here, why they are here and what they are doing is another question. Why they don't want to be fully seen is a matter of speculation. I don't mind speculating, just so long as people know that that part of the conversation is speculation. So again, I don't see why it is funny
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Alan on Thu Oct 29, 2015 - 08:47:51
It's not real, it's just another spoof that makes believing in God easier for some people when they can mix the two together.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: val5662 on Fri Oct 30, 2015 - 20:46:19
JonMJ33.....
If you want to learn more about how these alien craft are operated,just Google Bob Lazar.
He was one of the U.S. government employees that were trying to "reverse engineer" real alien space craft.On some youtube video interviews he explains in detail how they work.
It all sounds logical to me. ::smile::
Val
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: jst5 on Fri Dec 04, 2015 - 01:08:57
It's not real, it's just another spoof that makes believing in God easier for some people when they can mix the two together.

As someone who spent 25 years in the military and spent time on a number of bases..you could not be more wrong .But hey some folks like to keep their head in the sand.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: swaldron583 on Thu Jan 07, 2016 - 12:15:04
          Hey !  Maybe it's going to be like Gene Rodenberry envisioned.  The end of the Apocalypse is going to be the beginning of Star Trek.  There's an interesting eschatology theory for Christian Sci-Fi enthusiasts to consider.   
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: swaldron583 on Fri Jan 08, 2016 - 12:31:27
          FYI.  If you go to a Star Trek convention and see George Takei, Don't ask him if Captain Kirk is going to be there.  Sulu freaked out on me and started screaming about what a lousy actor William Shatner was and how his character Sulu was never featured in any episode like everyone else.   Sulu's got some serious issues. LOL.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Choir Loft on Tue Feb 23, 2016 - 07:46:59
UFO sightings which occur in groups, in a short duration of time, in a geographic area or among a wide population of people are called FLAPS.  FLAPS are a systematic and abundant appearance and demonstration of objects which are not normal to human experience.  Therefore those who see them and report them are considered to be 'not normal' even though all they are really doing is reporting something they don't understand, which is normal.  They aren't crazy.  They just report unusual things.  Normally.   

Although there have been sightings and reports of UFOs and UFO occupants throughout history, the greatest FLAP of history began in the mid-nineteenth century and continues to this day.  Previously, one or two instances would be reported in the pages of history or on newspapers of the time.   At a point on the calendar just prior to the American Civil War until the present day a great FLAP has happened and is happening.  In our present FLAP, there are more UFO sightings in a single year than in all of previous history combined.  It is not normal.  Something is going on.

I recommend the book OPERATION TROJAN HORSE by John A. Keel.   Mr. Keel's first book was THE MOTHMAN PROPHECIES and he makes some rather interesting points in His Trojan Horse book.   His book is based upon statistical analysis of UFO reports rather than making an attempt to prove or disprove them or the people who report them.   From his collected data he extrapolates some interesting conclusions and suppositions.  I've studied UFO reports myself since the 1950's onward and agree with much of what Mr. Keel says.  Some of it I don't.

Keel suggests that it isn't the observers who are lying, but the UFOs themselves.  Consider their behavior.  They tease.  They show off.  They fly away from direct inspection and observation.   They are always a blur on the edge of human awareness.   It isn't humans who are lying, its the UFOs who do.  Why don't UFO people land in a public place in introduce themselves?  Keel suggests that they haven't because they have unilaterally chosen not to do so.  Think about it.   It's another tease, another lie, another falsehood.  They ARE here and they do demonstrate certain superior abilities, but they ALWAYS fly away from direct exposure.  They cannot be trusted to do anything except deceive, threaten with perverse activity upon the bodies of those they've abducted and generally fly in our faces.  Keel suggests they are acting like a magician who mystifies his audience with one hand while he prepares a surprise with the unseen hand.  We DO see the mystifying actions of the hand of UFOs, but we are focused upon this activity and not that which prepares something else for us.  The big question therefore is not are they real, but what are they up to?  No good if the evidence of our encounters with them is any indication.

Keel's statistics tell us that most sightings are during the middle of the week - Wednesday being the greatest numbers.   There are exceptions of course, but oddly there aren't as many on the weekend when everyone is outside enjoying the weather.   It's as though UFOs are deliberately hiding their activity.   Most reports are in remote areas.  Most reports happen within geographic and political boundaries such as states or nations.   Most happen in a certain compass direction.

Keel also suggests that there is a spiritualist connection.

At the same time the modern FLAP began in the mid-nineteenth century, spiritualism experienced a dramatic rise.   Spiritualism is generally defined as activity that is focused upon communicating with spirits - dead spirits, spirits from other dimensions, spirits of heaven, spirits of hell, and spirits of the world (called 'Elementals').  The terminology, Keel discovered, is different from UFO observations, but individual encounters are almost exactly the same.   Therefore, Keel suggests that there is an observable correlation between UFOs and spiritualist activity - if not one of terminology. 

According to Keel's statistical analysis, they are one and the same.

They are not from the far reaches of outer space, he posits.  They are part of the condition of the planet we also inhabit.   Our fascination with them is the trap we are being led into by these technological and mystical events.  Their real objective and purpose is shrouded in mystery part of which we have allowed to fall over our own eyes.   That is the nature of the Trojan Horse.    Mr. Keel's book is interesting in that it explores areas of consideration one does not usually find elsewhere.   I recommend it.

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: dpr on Sun Apr 24, 2016 - 13:47:05
No doubt there's been a lot of world conditioning on the matter of UFO's and what they are. That conditioning hype includes those who are taught to label anyone who even brings the subject up as a freak.

Biblically... there's no such thing as aliens (extra-terrestrials).

But Biblically there is the existence of the fallen angels that saw the daughters of men during Noah's day and took flesh wives which produced a hybrid giant race that knocked God's Plan of Salvation out of balance, thus they had to be destroyed. Evidence of the skeletal existence of these giant hybrids have been found in many burial mounds on different continents, and American Indian culture includes stories about their existence at one time.

For the last days, our Lord Jesus the end would be as it was in the days of Noe (Noah in the Greek). What was the main event of Noah's days? Who was giving and taking in marriage then? The mating with the fallen angels as written in Gen.6 was going on. May we expect an event like that to happen again in the last days because of what our Lord Jesus warned in Matt.24? You decide.

Some world leaders and especially leaders of atheism, are speaking more outwardly about their belief of the existence of aliens and UFO's. Some of them hold to the theory that aliens through their mastery of genetics created life on our planet earth (Richard Dawkins being interviewed by Ben Stein in his Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, is one who jokingly suggested such a thing).

It's been almost 2,000 years since anyone has seen miracles done on earth to the level that our Lord Jesus and His Apostles did on earth. Our Lord Jesus and His Apostles told us to expect a pseudo-Christ doing great signs and wonders on earth for the last days, and not to believe or trust in it, for that would be a fake working.

Since the world has been so conditioned to rely on man's science, would the majority of the world be mentally prepared to experience supernatural events of angels appearing on earth? I don't think the world is mentally or psychologically prepared for that, which is why I believe the world leaders have been busy trying to condition the world with the alien-UFO phenomena.

Even with one today who refuses to believe the alien-UFO phenomena could be real, their mind will still have been somewhat prepared if or when they do see evidence of the return of Satan's angels to this earth in the last days as prophesied in God's Word. Few are prepared to believe the return of the fallen angels to this earth with Satan for the last days as being possible, but they would be more willingly to accept their sudden appearance on this earth as part of the world leader's alien-UFO conditioning strategies, especially if such influenced persons were directly involved in the realm of science and atheistic evolution.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Alan on Sun Apr 24, 2016 - 18:00:32
UFO sightings which occur in groups, in a short duration of time, in a geographic area or among a wide population of people are called FLAPS.  FLAPS are a systematic and abundant appearance and demonstration of objects which are not normal to human experience.  Therefore those who see them and report them are considered to be 'not normal' even though all they are really doing is reporting something they don't understand, which is normal.  They aren't crazy.  They just report unusual things.  Normally.   

Although there have been sightings and reports of UFOs and UFO occupants throughout history, the greatest FLAP of history began in the mid-nineteenth century and continues to this day.  Previously, one or two instances would be reported in the pages of history or on newspapers of the time.   At a point on the calendar just prior to the American Civil War until the present day a great FLAP has happened and is happening.  In our present FLAP, there are more UFO sightings in a single year than in all of previous history combined.  It is not normal.  Something is going on.

I recommend the book OPERATION TROJAN HORSE by John A. Keel.   Mr. Keel's first book was THE MOTHMAN PROPHECIES and he makes some rather interesting points in His Trojan Horse book.   His book is based upon statistical analysis of UFO reports rather than making an attempt to prove or disprove them or the people who report them.   From his collected data he extrapolates some interesting conclusions and suppositions.  I've studied UFO reports myself since the 1950's onward and agree with much of what Mr. Keel says.  Some of it I don't.

Keel suggests that it isn't the observers who are lying, but the UFOs themselves.  Consider their behavior.  They tease.  They show off.  They fly away from direct inspection and observation.   They are always a blur on the edge of human awareness.   It isn't humans who are lying, its the UFOs who do.  Why don't UFO people land in a public place in introduce themselves?  Keel suggests that they haven't because they have unilaterally chosen not to do so.  Think about it.   It's another tease, another lie, another falsehood.  They ARE here and they do demonstrate certain superior abilities, but they ALWAYS fly away from direct exposure.  They cannot be trusted to do anything except deceive, threaten with perverse activity upon the bodies of those they've abducted and generally fly in our faces.  Keel suggests they are acting like a magician who mystifies his audience with one hand while he prepares a surprise with the unseen hand.  We DO see the mystifying actions of the hand of UFOs, but we are focused upon this activity and not that which prepares something else for us.  The big question therefore is not are they real, but what are they up to?  No good if the evidence of our encounters with them is any indication.

Keel's statistics tell us that most sightings are during the middle of the week - Wednesday being the greatest numbers.   There are exceptions of course, but oddly there aren't as many on the weekend when everyone is outside enjoying the weather.   It's as though UFOs are deliberately hiding their activity.   Most reports are in remote areas.  Most reports happen within geographic and political boundaries such as states or nations.   Most happen in a certain compass direction.

Keel also suggests that there is a spiritualist connection.

At the same time the modern FLAP began in the mid-nineteenth century, spiritualism experienced a dramatic rise.   Spiritualism is generally defined as activity that is focused upon communicating with spirits - dead spirits, spirits from other dimensions, spirits of heaven, spirits of hell, and spirits of the world (called 'Elementals').  The terminology, Keel discovered, is different from UFO observations, but individual encounters are almost exactly the same.   Therefore, Keel suggests that there is an observable correlation between UFOs and spiritualist activity - if not one of terminology. 

According to Keel's statistical analysis, they are one and the same.

They are not from the far reaches of outer space, he posits.  They are part of the condition of the planet we also inhabit.   Our fascination with them is the trap we are being led into by these technological and mystical events.  Their real objective and purpose is shrouded in mystery part of which we have allowed to fall over our own eyes.   That is the nature of the Trojan Horse.    Mr. Keel's book is interesting in that it explores areas of consideration one does not usually find elsewhere.   I recommend it.

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...


Interesting, if UFOs have the ability to foresee our political system, our mundane schedules, and our typical social behaviour they should also be well aware that in the event they did expose themselves we would not have the ability to pursue them. The entire theory appears to be making excuses as to why rational, sane people do not experience sightings on the same level as others.


Just more hogwash IMO. 
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: dpr on Sun Apr 24, 2016 - 19:06:36
Like I said, there's no such thing as aliens nor UFO's in God's Word nor in His creation. So if what some people are seeing is real and not imagined, then they are either some easily explained aviation phenomena, or they are objects from the heavenly dimension of the angels.

The unsuspecting, especially those not learned in The Bible, would easily accept an idea of the angels being extraterrestrials when manifest to the world, that those at the recent huge summits have been proposing as real.

It matters not what one individual thinks. What matters is whether Christ's elect understand God's Word about Satan and his angels being booted down to this earth in the last days after the war in heaven, per Rev.12:7 forward, for we have been forewarned about if from our Lord Jesus.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: beameup on Sun Apr 24, 2016 - 22:35:31
Fallen angels have the ability to materialize just like God's angels, however, until the Tribulation, their powers are limited.

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders;
insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
  Matthew 24:24
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: stl5 on Tue Jul 26, 2016 - 08:52:10
Quote
Fallen angels have the ability to materialize just like God's angels, however, until the Tribulation, their powers are limited.

I'm not so sure about that...depends on what you mean by "limited".
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: dpr on Sat Sep 10, 2016 - 10:37:41
I am wondering what peoples opinions are with respect to the UFO phenomenon and how it may relate to various End Time theories?

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I don't believe aliens exist, period (no Star Trek stuff please).

Yet there are TWO different dimensions of existence, this earthly one we are in, and the heavenly one where God, the angels, and even where hell is and is also Satan's dwelling in a place of separation.

In Rev.12:7-9 we were shown Satan and his angels have a place in heaven, until that war with Archangel Michael happens. Then Satan and his angels are to be cast down to this earth, their place no more found in heaven.

That idea of their place no more being found in heaven is very specific. It's pointing to the heavenly dimension, the dimension hidden from us today that exists behind a veil. There is only one other dimension they can come to; it's this one we are in.

That is what I believe the UFOs are. They are angels popping in and out between the two dimensions. That is what I believe Ezekiel saw.

That sightings have apparently increased over the years, especially with events like the Phoenix Lights in 1997, I believe that is a sign of their soon to be booted out of heaven down to this earth for the tribulation per Rev.12:7 forward.

There's this obscure passage in the Book of Daniel:

Dan 2:43
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
KJV

They shall mingle themselves with the seed of men???

My understanding about the feet of clay mixed with iron is about the joining of different empires that won't work together. But this idea of mingling with the seed of men, that's new information about this clay/iron idea.

Our Lord Jesus did forewarn us that the last days would be just like the days of Noe (Noah), they were eating and drinking, giving and taking in marriage, i.e., the fallen angels co-mingled with the daughters of men and they begat giants (Gen.6).

And since we are shown in Rev.12:7 forward about a coming war in heaven between Michael, his angels vs. Satan and his angels, with Satan and his cast out down to this earth, I am almost 99% certain that's what all the UFO phenomenon is pointing to. I believe God is allowing it to warn His people to get ready.

This all ties in with the coming "great tribulation" our Lord Jesus forewarned us about. Men's doctrines are designed to get one's mind off track from understanding what the coming tribulation is really going to be about. Man teaches it's going to be about all out war and such, when it's not. It's going to be worse...

It will involve the greatest time of deception that has ever existed upon this earth for this world; and that because it will involve Satan and his angels cast down to this earth in OUR dimension, as Satan will play Christ and his angels as ministers of light. He is going to heal all the world's problems, pay off all your debts, settle all disputes, create a time of great prosperity, and a time of world peace. The majority of the world indeed will think that God truly has come. And like Apostle Paul said, when they shall say, "Peace and safety", then "sudden destruction" will come upon them, signaling the day of Christ's return.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: tooldtocare on Sat Oct 01, 2016 - 18:00:54
I’m new here and know little if anything about “End Times

Sorry, for the intrusion

I do however believe "time" is infinite

Take Care (:-
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: tooldtocare on Sat Oct 01, 2016 - 18:05:15
I do however believe in "UFO's"

As in visitors from afar
which
caries the same seed
 as you and me dooooo(:-

(:-
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Ben83 on Thu Oct 27, 2016 - 00:05:38
hi brothers and sisters, first post here. interesting place you guys have here. seems to be some pretty stellar posters after a quick glance and some pretty intelligent conversation happening.

recently returned to the Lord and it all started with spotting a few ufos lol. don't judge.

anyhow, three of us were in my car, my lady said 'hey what are those lights'? i stopped the car bc ive seen enough questionable stuff in the sky that i was a little curious about.

they were pretty close. super bright, super  quiet, kind of hovered around and honestly it was kind of hard to tell how far they were away but close enough to know that these were not normal aircraft. my sister thought they were drones, i wasn't sure. anyhow they kind of floated around, and then one by one they disappeared. they kind of have this jellyfish type propulsion that they use if that makes sense. ive seen them a lot actually, believe it or not, i could care less really. at first they accelerate slowly, then pick up speed and vanish in an instant.

since, i see them all the time. so much that i wonder how others don't see them. ive seen them in thunderstorms a couple of times. they kind of start popping out of clouds and i think it may help them recharge whatever kind of technology they are using. some refer to as zero point energy anti-gravity type stuff. not a scientist, so i don't really know the specifics, but they move pretty insanely fast and pretty darn quietly.

i don't think that there is such a thing as ET and i believe that idea is something that the various forms of propaganda have instilled into us and programmed into our minds. These things are satanic/demonic in nature. one poster a couple pages back did a pretty excellent job of taking the time to explain it. something that can be kind of difficult, and its kind of far out at first and i really dig stuff thats far out so it kind of appeals to me.

since, I get ringing in my ears, have had an increase of mental health problems, a spiritual awakening, and other weird things that have been happening that i don't want to get into really. internet know it all scoffers are pretty much a dime a dozen these days. labeling people as conspiracy theorists seems be a a convenient way to disregard everything that they say and experience. in spite of the fact that many conspiracies have been proven to be true. ultimately, i only believe in one conspiracy, and that is that the devil wants to deceive everyone that he can by any means within his reach, i assume that that is ok to say here. we are experiencing the great deception, and i think that even most Christians are being deceived in one form or another. its actually kind of interesting how a lot of these things tie into christianity and the Bible. but there are a lot tangents that aren't suitable for this thread.   

this is kind of a cool verse that i think people should consider about ufos from the Good Book. cant find the quote function so im just going to paste it.

Though you soar like the eagle and make your nest among the stars, from there I will bring you down," declares the LORD.

NIV translation, sorry, just think this is one instance that it seems more clear.

i think that the false prophet pope and the catholic church will play a role in this disclosure about ets that i feel like is coming soon. people should be keeping an eye on everything that the vatican has to say on the subject and there is a reason that they are so keen on the issue. I think there will be a public shift from the physical to the esoteric in the coming years. i cant help but feel that the pope should have knowledge of the nephilim and would be at least a little apprehensive about baptizing these things. but its all about maintaining control. most philosophy gurus will tell you that the existence of aliens proves Christianity false, evolution true, etc. so this is kind of a big deal.

there is more i could say on the subject but have to get to bed. will post more at some other time. cheers for now.



Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: raggthyme13 on Thu Oct 27, 2016 - 01:34:30
hi brothers and sisters, first post here. interesting place you guys have here. seems to be some pretty stellar posters after a quick glance and some pretty intelligent conversation happening.

recently returned to the Lord and it all started with spotting a few ufos lol. don't judge.

anyhow, three of us were in my car, my lady said 'hey what are those lights'? i stopped the car bc ive seen enough questionable stuff in the sky that i was a little curious about.

they were pretty close. super bright, super  quiet, kind of hovered around and honestly it was kind of hard to tell how far they were away but close enough to know that these were not normal aircraft. my sister thought they were drones, i wasn't sure. anyhow they kind of floated around, and then one by one they disappeared. they kind of have this jellyfish type propulsion that they use if that makes sense. ive seen them a lot actually, believe it or not, i could care less really. at first they accelerate slowly, then pick up speed and vanish in an instant.

since, i see them all the time. so much that i wonder how others don't see them. ive seen them in thunderstorms a couple of times. they kind of start popping out of clouds and i think it may help them recharge whatever kind of technology they are using. some refer to as zero point energy anti-gravity type stuff. not a scientist, so i don't really know the specifics, but they move pretty insanely fast and pretty darn quietly.

i don't think that there is such a thing as ET and i believe that idea is something that the various forms of propaganda have instilled into us and programmed into our minds. These things are satanic/demonic in nature. one poster a couple pages back did a pretty excellent job of taking the time to explain it. something that can be kind of difficult, and its kind of far out at first and i really dig stuff thats far out so it kind of appeals to me.

since, I get ringing in my ears, have had an increase of mental health problems, a spiritual awakening, and other weird things that have been happening that i don't want to get into really. internet know it all scoffers are pretty much a dime a dozen these days. labeling people as conspiracy theorists seems be a a convenient way to disregard everything that they say and experience. in spite of the fact that many conspiracies have been proven to be true. ultimately, i only believe in one conspiracy, and that is that the devil wants to deceive everyone that he can by any means within his reach, i assume that that is ok to say here. we are experiencing the great deception, and i think that even most Christians are being deceived in one form or another. its actually kind of interesting how a lot of these things tie into christianity and the Bible. but there are a lot tangents that aren't suitable for this thread.   

this is kind of a cool verse that i think people should consider about ufos from the Good Book. cant find the quote function so im just going to paste it.

Though you soar like the eagle and make your nest among the stars, from there I will bring you down," declares the LORD.

NIV translation, sorry, just think this is one instance that it seems more clear.

i think that the false prophet pope and the catholic church will play a role in this disclosure about ets that i feel like is coming soon. people should be keeping an eye on everything that the vatican has to say on the subject and there is a reason that they are so keen on the issue. I think there will be a public shift from the physical to the esoteric in the coming years. i cant help but feel that the pope should have knowledge of the nephilim and would be at least a little apprehensive about baptizing these things. but its all about maintaining control. most philosophy gurus will tell you that the existence of aliens proves Christianity false, evolution true, etc. so this is kind of a big deal.

there is more i could say on the subject but have to get to bed. will post more at some other time. cheers for now.

I would agree that these are demonic deceptions. I was just talking to my son the other day about that. When I was a teenager I saw a very bright light in the sky… it was very still for a few seconds, then it shot down and straight up in a V pattern. It was gone very quickly. Even though I saw such a bizarre thing that night I still do not believe in ETs. And while I have quite a different take on eschatology than you, I appreciate your post. Welcome to the forums!! I love it here. Glad to hear God brought you back to Himself… He is a faithful Father.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Gods Princess on Thu Oct 27, 2016 - 01:59:34
Like others here I don't believe in aliens, and I do believe that UFO sightings are often demonic deceptions. However I believe that the 'powers that be' have an alien/UFO agenda they are pushing. How else are they going to explain the rapture to the world?
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: bornofgod on Thu Oct 27, 2016 - 06:15:24
God has given many false images in the minds of His people during these last days before the day of the Lord will delete information called Satan and the Beast.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Ben83 on Thu Oct 27, 2016 - 09:18:37
Oops
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: bornofgod on Thu Oct 27, 2016 - 10:16:13
Everything we experience with our created senses is within our mind. We're not living in a real universe on a real planet. Not even our visible bodies are real made out of material things. It's all an illusion formed by the processing of our Creator's thoughts, just like a computer programmer does by planning a program in his mind before building a computer simulation game by speaking those thoughts into voice recognition software that converts that coded language into visible images that can be observed on a video screen which is only an illusion within the simulation program we're involved in.

This means all your experiences are only temporary illusions ( images ) until you experience the death of your body which is also just a formed illusion similar to the body image you play with in computer simulation games.

So don't worry. God has a much different program designed for us after this one is deleted. We will never be confused and fearful in the New Heaven and Earth that we will wake up in because it won't have information called Satan and the Beast.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Gods Princess on Thu Oct 27, 2016 - 17:34:03
Everything we experience with our created senses is within our mind. We're not living in a real universe on a real planet. Not even our visible bodies are real made out of material things. It's all an illusion formed by the processing of our Creator's thoughts, just like a computer programmer does by planning a program in his mind before building a computer simulation game by speaking those thoughts into voice recognition software that converts that coded language into visible images that can be observed on a video screen which is only an illusion within the simulation program we're involved in.

This means all your experiences are only temporary illusions ( images ) until you experience the death of your body which is also just a formed illusion similar to the body image you play with in computer simulation games.

So don't worry. God has a much different program designed for us after this one is deleted. We will never be confused and fearful in the New Heaven and Earth that we will wake up in because it won't have information called Satan and the Beast.

What on earth are you talking about? I can promise you this life, and this planet we live on is very real. What makes you think otherwise?
Your reasoning sounds very New Age.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: bornofgod on Fri Oct 28, 2016 - 02:06:55
Those who live in the past and believe all the words in the Bible are true will perish without ever knowing what the Tree of Life is that God used to convert His thoughts into make-believe worlds for His people to live in.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Gods Princess on Fri Oct 28, 2016 - 02:09:16
Those who live in the past and believe all the words in the Bible are true will perish without ever knowing what the Tree of Life is that God used to convert His thoughts into make-believe worlds for His people to live in.

What kind of church do  you go to?
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: bornofgod on Fri Oct 28, 2016 - 02:15:58
I'm alive in the invisible church of Christ. Those who believe the visible churches are the true place of worship don't know they're worshiping the works of the Beast that was used by God to teach His people how to build false gods with their human hands. 
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Gods Princess on Fri Oct 28, 2016 - 02:17:43
I'm alive in the invisible church of Christ. Those who believe the visible churches are the true place of worship don't know they're worshiping the works of the Beast that was used by God to teach His people how to build false gods with their human hands.

Well, christians are 'the church' but where do you get your teaching from?
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: bornofgod on Fri Oct 28, 2016 - 02:20:04
The name "Christian" applies to the flesh of man. The name "spirit" is the invisible part of man that is required to observe the flesh that's formed from the thoughts of God to give a man the impression he is living in a real world.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Gods Princess on Fri Oct 28, 2016 - 02:23:39
The name "Christian" applies to the flesh of man. The name "spirit" is the invisible part of man that is required to observe the flesh that's formed from the thoughts of God to give a man the impression he is living in a real world.

You are incredibly confused and misguided. I suggest you find a good church and start reading the Bible. You need to be born again and to accept Jesus Christ as your saviour.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: bornofgod on Fri Oct 28, 2016 - 02:28:34
Satan and the Beast had me go through that deception back in the 1980's long before God began revealing the Truth to me this past 8 years.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Gods Princess on Fri Oct 28, 2016 - 02:30:41
Satan and the Beast had me go through that deception back in the 1980's long before God began revealing the Truth to me this past 8 years.

What deception? Jesus Christ is God. Whoever is teaching you, whatever voice you hear, is not Him. You are following demons.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: AVZ on Fri Oct 28, 2016 - 03:22:14
Everything we experience with our created senses is within our mind. We're not living in a real universe on a real planet. Not even our visible bodies are real made out of material things. It's all an illusion formed by the processing of our Creator's thoughts, just like a computer programmer does by planning a program in his mind before building a computer simulation game by speaking those thoughts into voice recognition software that converts that coded language into visible images that can be observed on a video screen which is only an illusion within the simulation program we're involved in.

This means all your experiences are only temporary illusions (images) until you experience the death of your body which is also just a formed illusion similar to the body image you play with in computer simulation games.

So don't worry. God has a much different program designed for us after this one is deleted. We will never be confused and fearful in the New Heaven and Earth that we will wake up in because it won't have information called Satan and the Beast.

So what you are saying is that even though I experience your writing and presence here on this board, in reality you are a temporary illusion and you do not exist?
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: bornofgod on Fri Oct 28, 2016 - 03:48:10
Satan and the Beast that have influenced man from the beginning knows the scriptures very well but they do not have any knowledge about the future and how God plans to destroy Satan, the Beast and all flesh of man.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Gods Princess on Fri Oct 28, 2016 - 03:58:38
Satan and the Beast that have influenced man from the beginning knows the scriptures very well but they do not have any knowledge about the future and how God plans to destroy Satan, the Beast and all flesh of man.

Satan knows exactly what his end is. He's read it, right there in Revelation.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: bornofgod on Fri Oct 28, 2016 - 04:02:07
All the readers of the Bible who are under the influence of Satan and the Beast deny the scriptures that the Lord has me show them to prove to them they don't have any knowledge to understand the prophecies.

Those of us who are under the influence of the Lord are His eyes, ears and voice so we know who is lying to us and who listens to the Gospel of God that we preach to them.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: AVZ on Fri Oct 28, 2016 - 04:19:10
All the readers of the Bible who are under the influence of Satan and the Beast deny the scriptures that the Lord has me show them to prove to them they don't have any knowledge to understand the prophecies.

Those of us who are under the influence of the Lord are His eyes, ears and voice so we know who is lying to us and who listens to the Gospel of God that we preach to them.

How can one be under the influence of Satan if he is merely an illusion?
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: bornofgod on Fri Oct 28, 2016 - 04:42:02
Satan and the Beast make up the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil that has kept all God's people from understanding what the Tree of Life is. Satan and the Beast are God's thoughts that are converted into all sorts of make-believe worlds for God's people to explore called visions and dreams that are not made of material things because they all come from the invisible thoughts of our Creator who calls himself God.

With the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God was able to form images such as the flesh of man that look so real that His people would believe they are real. By causing these images and thoughts to be "good" or "evil", it would make his people believe there are people who are good and other people who are evil. However, all these images are false and fade away and even burned up with Fire.

All these years since man woke up in a visible body surrounded by visible objects, man thought he was living in a real world whirling around in a real universe but those of us who testify to the words formed in our mind via the Holy Spirit of God learn about the Tree of Life, the source of all these visible objects we experience with our created senses.

Once we learn what the Tree of Life is, then we learn that we created beings will experience all sorts of new visible images in the New Earth after God destroys Satan and the Beast. The Beast was used by God to build false gods ( images ) with their human hands until they built the computer technology we have today so that God could teach me exactly what the Tree of Life is. Now I understand that the Tree of Life is what God used to convert His thoughts into all the make-believe worlds ( visions and dreams ) that we've been experiencing since Adam and Eve first woke up in the program that God planned, designed and spoke into existence.

Psalm 33
8: Let all the earth fear the LORD, let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him!
9: For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood forth.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: raggthyme13 on Fri Oct 28, 2016 - 05:04:56
Satan and the Beast make up the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil that has kept all God's people from understanding what the Tree of Life is. Satan and the Beast are God's thoughts that are converted into all sorts of make-believe worlds for God's people to explore called visions and dreams that are not made of material things because they all come from the invisible thoughts of our Creator who calls himself God.

With the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God was able to form images such as the flesh of man that look so real that His people would believe they are real. By causing these images and thoughts to be "good" or "evil", it would make his people believe there are people who are good and other people who are evil. However, all these images are false and fade away and even burned up with Fire.

All these years since man woke up in a visible body surrounded by visible objects, man thought he was living in a real world whirling around in a real universe but those of us who testify to the words formed in our mind via the Holy Spirit of God learn about the Tree of Life, the source of all these visible objects we experience with our created senses.

Once we learn what the Tree of Life is, then we learn that we created beings will experience all sorts of new visible images in the New Earth after God destroys Satan and the Beast. The Beast was used by God to build false gods ( images ) with their human hands until they built the computer technology we have today so that God could teach me exactly what the Tree of Life is. Now I understand that the Tree of Life is what God used to convert His thoughts into all the make-believe worlds ( visions and dreams ) that we've been experiencing since Adam and Eve first woke up in the program that God planned, designed and spoke into existence.

Psalm 33
8: Let all the earth fear the LORD, let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him!
9: For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood forth.


I am asking this sincerely, do you use drugs to gain such knowledge? Are you really serious about all of this??
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Gods Princess on Fri Oct 28, 2016 - 06:10:41
Satan and the Beast make up the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil that has kept all God's people from understanding what the Tree of Life is. Satan and the Beast are God's thoughts that are converted into all sorts of make-believe worlds for God's people to explore called visions and dreams that are not made of material things because they all come from the invisible thoughts of our Creator who calls himself God.

With the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God was able to form images such as the flesh of man that look so real that His people would believe they are real. By causing these images and thoughts to be "good" or "evil", it would make his people believe there are people who are good and other people who are evil. However, all these images are false and fade away and even burned up with Fire.

All these years since man woke up in a visible body surrounded by visible objects, man thought he was living in a real world whirling around in a real universe but those of us who testify to the words formed in our mind via the Holy Spirit of God learn about the Tree of Life, the source of all these visible objects we experience with our created senses.

Once we learn what the Tree of Life is, then we learn that we created beings will experience all sorts of new visible images in the New Earth after God destroys Satan and the Beast. The Beast was used by God to build false gods ( images ) with their human hands until they built the computer technology we have today so that God could teach me exactly what the Tree of Life is. Now I understand that the Tree of Life is what God used to convert His thoughts into all the make-believe worlds ( visions and dreams ) that we've been experiencing since Adam and Eve first woke up in the program that God planned, designed and spoke into existence.

Psalm 33
8: Let all the earth fear the LORD, let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him!
9: For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood forth.


I am asking this sincerely, do you use drugs to gain such knowledge? Are you really serious about all of this??

 rofl
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: bornofgod on Fri Oct 28, 2016 - 06:11:01
God is very serious about revealing the Tree of Life through the Gospel that I've been speaking for Him for the past 8 years. The Tree of Life is the source where all our make-believe worlds exist. We are created characters within God's simulation program that he SPOKE into existence. Those SPOKEN THOUGHTS were converted into the visible worlds and visible flesh that look very real to us.

The Beast is God's thoughts that taught His people how to build the computer technology we have today along with the voice recognition software that computer programmers can use to speak their thoughts into computer code that the voice recognition software takes in so that the computer processor can process those THOUGHTS of the computer programmer into visible images on a video screen. All the new computer generated movies we watch today come from the INVISIBLE THOUGHTS of our Creator.

So YES, GOD is SERIOUS about teaching us how He created us with HIS THOUGHTS.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Gods Princess on Fri Oct 28, 2016 - 06:13:32
God is very serious about revealing the Tree of Life through the Gospel that I've been speaking for Him for the past 8 years. The Tree of Life is the source where all our make-believe worlds exist. We are created characters within God's simulation program that he SPOKE into existence. Those SPOKEN THOUGHTS were converted into the visible worlds and visible flesh that look very real to us.

The Beast is God's thoughts that taught His people how to build the computer technology we have today along with the voice recognition software that computer programmers can use to speak their thoughts into computer code that the voice recognition software takes in so that the computer processor can process those THOUGHTS of the computer programmer into visible images on a video screen. All the new computer generated movies we watch today come from the INVISIBLE THOUGHTS of our Creator.

So YES, GOD is SERIOUS about teaching us how He created us with HIS THOUGHTS.

The only thing  I have left to say is.......what a fascinating world you must live in....or don't live in...however it works for you.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: bornofgod on Fri Oct 28, 2016 - 06:17:28
You're living in the same exact computer generated simulation program that I'm in but each of us has our own consciousness which gives us an individual experience within the simulation program. The consciousness is what's so amazing that God created because it gives us self awareness unlike the characters in a Sims 4 simulation game that computer programmers can speak into existence from their thoughts.

This means the technology that our Creator used to create our consciousness is way more advanced than anything He taught His people to build within His program.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: stl5 on Mon Nov 07, 2016 - 06:02:11
Is God speaking now given the term "technology"?
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Texas Conservative on Mon Nov 07, 2016 - 07:00:14
Satan and the Beast make up the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil that has kept all God's people from understanding what the Tree of Life is. Satan and the Beast are God's thoughts that are converted into all sorts of make-believe worlds for God's people to explore called visions and dreams that are not made of material things because they all come from the invisible thoughts of our Creator who calls himself God.

With the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God was able to form images such as the flesh of man that look so real that His people would believe they are real. By causing these images and thoughts to be "good" or "evil", it would make his people believe there are people who are good and other people who are evil. However, all these images are false and fade away and even burned up with Fire.

All these years since man woke up in a visible body surrounded by visible objects, man thought he was living in a real world whirling around in a real universe but those of us who testify to the words formed in our mind via the Holy Spirit of God learn about the Tree of Life, the source of all these visible objects we experience with our created senses.

Once we learn what the Tree of Life is, then we learn that we created beings will experience all sorts of new visible images in the New Earth after God destroys Satan and the Beast. The Beast was used by God to build false gods ( images ) with their human hands until they built the computer technology we have today so that God could teach me exactly what the Tree of Life is. Now I understand that the Tree of Life is what God used to convert His thoughts into all the make-believe worlds ( visions and dreams ) that we've been experiencing since Adam and Eve first woke up in the program that God planned, designed and spoke into existence.

Psalm 33
8: Let all the earth fear the LORD, let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him!
9: For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood forth.

Matrix + Gospel adds for weak troll job.  I'd ask you to delete yourself, but you already did.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: stl5 on Wed Dec 21, 2016 - 23:25:48
Satan and the Beast make up the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil that has kept all God's people from understanding what the Tree of Life is. Satan and the Beast are God's thoughts that are converted into all sorts of make-believe worlds for God's people to explore called visions and dreams that are not made of material things because they all come from the invisible thoughts of our Creator who calls himself God.

With the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God was able to form images such as the flesh of man that look so real that His people would believe they are real. By causing these images and thoughts to be "good" or "evil", it would make his people believe there are people who are good and other people who are evil. However, all these images are false and fade away and even burned up with Fire.

All these years since man woke up in a visible body surrounded by visible objects, man thought he was living in a real world whirling around in a real universe but those of us who testify to the words formed in our mind via the Holy Spirit of God learn about the Tree of Life, the source of all these visible objects we experience with our created senses.

Once we learn what the Tree of Life is, then we learn that we created beings will experience all sorts of new visible images in the New Earth after God destroys Satan and the Beast. The Beast was used by God to build false gods ( images ) with their human hands until they built the computer technology we have today so that God could teach me exactly what the Tree of Life is. Now I understand that the Tree of Life is what God used to convert His thoughts into all the make-believe worlds ( visions and dreams ) that we've been experiencing since Adam and Eve first woke up in the program that God planned, designed and spoke into existence.

Psalm 33
8: Let all the earth fear the LORD, let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him!
9: For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood forth.

Matrix + Gospel adds for weak troll job.  I'd ask you to delete yourself, but you already did.

LOL no doubt!
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: dpr on Wed Feb 15, 2017 - 01:16:25
God's Heavenly tech is so much more advanced that ours on earth. I want one of those zig-zagging anti-gravity crafts that can suddenly take off like a jet of light and change directions without any G-force!

Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Rella on Wed Feb 15, 2017 - 07:03:26
Believe they are real or not.... this certainly give pause for one to wonder.

There were nearly 200 reported UFO sightings in Pennsylvania in 2016.

http://patch.com/pennsylvania/newtown-pa/ufo-sightings-reported-pennsylvania-2016-check-out-full-list (http://patch.com/pennsylvania/newtown-pa/ufo-sightings-reported-pennsylvania-2016-check-out-full-list)

The full list here.

http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/ndxlPA.html (http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/ndxlPA.html)

Some of those listed were

McMurray PA... That is the same township I live in.

Washington PA... That is the town where I was born.

And many, many over Pittsburgh and the surrounding comunities and subburbs.

The day after reading this a couple of weeks ago , while sitting in the great room watching TV and corresponding on GC we heard a very loud roar over the house, much like an airplane flying much to low....

NO I did not go and look out... I never want to see anything if it is there.... but waited to hear if there was going to be a crash from a plane flying too low.

It just passed on so no crash and why one would be so low is beyond me...

But there is something weird in the skies.

Not everyone can be crazy and mass hysteria will not take place during multiple dates of months and years apart.

I have my own suspicion of UFOs and it is nothing earthly, and nothing we want any part of.
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: stl5 on Wed Feb 15, 2017 - 16:04:16
"Alien Disclosure" Cris Putnam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlR6XKPtWPY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlR6XKPtWPY)
Title: Re: UFO Disclosure and End Times
Post by: Jd34 on Wed Feb 15, 2017 - 17:27:17
God's Heavenly tech is so much more advanced that ours on earth. I want one of those zig-zagging anti-gravity crafts that can suddenly take off like a jet of light and change directions without any G-force!

I would settle for a TR-3B. I'm pretty sure I saw one of these  once . I pointed it out to my wife and she caught a glimpse of it right before it blinked out..

Weird, strange , and odd is all that I have to say or think about it.   ::shrug::