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Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« on: Wed Mar 03, 2010 - 06:55:56 »
Do you think Jesus was just like any other Christian?

I believe he was and also -what made him apart from the rest- .. [was; that: he was an Oracle of God Almighty]. (no scripture supports this)

But, if he were truly humble as they say, then this is evidence that he was just as his followers are, is, always will be.


Just like any other Christian?
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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #1 on: Wed Mar 03, 2010 - 16:32:08 »
Boy are you misguided. Jesus was Jewish and there is nothing to indicate otherwise.  He never once did anything to show that he rejected being a Jewish person. Your also misguided in the fact that the Gospel is not about trying to be like Jesus it cannot be because he was not even Christian. The word appeared some 40 years after his death. Jesus also participated in Jewisj piety, circumsion and temple sacrifices. He approved tithing (MT 23:23). He also appealed to Mosaic purity laws, he wore a talit MT9:20 and Num 15: 37-39. Also he claimed to come only for the "lost sheep of Israel. No he was not Christian he was Jewish.  

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Also he claimed to come only for the "lost sheep of Israel. No he was not Christian he was Jewish. 

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

Matt 12:15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;
16 And charged them that they should not make him known:
17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.
20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.

Luke 2:30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;
32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #3 on: Thu Mar 04, 2010 - 00:38:15 »
Thanks, Amo.


Misguided? Yea. That's what Governments do: Just Ask Jesus  rofl



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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #4 on: Thu Mar 04, 2010 - 11:35:45 »
No he was not Christian he was Jewish.
Christian means "follower of Christ."  I think He didn't follow Himself, so, yeah...

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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #5 on: Thu Mar 04, 2010 - 12:24:57 »

Why did Jesus 'Preach' the Path to God? And not, "The Path to Jesus"?

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From what I hear, Jesus admitted he was not greater than God, for Jesus did not create the Universe. Did He?
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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #6 on: Thu Mar 04, 2010 - 14:42:59 »
Why did Jesus 'Preach' the Path to God? And not, "The Path to Jesus"?
He actually taught, "I AM the Way."  Can one be the path and the destination at the same time?

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Jesus is a Hypocrite
Just an FYI: making statments like the above "Jesus is a Hypocrite" will not sit well with the people here, including the moderators.  You may want to rephrase as a rhetorical such as "Was Jesus a hypocrite?" if you are trying to make a point.  

Or, maybe you're an atheist here to convert us to your religion.  Or a troll who wants to offend people.  Just what are your intentions?

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From what I hear, Jesus admitted he was not greater than God, for Jesus did not create the Universe. Did He?
Yes and no.  

Answer this: which created the building? the architect, the foreman, or the owner, who chose to build and paid for it?

Bible:  In the beginning was the Word...all things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (Later,) the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.
(John 1)

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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #7 on: Thu Mar 04, 2010 - 16:45:31 »
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Also he claimed to come only for the "lost sheep of Israel. No he was not Christian he was Jewish. 

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

Matt 12:15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;
16 And charged them that they should not make him known:
17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.
20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.

Luke 2:30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;
32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.


Nice. But major fail. You picked out the part you could defend with scripture and ignored the rest. So you cannot prove he was Christian he was not. 

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« Reply #8 on: Thu Mar 04, 2010 - 18:16:06 »
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Nice. But major fail. You picked out the part you could defend with scripture and ignored the rest. So you cannot prove he was Christian he was not.

I was not trying to say that He was a Christian, just that He didn't come for just the Jews, but rather for all of humanity.  Jesus was Jewish, so are all real Christians.  Most people have it backwards.  The Jews which rejected Jesus are the ones who lost their status as the Israel of God, not Those Jews who accepted Him as their promised Messiah.  All Gentiles also who accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah, are graft into the vine, not separate from it.  It was always and only Christ that made Israel God's people.  It is the same today.  Only those who are in Christ, are the people of God, the true Israel of God.

John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?



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« Reply #9 on: Fri Mar 05, 2010 - 01:16:13 »

Why did Jesus 'Preach' the Path to God? And not, "The Path to Jesus"?

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From what I hear, Jesus admitted he was not greater than God, for Jesus did not create the Universe. Did He?



Matthew 1:23  Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a Son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

John 1:10  He (Jesus) was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not.
 
Colossians 1:16  For by Him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him:

Colossians 1:17  And He (Jesus) is before all things, and by Him all things consist.

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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #10 on: Fri Mar 05, 2010 - 23:01:06 »
Jesus was nothing like us in that He did not have the sin nature because He was born of a Virgin. The blood curse of Jeconiah would have kept Christ from the Kingship of Israel. He received it through Joseph (by adoption) whom was a descendant of David and Mary (physically) whom was a descendant of David.

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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #11 on: Sat Mar 06, 2010 - 05:53:08 »
No he was not Christian he was Jewish.
Christian means "follower of Christ."  I think He didn't follow Himself, so, yeah...

Agreed. But Jesus did not create Christianity. How could a man create something he knew nothing about or even heard of? Secondly we are going to feel real funny if and when he ever comes back and some one says to him "Jesus these are Christians" and he says "Who?" Christianity may have adopted is last name but he did not adopt Christianity.

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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #12 on: Sat Mar 06, 2010 - 07:58:23 »
Your Idea about Jesus is flawed. He is God in the flesh and as such knows all things.

Ro 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Mt 1:23 Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Immanuel; which is, being interpreted, God with us.

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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #13 on: Sat Mar 06, 2010 - 08:06:44 »
Your Idea about Jesus is flawed. He is God in the flesh and as such knows all things.

Ro 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Mt 1:23 Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Immanuel; which is, being interpreted, God with us.

Really? Hmmmmmmmmm. I see no where in those it says he was Christian. Your assuming facts not in evidence and evidence you cannot produce. I will drop this as of now it might be best.

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« Reply #14 on: Sun Mar 07, 2010 - 21:14:37 »
Yes Jesus was not a Christian. He was the Christ (anointed one). His followers were called Christians or anointed ones. Jesus was like us only in that He was in the physical body. But He didn't become God He was God.

Col 2:9 for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,

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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #15 on: Mon Mar 08, 2010 - 12:18:02 »
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Or, maybe you're an atheist here to convert us to your religion.  Or a troll who wants to offend people.  Just what are your intentions?

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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #16 on: Mon Mar 08, 2010 - 12:24:45 »
No he was not Christian he was Jewish.
Christian means "follower of Christ."  I think He didn't follow Himself, so, yeah...
Agreed. But Jesus did not create Christianity. How could a man create something he knew nothing about or even heard of? Secondly we are going to feel real funny if and when he ever comes back and some one says to him "Jesus these are Christians" and he says "Who?" Christianity may have adopted is last name but he did not adopt Christianity.
What point are you trying to make?  (This is not a sarcastic question, though I realize it could be construed that way.  I really want to know, because I'm not getting it)

Christians were first so-called at Antioch, my Bible says.  Archaeology says that prior to that, adherents called themselves members of "the Way."  To me, this makes sense with the Biblical account, since Jesus says, "I AM the Way."

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« Reply #17 on: Mon Mar 08, 2010 - 16:50:54 »
No he was not Christian he was Jewish.
Christian means "follower of Christ."  I think He didn't follow Himself, so, yeah...
Agreed. But Jesus did not create Christianity. How could a man create something he knew nothing about or even heard of? Secondly we are going to feel real funny if and when he ever comes back and some one says to him "Jesus these are Christians" and he says "Who?" Christianity may have adopted is last name but he did not adopt Christianity.
What point are you trying to make?  (This is not a sarcastic question, though I realize it could be construed that way.  I really want to know, because I'm not getting it)

Christians were first so-called at Antioch, my Bible says.  Archaeology says that prior to that, adherents called themselves members of "the Way."  To me, this makes sense with the Biblical account, since Jesus says, "I AM the Way."

Me? Already made it. I cannot do anything about your blindness sorry.

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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #18 on: Mon Mar 08, 2010 - 21:40:31 »
NO   you are way off.....

He was unlike any Christian or gentile....
He lived a life that we can not

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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #19 on: Tue Mar 09, 2010 - 03:12:38 »
NO   you are way off.....

He was unlike any Christian or gentile....
He lived a life that we can not

He is afforded everything, but totally broke and never spoils.
So, we really shouldn't suggest ourselves as Christians?

Christ was not His last name, you know?
He was a nobody.
Jesus of Nazareth
Leonardo of Vinci.
etc, etc, etc....

I am a Kentuck[IAN]: meaning, I am FROM Kentucky

Christian: FROM CHRIST.

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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #20 on: Tue Mar 09, 2010 - 06:35:21 »
NO   you are way off.....

He was unlike any Christian or gentile....
He lived a life that we can not

He is afforded everything, but totally broke and never spoils.
So, we really shouldn't suggest ourselves as Christians?

Christ was not His last name, you know?
He was a nobody.
Jesus of Nazareth
Leonardo of Vinci.
etc, etc, etc....

I am a Kentuck[IAN]: meaning, I am FROM Kentucky

Christian: FROM CHRIST.

The Christ Within
I will pray that God gives you understanding.

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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #21 on: Tue Mar 09, 2010 - 15:19:54 »
RalphMalph I think it would do you good to read these scriptures so you get a better understanding of who God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are. I see on many of your post how you oppose God and His word, but I feel God is calling you, but you have not heard His call in your life yet, but are questing information to gather some kind of evidence either for Him or against Him. That's why we have the Bible so we can understand the things of God through His Spirit teaching us all things we need to know. It's all by faith that we believe in who He said He was and is.


1.  The Bible teaches that there is only one God. (Isaiah 43:10, Isaiah 44:6-8, Isaiah 45:22)
2.  The Bibles teaches that there is one who is called the Father and is identified as being God. (1 Peter 1:2) 3.  The Bible teaches that there is one who is called Jesus and is identified as being God. (John 1:1-3&14-18, John 20:28-29, 1 John 1:1-4&5:20, Philippians 2:5-8, Revelation 1:17-18, Revelation 22:12-20)
4.  The Bible teaches that there is one who is called the Holy Spirit and is identified as being God. (John 14:16-17, John 15:26, John 16:7-15, Acts 5:3-4, Acts 13:2, 1 Corinthians 12:4-18, Hebrews 9:14, Hebrews 10:15-18)

Explaining the deity of Christ:
The scriptures are full of references to the deity of Christ
Did Jesus claim to be God?  Absolutely.  He claimed to be Jehovah, the "I Am" of Exodus 3:14, when He said, "Before Abraham was, I am." (John 8:58) The Jews who listened to Jesus understood His claim to deity (John 5:18, 8:59, 10:33).  He claimed to be the express image of God (Col. 2:9, Heb.1:3) in John 8:19, 12:45 and 14:9.  He claimed the same omniscience as God the Father (John 10:15) and claimed complete oneness with God the Father (John 10:30).  He claimed the same honor as God the Father: "All men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father." (John 5:23)  Jesus did, in fact, accept worship on numerous occasions (Matt. 14:33, 28:9 and many others), something reserved only for God as Jesus Himself said (Matt. 4:10).  Compare the way the apostles and the angels reacted when they were worshipped in Acts 14:11-15 and Rev. 19:10, 22:8-9.  Jesus only supported the scribe's conclusion that He made the claim to be God in Mark 2:5-7 when He proclaimed the man's sins forgiven and then healed him.  Further, Jesus asked us to pray in His name, and that He would answer our prayers (John 14:13.  He also asked us to baptize in His name (Matt. 28:19) and to gather together in His name (Matt. 18:20).  To be sure, Jesus was a man, but He was also God come in the flesh.

The Christ, born in Israel, is the Mighty God and Everlasting Father: Is. 9:6
The Christ of the seed of David is called Jehovah:  Jer. 23:5-6
Jesus, the Word, was with God, and was God: John 1:1
Everything created was created by Jesus, the Word, and nothing created exists that was not created by Jesus (could He have created Himself?): John 1:3
Jesus is the image of the invisible God: Col. 1:15
All the fullness of the Godhead dwelled in the person of Christ: Col. 2:9
Paul calls Jesus Christ the Great God and our Savior: Titus 2:13
The writer of Hebrews says that Jesus was the brightness of the glory of God, the express image of His person, and also upholds all things by the word of His power: Heb. 1:3
John says that the Son Jesus Christ is the True God and Eternal Life: I John 5:20

HOLY SPIRIT - Deity, the same Spirit of God
John 4:23, 24 God is a Spirit
1 Thessalonians 4:8 the Spirit of God
John 14:18; Galatians 4:6 the Spirit of Jesus, Son of God
Philippians 2:5 the mind of Christ
John 14:17, 26; 15:26 the Spirit of truth
John 14:16, 26; 15:26; 16:7 the comforter
Matthew 10:20 the Spirit of your Father
Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4, 8; Galatians 3:14 the promise of the Father
Mark 9:1; Acts 1:8 Power
Galatians 3:2 He is the gift of God, the same as Salvation



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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #22 on: Tue Mar 09, 2010 - 17:22:05 »
No one is questioning the deity here its the false premise identifying him as Christian.

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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #23 on: Wed Mar 10, 2010 - 05:16:49 »
If I ain't a certified Christian -I AM!- a Kentuckian!!  rofl

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« Reply #24 on: Wed Mar 10, 2010 - 10:51:33 »


Or, maybe you're an atheist here to convert us to your religion.  Or a troll who wants to offend people.  Just what are your intentions?

Yes! I am Leiscerbettian.  ::bowing::
 
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Convert, now! You silly monster!!   ::preachit::
It seems you may have fallen through the looking glass.  Speaking of which, I hear Johnny Depp is a Virgo.    ::pondering:: ::crackup::

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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #25 on: Wed Mar 10, 2010 - 12:29:38 »
Act 11:26  And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Jesus was not a Christian as his ancestry was Hebrew (Jewish) as Christian means to be Christlike and the word Christian did not come about until the disciples were in Antioch preaching the name of Jesus and were called Christian for following in the footsteps of Christ. 

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« Reply #26 on: Thu Mar 11, 2010 - 16:15:56 »
Act 11:26  And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Jesus was not a Christian as his ancestry was Hebrew (Jewish) as Christian means to be Christlike and the word Christian did not come about until the disciples were in Antioch preaching the name of Jesus and were called Christian for following in the footsteps of Christ. 

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Re: Was Christ just like any other Christian?
« Reply #27 on: Fri Mar 12, 2010 - 10:31:52 »
Well, that settles me  ::frustrated::

I'm Kentuckylike, for I am a Kentuckian 

"Sweet, Sweet for Kentucky!"  ::playingguitar::

 

     
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