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Offline gbzone

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In particular  on the subject  of the last days .The rapture .The Bride and the coming of the Lord .This promise  concerning the Spirit of truth  is vital. It is also a fact  reflected in this forum and others  adn elsewhere that given the enormous differences of opnion  and conjecture and thoery  that either the Holy Spirit has not come  or He is no longer capaable of leadign men and wome into all truth . That beign impossible  the problem must be with men!
For it cannot be said  that the HOLY SPirit has not come.For Peter and the disciples testyfied of it and bare witness to the fact that Joels  prophcy was fullfilled that the HOly Spirit will be poured upon all flesh. Even as the rain will fall  on the just and the unjust.and upon the good seed and the tares.
I object therefore   to a myriad  of opnions as to these things and reject the idea that  the truth cannot be known  and in some measure  great or small but always enough  for the satisfaction of the soul. For what counts  these days  it seems  is an acceptance of the status quo. But if the Lord is comign soon. I hold that he is and has as it were left the building already to come. Then the bride musy get herself ready  and all the prpohets apsotles teachers  pasters and the like are the means by which God has decreed that it will be. If then the pastorsd and the like and most it seems our theological seminars dont know what the truth is and can teach ith with authority and the conviction of the Holy Sprit what then do you think the body will  be like? and how can it be perfected!

As to "the last days"

Paul identyfied them when he said in hebrews "God hath in the last days spaken unto us by His Son."
If 2000 years ago was the last days as it were though he speaks even to day also. By His Spirit.
How much more  are we in the last days niow?
When Jesus was on the way to calvary  and came across women weeping for Him he said  if they do this to the master  when it is green what will thye do to the srrvants when it is dry?
If therefore  the last days began when God spoke through His Son 2000 years ago the day s then were indeed green. How much more then are the days now  dry and very dry and ready for the fire?
This is too serios a matter for such foolishness as vain debates  that lead nowhere save away from the truth .
and understand  that if a child of God is NOT ready  then they will be left behind and have to go through  the great tribulation.
For the message that the Lord gave  to his people was. Of 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins.
Now the church has  said that dioes not apply to the churcgh but rather to the unsaved and the saved.
But this cannot be true.
For these reasons.
1) A virgin  my its  very nature is not of man it is of God.
If all were virgins  then that states is of God.
In romans he speaks of beuign unsaved as one married.
IN another place he speaks of presentign the church a s like unto a chaste virgin  to Christ.
If they were 10 virgins  then in this matetr they are all the same  and there is no diffrrence.Therefore it is to the church it is adressed.
2) They all had thier lamps lit. The unsaved has no light and sit in darkness.Evenn as once we all were.
Therefore they are all the same  and still speaks of the saved.
3) They were all waitng for the groom. The world has no desire for the coming of the Lord  and most certainly is not seekign for it.
Therefore they are all the same  and speaks of the church.
4) They all fell asleep. In this  they are similar  to the world   but it is more the sleep of the apostles  in the garden of gethsemany that the sleep of death thwe world is in and where once we were.
Therefore they are all the same  and still speaks of the church.
5)They all heard the cry "The bridegroom cometh"! The world will not hear it at all  . Nor even if they did would thney rise up. Therefore they are  still all the same . \
and it speaks of believers.\
6) They all trimmed thier lamps. In this they are the same also.

7) The division.

The 5 wise  had thier vessels full and could therefore replenish thier lamps.
The 5 foolish  had no more oil  and had to ask the wise for some.They being wise could not  and told them to go and get soem from where they could.
While the 5 foolish  whent to go and get soem oil.
The 5 wise enetered in.
When the 5 foolish  arived back and knocked on the door.The voice they heard said  "I know you not" and they were barred then  from the MARRIAGE.

"I know you not " is not the same as "I never knew you"
I know you not was beign barrred from the marriage  as beign unrecognisable as a BRIDE.

I  never knew you " is said to the wicked  not those counted rightous who are barred  from the KINGDOM not recognisable as sons.
This on the day of judgement  before the throne of God.

The foolishness of the 5 was in thier false expectation . Is it not written to make sure your election?
For if it was possible  the days will come of such sublty and deceit that the very elect would be deceived.
How much the more care is needed then .For in the last days  men with itching ears  will draw to thmesleves   teachers after their own heart.
and believe the doctrin of devils.
A "little child" or young child can be deceived .But it is a young man within whom the word of God dwelleth richly who overcoemth the wicked one" and rightfully divides the Word of truth.
Who has hear of 'little children "gettign married?
True it is  that they can be betrothed! But not married.
Thus every biblicly BORNagain  child of God is called to that high calling.
But do not be foolish in thinking that  as soon  as you are BORNagain you are yet fit  to be in the BRIDE.


Scripture not only here  but in a lot more does not support it.

The Holy Spirit then  is needed in these matetrs as in all other s.
That  I have heard  from the lips of two young men  going to theological seminars beign taught not the truth.
But every opnion under the sun in these matters is not right.

Theyb are not all right  and do you know which is?and can you tell the difference?

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Re: When the Spirit of truth shall come,He will lead you into all truth
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2012, 10:00:34 AM »
Truly, if the last DAYS were 2,000 YEARS ago, then something surely is amiss.
The last section of any period is at the end of that time period.

Examples:

the last days of school
the last days of a pregnancy
the last days of summer vacation
the last days of a prison sentence
the last days of World War II

Each of the time periods has a specified length.  The last days are in relation to that time period.  It is a VERY SMALL PORTION of the related time period and could vary significantly depending upon the original length of the time period.

the last days cannot be considered to be the same length as the original time period.
the last days cannot be considered to be half of the original time period, a third, nor a quarter - it is the END period of the original time period.

I suppose many here are forced to believe Joel's prophecy from Acts 2 is that the last days of the church correspond directly with its infancy, or its very beginning.  That is adamantly false because that makes the last days equal to the length of the original time period.

All this stuff is true if you consider the last days as being associated with the old covenant temple system. These last days were approximately 40 years in length compared to the over 1600 years that it had existed prior to Christ's ministry.  The old covenant system was put out of its existence at the destruction of Jerusalem a long, long time ago, folks!

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Re: When the Spirit of truth shall come,He will lead you into all truth
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Re: When the Spirit of truth shall come,He will lead you into all truth
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2012, 08:41:54 AM »
 You made certain statements but did not argue the case.

Paul said In these last days... Not I.

How then can they be the last days  and not these?
For are we not ever closer  to that day when all things shall come to the end of this world and a new heaven and a new earth shall come ?
 When there is a new heaven  and a new earth then it will be the begining not the end. and that shall have no end !

Yet even our calanders recognise a time from then till now as bei gn of the same age.

I pointed out the fact of jesus words to the woman on the rioad to calvary  .Where he said if they do this to the master when it is green.
What then is green?
Surely he was talking about wood? Green wood and dry wood.

Well that takes time.
You say that applies to the destruction of the temple?
What then say you as to the time of the gentiles?
If salvation is of th jews first soo to the judgement.
True it might be said that  it was the last days of the temple  but not of the jews they were scattered..because of thier unbeleif.
But if the gentiles by the same measure of unbelief do the very same thing and reject Christ is it not also thier last days?

Moreover  if thos words in Hebrew  pertained only to the Jews why then does Jesus spAKE ALSO UNTO US?
If they were the last days then and not now  how is it then he spake also in those days unto us?
For if those days had ended  so would his words.
yet you accept the word s of Paul in those last days  but seem not to accept as it were the words of God.
God in sundry times and in divers mannners spake by the prophets.
Who then did he speak to? to them and unto us in different times.

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son.
As I said before those days THEN were green.
What other  meaning is there?
Given by the same message He speAKS TO US NOW.Then it IS the same LAST dayS.
AND THESE DAYS are very DRY!
What other meaning is there?

For the dry cannot  mean as of the chafe . or indeed the  branches  that are cut off from the vine  or the tares put into bundles first.
He was referign it to  hsi suffering and persecution and death. Not the fall of Jerusalem.
Weep not for me but yourselrves you may argue but he says to hsi servants not to those who have rejected him. was it not/?
The fall of jerusALEM AND THE n the DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE  was a consequence  of the rejection of the kingdom by the jews FIRST and then  the end of the laws of sacrafice and the old covenenANT.

In those days  the elements will  burn..
The great tribulation is in the last days.
The road to calvary did not start from Bethlehem.They started with the words "let there be light"
Our salvation wa sfirst proclaimed in the garden of Eden  and Able was saved by the gospel of jesus Christ.as all men are.

The last days 2000 years ago were then green.
They are now very dry and ready for the fire.

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Re: When the Spirit of truth shall come,He will lead you into all truth
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2012, 09:27:30 AM »
The last DAYS had come almost 2,000 YEARS ago...

However, it was not the last days of this planet, it was the last days of the old covenant temple system.

Stop looking for an end to time and history and consider the biblical time of the end...

Disclaimer: I once held to your view but I decided to study the language of the prophets and how it was used in THEIR culture and time instead of forcing my 20th century Western cultural and literal understanding on to the Bible...

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Re: When the Spirit of truth shall come,He will lead you into all truth
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Re: When the Spirit of truth shall come,He will lead you into all truth
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2012, 07:51:51 AM »
You have once again asserted your postion.  I simply quoted the scriptures  and let it lead where it will.
I would sugest that you are accusign me of what  many theological seminars have been doing for a 100 years.

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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2012, 07:51:51 AM »