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When "daily sacrifice stopped."
« on: Fri Jan 25, 2019 - 12:58:33 »
I have written the following for those who are serious about end time prophesy and still hopefully "open minded" enough to seriously consider and discuss the following in a manner expected of a Christian.

After the flood in the year 2348 B.C. Nimrod, meaning “Rebel” the son of Cush would establish both Babylon and Assyria in the land of Shinar. Nimrod is said to have been,
Genesis 10:9, “a mighty hunter before the LORD.”

The beginning of his kingdom was called Babel or Babylon. Nimrod would invade and conquer Assur, or Assyria east of the Tigris river, where he built Nineveh. The meaning of his name Nin, signifying, “a son,” the most celebrated of the sons of Cush. Here Nimrod would establish his government, and introduce the Zabian idolatry, or worship of the heavenly host. After his death, he would be made a god by his subjects, then proclaimed to have been translated into the constellation of Orion. He may have been a mighty hunter of animals, but, a mighty persecutor in the sight of Jehovah God.

From that time forward, the two kingdoms of Assyria and Babylon would wage war against each other for control of the plains of Shinar, and the areas surrounding this territory. The Assyrians would eventually emerge victoriously, taking control of the people in the region. Their rule would dominate the Chaldeans, the Medes and the people of Babylon.

From the Assyrian people, a man would arise, his name, Nabopolassar, who would become the first Babylonian king. After the death of the Assyrian king Ashurbanipal in 627 B.C. a new dynasty would emerge led by Nabopolassar, the father of Nebuchadnezzar who would rule some 20 years, beginning in 625, ending at his death in 605 B.C. His name meant, “favored or chosen of Nebu.”

King Nebuchadnezzar is first mentioned during the destruction of Assyria that had been the arch-enemy of Babylon. At that time, he was crown-prince, meaning heir to the throne. With his allies, the ruler of the Medes and Persians, Nebuchadnezzar would lead his armies against the Assyrian’s and Egyptians who were led by Necho ll, who had been occupying Syria. Nebuchadnezzar defeated them at the Battle of Carchemish. Their defeat brought Syria and Phoenicia under the control of Babylon.

The LORD called Nebuchadnezzar, Jeremiah 25:9, “my servant.”

In the year 606 B.C. Daniel was taken captive to Babylon as a young man, most scholars believe he was about seventeen. Nebuchadnezzar rule began in 605 and ended in 562 B.C., some 42 or 43 years.

Now we need to establish a correct timeline. The prophesy of empires begins in Daniel 2, they symbolized by an image of man having a head of gold. The image is said to have been, “terrible,” meaning awesome!

The LORD gave the king this dream in the second year of his reign, 603 B.C.  Daniel was sent for by the king to interpret the dream.

The first kingdom whose head was of gold.

Daniel 2:32, “The image’s head was of fine gold.” Verse 37, Daniel said, “Thou, O King are a king of kings: for the God of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.” Verse 38, “Thou {king Nebuchadnezzar) are this head of gold.”

Now let’s fast forward three years to the year 599 B.C., when the king with his armies goes to Jerusalem; where he carries away the sacred vessels of the temple and brings them back to the land of Shinar, putting them in the house of his god.

Read closely the following in order to get a good insight of what happened when Nebuchadnezzar entered Jerusalem in 599 B.C.

Daniel 1:2, “And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his (Nebuchadnezzar’s) hand, with part of the vessels of the house of God: which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his (Nebuchadnezzar’s) god.”

2 Kings 24:13-14, “And he (Nebuchadnezzar) carried out thence all the treasures of the house of the LORD, and the treasures of the king’s house, and cut in pieces all the vessels of gold which Solomon king of Israel had made in the temple of the LORD, as the LORD had said. And he carried away all Jerusalem, and all the princes, and all the mighty men of valor, even ten thousand captives, and all the craftsmen and smiths: none remained, saved the poorest sort of the people of the land.”

2 Kings 25:14, “And the pots and the shovels, and the snuffers, and the spoons, and all the vessels of brass wherewith they (the priests) ministered, took they away. And the firepans, and the bowls, and such things as were of gold, in gold and of silver, in silver, the captain of the guard took away.” He even took the brass pillars, verses 16-17.

From 599 B.C. until this day, we read or hear nothing more concerning the Ark of the Covenant, the mercy seat, the Urim and Thummim, as well as other sacred vessels of the Temple.
A year later, 598 B.C., Nebuchadnezzar moves on Jerusalem with his armies and besieges Jerusalem, destroying the Temple, thus ending the kingdom of Judah.

How sacred were these Temple vessels to the LORD God? So much so, that when king Belshazzar used these sacred vessels to throw a party for his friends, that very night, the LORD took away his kingdom and Belshazzar had to forfeited his life, the day, September 27th of 539 B.C. 

So, here’s the question, “could the Jews from the year 599 B.C., when everything made of brass, silver and gold were removed from the temple, some cut to pieces and others carried off: could they have any sacrifice whatsoever that would be pleasing to God? Two questions need to be answered, what was the “brazen altar?” and what was the “daily sacrifice?” We will cover the “daily sacrifice” later.

Remember, the Brazen altar, the vessels, pans and shovels were all either overlaid or made of brass. When a person entered the court of the tabernacle, what they would see was the brazen altar. It was there to remind the priests and the people, they were not to approach God without first offering a blood sacrifice for their sins.

How was Moses told by God to build this Brazen altar?
Exodus 27:1-8, "Thou shall make an altar of shittim wood, five cubits long, and five cubits broad (about 7.5 feet): the altar shall be foursquare: and height thereof shall be three cubits. ---- make the horns of it upon the four corners thereof: his horns shall be of the same: and thou shalt overlay it with brass.”

Also, Moses was to make pans to receive the ashes, shovels, basins, flesh-hooks, firepans grate, four brazen rings on the four corners, all made of brass.
The altar measured seven and a half feet on each side by four and a half feet high, made of bronze. The LORD also ordered,

Leviticus 6:13, “The fire (in the altar) shall forever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out.”

The LORD said in Exodus 29:42-43 concerning the fire of the brazen altar, “This shall be a continual burnt offering throughout your generations at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD; where I will meet you, to speak there unto you. And there I will meet with the children of Israel, and the tabernacle shall be sanctified by my glory.” The word continual concerning the fire in the altar means perpetual, always, forever, never to be extinguished.

Also take note, the altar of incense, inside the holy place in the tabernacle, was also overlaid with precious gold.

We are told in 2 Kings, (see above) all the vessels and whatever was made of brass or covered with brass was cut up and  carried off to Babylon, the year, 599 B.C.

Conclusion, without the brazen alter and all its implements, there could be no morning or evening burnt offering made unto the LORD. And without the brazen altar, the fire would have been extinguished, therefore, the daily sacrifice spoken of in Daniel 12:11, and the question asked in verse 6, “How long,” can now be answered concerning the year the daily sacrifices stopped. 

Review: we are told, whatever was made of gold, silver and brass in the Temple was carried off to Babylon. Also, without the ark and the mercy seat, both having been over-laid with gold, there was no place for the LORD to present himself to the high priest even if offerings were made.
 
Conclusion, without the Ark of the covenant, without the mercy seat made of gold overlay, without the altar of incense, and without the brazen altar and its eternal fire, no daily sacrifices or yearly offering could be made unto the LORD; this began in the year 599 B.C.

This leads us into Daniel 12:11, “And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.” Days, obviously mean years. We will cover this in another article.

What remained of the Holy of Holies was an empty stone room, the ark and mercy seat were replaced by a supposed sacred stone. Therefore, I have concluded that this was the year, 599 B.C., when the people of Israel began their longest day of darkness, and that day of darkness continues to this day and will not end until the “Light of the world,” the “Sun of Righteousness” returns to once again shine upon his people, the Jews at the end of the 7 years of tribulation.
 
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When "daily sacrifice stopped."
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Re: When "daily sacrifice stopped."
« Reply #1 on: Thu Feb 07, 2019 - 13:40:11 »
Christ's finished work on the cross reconciled ALL of mankind and reconciliation is now available to anyone who will place his or her faith in Christ and what He has done.  The Jews can do nothing more to please God Almighty than to believe that Jesus is the Messiah.   A remnant believed in Him before and they are free to accept Him now.   The Jews are not being held in Jewish purgatory. 

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« Reply #2 on: Thu Feb 07, 2019 - 13:43:55 »
Galatians 3:16  Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring," who is Christ.

Matthew 3:16  And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; 3:17  and behold, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."

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Re: When "daily sacrifice stopped."
« Reply #3 on: Tue Feb 26, 2019 - 16:22:20 »
Christ's finished work on the cross reconciled ALL of mankind and reconciliation is now available to anyone who will place his or her faith in Christ and what He has done.  The Jews can do nothing more to please God Almighty than to believe that Jesus is the Messiah.   A remnant believed in Him before and they are free to accept Him now.   The Jews are not being held in Jewish purgatory.

That's not what the lead post in this thread is attempting to say.

Christ's work on the cross did NOT reconcile all of mankind.  It only reconciled those who would accept Christ in their hearts and lives.  The rest would NOT be reconciled - beginning with the criminal who was crucified with Him and who mocked Him.

I agree with you that Jews aren't being held in purgatory.  In fact, NOBODY is being held in purgatory.   The idea of purgatory is an invention of the Roman Catholic church and was originally proposed as political satire by Dante Alighieri in his work THE DIVINE COMEDY.   The poetic verse was intended to be satire, not doctrine but the leaders of the church saw in its verses an opportunity for fear mongering and decided to run with it.  Its been the rule ever since.

One either is blessed of God unto life with Christ or one is destroyed in the Lake of Fire, called the Second Death.   There is no purgatory and no hell either.   God is not a sociopathic torturer.    Priests and bishops of the church may have a perverted sense of right and wrong, but God is pretty firm on the idea.

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Re: When "daily sacrifice stopped."
« Reply #4 on: Sat Jun 01, 2019 - 09:51:44 »
  Now, we must ask ourselves: "Sacrifices were still performed at the temple while Jesus was here. Did HE condemn them?"
  By then, most of the Jews had abandoned agriculture & didn't own animals. Thus, vendors appeared, who sold animals suitable for sacrifice. The Jews considered this the same as taking an animal they owned for sacrifice, as they paid their money for it.  And Jesus did NOT condemn that practice; He booted the vendors outta the temple for setting up businesson temple grounds, and for unscrupulous business practices, such as overcharging for animal sales or money-changing. BUT AT NO TIME BEFORE HIS DEATH DID JESUS CONDEMN THE TEMPLE SACRIFICES!
  As for the ark, we see , in Rev. 11:19, that it's in the heavenly temple, Indiana Jones notwithstanding.
  And the Jews fully intend to build a new temple & resume animal sacrifices & other Old Testament ceremonies. They're already breeding animals such as red heifers for use in temple rites. They've consecrated an altar to be installed when the new temple is built. As for the 'eternal flame', I'm sure the Jews will come up with some tale about how it'd been kept by monks in a secret cave for many years, or some similar story.

These will be stopped by the antichrist as per Daniel 9:27. This'll be part of the "abomination of desolation", where the AC will enter the temple & declare himself God.

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Re: When "daily sacrifice stopped."
« Reply #5 on: Sat Aug 10, 2019 - 16:11:18 »
The temple on earth was made according to the pattern of the temple in heaven, where Jesus Christ ever liveth to make intercession for us. He is the High Priest of this new covenant era. His temple extends to the individual believer and the church body which are to continue the work of mediation for humanity by introducing and inviting all to salvation in Christ Jesus the LAMB OF GOD. The new covenant sacrifice is the sacrifice of self, the sinner, to Christ by faith in His atoning blood.

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Literal Rome ended the literal daily sacrifice among those who had already rejected Jesus Christ. Spiritual Rome ends the spiritual daily sacrifice for all who accept her usurped priestly ministration in the place of that of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who intercedes for us in the temple in heaven built without hands.


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Re: When "daily sacrifice stopped."
« Reply #6 on: Mon Sep 02, 2019 - 16:05:31 »
According to the scripture ,this book of prophecy is to remain sealed till the time of the end.
Why would anyone believe thus prophe y wa fulfilled thousands of years before the time it is to be fulfilled?

Anyway.Seeing this is a book of prophecy and about the time of the end,whos to say Israelis wouldbe making the same sacrifices they were thousands of years ago.For all you know,the sacrifices they make may not even be to God but could be sacrifices to someone else .
They do make sacrifices today which are not for God.
You fiqure it out.

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« Reply #7 on: Mon Oct 14, 2019 - 07:54:05 »
Christ's finished work on the cross reconciled ALL of mankind and reconciliation is now available to anyone who will place his or her faith in Christ and what He has done.  The Jews can do nothing more to please God Almighty than to believe that Jesus is the Messiah.   A remnant believed in Him before and they are free to accept Him now.   The Jews are not being held in Jewish purgatory.

According to Jewish tradition and actual history, the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel is an event that would happen at least TWICE (from our perspective in 2019).   

If it HAD already taken place and taken place only once, then why did Jesus refer to it as an event in the future?

Jesus is quoted as speaking to Jews in Matthew 13:14 & 24:15 and was referring to ANOTHER event, which was commonly thought of as the 'abomination of desolation'.   The meaning of the phrase is thus under scrutiny for interpretation.

According to Jewish religion of the time the Temple in Jerusalem represented the levels of heaven and the way by which man could approach God (Adonai) for removal of sin and forgiveness.   During the inter-testamental period, Judea was ruled by the Greeks as predicted in Daniel 2.  When the Greek authorities decided to take control of the temple, replace the Holy furniture with pagan gods and sacrifice pigs to these false dieties, a Jewish rebellion began.   The action of removal of Temple furniture and animal sacrifice required by Mosaic LAW was considered to be the abomination of desolation.

A band of rebels, called the Maccabees, arose in the land and over a period of military action succeeded in ejecting the Greeks from the land.   Temple worship was restored and is celebrated today during the feast of Hanukkah. 

but all that was before Jesus walked the streets of Jerusalem......

Jesus spoke of a future time - ANOTHER TIME - when the abomination of desolation would again visit the land.   That time happened when the Romans besieged the city of Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple altogether.    But the timing of those events is interesting......

Judean rebel factions are considered to be responsible for a series of riots that took place in Jerusalem circa 66AD.  According to the Jewish historian Josephus, Roman authorities under Emperor Vespesian reacted to the riots and began an assault upon the city which ended between three and a half to four years later in 70AD.   The actual beginning and ending of the period of riots and completion of the siege of Jerusalem fluctuates according to which historic reference one consults, but the timing is very close to the 1290 days predicted earlier.   This was the second abomination of desolation in that the Temple was entirely destroyed as a result.    When Jesus warned people to literally head for the hills when they saw it coming, He was quite serious.   It didn't happen all at once and people generally had time to flee if they paid attention to Jesus' warning.

From the time of the crucifixion it has not been necessary to sacrifice animals for sin.   Jesus' sacrifice upon the cross is recognized by God as being the permanent and perfect sacrifice.   Jesus thus fulfilled the requirement of the LAW according to His own words as quoted by Matthew 5:17.   The LAW is thus NOT ABOLISHED, but it is fulfilled by Christ's death.  BECAUSE of His immortal life given upon the cross it is not necessary to sacrifice animals who do not have immortal life.   

The Jewish problem is that they do not recognize the fact that God died on the cross, thus providing a perfect permanent sacrifice for sin.   Yet they admit to not FEELING the necessity to begin again the sacrifice of animals.   If they did, they would have rebuilt a wilderness tabernacle and started it all over.  There is no requirement in the LAW as to geographic erection of the Tabernacle for a sacrifice for sin, but because Jews don't feel compelled to do it, they've not built a place for it.  They don't understand this lack of necessity as much as blow it off with interpretations suitable to their mentality.

The gentile problem is that they do not recognize the efficacy and requirement of the LAW with regard to sin.   Grace doesn't replace the LAW, it allows the righteous man to live the LAW thus pleasing God.

Grace and LAW work together.  The one doesn't replace or abolish the other.   Gentiles are fond of saying they are saved by grace not LAW, but have no idea what that phrase means.   It means that performance of the LAW apart from God's direction is futile and of no efficacy.   It means that only by God's direction (grace) can one truly live according to the LAW.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LICENSE TO SIN.

While Jews are required to abide by most of the 613 dietary and ceremonial laws, gentiles are not.  ALL are expected to live by the Ten Commandments given by God to Moses.

Do you not know O man that the Jewish observance of the giving of the LAW is observed during Shauvot on the same day as we celebrate the giving of the Holy Spirit during Pentacost?

The LAW and the SPIRIT are meant to be joined together to enable a life pleasing to God.  They are not separate matters at all.

It is time to repent of our sins and seek the mercy of God.

Time is short and events are moving swiftly to some cataclysmic event in the near future.

Be advised.   Be warned.   Be ready.  Get saved.

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