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Who are God's 'chosen'?
« on: Fri Jan 13, 2012 - 17:53:58 »
It seems that everyone always tries to argue who are God's people, the 'chosen', the 'remnant', 'spiritual Israel' and declare that they are 'Gods chosen', or by following the 'letter of of the law' or by strictly restricting their behaviour they achieve the status of 'Gods chosen' and thus are 'saved', but what does God say.

Philippians 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:


Many say I follow Christ and yet continue in sinful lusts and iniquity, they just pretend to make themselves look good before others.No one can declare themselves saved, we cannot save ourselves, salvation by faith is not salvation by works or by presumptous declaration or anyone could just 'say it' or give lip service of their piety, but God will be the final judge.

Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.Matthew 23:28


Christ will be our advocate but God will still judge each and everyone, God will look at our case and if it says 'covered by the Christ's righteousness' we are guaranteed eternal life, it is says 'covered by mans logic' then damnation is its end.

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.


Christ came not to judge the world but to save it, but it is still God who judges at the end.

John 12:44-48
44Then Jesus cried out, "When a man believes in me, he does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me. 46I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.
47"As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. 48There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day.


It is God who decides who are His people and who will be saved, those who say "I have accepted Christ" but dont really mean it or follow as He asks will be set aside and Christ will tell them 'I never knew you: depart from me', those who say I follow all the laws but do not love God or fail to see the true meaning of the law will be set aside, those who have false piety or use "cheap grace" to cover their contiuning sin will be set aside, and those who did all the 'works' of helping the poor and needy not from love but to gain favour of man, God will be set aside.....

Man cannot declare 'I am saved' or take eternal life as a prize from their own works or labors, it is a gift through Jesus Christ and it is God not man who decides whether you accepted it and are His chosen people.


The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;Matthew 13:41

Many who 'say' they are saved and declare that they are 'righteous' but dont believe that God has the final say, will stumbled over the "stumbling stone" as they depend not on God but on themselves or on man's desire or effort to gain eternal life and have no faith........

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Re: Who are God's 'chosen'?
« Reply #1 on: Sat Jan 14, 2012 - 06:39:10 »
You are absolutely correct.
People should NOT say that they are saved. Only God "saves"people.
People should NOT say that they have been chosen. Only God chooses people.
People shold NOT say that others will be going to Hell. Only God decides who goes to Hell, NOT other people.
People should NOT lie when they say that they speak in "tongues" because they don't.
 They should not only love the idea of being called a "Christian" but they should actually follow the liberal Teachings of Jesus Christ and not just give them lip service.
For one - Jesus Christ NEVER used or owned a weapon and neither should any of His followers.

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« Reply #2 on: Sat Jan 14, 2012 - 08:26:33 »
Response to the OP:

His chosen are all of those who believe in and follow Jesus Christ .... all  by faith who have turned and accepted Him for who He is and that by His grace He is willing and able to save them for eternity

He is the one and only true God and creator of all things who lives eternally

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« Reply #3 on: Sun Jan 15, 2012 - 23:16:41 »
I have some questions......................who is going to rule and reign with Christ, every single believer?  If so, then who will all the Christians be ruling over in the 1,000 year reign?  With all of the Christians ruling it would have to be over the wicked.  And being that there will be no wicked people (unbelievers) left on the earth at this time how is this possible?  And, it would mean that every single believer will be qualified to be a priest or a king or a judge to rule over people?  It just doesn't make sense.

Many will be called but few chosen.  Only some will be qualified to make the first and more blessed resurrection in which they will rule as priests, kings, and judges.  The other Christians that do not qualify will resurrect in the second resurrection 1,000 years later and will be found in the book of life and will be in heaven also at that time.   Like Solomon's Temple had a Holy of Holies, and inner court and an outer court.  Only a priest could go into the Holy of holies on behalf of the people.  Jesus is now our "High Priest" and many chosen will be priests and kings, and judges in heaven to rule over the people, God's people.

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« Reply #4 on: Mon Jan 16, 2012 - 05:00:33 »
"If so, then who will all the Christians be ruling over in the 1,000 year reign?"

The mortal survivors of the Lord's coming judgment

Those found believing will enter and populate His millennial kingdom on the earth

..... those of the nations found in unbelief will be rejeted

The gatherings after the tribulation of those days are not resurrections

The first to be gathered will be those of Israel [Isaiah 11; 27:13; Matthew 24:29-31] .... and next, those of the nations [Matthew 25:31-46] .... the sheep will enter [these will respect and recognize Israel during the tribulation period, the Lord's brethren] .... the goats will not [these will oppose Israelites just like many do today]

 

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« Reply #5 on: Mon Jan 16, 2012 - 08:03:56 »
The first to be gathered will be those of Israel [Isaiah 11; 27:13; Matthew 24:29-31] .... and next, those of the nations [Matthew 25:31-46] .... the sheep will enter [these will respect and recognize Israel during the tribulation period, the Lord's brethren] .... the goats will not [these will oppose Israelites just like many do today]

Wouldn't this be two ways and contray to Jesus' words in John 14:6? "I am the way and no man comes
to the father but by me." If Israel can be restored otherwise, then Jesus is not the ONLY way.

Is not John 10:1 credible? "Verily, verily I say unto you. He that enters, not by the door into the
sheepfold, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber."

Your gospel has the alleged Jew migrating back to Palestine where he will be restored, but, according to
Deuteronomy, chapters 28-30 demanded Israel FIRST to be converted before they will return.
In your theology Israel will RETURN and THEN be converted.

It takes a great deal of imagination to say with a straight face, that "all the Jews are returning to Israel."
When one reads Hosea 1:4-6; Isaiah 5:1-6; Jeremiah 19:1-11; 23:29-40; Matthew 21:33-45; 23:37-38
we find passages which teach that the biblical nation of Israel would be utterly dissolved, that it would never
again be intact nor inhabit the land of promise.

Christ Himself taught HE would grind to powder those of whom He spoke, and the Jews "understood that
He spoke of them" in Matthew 21:45.

The IMPOSSIBILITY of the re allotment of the land theory is completely over looked by today's premillennialist.
The Bible is plain that land inheritance was given and retained solely through family estates, which have been
totally lost long ago. (Joshua 24:28; Leviticus 25:23-28).

Makes no difference to the Premillennialist, they take their scissors and cut out from their New Testament that
God forbids genealogies under the New Testament.
Right there it is in Timothy 1:4: "nor pay attention to myths and endless GENEOLOGIES, which give rise to
mere speculation rather than furthing the administration of God which is by faith."

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« Reply #6 on: Mon Jan 16, 2012 - 13:23:41 »
"Wouldn't this be two ways and contray to Jesus' words in John 14:6?"

No .... salvation requirements are the same for all

What you do not understand is the Lord's particular dealings with His nation of Israel

..... He is not finished with Israel as a nation separate from the nations of the Gentiles according to scripture

You can believe this, or not ..... it is true

So there is really no good purpose in making an argument over the same

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« Reply #7 on: Mon Jan 16, 2012 - 14:57:23 »
Linker: "No .... salvation requirements are the same for all."

Not arguing...again, you did not answer my questions.
You say that God has "one plan of salvation..."
No you do not, you are requiring Two.

Read what you wrote:
"The first to be gathered will be those of Israel [Isaiah 11; 27:13; Matthew 24:29-31] .... and next, those of the nations [Matthew 25:31-46] .... the sheep will enter [these will respect and recognize Israel during the tribulation period, the Lord's brethren] .... the goats will not [these will oppose Israelites just like many do today]"

One for the Jew and another for the Gentile,   
(1) You have Grace bowing to race. (2) faith to flesh.

Well, which is it?





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« Reply #8 on: Mon Jan 16, 2012 - 16:20:49 »
"again, you did not answer my questions"


I answered ..... you are either too ignorant to understand ..... or you are playing a game

.... I say the latter

So guess what .... no answers for you until you grow up and act like an adult

Your replacement theology is a total ruse

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Linker: "I answered ..... you are either too ignorant to understand ..... or you are playing a game."

When you get through spleening your rhetoric, woud you please answer my questions coming from
your premillennial understanding of reorganizing the Levitical priesthood; reallotment of land to the famlies;
restoring the "rent" veil in the holy of holies; removing the nails in the cross and restoring the law
that Jesus "abrogated"?
Really, I believe these are fair and thought provoking guestions.

By the way Linker...are you on any "Jewish" forums?
I ask this knowing your believe in restoring national Israel; rebuilding the temple; animal sacrifices;
reallotment of land; not boiling a kid in its mother's milk (Deut. 14:21), etc, etc..... All 613.

Think of it! Linker on the "Hebrew" forum and rounding em up. You just may be the "bell goat"
to lead the "chosen" back to Jerusalem... "and then comes the Lord, in a bright shiny Ford
and raptures the second class Christians away." (sung to the melody of 'The Old Rugged Cross')
Good grief...I'm beginning to sound like a Premillennialist!     
Must have gotten caught away in the moment of reallotment.

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« Reply #10 on: Tue Jan 17, 2012 - 05:50:39 »
"woud you please answer my questions"

NO

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« Reply #11 on: Tue Jan 17, 2012 - 22:51:28 »
"If so, then who will all the Christians be ruling over in the 1,000 year reign?"

The mortal survivors of the Lord's coming judgment

Those found believing will enter and populate His millennial kingdom on the earth

..... those of the nations found in unbelief will be rejeted

The gatherings after the tribulation of those days are not resurrections

The first to be gathered will be those of Israel [Isaiah 11; 27:13; Matthew 24:29-31] .... and next, those of the nations [Matthew 25:31-46] .... the sheep will enter [these will respect and recognize Israel during the tribulation period, the Lord's brethren] .... the goats will not [these will oppose Israelites just like many do today]

 

matt 24:29-30 is the tribulation rapture! This is NOT israel's gathered together!

Your wrong because you believe in the pre trib rapture! This is when Jesus comes on the clouds to gather his elect.....

V31 is the 1000 yr reign of Christ....

You gather a ton of verses yet you have none for pre trib rapture!

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« Reply #12 on: Wed Jan 18, 2012 - 05:54:17 »
"matt 24:29-30 is the tribulation rapture! This is NOT israel's gathered together!"


You are contradicting the following scriptures:

Isaiah
11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

11:13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

11:14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

11:15 And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.

11:16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

27:2 In that day sing ye unto her, A vineyard of red wine.

27:3 I the LORD do keep it; I will water it every moment: lest any hurt it, I will keep it night and day.

27:4 Fury is not in me: who would set the briers and thorns against me in battle? I would go through them, I would burn them together.

27:5 Or let him take hold of my strength, that he may make peace with me; and he shall make peace with me.

27:6 He shall cause them that come of Jacob to take root: Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit.

27:7 Hath he smitten him, as he smote those that smote him? or is he slain according to the slaughter of them that are slain by him?

27:8 In measure, when it shooteth forth, thou wilt debate with it: he stayeth his rough wind in the day of the east wind.

27:9 By this therefore shall the iniquity of Jacob be purged; and this is all the fruit to take away his sin; when he maketh all the stones of the altar as chalkstones that are beaten in sunder, the groves and images shall not stand up.

27:10 Yet the defenced city shall be desolate, and the habitation forsaken, and left like a wilderness: there shall the calf feed, and there shall he lie down, and consume the branches thereof.

27:11 When the boughs thereof are withered, they shall be broken off: the women come, and set them on fire: for it is a people of no understanding: therefore he that made them will not have mercy on them, and he that formed them will shew them no favour.

27:12 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.

27:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.

Matthew
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Your error is this: Matthew 24 is all about Israel living in the land during the coming 70th week decreed .... not the Lord's church

The above scriptures alone stand against your post-tribulation view .... and the gathering is not a resurrection of anyone .... it is the Lord's gathering of the mortal Israelite survivors of the tribulation who will enter and populate His coming millennial kingdom on the earth

He will then gather the survivors of the tribulation of the nations and those who are found believing will also enter His millennial kingdom upon the earth [Matthew 25:31-46]

If you cannot understand this truth from the scriptures it is because you don't want to

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« Reply #13 on: Thu Jan 19, 2012 - 07:39:13 »
Future prophecy: "Behold, your house is left unto you (national Israel) desolate."
These words are revelation coming from the Lord, who said that He "did not know when
He would return."
Wonder why Jesus has not clicked on His computer and tuned into our on campus "scholars"
and find the date Israel will return, build him a temple and resurrect the Mosaic law and crown
Him King of kings?

Fact: The Jew is out of business in the age of the New Testament.
Post, Pre trib, double dipped, raptured: Jesus coming and going like a yo-yo is a fantasy
made up by old prophecy "scholars" who spent their time in a shroud of misbegotten charts;
they have locked themselves in a tomb of eschatological disgrace by their own "keys."

Each generations of prophecy gurus come and go, they are buried with their beloved charts of
"I told you so," only to be followed by a new generation of "let me tell ya son, I got it all figured out."

Zionist "Jews" look upon these futurists as a band of rednecks who were spawned in a creek
bed in Sandgap, Ky.
To the mind of the watching and listening public, the credibility of the Bible is being tied to the political
fate of an anti-Christian state.
Israel-the-key-to-prophecy is dogma for denominations who read the Bible like they do a Dell
Comic Book.  Christianity has become a laughingstock because of their lunny-toon ending of
"Daba-daba- that's all folks."

The state of Israel hates our Lord and His Word and Israel's surival is not the credibility test of that Word!
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« Reply #14 on: Thu Jan 19, 2012 - 09:38:47 »
"Future prophecy: "Behold, your house is left unto you (national Israel) desolate."


Only a part of the story son .... you are intentionally discarding the balance of what the Lord intends to do with His nation of Israel

The preterist/replacement theologist quacks about Israel's past and then sweeps the nation's future projected by the prophets under the rug

The Lord's church of a few Israelites and a multitude of Gentiles is one thing .... the tracking of national Israel throughout the scriptures is another thing

And until you are willing to accept this truth you will never understand the Lord's Word

The road that you have taken on this matter has led you off of the course and into grave error which may be afflicting you in a number of ways 

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« Reply #15 on: Thu Jan 19, 2012 - 11:01:43 »
"matt 24:29-30 is the tribulation rapture! This is NOT israel's gathered together!"


You are contradicting the following scriptures:

Isaiah
11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

11:13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

11:14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

11:15 And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.

11:16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

27:2 In that day sing ye unto her, A vineyard of red wine.

27:3 I the LORD do keep it; I will water it every moment: lest any hurt it, I will keep it night and day.

27:4 Fury is not in me: who would set the briers and thorns against me in battle? I would go through them, I would burn them together.

27:5 Or let him take hold of my strength, that he may make peace with me; and he shall make peace with me.

27:6 He shall cause them that come of Jacob to take root: Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit.

27:7 Hath he smitten him, as he smote those that smote him? or is he slain according to the slaughter of them that are slain by him?

27:8 In measure, when it shooteth forth, thou wilt debate with it: he stayeth his rough wind in the day of the east wind.

27:9 By this therefore shall the iniquity of Jacob be purged; and this is all the fruit to take away his sin; when he maketh all the stones of the altar as chalkstones that are beaten in sunder, the groves and images shall not stand up.

27:10 Yet the defenced city shall be desolate, and the habitation forsaken, and left like a wilderness: there shall the calf feed, and there shall he lie down, and consume the branches thereof.

27:11 When the boughs thereof are withered, they shall be broken off: the women come, and set them on fire: for it is a people of no understanding: therefore he that made them will not have mercy on them, and he that formed them will shew them no favour.

27:12 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.

27:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.



Matthew
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Your error is this: Matthew 24 is all about Israel living in the land during the coming 70th week decreed .... not the Lord's church

The above scriptures alone stand against your post-tribulation view .... and the gathering is not a resurrection of anyone .... it is the Lord's gathering of the mortal Israelite survivors of the tribulation who will enter and populate His coming millennial kingdom on the earth

He will then gather the survivors of the tribulation of the nations and those who are found believing will also enter His millennial kingdom upon the earth [Matthew 25:31-46]

If you cannot understand this truth from the scriptures it is because you don't want to



So you think these Israelite survivors of the tribulation enter the kingdom...........how?  Are they raptured with the rest of the church?  Are you saying that the gathering of the elect spoken of by Jesus in matthew 24 is not the rapture/resurrection?  Because if you are, you are preaching a false gospel.  I don't know where you get your information, but the reason God warned in the Book of Revelation to not add or take away from the words in the book are to protect the truth so it would not be changed by ignorant men, who will lead many away from the truth.  That is why the bible says, let not many of you be teachers, because there is a stricker judgment.  If we would just listen.  If anyone is not in the truth even unknowingly and leading others in error, and away from the truth, there is judgment for this.  That is supposed to put a respect in man towards the things of God, to make sure their words are not in error.  No one is respecting God, or in other words, no one has the fear of God.

First of all, there is no 7 years of tribulation.  There will be great tribulation but the 70th week of Daniel chapter 9 was already fulfilled by our Messiah Jesus, except the reference to the future prince to come who will destroy the sanctuary, which is God's chosen one's/the two witnesses, who will give their testimony.  They are that sanctuary not made with hands.  Jesus always spoke in a way that you had to look deeper to see the meaning of His words.  This is one example.  The sanctuary He speaks of is not a literal building.  There are many references to this sanctuary being His chosen, elect, sons of God that will be revealed.  Also, when Jesus told Niccodemus that He must be born again to see the Kingdom of God, He didn't mean literally being born from a womb.  This is the heart of God throughout the scriptures.  God is the author of what is revealed, not man.  We are to let revelation come to us by His spirit in this way, not we figure it out literally.  And it must not be delivered by a deceiving spirit.  That is why God gives the message to His chosen Apostles, prophets, teachers, preachers, because He will equip them with spiritual gifts to protect them from any deception. God did it this way on purpose.  That is why He spoke in parrables.  It keeps the ones who are not hearing by the spirit from understanding.  But now we are in the end days and everyone has their own interpretation.  These interpretations come from "Man", not God.  This is the spirit of Antichrist....."Man" replacing God.  No one is seeking to hear God's revelation.  Everyone is putting "Man's" revelation in place of God's.  Many are making up stories that they think make sense with some scripture, but it does not line up with all scripture and with the heart of God in those scriptures as a whole.  There is only one Rapture, which God calls the Resurrection at the end of the age.  This first resurrection is for all living and dead elect/chosen, only, to rule and reign with Christ.  Only those who are in the truth are worthy to rule and reign.  This is a high position in God's kingdom, and it is not just handed over to any Tom, Dick, and Harry.  And speaking of the word rapture, man came up with the word Rapture, it's not in the bible.  We, man, have changed the truth by all these things that we make up and then build a whole prophetic interpretation upon, and it is in error.  God must be the author of the interpretation, and He said it will be revealed to His chosen prophets, not every Tom, Dick, and Harry.  Everyone thinks they have the mystery solved and they are not respecting God and not listening to His word.  You should be looking for that prophet and hear the truth, and then know the truth.  If men would seek and wait for God to show it to them before they hastily come up with their own interpretations.  God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, he will not change and lower himself to man, we must line up with Him or we miss it and miss out, and will be knocking at the door and He will say, "I never knew you".  

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« Reply #16 on: Thu Jan 19, 2012 - 12:25:53 »
What does it mean by chosen?

Does it mean chosen for salvation?
...chosen to be a special people?
...chosen to give the Gospel message?

chosen for what specifically?

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« Reply #17 on: Thu Jan 19, 2012 - 13:12:25 »
Hi Godlovejoy,
you said:

"If men would seek and wait for God to show it to them before they hastily come up with their own interpretations.  God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, he will not change and lower himself to man, we must line up with Him or we miss it and miss out, and will be knocking at the door and He will say, "I never knew you".  

Why does Jesus say, "I never knew you"? Not because people have improper eschatological interpretations.

The context of this is Matthew 5-7, the context is "these sayings of mine" (everything He just finished teaching in the Sermon on the Mount)

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven... I will profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock..."

I understand Jesus to mean that those who hear and do as their Lord commanded are the saved, they know Him and He knows them. Those who hear and do not are those to whom Jesus says, "I never knew you, depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

I cannot find proper "end times" understanding in this context. Our Lord teaches that the fruit of those who are saved  is faith- filled obedience to the commandments of God in Christ.
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« Reply #18 on: Thu Jan 19, 2012 - 13:30:54 »
I don't agree with either of you and think that your interpretation of the matter is wrong and falls short of the full  rendering

So there is no point in arguing over it .... got it?

You will not convince me ..... and I will not convince you

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« Reply #19 on: Thu Jan 19, 2012 - 14:27:58 »
What does it mean by chosen?

Does it mean chosen for salvation?
...chosen to be a special people?
...chosen to give the Gospel message?

chosen for what specifically?

It means chosen as the 5 wise virgins, and chosen to go in the first resurrection to the marriage supper of the lamb, to rule and reign with Christ.  The others, will resurrect 1,000 years later, and those who are found in the book of life at the great white throne judgment will also be in heaven, and remember, when we die, we sleep in the grave and we are not aware of time going by.  We die and then our next conscious moment is with the Lord.  So, as long as you are saved by grace through faith in Jesus and have repented of sin, then you will be in the book of life and go to heaven whether it be in the first or second resurrection.  The first being for the chosen.  Many are called but few are chosen.  Those chosen, make themselves worthy, pick up their cross and follow Christ at any cost, even at the loss of family, jobs, your life if asked of by God in the calling.  following the resurrected saints in the first resurrection. 

Read Matt 10

24 The disciple is not above [his] master, nor the servant above his lord.

25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more [shall they call] them of his household?

26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

27 What I tell you in darkness, [that] speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, [that] preach ye upon the housetops.

28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.

32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36 And a man's foes [shall be] they of his own household.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.

42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold [water] only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.


But God is so gracious that even if you receive one of His chosen and receive that truth, you will receive the same reward as them.

I believe some of this elect group that will be living at the last 3 1/2 year period just before Christ comes, they will be doing great exploits as in the days of Moses as the "Two Witnesses", not just two, but many.  They will be annointed by God and given power to do great exploits on the earth, and they, many will be martyred, as in Revelation 11. 

Then after the resurrection, all the elect and chosen saints from past up til the "Two Witnesses", will become "One" with Christ at the marriage supper of the Lamb, they will have their new body just like Christ, will be given their positions/rewards as kings, priest, and judges, and come back with Christ to rule and reign on the earth.  One of the mysteries of marriage that the Apostle Paul talks about is the becoming "One" in marriage.  Well, this is what takes place with the elect at the marriage supper of the Lamb.

This is that mystery

Ephesians 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
The elect are seeds of God sown in corruption but raised incorruptible.  They are put through extremem circumstances and trials and fire in life to make them worthy for these rewards.  Shown in 1Corinthians 15

41 [There is] one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory.

42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
I hope this answers the questions.  Because God is a spirit,  it is hard to just put a short & simple answer.

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Re: Who are God's 'chosen'?
« Reply #20 on: Thu Jan 19, 2012 - 14:32:30 »
Hi Godlovejoy,
you said:

"If men would seek and wait for God to show it to them before they hastily come up with their own interpretations.  God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, he will not change and lower himself to man, we must line up with Him or we miss it and miss out, and will be knocking at the door and He will say, "I never knew you".  

Why does Jesus say, "I never knew you"? Not because people have improper eschatological interpretations.

The context of this is Matthew 5-7, the context is "these sayings of mine" (everything He just finished teaching in the Sermon on the Mount)

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven... I will profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these saying of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock..."

I understand Jesus to mean that those who hear and do as their Lord commanded are the saved, they know Him and He knows them. Those who hear and do not are those to whom Jesus says, "I never knew you, depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

I cannot find proper "end times" understanding in this context. Our Lord teaches that the fruit of those who are saved  is faith- filled obedience to the commandments of God in Christ.

I do agree with all that you have written here.  I meant that the door will be shut to the first resurrection.  Thank you.

Godlovejoy


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« Reply #21 on: Thu Jan 19, 2012 - 16:10:26 »
Godlovejoy,

I apologize for misunderstanding you. I guess I have read one too many condemning statements on this forum against fellow believers with regards to differing ET interpretations. I keep thinking how Jesus Christ said,

"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

Jesus makes it simple. He makes himself known to the one who humbles himself before God to do His will. As you said, the one who "picks up their cross and follows Christ at any cost." This is the one who overcomes the world, the flesh and the devil. Not the one with "all knowledge" and no love. We will all know soon enough what God meant when He said this or that. But the things that are crucial for salvation He made unambiguous and we have fellowship with one another based on these.

God bless  ::smile::

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« Reply #22 on: Thu Jan 19, 2012 - 17:06:09 »
Godlovejoy,

I apologize for misunderstanding you. I guess I have read one too many condemning statements on this forum against fellow believers with regards to differing ET interpretations. I keep thinking how Jesus Christ said,

"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

Jesus makes it simple. He makes himself known to the one who humbles himself before God to do His will. As you said, the one who "picks up their cross and follows Christ at any cost." This is the one who overcomes the world, the flesh and the devil. Not the one with "all knowledge" and no love. We will all know soon enough what God meant when He said this or that. But the things that are crucial for salvation He made unambiguous and we have fellowship with one another based on these.

God bless  ::smile::

 ::amen!::
God Bless You too!

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« Reply #23 on: Fri Jan 20, 2012 - 10:07:44 »
Godlovjoy: "It means chosen as the 5 wise virgins, and chosen to go in the first resurrection to the marriage supper of the lamb, to rule and reign with Christ.  The others, will resurrect 1,000 years later, and those who are found in the book of life at the great white throne judgment will also be in heaven, and remember, when we die, we sleep in the grave and we are not aware of time going by.  We die and then our next conscious moment is with the Lord.  So, as long as you are saved by grace through faith in Jesus and have repented of sin, then you will be in the book of life and go to heaven whether it be in the first or second resurrection.  The first being for the chosen.  Many are called but few are chosen.  Those chosen, make themselves worthy, pick up their cross and follow Christ at any cost, even at the loss of family, jobs, your life if asked of by God in the calling.  following the resurrected saints in the first resurrection. "

Would you tie your theory here in with Acts 2:41?
Were the 3000 at Pentecost "saved" or not?

The text dose not indicate that the 3000 were "chosen" anymore that the 5000 in Jerusalem
noting Acts 4:4. The requirement was to FIRST hear the Word. Second, a decision was to be made.

Peter said to those at Pentecost, "hearken to my words" (Acts 2:14).
They that heard based their decision upon his message to "repent and be baptized everyone of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit"
(Acts 2:38). I believe you would call this "Unambiguous."

What are the written requirements for receiving remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit?
Read anything in the text about "closing your eyes, saying a pious prayer and asking
Jesus into your heart"? Anything about a "Holy Ghost experience"?
 
The preaching of the Word is to be efficacious, not transcendental.
It does not take a degree in theology to miss what is written in Acts, chapters 2 and 4.
It takes professional help!




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« Reply #24 on: Fri Jan 20, 2012 - 15:29:17 »
Godlovjoy: "It means chosen as the 5 wise virgins, and chosen to go in the first resurrection to the marriage supper of the lamb, to rule and reign with Christ.  The others, will resurrect 1,000 years later, and those who are found in the book of life at the great white throne judgment will also be in heaven, and remember, when we die, we sleep in the grave and we are not aware of time going by.  We die and then our next conscious moment is with the Lord.  So, as long as you are saved by grace through faith in Jesus and have repented of sin, then you will be in the book of life and go to heaven whether it be in the first or second resurrection.  The first being for the chosen.  Many are called but few are chosen.  Those chosen, make themselves worthy, pick up their cross and follow Christ at any cost, even at the loss of family, jobs, your life if asked of by God in the calling.  following the resurrected saints in the first resurrection. "

Would you tie your theory here in with Acts 2:41?
Were the 3000 at Pentecost "saved" or not?

The text dose not indicate that the 3000 were "chosen" anymore that the 5000 in Jerusalem
noting Acts 4:4. The requirement was to FIRST hear the Word. Second, a decision was to be made.

Peter said to those at Pentecost, "hearken to my words" (Acts 2:14).
They that heard based their decision upon his message to "repent and be baptized everyone of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit"
(Acts 2:38). I believe you would call this "Unambiguous."

What are the written requirements for receiving remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit?
Read anything in the text about "closing your eyes, saying a pious prayer and asking
Jesus into your heart"? Anything about a "Holy Ghost experience"?
 
The preaching of the Word is to be efficacious, not transcendental.
It does not take a degree in theology to miss what is written in Acts, chapters 2 and 4.
It takes professional help!





Pointmade:
Yes, this was the former rain of the Holy spirit and the latter rain will be on the "Two Witnesses" that will do great exploits like the ones in Acts.  But you ask about salvation.  I am not speaking about salvation, but taking a look at the chosen or elect of God as is the topic of this thread.  It is only God who chooses His elect.  The apostle Paul speaks of running the race in a way so as to not be disqualified.  And Jesus plainly says that many are called but few are chosen.  I see "Called" as picked out or chosen from all the believers.  I am not saying that you are not saved if you are not called.  Here in Romans 8, these were called out of many brethren(believer's)

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

The 5 wise virgins were picked out among the 10 virgins who were waiting for Christ.  They also were all believer's. 

There are other examples too.

Godlovejoy  ::smile::


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« Reply #25 on: Sat Jan 21, 2012 - 01:47:28 »
I am assuming that you believe that you have been "chosen."

Tell me...How do you know?

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« Reply #26 on: Sun Jan 22, 2012 - 00:13:02 »
I am assuming that you believe that you have been "chosen."

Tell me...How do you know?

All I can say is that God makes it very clear with confirmations that a person has been called to something.  I guess it's like the parables about the kingdom of God...........Matt 13:

44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when

a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:

46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

Are you wondering if you are being called by God?

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« Reply #27 on: Sun Jan 22, 2012 - 12:09:19 »
"So you think these Israelite survivors of the tribulation enter the kingdom...........how?"


As mortals .... the Lord will gather them and they will enter His millennial kingdom on the earth [Isaiah 11; 27:13; Matthew 24:29-31]

.... and so will the believing sheep of the nations the same [Matthew 25:31-46]

We can only enter the kingdom in the same manner that Jesus did in the order God set.

1 cor 15:

16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith [is] vain; ye are yet in your sins.

18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

..............................................................................and skipping a few verses...................................... ...................................

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.

57 But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.


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« Reply #28 on: Sun Jan 22, 2012 - 16:42:51 »
Christ is Israel
EXODUS 4:22 The Lord said "Israel is my son..my first born.."

The promises made to Israel..are to Christ......The Israelite who followed God/Christ....were the chosen...they had a job to do..and they did it..

Today...under the New Covenant made between God and Man...both Israelite and Gentile...all races...Those who follow Christ are heirs to the promises made to Abraham..THEY ARE THE CHOSEN ONES..THEY ARE NOW THE CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM..

GALATIANS 3 makes this quite clear..

COLOSSIANS 3:12 tells us that WE...THE CHRISTIANS ARE THE CHOSEN OF GOD..under the new covenant..

The promised land is not in a desert in Palestine..but it is THE NEW JERUSALEM THAT COMES DOWN FROM HEAVEN.

all scripture points to a NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH....not this place..this place is not our home..remember?

For God to be a part of building a Temple in Jerusalem in order for men to sacrifice goats for sin...would make Christs suffering on the cross of no effect...It cannot be scriptural for a Temple to be built in Israel..that is of God...

It is a fleshly Temple...THE TEMPLE OF GOD IS WITHIN THOSE WHO BELIEVE..UNDER THE NEW COVENANT WITH GOD...

I CORINTHIANS 3:16...Know ye not that YOU ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD?? thats the New Temple...its a spiritual one..not an earthly one..

go do TRUTH LEFT BEHIND.COM

Also YOUTUBE ISRAEL DELUSION....ANTICHRIST DELUSION....TRIBULATION DELUSION....TEMPLE DELUSION..

You will be able to see..that the GREAT FALLING AWAY..THAT WILL FOOL EVEN GODS ELECT..has already happened..and its the LEFT BEHIND teachings taht are the heresy mentioned in the Bible..

THE HARLOT..is Gods bride...in false doctrine...

Jesus told us that the Anti Christ would come through the Christian church..


STEVE WOHLBERG is one of the most excellent teachers on the bible I have seen so far...please go to his site...and learn the tuth of what the Bible says..

I never would wrap myself around all that hysteria taught in Left Behind..God does things in order...A Rapture..leaving planes with no pilots...cars with no drivers..families with parents missing..just is not something God would do.

HOW MANY NEWBIE CHRISTIAN CONVERTS WERE LOST BECAUSE OF THE SCAREY TEACHINGS IN THE LEFT BEHIND SERIEDS? those not grounded in Godly things would not want to be Christian..and suffer all that was said in those teachings..

THE LEFT BEHIND Eschatology teachings..are born in the Catholic Church by the Jesuits of which many were Jews...Most that Left Behind stuff is all Pro Jew Pro Israel...Its obvious whats going on there..Im thinking of the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion...FLESHLY JEWS..NOT SPIRITUAL JEWS...that were left behind when Christ came..Its a corruption of the Christian church...This is the HARLOT OF BABYLON...the fallling away from truth..the Anti Christ spirit..

MATTHEW 24 is about the separation of the Tares from the Wheat...the Evil ones being taken off the planet...at THE SEVENTH TRUMP OF GOD...THE ONLY RETURN OF CHRIST  in the Bible is at the SEVENTH TRUMP.....Matthew 24 is all about evil people...nothing is mentioned in that chapter of Gods people..

The bible teaches us that Christ will not return..UNTIL THERE IS A GREAT FALLING AWAY FROM THE TRUTH...FOOLING EVEN THE VERY ELECT..

Perhaps that  time has come.. Perhaps that time is now....and Christ is coming soon..

IT WILL BE AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH..

Genesis 6 : 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually..

Matthew 24:3
Luke 17:27
It will be as in the days of Noah..people will be eating ...drinking..marrying and giving in marriage...(building)..then the end will come.

Jesus will come as a thief in the night...those who do not know him...will be caught by surprise..as were the people in the days of Noah..

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« Reply #29 on: Sun Jan 22, 2012 - 16:58:20 »
Spiritual Israel followed Christ..Obviously by scripture...fleshly Israel..those who never followed God were present as well..

Fleshly Israel was LEFT BEHIND.....and because of the New Covenant..the Old covenant was withered and destroyed..You can find this in the book of Hebrews..

Christ withered the fig tree...saying it would produce fruit no more...That covenant was over..and finished...See Hebrews 8: 8-13

Colossians 3:12...YOU ARE THE CHOSEN OF GOD...holy and dearly loved. (Christians...followers of Christ..Children of Israel..)

Christians are the Israelites of the New Covenant and have become the descendents of Abraham and are heirs to the promises made to Abraham....According to scripture..GALATIANS 3...Hebrews...and in other places..

Christ IS Israel..Exodus 4:22  The Lord said, "Israel is my son..my firstborn"

Israel is Christ...The land was promised to Israel..Christ..where he will 'RULE AS GOD' which is what 'Israel' means..in Hebrew..

Christians  are now the Children of Israel..because we are the followers of Christ...We are his children...Jew..Gentile..Arab...all peoples all races are one under Christ.

 

     
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