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Who was/is the head with the deadly wound?
« on: April 23, 2012, 11:44:46 AM »
Rev 13:3  And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

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Re: Who was/is the head with the deadly wound?
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2012, 03:29:57 PM »
Rev 13:3  And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Theologians speculate between a few possible ideas.

1) Seeing how God's angel describes the seven heads as a line of seven kings with the sixth being alive during St. John's time, some believe the "king" to be the emperor Nero who committed suicide.

2) When we actually read the entire verse the Bible records St. John observing this beast and it's sixth king "after" it's wound had already healed. Meaning that in the reign of the sixth king, which was during St. John's lifetime, the Beast had already been mortally wounded and recovered from the wound.

In keeping with those scriptural precedents, some theologians believe that the "king" who received the mortal wound was the first king; Julius Caesar. This mortal wound extends beyond destroying the caesarian line but also refers to the affliction of civil war that followed Julius Caesar's assassination.

In this school of thought the recovery from the mortal wound of assassination of Caesar refers to the victory of Gaias Augustus Ocatavian Caesar over his uncles killers Brutus and Cassius. Once healed the Roman Republic was restored as the Roman Empire and Caesar's dynasty would rule as the sole head of the empire for the next seven generations.

Under this empire Christians suffered through two Great Persecutions with the imperial sword killing all but three of the Apostles, pretty much all of their first generation students and many of the early church leaders.

3) There is a third few which is a bit more modern. The belief is that the head that received the mortal wound refers to the Pope that was arrested by Napolean which led successfully to the dissipation of the western Papacy's temporal authority.
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Re: Who was/is the head with the deadly wound?
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2012, 03:36:34 PM »
Satan's beast has 7 heads [kingdoms]

5 have fallen [5 ancient kingdoms of the Middle East]

The 5th kingdom was Syrio/Babylonia .... the beast's 5th

His lost his 5th kingdom just before the first century ["head" wounded] and was sent to the abyss [Syrio/Babylonia was overthrown by Rome]

The "head" is symbolic for a kingdom .... the beast, who is a fallen angel, does not have 7 literal heads

This beast is not human .... he is the angelic king of the abyss .... no human could ever live long enough to exist over the extended time frame of his appointed rule over human kingdoms

He rules over 7 literal human kingdoms and related king "positions" on the earth for Satan

This beast will come out of the abyss to rule the Middle East again

.... his 6th smaller ["head" healed], and expanded 7th divided kingdom with 10 other kings

[Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-14]
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Re: Who was/is the head with the deadly wound?
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2012, 04:25:47 PM »

Rev 13:3  And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
 

It is the antichrist, the little horn of Daniel Chapter Seven, but considering previous posts of yours, I believe you already know this.   ::smile::

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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2012, 05:07:10 PM »
Satan's beast is his "anti-christ" who will be manifested in the human little horn of Daniel's visions

This angelic beast from the abyss will fully possess the human little horn of Daniel's visions [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 17:8-14]

Notice that the little horn is not called the "little Horn" in Revelation's unfolding ..... this is because the beast has incarnated him .... the world will be astonished when they see this manifestation of the beast

The beast and the little horn will be come one ..... a first time experience for humans to encounter and observe ... this will be of the working of Satan [2Thessalonians 2:8-9]

This beast of Revelation will have the same 10 other human kings subordinated to him just as the human little horn does in Daniel's visions .... they are the same

He is called the "Assyrian" [designating the location of his rising at the time of the end] ..... and his mentor and  inspiration is Satan [the one that the Lord addresses as gog] [Ezekiel 38:17]

 
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Re: Who was/is the head with the deadly wound?
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2012, 07:30:08 PM »

Rev 13:3  And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
 

It is the antichrist, the little horn of Daniel Chapter Seven, but considering previous posts of yours, I believe you already know this.   ::smile::

Nice post Larry! rofl

Jdg_4:2  And the LORD sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, that reigned in Hazor; the captain of whose host was Sisera, which dwelt in Harosheth of the Gentiles.
Jdg 4:3  And the children of Israel cried unto the LORD: for he had nine hundred chariots of iron; and twenty years he mightily oppressed the children of Israel.

Sisera is captain of the giants (sons of God daughters of men, hybrids).
The twenty years bolded above is 2 tens.....first coming second and second coming of Jesus. A prophecy that the beast will rule until Jesus comes back the second time.

Jdg_4:21  Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died.
 
The deadly head wound sent Sisera to the pit. The next part in Isaiah is the best!

Isa 22:22  And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.
Isa 22:23  And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father's house.

The cross fastened in a sure place, into the skull, Golgotha!

The beast that rises up from the pit is not a Roman, not a Jew, not even human, he is a hybrid. The giants will be coming back into the land soon I think.

The twenty years bolded above is 2 tens.....first coming second coming of Jesus. A prophecy that the beast will rule until Jesus comes back.

Does anyone have any idea who the other 7 heads are? And no Larry2, I don't know. lol

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Re: Who was/is the head with the deadly wound?
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2012, 07:34:52 PM »
The following is taken from SABBATH, SUNDAY, AND THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION -

The question is of course, can we find an event in history relating to Papal Rome, that could rightly represent her receiving an apparent deadly wound to her head? The answer, of course, is yes.  Observe the following quotes.

When, in 1797, Pope Pius VI fell grievously ill, Napoleon gave orders that in the event of his death no successor should be elected to his office, and that the Papacy should be discontinued.

But the pope recovered; the peace was soon broken; Berthier entered Rome on the tenth of February, 1798, and proclaimed a republic.  The aged pontiff refused to violate his oath by recognizing it, and was hurried from prison to prison into France.  Broken with fatigue and sorrows, he died on the nineteenth of August, 1799, in the French fortress of Valence, aged eighty two years.  No wonder that half Europe thought Napoleon’s veto would be obeyed, and that with the Pope the Papacy was dead.--- “ The Modern Papacy,

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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2012, 08:07:18 PM »
All I call say is bull-feathers. “If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it must be a duck;" walla, it's the antichrist duck.
 ::thankyouthankyou::

Revelation 4:1  After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither (heaven), and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
 
This presents a question: are the following scripture verses subsequent to Revelation 4:1; a time yet future?

Revelation 13:3-8 
3  And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4  And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5  And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. Second half of tribulation, or Jacob's trouble.
6  And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7  And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8  And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

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Re: Who was/is the head with the deadly wound?
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2012, 08:10:25 PM »
Wait how can you apply Revelation 17 an entity that was wounded, healed and on it's sixth of eight rulers in the first century to an power that you claim was wounded 208 years ago?

Are we all reading the same Bible?

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Re: Who was/is the head with the deadly wound?
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2012, 08:21:10 PM »
"Does anyone have any idea who the other 7 heads are? And no Larry2, I don't know"


The prophetic scriptures have your answer:

The 5 fallen human kingdoms of the beast were neo-Babylon [head of gold], Medo/Persian, [silver arms] the greater Persian [silver chest], Alexander the Great's Asian empire [bronze belly], and Syrio/Babylonia [the northern division of Alexander's broken empire] [northern leg of bronze] [see Daniel's image in chapter 2] .... all fell before the first century

Also see the same kingdoms in Daniel 7 [lion, bear, raised up side of the bear, leopard, the northern head of the divided Leopard]

The secular historical record also confirms this exact succession of Middle Eastern empires of the past

Rome and subsequent empires following like the Arabian, Mongol, Parthian, Ottoman, and British are not included in the scope of the visions of the Bible prophets [the beast has been in the abyss during this time frame and cannot interact with humanity until he is released at the time of the end of this present age]

.... there are only 7 kingdoms of the beast presented in the scope of the visions


Revelation's account of the beast's kingdoms is exactly the same as presented in Daniel, but adds 2 to complete the 7 .... there are 2 remaining and these will emerge at the time of the end ..... the first smaller kingdom of the little horn, and the next expanded divided with 10 other kings

The beast will be released at the beginning of the 70th week decreed for Israel [same as the tribulation period] and his human little horn will rise with a smaller kingdom in northern Mesopotamia [his 6th kingdom] .... the beast will then expand this kingdom into his 7th and final kingdom with 10 other kings by making alliances and by conquering [Ezekiel 30; Daniel 7:7-25; 11:36-44; 12:7; Revelation 13:4]

Notice that the beast carries the symbolic trappings of his past human kingdoms of the Middle East [Revelation 13:1-2]
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Re: Who was/is the head with the deadly wound?
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2012, 08:52:50 PM »
"This presents a question: are the following scripture verses subsequent to Revelation 4:1; a time yet future?"


All of them are

John's spirit was transported into the future to be shown the time of the end still pending today

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Re: Who was/is the head with the deadly wound?
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2012, 08:54:10 PM »
"This presents a question: are the following scripture verses subsequent to Revelation 4:1; a time yet future?"


All of them are

John's spirit was transported into the future to be shown the time of the end still pending today

Chapter and verse.

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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2012, 09:00:57 PM »
All of Revelation's unfolding beginning in chapter 4:2 through the end of the book is still pending

Some of the chapters include historical reach backs for overview like chapter 12 and 17

And this prophetic vision of the Lord's revelation repeats subject details as the narrative rolls forward

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Re: Who was/is the head with the deadly wound?
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2012, 09:06:27 PM »
All of Revelation's unfolding beginning in chapter 4:2 through the end of the book is still pending

Some of the chapters include historical reach backs for overview like chapter 12 and 17

And this prophetic vision of the Lord's revelation repeats subject details as the narrative rolls forward

I hear you saying that but you made a claim and I asked for biblical substantiation.

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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2012, 09:21:00 PM »

All of Revelation's unfolding beginning in chapter 4:2 through the end of the book is still pending

Some of the chapters include historical reach backs for overview like chapter 12 and 17

And this prophetic vision of the Lord's revelation repeats subject details as the narrative rolls forward


The history of the church is Revelation Chapters One through Three. From Revelation 4:1 John only sees thing hereafter from the perspective of the Lord's Day when He sits on His own throne. John was caught forward to that day, and heard behind him a voice, turned and describes this present time.