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Why is the Third Temple so important?
« on: Wed Nov 03, 2021 - 07:08:27 »
I almost never post in this End Times forum.  There is just too much animosity here. 

This is the contents of an email I received today from "Messianic Bible" publishers.   I know the 3rd temple discussions are among the most heated but felt led to share it here.  I do not believe the article is on a website, just the email, so there is no link to click on. 

Some names and the monetary requests have been redacted.
I apologize ahead of time for the length. 

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Re: Why is the Third Temple so important?
« Reply #1 on: Wed Nov 03, 2021 - 07:08:52 »
Shalom xxx,
 
The Hebrew prophets all proclaimed that in the last days, the exiles of Israel would return to the Promised Land and that the Temple would be rebuilt.
 
And the Lord said, “Then the nations will know that I the Lord make Israel holy, when my sanctuary is among them forever.”  (Ezekiel 37:28)
 
These phenomenal end-time events are unfolding before our very eyes!
 
But the question must be asked: for whom is the next Temple really being built?

The Prophetic Return to Israel and the Third Temple
 
So many skeptics around the globe like to proclaim that God has rejected the People of Israel and that Israel has been rebirthed by man alone. Yet, we find in Scripture that God never intended to reject His People forever:
 
“You, Israel, My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, Descendant of Abraham My friend, you whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called from its remotest parts and said to you, 'You are My servant, I have chosen you and not rejected you.'"  (Isaiah 41:9)
 
God always planned to bring the Jewish People back to the Land on His terms, not man's.  And just as the prophets foretold, the Jewish People are returning to the Holy Land from the four corners of the earth after 19 centuries of global exile:
 
“I will bring back my exiled people Israel; they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them.  They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit.  I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them.”  (Amos 9:14–15)
 
Not only are the exiles of Israel returning to the Promised Land, but preparations to build the Third Temple are progressing through the efforts of the Temple Institute and the Temple Mount Faithful Movement.

Why Build the Third Temple?
 
“Here am I, and the children the Lord has given me.  We are signs and
symbols in Israel from the Lord Almighty, who dwells on Mount Zion.”
(Isaiah 8:18)
 
xxxx, you might ask yourself, “If the sanctuary was ‘a copy and a shadow of what is in Heaven (Hebrews 8:5),’ and Yeshua (Jesus) ‘serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord (Hebrews 8:2),’ why contemplate building the Holy Temple?”
 
The Holy Temple in Jerusalem was never simply a building or structure,
but an earthly dwelling place for the Divine Presence of God. 
 
The Lord said,
 
"Let them construct a sanctuary for Me, that I may dwell [shakan] among them."  (Exodus 25:8; see also Exodus 40:34–35 and 1 Kings 8:11)
 
This dwelling (shakan) forms the related word Shekhinah, which is not found in the original Hebrew Bible, but it is used in rabbinic literature and Bible translations to describe the Lord's Divine Presence.
 
The Prophet Ezekiel witnessed the departure of this Divine Presence from the Temple (Ezekiel 10:18–19).
 
But he also saw the rebuilding of an eternal and permanent dwelling place of God on the Temple Mount in the Holy City of Jerusalem.
 
“The glory of the Lord entered the temple through the gate facing east.  …  I heard someone speaking to me from inside the temple.  He said: ‘Son of man, this is the place of my throne and the place for the soles of my feet.  This is where I will live among the Israelites forever.’”  (Ezekiel 43:4–7)

Maimonides (Rabbi Moses ben Maimon), a medieval Jewish philosopher and
Torah scholar, said that the Temple has eternal significance. 
 
He wrote in Hilchos Bais HaBechirah (The Laws of God’s Chosen House) that the Temple had two primary purposes:

    To reveal to mankind the Divine Presence of God, which dwelt above the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant.

“There, above the cover between the two cherubim that are over the Ark of the Testimony, I will meet with you and give you all my commands for the Israelites.”  (Exodus 25:22)

    To facilitate the offering of the required sacrifices.

Since the destruction of the Second Temple in AD 70, however, the Jewish People can no longer offer these sacrifices.  In fact, 202 out of the 613 mitzvot (commandments) in the Torah cannot be performed without a Temple.  (Temple Institute)

With no Temple in Jerusalem, the Jewish people now worship the God of Israel in their local community synagogues and in the study of Torah.
 
Instead of offering animal sacrifices, they now offer Tefillah (prayer), Teshuvah (repentance), and Tzedakah (charity).
 
Many think that animal sacrifices have been done away with forever, but according to Bible prophecy, this simply isn't so.  The Lord tells the Prophet Ezekiel that in a future Temple, the prescribed sacrifices will be offered:
 
"The north and south rooms facing the temple courtyard are the priests’ rooms, where the priests who approach the Lord will eat the most holy offerings.  There they will put the most holy offerings—the grain offerings, the sin offerings and the guilt offerings—for the place is holy.”  (Ezekiel 42:13)
 
But a serious question arises not only for the Jewish community, but for all Believers in Yeshua: will the next Temple—the Third Temple—be Ezekiel's Temple where the Divine Presence will once again reside.  Or will some other presence reside in some other Temple?

Daniel, Yeshua, the Anti-Messiah, and the Third Temple
 
In the prophetic writings of the Book of Daniel and the Brit Chadashah (New Testament), we find significant details about the role of a rebuilt Temple in the end times.
 
Both Daniel and Yeshua (Jesus) tell us that the Anti-Messiah will defile the Third Temple before the return of the true Messiah.
 
They both call this spiritual defilement in the Temple the abomination of desolation:
 
“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.”  (Matthew 24:15–16; compare with Daniel 9:27, 11:31, and 12:11)

According to the Prophet Daniel, the Messiah would be cut off before the Temple is destroyed:
 
“After the sixty-two weeks the Messiah [Mashiach] will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince [ruler, nagid] who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.  And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.”  (Daniel 9:26)
 
This prophecy was fulfilled in AD 70 with the destruction of the Temple, just forty years after Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus the Messiah) was cut off by his execution on a tree.
 
Through the study of numerous end-time Scriptures, we believe that this prince or ruler (nagid) is the anti-Messiah who will appear as Daniel describes.
 
Daniel says he will confirm a covenant of peace in the Land "for one week" (often interpreted as seven years) and that he will break that covenant in the middle of the term.
 
“And he [the prince] will make [some translations say 'confirm'] a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate [some interpretations say, set up an idol on the wing or precipice of the Temple], even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”  (Daniel 9:27; see also Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:4)
 
The anti-Messiah will also proclaim himself to be God!
 
“He [the man of lawlessness] will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.”  (2 Thessalonians 2:4)

The Temple Institute as well as the Temple Mount and Eretz Yisrael Faithful Movement are the two main Jewish organizations responsible for making preparations for the Third Temple and the reinstatement of sacrificial worship.
 
Other organizations have plans, too.  One wants to pitch a tabernacle-style tent on the Mount; another wants to build a synagogue in a corner of the platform.
 
Why? Because as Chaim Richman, the director of the Temple Institute states in his Myth Buster video series, "Buildings don't fall down from heaven."  He adds that "it's a mitzvah to build the Temple," citing Exodus 23:8 and that Jews should be performing all 613 mitzvot, which requires a Temple. 
 
He also says that the Third Temple will "bring the Light back into the world" that left the Temple Mount when the Lord's Divine Presence departed.
 
Moreover, he believes "it is the Holy Temple that enables all of humanity to engage in direct dynamic relationship with God and provides the opportunity for every individual to rise to our greatest potential."  (Temple Institute YouTube: Myth Busters Part 1)
 
Daniel 9 and 11 as well as Brit Chadashah writings, however, help us see that another reality exists for the Temple.
 
Nevertheless, the ritual garments and vessels have been created.

Even the Golden Menorah—the seven branched candelabra—has been crafted, along with Levitical musical instruments, such as silver trumpets, lyres, and harps to worship the Lord, just as King David did 3,000 years ago (1 Chronicles 23:5).
 
The Temple Institute's School is training certified, DNA-tested Cohen (descendants of the High Priest Aaron) to perform the Temple duties.
 
And the final element, the Red Heifer, is being bred in Israel to be sacrificed in the ritual purification of the priests and the vessels, so they may formally enter the holiest of holy area on the entire earth.

Everything is ready for the rebuilding of the Third Temple.  Everything, that is, except the land on which to build it.
 
Since the liberation of the Mount in 1967, the Muslim world has made great efforts to claim the entire 37-acre (150,000 square meter) platform as its own sacred land, calling the site al-Ḥaram al-Šarīf—the Noble Sanctuary.
 
To protect the Noble Sanctuary, the Muslim world has become expert organizers of riots on the Temple Mount and violence on the streets of Israel. 
 
Incitement to such violence increases whenever rumors spread that a Jewish presence will be established on the Temple Mount or its own Muslim structures harmed.

Only an incredibly respected, trusted, and honored man by both Muslims and Jews will be able to establish a peace plan that allows the Jewish People to worship the Lord in a Temple on the Mount that King David himself purchased (2 Samuel 24:18–25).
 
Whoever this man is and whatever trouble awaits us (i.e., Jacob's Trouble) when he breaks the peace plan as Daniel 9:27 predicts, we can be confident that God is on the throne and in control. 
 
As King David writes in Psalm 121:4: “He who watches over Israel will neither slumber nor sleep.”
 
We know that end-time Bible prophecy concerning the Third Temple is soon to be fulfilled because Israel was prophetically reborn as a nation in 1948 (Isaiah 66:8), and most of these Temple preparations only started in the last 30 years.
 
As we persevere through these end-times, join us in introducing the Sar Shalom (Prince of Peace) Yeshua HaMashiach to the Jewish People so that He may dwell in them and bring them a peace and Joy they have not yet known.

“But at that time your people, everyone whose name is found written in the book, will be delivered.”  (Daniel 12:1)

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Re: Why is the Third Temple so important?
« Reply #2 on: Wed Nov 03, 2021 - 08:19:20 »
That is all so incredibly sad DaveW.

There is no realization that WE as the believers are the "living stones" of the actual "Third Temple".   And that instead of the Shekinah glory resting on a stationary physical temple structure, we have the Holy Spirit which has moved inside us forever as believers.  God's Temple has gone vibrantly mobile, and is in the process of spreading throughout the nations. 

They may have done DNA research to attempt to identify Aaronic members for the priesthood, but Ezekiel's limitations on the priesthood were specifically for those of the Zadok family as high priests, and no other.  Just how they are to narrow that down to current-day members of that former Zadok family would be an impossibility as far as I can see.  At any rate, that Ezekiel temple was planned and constructed in the post-exilic return period, and was renovated by Herod - and destroyed by the end of AD 70.   God does not intend another physical temple to be rebuilt, as it would be sheer idolatry at this point in opposition to the already-existing and expanding spiritual Third Temple, with Christ as our deathless High Priest.   

I believe God has deliberately allowed the deceived notion about the supposed Temple Mount location under Muslim occupation to persist, in order to put sand in the gears for those wanting to rebuild a new temple on those grounds.     

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Re: Why is the Third Temple so important?
« Reply #3 on: Wed Nov 03, 2021 - 08:59:24 »
The Zadok priesthood members already know who they are.  That has been passed down the family lines for the last 2k years. I have met a few of them, including one who was from the High Priestly line. 

The 2nd temple built by Nehemiah and rebuilt by Herod does not meet the physical dimensions of the Ezekiel temple.  So it has yet to be erected.

Actually, the foot print done by a new Temple on the Temple Mount is unoccupied.  The "dome of the rock" edifice is just south of where the sun would shine thru the Eastern gate as described by Josephus.

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Re: Why is the Third Temple so important?
« Reply #4 on: Wed Nov 03, 2021 - 11:17:00 »
There will always be those that believe the "old wineskins" and their contents are better than the "new wineskins".  There has been a "change in the law" over to the new high priesthood of Christ, as in Hebrews 7:12.  For anyone today to pursue a Zadok genealogy as a foundation for a re-established high priestly line would be to defy Christ's position that has been established forever in His deathless role as our Great High Priest.  This is idolatry.  Those "endless genealogies" were an "unprofitable" and "vain" obsession, even back in Paul's days when he told the believers in Titus 3:9 to "avoid" them.  Why would anyone who is a believer want to pursue something Paul said to avoid?  That makes no sense. 

That second Temple, built under Zerubbabel's hands from start to finish, was most certainly the fulfillment of Ezekiel's plans given to him by God.  Scripture tells us that this temple was finished according to that plan.  "And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo.  And they builded, and finished it according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.  And this house was finished on the third day of the month Adar, which was in the sixth year of the reign of Darius the king."  (Ezra 6:14-15).  That Ezekiel temple WAS erected.  And also demolished down to the last stone in AD 70, as Christ decreed that it would be.


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Re: Why is the Third Temple so important?
« Reply #5 on: Thu Nov 04, 2021 - 06:16:48 »
Amo 8:1  Thus hath the Lord GOD shewed unto me: and behold a basket of summer fruit. 
Amo 8:2  And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.

It is important to understand that God was finished with earthly Jews, earthly Jerusalem and earthly temples when Christ died on the cross. All of those things served as shadows until the real came.


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Re: Why is the Third Temple so important?
« Reply #6 on: Thu Nov 04, 2021 - 08:31:41 »
  And they builded, and finished it according to the commandment of the God of Israel,
The "commandment of God" was the instructions given to Moses and to Solomon.  The dimensions of Ezekiel's temple were different.   That temple has not existed yet.

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Re: Why is the Third Temple so important?
« Reply #7 on: Thu Nov 04, 2021 - 15:46:17 »
DaveW,

Each time God gave commandments to build a physical worship structure, He also gave the dimensions and the operating protocol for that particular structure. 

That was true for Moses' tabernacle, with the pattern given to Moses in the mount, as Hebrews 8:5 tells us. 


It was also true of Solomon's temple, according to the pattern given to King David by the Spirit, which he passed into the hands of Solomon to execute, as described in I Chron. 28:10-19.


This was also true of the temple Zerubbabel's hands built from start to finish, which commandment was given by God for Zerubbabel to execute from the foundation stone to its completion, "according to the commandment of the God of Israel", as Ezra 6:14-15 said it was completed.   That was Ezekiel's temple pattern and operations given by God, as found in Ezekiel 40-47, built from start to finish in the post-exilic return, along with a description in Ezekiel 47-48 of the city and the tribal division of the land back in those days when the tribes were still extant.


It was also true of the SPIRITUAL TEMPLE not made with hands; the one "growing unto an holy temple in the Lord" by the addition of "living stones" built upon the foundation of Christ, the chief cornerstone.  Ephesians 2:21 gives the details and character of this spiritual structure.   "Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow-citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: in whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."

The description of the city New Jerusalem, where this temple is situated, was given by the angel who showed John this foursquare city with NO NEED OF A PHYSICAL TEMPLE STRUCTURE WITHIN IT because "The Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the Temple of it" (Revelation 21:22).   We are IN CHRIST as believers, and so need no more physical temple, because we are one with the Father and the Son in this present New Jerusalem we occupy.

Why on earth do you think God would downgrade this ultimate reality of the New Jerusalem city and its spiritual Temple for a paltry physical structure again?  That would be regression - not progress.   Paul called it "the weak and beggarly elements", in comparison to what we now have. 

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Re: Why is the Third Temple so important?
« Reply #8 on: Fri Nov 05, 2021 - 03:19:36 »
DaveW,

Each time God gave commandments to build a physical worship structure, He also gave the dimensions and the operating protocol for that particular structure. 

That was true for Moses' tabernacle, with the pattern given to Moses in the mount, as Hebrews 8:5 tells us. 


It was also true of Solomon's temple, according to the pattern given to King David by the Spirit, which he passed into the hands of Solomon to execute, as described in I Chron. 28:10-19.


This was also true of the temple Zerubbabel's hands built from start to finish, which commandment was given by God for Zerubbabel to execute from the foundation stone to its completion, "according to the commandment of the God of Israel", as Ezra 6:14-15 said it was completed.   That was Ezekiel's temple pattern and operations given by God, as found in Ezekiel 40-47, built from start to finish in the post-exilic return, along with a description in Ezekiel 47-48 of the city and the tribal division of the land back in those days when the tribes were still extant.


It was also true of the SPIRITUAL TEMPLE not made with hands; the one "growing unto an holy temple in the Lord" by the addition of "living stones" built upon the foundation of Christ, the chief cornerstone.  Ephesians 2:21 gives the details and character of this spiritual structure.   "Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow-citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: in whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."

The description of the city New Jerusalem, where this temple is situated, was given by the angel who showed John this foursquare city with NO NEED OF A PHYSICAL TEMPLE STRUCTURE WITHIN IT because "The Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the Temple of it" (Revelation 21:22).   We are IN CHRIST as believers, and so need no more physical temple, because we are one with the Father and the Son in this present New Jerusalem we occupy.

Why on earth do you think God would downgrade this ultimate reality of the New Jerusalem city and its spiritual Temple for a paltry physical structure again?  That would be regression - not progress.   Paul called it "the weak and beggarly elements", in comparison to what we now have.

Amen, and this is according to the word of God~very well said in a few words. RB

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Re: Why is the Third Temple so important?
« Reply #9 on: Fri Nov 05, 2021 - 13:59:47 »
The description of the city New Jerusalem, where this temple is situated, was given by the angel who showed John this foursquare city with NO NEED OF A PHYSICAL TEMPLE STRUCTURE WITHIN IT because "The Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the Temple of it" (Revelation 21:22).   We are IN CHRIST as believers, and so need no more physical temple, because we are one with the Father and the Son in this present New Jerusalem we occupy.

Why on earth do you think God would downgrade this ultimate reality of the New Jerusalem city and its spiritual Temple for a paltry physical structure again?  That would be regression - not progress.   Paul called it "the weak and beggarly elements", in comparison to what we now have.
There is no "downgrade."  The Ezekiel 3rd temple comes before the New Heaven and New Earth, (Rev 21) That happens  after the tribulation, millennium, and the final judgement.(Rev 20)

When our Lord returns to this Earth, to physically reign from Jerusalem during the Millennial Messianic Kingdom, (which is all before the first heaven and earth are destroyed) where will He reign from??  Some Israeli government building?

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Re: Why is the Third Temple so important?
« Reply #10 on: Fri Nov 05, 2021 - 15:20:27 »
Well, DaveW, when it comes right down to it, what actually IS a supposed future physical temple structure built in Jerusalem but a mere "Israeli government building"? 
And I suppose you would want to see the installation of another Soreg wall of partition again?  How is that not regressing, and downgrading the value of what is now in place under the present New Covenant, the New Jerusalem, and the New Heavens and New Earth?  The New Jerusalem city now has open gates, with free access to all who are thirsty, to come and drink "living water" from the Source itself. 

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Re: Why is the Third Temple so important?
« Reply #11 on: Sat Nov 06, 2021 - 08:27:44 »
I almost never post in this End Times forum.  There is just too much animosity here. 

This is the contents of an email I received today from "Messianic Bible" publishers.   I know the 3rd temple discussions are among the most heated but felt led to share it here.  I do not believe the article is on a website, just the email, so there is no link to click on. 

Some names and the monetary requests have been redacted.
I apologize ahead of time for the length.

I'm quoting your first post because of a need for brevity in my response to it.   

The reader should be aware of the historic significance of ANY prophecy by ANY Biblical prophet.  History bears a direct influence on what is being written and how it is to be understood.   One of the problems with modern Biblically illiterate persons is that they fail to consider the context of a passage including its historic ramifications.

Ezekiel lived in Babylon at the time of the Jewish captivity.  At the same time, Jeremiah lived in Jerusalem. 
Both prophets bemoaned the loss of Israel's status as a sovereign nation as well as the destruction of Solomon's temple (the 1st temple).  The destruction of the 1st temple happened on the 9th day of Av on the Hebrew calendar.  The 9th day of Av is also observed as Tisha B'Av to this day.  The destruction of Herod's temple, the 2nd temple, also happened on the 9th day of Av. 

The unveiling of a gigantic bronze statue of satan in America happened on the 9th of Av 2015.
Mt Vesuvias erupted in 79 AD destroying the city of Pompeii - on the 9th of AV.
In 1290 AD Pope Urban II declared the 1st Crusade.  10,000 Jews were killed that day - the 9th of Av.
Some believe the rapture will occur on the 9th of Av. (I personally disagree, but have included this as part of this document.)
There are far too many historic disasters which have happened on Tisha B'Av to be listed here.

That being said, the Ezekiel chronicle of what some believe to be a future 3rd temple was never realized.

Bear in mind Herod's temple, the 2nd temple, had not yet been built when Ezekiel described what may be more properly described as his concept of the ideal temple.   
Ezekiel was no Moses.  Ezekiel did not have the leadership capacity or national influence of Moses. 
The Mosaic design for the Wilderness Tabernacle and the two Jerusalem temples that followed was not in accord with the Ezekiel pattern.  Therefore the Ezekiel pattern is either irrelevant or symbolic of something other than an actual building.

To be precise MOST of Ezekiel's words echo something OTHER THAN actual physical objects. They're more properly described as debauched thoughts of Israel's priests -or- the heart and soul of a dedicated righteous believer.  For instance, the river that flowed out of the Ezekiel temple vision parallels Jesus' description of "rivers of living water" (John 7:37-39) which proceed out of the heart of a dedicated believer.  2 Corinthians 6:14 describes a born again person as "a temple of the living God."
Such interpretations ought to be seriously considered as describing the future body of Christ (believers) rather than an edifice of stone.

No 3rd temple has ever been built or planned (by Israel). (There are, however, quite a few Christian con artists who will welcome contribution$ to their bogus schemes to rebuild.)

The design of Ezekiel's temple includes a waterway on the temple grounds.  There is no water on the temple mount - never has been.
However, the Gihon spring continues to flow in the City of David located below the temple mount.  No temple was ever built there nor would the geography of the area support its construction. 

The book of Revelation describes New Jerusalem, but there is no temple within the confines of that city.  It's stated in scripture God Himself would be the temple.  Therefore there is no need for a 3rd temple or the prophetic implication of such a construction.  The primary purposes for a temple in Jerusalem was to provide a place of worship and to sacrifice animals for SIN. Jesus predicted that in the future it wouldn't be necessary to travel to Jerusalem to worship.  St. Paul later wrote that the animal sacrifice was obsolete because Jesus provided a better one.  Therefore in the eyes of God no 3rd temple is necessary.

No prediction or expectation of a 3rd temple should be considered valid. 

Biblical illiteracy and ignorance has nothing to support it except vehement rhetoric.  Unfortunately that's what we often witness instead of considered Biblical and historic research. 

Between anti-Semitic attitudes, obvious Biblical illiteracy and illogical presentations of religious philosophy, American Christianity has become something of a joke to everyone who witnesses our sad dog and pony show.  We see evidence of this religious lunatic fringe everywhere - in every church in every community in America.

Instead of saving our nation we are helping to reduce it to the level of incompetence.

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