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« on: Mon Apr 11, 2011 - 09:38:31 »
We (USA) are paying for our "yes" vote in the old League of Nations (now the U.N.) for the partition of Palestine on MAY 14, 1948.
Zionism moved into power in the state of Israel. (Revelation?).

Recognizing that many Zionists reside in the U.S. we can understand why America's political leaders have made questionable, if not reckless decisions regarding U.S. foreign policy due to the influence of Zionist political leaders and lobbying.

A cursory examination of Middle East decisions and policy from the mid-1950's including the last three decades reveals a host of "trade off" deals initiated by the last six Presidents, their cabinets and Congress. The majority of these were to the detriment of the United States and precipitated the present alienation of the United States from the Arab world and the OPEC leaders who are now using their control of oil as a bargaining Chip to attempt to induce American policy to demonstrate a more even-handed attitude toward the Palestine People.

Our politicians have continually voted and advanced pro-Israeli policy to avoid the wrath of the "Jewish Vote." One can only wonder what policies would be forthcoming if there were such a group as the "Russian Vote" or lobby. Would we then hear these same politicians espousing the Marxists philosophy and rhetoric?

The fact that dual citizen Zionists do indeed reside in America can account for the U.S. policy of the past 63 years amounting to total support and endorsement of Israel despite the obvious injustices and inequities perpetuated against the purposeful animosity now existing between the United States and powerful Arab Nations whose history has been supportive of American goals and foreign policy except our "blank check" policy with Israel.

The United States will face a long and difficult road to overcome a worldwide image of indecisiveness and weakness as a direct result of the compromise and naivete of our Presidents and Congress.

If you have doubt, the price of oil today $112 a barrel. Our economy is in the "tank." We, as a nation are broke!
The cronies on TV are pushing the working man to "buy gold." Sure, most of us can't buy hamburger!
George Washington said in his farewell address before Congress that "America should have no favorite nation policy."
By George, he was right!

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Re: Zionism/American Policy
« Reply #1 on: Mon Apr 11, 2011 - 10:31:56 »
The Palestinian issue is the sore that the Arabs don't want to heal. They are the ones that keep picking the scab off the festering sore. The Arabs don't really care about the Palestinians, but they do care about annihilating Israel. Clinton and the Israelis gave Arafat virtually everything he asked for and it scared the living crap out of him. He didn't want to go the way of Anwar Sadat of Egypt for making peace with the Israelis.


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« Reply #2 on: Mon Apr 11, 2011 - 10:44:58 »
Then you are saying the "sore" began in 1948?

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« Reply #3 on: Mon Apr 11, 2011 - 11:22:42 »
Then you are saying the "sore" began in 1948?

Not at all. I think there is much historical evidence that this land was first the Jews. The mandate in 1948, set up two separate states, the Palestinians would have no part of it. They vacated the land so that the rest of the Arabs could come in and conquer it. Which they failed.

Egypt and Jordan did not want them. It was much more politically prudent to keep the Western Left up in arms about the poor Palestinians than for their own people to do anything for them. They are tragically just pawns. There are hundreds of thousands of assimilated Arabs in the Jewish state. Jews are hunted and killed in Muslim states. Certainly no Jew occupies a position in a Muslim government as the opposite is the case in Israel.

The Arab Israeli peace hinges solely on whether the Arabs want peace or not. I don't think they do. Arabs laying down arms would mean peace. Israelis laying down arms would mean no more Israel.
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« Reply #4 on: Tue Apr 12, 2011 - 09:05:42 »
Jamie: Not at all. I think there is much historical evidence that this land was first the Jews. The mandate in 1948, set up two separate states, the Palestinians would have no part of it. They vacated the land so that the rest of the Arabs could come in and conquer it. Which they failed.

Why should there have been a "mandate" to set up two different states?
Let's look at the facts: The "Mandate" or Balfour Declaration was written by Arthur James Balfour, the British Foreign Secretary, to give official British approval of Palestine as a national home for the Jewish people.

Histor records reveal that during the British occupation of Palestine in 1918, the population consisted of 644,000 Palestinian Arabs, and 56,000 Jews.
Other small ethnic groups existed but they were insignificantly small and need not complicate the figures. The Jews formed a mere 8 percent of the total population.

When the British left in 1948, the population consisted of 1,350,000 Palestine Arabs and 650,000 Jews. The Jewish ratio increased from 8 to 32 percent.
Notice the increase of the Palestinians during the 31 years of the mandate was very little more than double. this was to be expected as a result of natural increase.

The Jewish population, however, increased during the same period by more than 11 times! This phenomenal increase was not "miraculous" or "supernatural" as many misguided ministers and teachers have proposed who advance the dispensational premillennial school of eschatology,
but rather attributable to the Jewish immigration which continued to flow into the country in great numbers, all the while against the wishes of the original, majority population.

By the end of the "mandate" the Jews had acquired approximately an area of 580 square miles out of a total land area of 101, 635 miles.
In other words, at the end of the mandate the Jews owned about  5.7 percent of the total land of the country.
The 1948 U.N. Partition gave the Jews sovereignty over 58 percent of the total area of Palestine.
This is nearly ten times as much land as they had legally and actually owned!

Fact: Just as dramatically, the partition placed an equal number of Palestinian Arabs under the domination of the Jews.
According to the partition scheme, the Jewish "state" contained some 498,000 Jews and 497,000 Palestinian Arabs.

Now, the big problem: The vast majority of these Arab people were now found to be living on "Jewish land," given to the Jews by the United Nations.
This was the very motivation needed to provoke the Jews to do everything possible to force the Arabs to flee their homes and country, and to become refugees for the first time in their history.

Fact: It is clear that the Palestinian refugees of today are not the result of their own "free choice" to leave their inheritance and homeland, willfully becoming refugees rather than  remain citizens of Palestine.
This is a part of the popular propaganda campaign advanced by the Zionist politicians. It is utterly amazing that any rational human being would begin to believe such a ridiculous statement of ignorance on behalf of many, as to the true facts and occurrences surrounding the Mid East Crisis that has this country, a supporter of the "state" of Israel bankrupt.
Many of our finest young men and women caught up in a war that began with a "MANDATE" in 1917.

You will find from a cursory examination of ancient Palestinian history, it becomes apparent that the ancestors of the Palestinian Arabs of today were indeed living in Palestine at the same time as the ancestors of the Semitic Jews. The Biblical record affirms that the Arabs and Jews were first cousins, being descendants of one common ancestor, Abraham, by his three wives Sarah, Hagar, and Kentura.

The present day Jews now occupying Palestine are but mere fragments and in no way traceable to the former Hebrews or Habiru who once conquered the land of Canaan.
Semitical people existed long before they were joined by the same Habrius thus discrediting the commonly accepted notion that only modern day Jews are "semitical."

Those Palestine Arabs still living in Palestine are true descendants of the original semitical inhabitants. Their roots do not lie in Syria or Lebanon, Jordon or Egypt, but rather their homeland, the land of Palestine.

Every "proof-text" submitted by Jews today or misguided, naive Christians in support of the occupation of Palestine is an attempt to prove that Christ will establish a Jewish Kingdom in Palestine, therefore the Jews have a biblical right to the land.
Surely this is an extreamly poor exegesis as well as highly misleading to many.
The Kingdom is, as Jesus said, "not of this world."

A reminder: The promise God made to Ishmael was uconditional. (Gen. 17:20).


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« Reply #5 on: Wed Apr 13, 2011 - 16:22:24 »
Fact: The Palestinians evacuated their land in expectation of the Arab conquest of Israel. The Arabs failed, and the Arab nations did nothing to accommodate their stranded evacuatee brethren, hence the permanent refugee status

Ishmael was to be a donkey of a man though he would be a great nation as promised, BUT a burden to his brother.

Also of course, the spirit of Amalek persists to this day among the Arabs
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Re: Zionism/American Policy
« Reply #6 on: Wed Apr 13, 2011 - 23:06:10 »
Also, we must remember that a lot of the history of the Arab/Israeli conflict occurred during the days of the four plus decades long Cold War with the Soviets. The US's support of Israel during this time was a strategic decision to counter the Soviets influence with the major Arab players. I don't believe our support was all that Zionist in nature, it was mostly one of the ways we fought the Soviets without actually fighting the Soviets. Now we need a responsible democratic partner in the region to counter the coming power struggle of Sunni vs Shiite Islam. And of course if it weren't for the oil in the Persian Gulf, we wouldn't give on whit if they all slit each other's throats.

Last but not least, it is my opinion that Yasser Arafat did more to harm the Palestinian cause than any human being in the mix. Now of course Imanutjob and the 6th century gang of mullahs in Iran are taking the cake. But in the end:

Zech 12:2 "Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of reeling to all the surrounding peoples, and on Judah also will it be in the siege against Jerusalem.
Zech 12:3 It will happen in that day, that I will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all the peoples. All who burden themselves with it will be severely wounded, and all the nations of the earth will be gathered together against it.


All the nations of the earth will of course include the good ol' USA. So someday you will get your wish.


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« Reply #7 on: Sat Apr 16, 2011 - 08:35:17 »
Jamie: "Zech 12:2 "Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of reeling to all the surrounding peoples, and on Judah also will it be in the siege against Jerusalem.
Zech 12:3 It will happen in that day, that I will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all the peoples. All who burden themselves with it will be severely wounded, and all the nations of the earth will be gathered together against it."

Jamie, surely you do not believe these two verses pertaint to the modern day Jerusalem?
Did you skip chapter 11 of Zechariah?
Here we find that the "Good Shepherd" would no longer have "pity" upon National Israel." (11:6).

11:3, Zechariah is prophesying the Roman conquest of Palestine during AD 66-70.
God's anger was upon National Israel for killing His Son,

Do you understand Jesus' parable of the "wicked husbandmen" in Matthew 21?
Just who do you believe the "son" of verse 39 is that they "slew"?
What did Jesus say was going to happen to those who slew the son?
Have any idea what the term "grind into powder" means? (v. 44).

Recall the words of the Jews in Pilate's judgment hall: "We have no king but Caesar."
As a result of that decisive decision the armies of the foreign king would smite the land."
God WILL NOT deliver the Jews from the power of this adversary, i.e. the Romans (11:6b).

He would abandon the flock of Israel.
He would withdraw his gracious protection of national Israel because the Good Shepherd was rejected by the flock.
Just as that staff of verse 11:10  was broken, so would God break his coveant....with all the people.
National Israel is "the vessels of wrath fitted for destruction" in Paul"s anology in Romans 9:22.
"Has not the potter the right over the clay"?

Zechariah is not prophesying world events in the 21 century or behond!
The Spot Light of prophecy had always been on the Lord's first coming, NOT events of His second coming.
Acts 1:7 is oblivious to those of the millennial persuasion is it not?





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« Reply #8 on: Sat Apr 16, 2011 - 19:38:02 »
So Jesus has already set foot on the mount of Olives and the mountain split from east to west as in Chapter 14 of Zecharia and the whole world has been coming to Jerusalem to celebrate Sukkot with King Jesus for almost 2000 years? Cool! Didn't know that.

Also, I very much believe that we are grafted on to the Jewish root, (God's people........I did not say all Jews). There are natural branches grafted BACK on as well as wild branches. There are tens of thousands of Messianic Jews today. Natural Branches grafted back in. God has not forgotten his people. Yes the Jews must come to Christ, and I believe they will.

As to prophecies of his second coming, I believe they are just as literal as the prophecies of his first coming. And there are plenty of them. The focus of the Bible is his coming reign as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, every knee bowing and every knee confessing type thing. The restoration of the all things as they were before the fall of man. THAT is what the focus of the whole bible is, God's plan of redemption for fallen mankind.

Are you reading the Palestinian translation of Romans 11? The first verse says, " I say then, God has no rejected His people has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendent of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin." My verse 5 and 6 say, "In the say way then, there has also come to be a present time a remnant accordig to ?God's gracious choice. But if is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace. What then? That which Israel is seeking for, it hs ot obtained but those who were chosen obtained it and the rest were hardened." (By whom?)

The chapter goes on to talk about those that were broken off for their unbelief..............................later in vs 25, Paul talks about the partial hardening that has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. What would be your prediction of what God will do when the fullness of the Gentiles has come in? You reckon it will have anything to do with some of the natural branches.

Of course it says in vs 26, "and thus all Israel will be saved..................he will remove unGodliness from Jacob."

I don't think that happened in the first century, do you? When it does happen, I believe it will be a miracle of God.
 
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« Reply #9 on: Sun Apr 17, 2011 - 08:17:55 »
Jamie: "Yes the Jews must come to Christ, and I believe they will."

And, how do they do this? Cling to a form of a religious Jew?
You are saying there is more than one way to come to Christ?
You and I come by faith, and the Jew by race...Why, that is pure nonsense!
Grace does not bow to race.
"Paul writes, "But if it is by grace, it is no more of works."

The Jew refused to believe, so God cast them off!
Yet, you hang on to the dispensational premillennial school of eschatology that the New Testament answers to the Old, that modern day Jews
are the people of God first---the church second, and that modern Israel anticipates a thousand year Jewish world empire with Jesus on a Jerusalem throne.

Jamie: So Jesus has already set foot on the mount of Olives and the mountain split from east to west as in Chapter 14 of Zecharia and the whole world has been coming to Jerusalem to celebrate Sukkot with King Jesus for almost 2000 years? Cool! Didn't know that."

Evidently, you did not know this either: Where in the New Testament does it report of Jesus "setting foot" again on earth?
The Jewish dispensation ended with the death of Christ, and the Gentile dispensation will end when the gospel is preached unto all nations (Matt. 24:14).

Jamie: "The chapter goes on to talk about those that were broken off for their unbelief................ ..............later in vs 25, Paul talks about the partial hardening that has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. What would be your prediction of what God will do when the fullness of the Gentiles has come in? You reckon it will have anything to do with some of the natural branches."

True, national Israel was "broken off." But, "all Israel was NOT saved! Most rejected the Gospel!
The "three thousand" Jews who accepted Peter's words at Pentecost (the gospel) were "added" by God to the Church, or Kingdom. (Acts 2:37-47).
Would they be of the "remnant"? How about those "five thousand" of verse 4 in Acts 4? The book of Acts is filled with those who were "added" by God.

Did they not hear the gospel? believe, repent and were "baptized into Christ for the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit"?
If not, why not? Peter said, for the PROMISE is to you and to your children and to ALL THAT are a far off as many as the Lord our God shall call" (Acts 2:39).
The Church was a Jewish church for approximately ten years until Peter opened the gate to the Gentiles at Caesarea (Acts 10) and Paul preached to them of the kingdom.
Paul established churches where he went. Both Jew and Gentile were "added" by hearing the gospel.
Not by a miraculous phenomena of Spirit injection!

Paul is quite clear that "there is neither Jew nor Gentile" in his letter to the church at Galatia.  (3:25-29).
He says in 2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore if ANY man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old thing are passed away; behold all things are become new."

A "new creature" has NO connection to the "root of Jacob"! Men are not saved by flesh!
In fact, "genealogies" are forbidden by Paul. (1 Tim. 1:4; Titus 1:14).
Men are saved in the "mind of God" the same place he is lost---- by obeying the Gospel.
Not by tracing his pedigree to Abraham.
There is not a "Messianic Jew" on the face of the earth who could trace his pedigree back to Abraham.
If he/she is not "in Christ" they are NOT a "new creature."
A monkey in a silk suite---- is still a monkey!







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Re: Zionism/American Policy
« Reply #10 on: Sun Apr 17, 2011 - 12:10:20 »
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The Jew refused to believe, so God cast them off!
Yet, you hang on to the dispensational premillennial school of eschatology that the New Testament answers to the Old, that modern day Jews
are the people of God first---the church second, and that modern Israel anticipates a thousand year Jewish world empire with Jesus on a Jerusalem throne.

I agree with Paul:

Romans 11:1 I ask then, did God reject his people? May it never be! For I also am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

As to Jesus setting foot on the Mount of Olives, and the mountain splitting, are you saying God's speaking through his prophet Zecharia was mistaken? Why repeat it in the 2nd testament? It is NOT the New Testament as the main text and the entire old testament as a several hundred page preface to the real story. It is ALL one and the same story. The New Testament is not a stand alone story, it is a continuation or culmination of the Old Testament story. In fact, I contend as do many others, we can't understand the NT without a working knowledge of the OT. When I graduated from high school, my hometown church did me a huge disservice and handed me a New Testament. That would be like handing someone pages 301 to the end of a Grisham novel and saying, "the first 300 pages are of no importance, all you need to understand the story is pages 301 to the end. "The Bible is a Jewish book written by Jews about Jews to Jews. It would behoove us to understand historical context and societal idioms of the time to get everything intended. Sure i understand the "church" from the 2nd Century on tried to esponge and sanitize the Bible of any Jewish influence, that is a fact of history. That is why I am pursuing studying the Jewish Roots of Christianity. Not to become a Jewish Proselyte, but to better understand my Jesus who was a Jewish Rabbi with Jewish Talmidim or disciples. He taught in a distinctive Rabbinic style, He ONLY quoted the Old Testament, He knew the Torah and he knew it well. He did not do away with the Law. He filled it up. He more perfectly interpretted it. His "yoke" or Torah interpretation was easy, he said. It didn't have all the burden that the Pharisees et al had added to it. He didn't break the Sabbath, he told the rulers at the time how God intended it to be kept, not as a burdensome stone around the neck but a blessing. If your ox falls in the ditch on the Sabbath, for goodness sake, get him out! The Sabbath was not intended as a burden, it morphed into that with man's help.

I don't believe every Jew that has ever lived will be saved. But I do believe that many Jews will come to Christ and be grafted back on.

Yes, we ARE grafted onto the Root of Israel, or Jacob. That is undeniable if you read Romans 11. That root is the one story begun in Genesis and finishes up in Revelation. It's not a sad story of God's mistake vs the real deal. It is All God's redemption story. God didn't dig up and discard his olive tree. He GRAFTED onto it. CLEARLY. The OT shadow of Joseph's Egyptian sons Ephraim and Mannasseh being "grafted in" to Jacob's family. Jesus is a picture of Messiah, the other 10 brothers are the house of Israel, and late comer Benjamin is a picure of the Messianic Jews. And of as I stated, Ephraim and Mannasseh are a picture of the Gentiles being grafted in to God's family.

God will miraculously bring many Jews to Christ when the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. Like Sir Isaac Newton says, "I know not the manner this happens, but let time be the interpretor.

Are there Jews of the past and living today going to hell? Most definitely. I can't explain Paul's statement in Romans 11 that ALL Israel will be saved. If one equates the word "Israel" with the people of God, then maybe the better translation would have been all who are saved will be Israel (the people of God).

God has not rejected the Jews as Paul clearly says. God offers them the same opportunity to be grafted on as he does to Gentiles. He presumably will remove the blinders that were in place up until that time, as described also in Romans 11.

I have never said every Jew in present day Israel is a man after God's heart. I have said, God has not rejected his people in toto, as Paul says also. Blessing a remnant of a stiff necked rebellious people with salvation is NOT rejecting them. If a remnant were not preserved, THEN it could be said God rejected them.

To the muslims defense, I do believe that God will appropriate a miraculous "coming to Jesus" event if you will for them also. I believe God will smite many of the muslim nations that come against Israel in the end, but he spares 1/6 of them to go back and witness to the rest, that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the one true God, and not the same as Allah.
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« Reply #11 on: Mon Apr 18, 2011 - 10:55:22 »
Wow! Jamie!
Wonder if Mel Gibson would make a movie of that. He did such a wonderful job with the "Passion of Christ."
Had everyone crying in their popcorn....

Mel could probable round up all the Jews and get them to "return" to  the "Promise Land."
Not sure Mel could move all those Jews from Miam Beach...they seem to love the climate.
Think of the air fare...makes you want to buy stock in Delta.

You know your Old Testament better than I, but didn't God inform the Jew that they must obey and follow all
His commandments before He would set them high above all the nations of the earth" (Deut. 28:1)?

Noting in Deuteronomy:  "But it shall come about, IF you will not obey the Lord your God, to observe to do ALL His commandments and His statutes which God charged them with, then all the curses He promised them would be inflicted. Those Jews in Miami have been "inflicted."
Many have lost their beach homes due to the echonomy!

When reading the last 54 verses of Deuteromonoy 28
I find the curses which God will inflict upon the Jew for not obeying is reason enough to stay in Miami Beach, New York, Chicago and Paducah, Kentucky!
I know for sure there are a few Jews in Paducah that have not "Obeyed ALL His commandments." I have seen a couple eat a ham sandwich.

The Jews lost the Promise Land through their own disobedience so says the OT
If Mel could get the son's of Abraham to repent and obey; and all to return...what a movie!!
And then......"the Rapture" as a sequel.....Makes your hair stand on end don't it?

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« Reply #12 on: Mon Apr 18, 2011 - 12:49:59 »
Wow! Jamie!
Wonder if Mel Gibson would make a movie of that. He did such a wonderful job with the "Passion of Christ."
Had everyone crying in their popcorn....

Mel could probable round up all the Jews and get them to "return" to  the "Promise Land."
Not sure Mel could move all those Jews from Miam Beach...they seem to love the climate.
Think of the air fare...makes you want to buy stock in Delta.

You know your Old Testament better than I, but didn't God inform the Jew that they must obey and follow all
His commandments before He would set them high above all the nations of the earth" (Deut. 28:1)?

Noting in Deuteronomy:  "But it shall come about, IF you will not obey the Lord your God, to observe to do ALL His commandments and His statutes which God charged them with, then all the curses He promised them would be inflicted. Those Jews in Miami have been "inflicted."
Many have lost their beach homes due to the echonomy!

When reading the last 54 verses of Deuteromonoy 28
I find the curses which God will inflict upon the Jew for not obeying is reason enough to stay in Miami Beach, New York, Chicago and Paducah, Kentucky!
I know for sure there are a few Jews in Paducah that have not "Obeyed ALL His commandments." I have seen a couple eat a ham sandwich.

The Jews lost the Promise Land through their own disobedience so says the OT
If Mel could get the son's of Abraham to repent and obey; and all to return...what a movie!!
And then......"the Rapture" as a sequel.....Makes your hair stand on end don't it?

I'm not disagreeing with what you have said, BUT God still has a plan for the natural branches that were broken off.

Growing up in the church of Christ in W. Texas, anti-Semitism was prevalent and acceptable. also I never encountered Romans chapter 11 until probably 5 years ago. When I read it, I thought to myself, "Why have I not ever seen this.

I sincerely believe that God will miraculously bring thousands if not millions of stiff necked Jews to Christ. Also, if you study all the wars between the Arabs and Israeli's since 1948, there had to have been God's hand involved, and I believe it was. A totally worthless patch of ground over there that has blossomed into the food supply house for Europe. Not because the Jews are smarter or more worthy, but because God has chosen to bless them. Not because they deserve it. They never did deserve God's favor from Mt. Sinai on, but because of HIS plan.

As to the airfare thing, I do believe there will be a time soon when Israel will be the only safe place for a Jew, and a massive Aliyah or return to the Land will occur. ALL nations will be coming against Israel. America has been friendly to Israel and should have been for strategic reasons, not "Zionic" reasons, but that is quickly changing. 


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« Reply #13 on: Mon Apr 18, 2011 - 18:17:17 »
Uh... the Palestinians are actually a complete mixture of races.  The Arabs don't like them because they aren't quite Arab.  They are genetically most similar to the Iranians and Iraqis.

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« Reply #14 on: Mon Apr 18, 2011 - 20:30:42 »
They are more like Arabs than they are like Iaraeli Jews. They are not closer to Persians (Iranians). They are descendants of Edom (Ishmael) and
Amalek, a spawn from the intermarriage of Ishmael and Esau's family and sworn enemies of the Iaraelites.

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Re: Zionism/American Policy
« Reply #15 on: Tue Apr 19, 2011 - 01:20:35 »
"...Judaism is a religion; but Zionism is a political movement started mainly by East European  (Ashkenazi) Jews who for centuries have been the main force behind communism/socialism. The ultimate goal of the Zionists is one-world government under the control of the Zionists and the Zionist-oriented Jewish international bankers.  ― Jack Bernstein

In Germany, the average Jews were victims of the Zionist elite who worked hand in hand with the Nazis. Many of those same Zionist Jews who, in Germany, had worked with the Nazis, came to Israel and joined hands with the Zionist/Communist Jews from Poland and Russia. It is the two faces of communism and Nazi-style fascism that rule Israel. Democracy is merely an illusion."  ― Jack Bernstein



Introduction
Jack Bernstein

Before Israel became a state in 1948, Jews worldwide were filled with Zionist propaganda that Israel would be a homeland for all Jews, a refuge for persecuted Jews, a democratic country and the fulfillment of biblical prophecy.

I am an Ashkenazi Jew who spent the first 25 years of my life in the United States, the country that has given ALL Jews freedom and the opportunity to prosper -- and prosper we Jews did, to the point that one portion of the Jews (the Zionists) have gained a position of political and economic dominance in the U.S.

To fully understand the story I am about to tell, it is important that you understand what Zionism really is. Zionist propaganda has led the American people to believe that Zionism and Judaism are one and the same and that they are religious in nature. This is a blatant lie.

Judaism is a religion; but Zionism is a political movement started mainly by East European (Ashkenazi) Jews who for centuries have been the main force behind communism/socialism. The ultimate goal of the Zionists is one-world government under the control of the Zionists and the Zionist-oriented Jewish international bankers.  Communism/socialism are merely tools to help them accomplish their goal.

Entire article can be found at the below link

http://www.biblestudysite.com/markis.htm





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Re: Zionism/American Policy
« Reply #16 on: Tue Apr 19, 2011 - 06:31:19 »
BS. Islam is the fascist entity.

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Re: Zionism/American Policy
« Reply #17 on: Tue Apr 19, 2011 - 10:43:42 »
in2the light:"...Judaism is a religion; but Zionism is a political movement started mainly by East European  (Ashkenazi) Jews who for centuries have been the main force behind communism/socialism. The ultimate goal of the Zionists is one-world government under the control of the Zionists and the Zionist-oriented Jewish international bankers.  ― Jack Bernstein

In Germany, the average Jews were victims of the Zionist elite who worked hand in hand with the Nazis. Many of those same Zionist Jews who, in Germany, had worked with the Nazis, came to Israel and joined hands with the Zionist/Communist Jews from Poland and Russia. It is the two faces of communism and Nazi-style fascism that rule Israel. Democracy is merely an illusion."  ― Jack Bernstein

Thanks for the information on Jack Bernstein.

I became interested in the study of Zionism when Johnathon Pollard (Israeli agent) was caught stealing and transferring U.S. classified information to Israel.
You will never read or hear from the U.S. news that China bought the secret prints of our AWAC plane from Israel.
Israel has used America to support their Zionist program through the dual citizenship of American Jews.
We are a broke nation and yet Israel will cling on and suck the very life out of us like a tick on a coon dog!.

Ask a "Jew" who holds dual citizenship in this country where their allegiance stands?
"Israel first" is their answer. Dual loyalty is inherent in Zionism.
We are now on three fronts in battle with the Arab world over our "blank check" policy with Zionism.

I got tired of hearing: "if you are against Israel you are anti-semitic." When you dig into the subject you find that Semites are not against Semites.
Rather, the Semitical Arabs are at odds with the Zionist Jews who continue to espouse their "right to conquest" and a "national homeland"
as embodied in the Zionist Manifesto of 1897.

By the occupation of Palestine by the political Zionists the world teeters on the brink of the sponsorship of a religious war.
The Arabs, the entire world of Islam is beginning to speak of the conflict in terms of "Jihaad" or holy war.

There are so called "Christian organizations" in America with leaders like John Hagee, Pat Robinson, Hal Lindsey and a host of lessor lights who fuel the flame by sending millions of dollars to Israel. 
"If you don't support Israel you are against God" is their battle cry!

Yet, the Israeli administration has sponsored strict anticonversion legislation designed to restrain Christian groups and prohibit missionary activity.
You will not find Hagee, Robinson, or Lindsey handing out a Christian tract on the streets of Jerusalem!
Behind their backs the Zionist make fun of their premillenial eschatological program for the Jew.
"But, don't let that stand in the way of your dollar flow Christian; bring it on!"

The attitude of Zionism toward Christianity is expressed by Israel Zangwell:
Beware of the Goymin (Gentiles), his elders told Jacob,
They are Goyim, foes of the faith.
Beings of darkness, drunkwards and bullies,
Swift with the fists or the bludgeon.
Many in species, but all engendered of God for our sins.
And many and strange their idolatries.
But the worst of the Goyim are the creatures called Christians.



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Re: Zionism/American Policy
« Reply #18 on: Tue Apr 19, 2011 - 11:21:54 »
There are many many more reasons to be anti Arab than to be anti Israeli. We have Christian haters here in this country, some in positions of power.

Arafat could have easily had peace with Israel especially during the Clinton administration. He didn't want peace. Peace with Israel scared the crap out of him and he bolted when he was offered virtually everything he asked for.

Israel never has had a partner for peace in the Palestinians. It hasn't happened and it ain't gonna happen.

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