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« on: November 05, 2009, 12:57:06 PM »

we have a 28 yr old daughter who is living with her bf. she has lived with numerous bf's and considers herself a christian. previously we have tried to have relationships with the bf's, but the relationships break up then our daughter tries to walk with the Lord, then gets right back into another relationship. its a cycle of sin and counseling. so far this has cost  us  thousands of dollars and right now we are help to raise her daughter. our younger daughter has legal custody.  yes we've talked to her about sin and true repentance to no avail. my question is should we try to have a relationship with this bf? my husband is adamant that we do not, however, my mother and my brother have both met him and he has been to their houses. he is divorced with 3 children. we are fasting and praying for them all, but the holidays are coming up and we have 3 other little ones with us, so do we allow this influence in our home?  my husband is very reserved about his relationship with God and does not want to witness to this man. i'd appreciate any help.
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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2009, 03:27:34 PM »

 I say, as long as they are not cohabiting ( sleeping together in same bed) in your home. keep the connection going between you daughter, and you. I think, I would stop telling her about her sinful choices she knows, and it always ends in destruction. I would not be an enabler as far as baling her out financially. Choices have consequences, and you are taking on her consequences. Maybe things will workout this time, we tend to write the ending to our own story. I wonder if showing Christian love to a sinner man, maybe it would effect him more than any words your husband could say.
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2009, 07:34:52 PM »

scripture says in very, very plain language that we are to have absolutely nothing to do with one who calls themselves a brother/sister in Christ but continues to live in sin.  Don't even eat with them!  Consider them unsaved, and witness to them, to the extent that they are willing to hear and have godly sorrow which leads to repentance -- and NOT the repentance of Esau, either!  Pretty straightforward by the Word, I think.  As Paul says, even weeping, that they are an enemy of the cross of Christ, although they profess to know Him.  After the first and second admonission, scripture says to forsake them.  Do it, for your sake, for her sake, for the body of Christ's sake, for His Name's sake, and for righteousness' sake.  The Word is light and life only to those who follow it's injunctions from the heart.  They are a light unto your path, only if you use the light for how to walk by.  Ignore the light, and you ignore the path.  Flee this.
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2009, 08:01:36 PM »

 Son love ya, but here we go again taking the word out of context. The passage was talking about people within the church. We may reffer to the prodigal son, when asking dealing with this situation.
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2009, 09:08:56 PM »

Son love ya, but here we go again taking the word out of context. The passage was talking about people within the church. We may reffer to the prodigal son, when asking dealing with this situation.

I might be wrong, but I think it states "those who are called a brother".  If the person calls themself one, then what?
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »

(1Co 5:9)  I wrote to you in the letter not to associate intimately with fornicators;

(1Co 5:10)  yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then you must go out of the world.

(1Co 5:11)  But now I have written to you not to associate intimately, if any man called a brother and is either a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one not to eat.

(1Co 5:12)  For what is it to me to also judge those who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside?

(1Co 5:13)  But God judges those who are outside. Therefore put out from you the evil one.

This passage is speaking of one who is called a brother/sister.  In the OP, that is the stated case.


(Tit 3:10)  After the first and second warning, reject a man of heresy,

(Tit 3:11)  knowing that he who is such has been perverted, and sins, being self-condemned.

This passage doesn't even qualify that it is speaking of those called a brother/sister, does it?  In context, it can be taken to be in regard to the unsaved that don't profess to know Christ.  "Making a distinction" is applicable here, too.  And what Christ said about if they don't receive the Word, then go to those who will: go to where the harvest is ripe -- quite trying to harvest where it is yet green.  By their fruits you will know them, etc..  There is much Word that is applicable to the situation of the OP.

Looking at the passages that those are within, I don't see that applying them to this situation is taking them out of context at all.  Could you support your position on that, please?  Thanks.
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2009, 11:48:57 PM »

Son it states clearly God judges the unbelievers. In fellowship, of the body the Lord is warning people to stay away from those in the body. eating was very important especially in fellowship in biblical days. Jesus, hung around with sinners, for it was the sick who needed a doctor not the well.
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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2009, 06:23:51 PM »

And she claims to be a believer. 

If you ask L2, if a person professes to be saved, then they are saved no matter what: no matter if they remain in flagrant, willful sin for the rest of their lives, murdering and raping: they prefessed to know Christ, therefore they do.  So by his standard, this gal is definitely saved.  And as such, she should be treated accordingly, no?
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2009, 10:48:14 AM »

thanks for the input. i just wanted to clarify a couple of things. we do have a relationship with our daughter, we try very hard to keep the line of communication open. we don't get into the sin thing with her, because we've been there and done that. she knows the word and to keep pointing it out is fruitless. we also don't help her financially any more...again fruitless.  its just so hard to have a relationship with someone who insists on living in sin and someone who lies constantly. the guy she is with claims to be a christian too. i think all we can do right now is to pray for God to open her  eyes and to help her to want to walk in truth. we are also praying for this guy the same thing. again thanks for the input i really appreciate it.
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2009, 02:15:34 PM »

thanks for the input. i just wanted to clarify a couple of things. we do have a relationship with our daughter, we try very hard to keep the line of communication open. we don't get into the sin thing with her, because we've been there and done that. she knows the word and to keep pointing it out is fruitless. we also don't help her financially any more...again fruitless.  its just so hard to have a relationship with someone who insists on living in sin and someone who lies constantly. the guy she is with claims to be a christian too. i think all we can do right now is to pray for God to open her  eyes and to help her to want to walk in truth. we are also praying for this guy the same thing. again thanks for the input i really appreciate it.


You are welcome,  I guess it comes down to what you feel is right to do. They are not Christians, they say they have faith, but do not follow Jesus. I  guess love never fails, though I can understand your frustration, it must also break your heart.
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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2009, 11:15:25 AM »

I think that you need to love them, pray for them, and do all that you can to show them Christs love. They know how you feel, so now its up to her how she lives but never give up on her or on her new man. God can do amazing things in our childrens lives. He has done so in my childrens lives, Trust him. She is your child. When we have children we are to love them unconditionally just as God does with us. We are not to reject them just becuase they arent doing what WE want.(I know that you arent doing this by the way) Smile

I have always welcomed any of my childrens boyfriends/girlfriends no matter what I thought of them.They are still human beings,and God still wanted to reach them no matter what.  I prayed for them, treated them with kindness and respect, and hoped that some of Christs love reached them. They probably had no one else to pray for them. They probably didnt know any other Christians.
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