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Re: "Caught In The Act"
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2007, 12:02:22 PM »
My point of originality was meant to encourage the study and use of others ideas and thoughts that may have already worded what you wanted to said in ways that you wished you could have said it.    When Paul's letters were passed around, there may or may not have been an interpreter or expounder available, but it was the message that was most important, not so much who was giving it.  I had no idea that the idea of Video or DVD message of a human as opposed to a paid human standing in the pulpit would be brought up.   Of course to plagiarize is sinful.   Of course the man does more than preach the word.  What would happen if a video preacher with an obvious gift was utilized in place of a paid preacher, leaving a supported man to evangelize, share bible study in other capacities, minister to the flock?  Would less praise and worship or spiritual growth be present?  Would this really be the elders and deacons "responsibility"?  I did not mean anything offensive by my comments about reinventing the wheel.   As a veterinarian, I frequently am confronted, to my face, ranging from the insensitive to the hostile, with comments about medicines and services that the public can purchase on line or utilize at a farm store, leaving me literally demeaned and feeling useless... as long as I see my role as THE only source of veterinary care for animals.

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Re: "Caught In The Act"
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Re: "Caught In The Act"
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2007, 01:03:13 PM »
Well, for the client that wants a well-rounded, whole-picture, comprehensive sort of health care for their beloved pet, I think there will always be a need for a vet!

I will buy my own vaccination materials and medicines, sometimes, because it's a choice between that or no care at all.  Money's tight.

Maybe it's tied into what a congregation wants, then?  Do they feel that the group as a whole is tied up with aging relatives or health problems or impossible business schedules, and they really feel they need... a point man!  A coordinator?  It's not a bad thing, the money spent on a competent preacher, considering the rearranging of life that would have to go on for those in the pews to take over all his duties.

Where do we walk the line between a preacher being a gift from God... and a crutch that allows us to get away with shoving our Christian joys and duties off on him to do?

Then you top off those wonderings with the occasional guy who can't be bothered to preach his own preachings.  Even simply using others' work as an outline would be OK, if he actually preached.
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Re: "Caught In The Act"
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2007, 01:03:13 PM »

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Re: "Caught In The Act"
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2007, 11:45:02 AM »
You see, that's really strange to me. I cannot imagine a day without spelling pus at least half a dozen times.

Usually it's either a letter to the editor or to the elders, and the words "bucket" or "bag" are in there somewhere along with a question about somebody's ancestry.
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Just as a point of interest, I like receiving such letters. They make me laugh, and cry. Both emotional extremes are good for the soul.  ::smile::

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Re: "Caught In The Act"
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2007, 12:01:37 AM »
I don't care where my minister got his sermon. But I expect truth to be ALL THROUGH IT.
When a story is being told and it is given as truth and I suspect it is not, I am bothered with it. I ask myself to question or doubt other stuff that comes from this person.

Use a parable. Don't give us this great story that your brother went through his whole dating time and courtship with his girlfriend and never kissed anyone until they were given permission by the preacher that just married them, if it's not true!!

If one chooses to take an already complete sermon, mention it. Just like when people here copy and paste other's works form other places. Big deal. Just be honest.

I think spurly spends way more time than his congregation would ever expect him to. I know his heart well enough to know he wants them to receive God's truth. He wants to be able to answer questions people might have. He wants to be prepared and well equipped. I admire that about him. I'm sure he's not the only minister to be this way, but he's the only one I personally know.

I also have a problem with a preacher coming in and giving a sermon that they travel around with, IF they refer to anything as if it just happened or they just realized something (if this is in every sermon they preach along the way). Instead, tell us where this thought, or whatever, came from and when. Don't act like this is a new sermon. Tell us up front you travel with it.

Did that make any sense? Oh well, maybe this is one reason why I never got called to do anything but "come" to the altar. 

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Re: "Caught In The Act"
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Re: "Caught In The Act"
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2007, 12:08:53 AM »
I forgot to mention my original thought. I'd rather have a spiritually energized minister preaching someone else's sermon on Sunday morning (telling us this, though) than a spiritually drained minister giving us more than he can possibly continue to do.

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Re: "Caught In The Act"
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2007, 09:06:35 AM »
That's the way it should be. I don't care if a preacher preaches somebody else's sermon, just as long as he does it with integrity. The only way to do that is to properly give credit.

msbradley has it right.

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