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Offline sajang

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God is not His Name...
« on: Tue Oct 12, 2021 - 18:04:48 »
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I’d like to be saved & delivered! What name must I call upon? God is not His Name !!!
I believe we take His Name in “VAIN” when we knowingly and willingly replace his name, in proper context, with the general and meaningless title of LORD, God, Adonai, HaShem, or any other names.
What is His name? 
Psalm 83:18  May they know that You alone-- whose name is Yahweh-- are the Most High over all the earth.
The KNOWLEDGE and USE of the Father's Name is clearly in the context of Scripture as John and Revelation shows us.
He is making His Name known to those who seek Him. (Jer. 16:21) We must KNOW IT and USE IT, it is our DESTINY!

Malachi 2:1  And now, O priests, this command is for you.
Malachi 2:2  Listen to me and make up your minds to honor my Name," says Father Yahweh of Heaven's Armies, "or I will bring a terrible curse against you. I will curse even the blessings you receive. Indeed, I have already cursed them, because you have not taken my warning to heart.   This are some SERIOUS and strong words.
Deuteronomy 12:32   "So be careful to obey all the commands I give you. You must not add anything to them or subtract anything from them.
Exodus 34:14  You must worship no other gods, for the LORD, whose very name is Jealous, is a God who is jealous about his relationship with you.
Psalm 16:4  and  1 Chronicles 17:21 and John 12:28 and 17;11-6-26
Psalm 79:6  Pour out your wrath on the nations that refuse to acknowledge you--on kingdoms that do not call upon your name.

Exodus 23:13   “Pay attention to all that I have said to you, and make no mention of the names of other gods, nor let it be heard on your lips.

Joel 2:32 and Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13
But everyone who calls on the name of Yahweh will be saved, for some on Mount Zion in Jerusalem will escape, just as the LORD has said. These will be among the survivors whom the LORD has called.

Can the Father be any more clear?

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Re: God is not His Name...
« Reply #1 on: Wed Oct 13, 2021 - 05:26:25 »
I’d like to be saved & delivered! What name must I call upon? God is not His Name !!!............................................ Malachi 2:2  Listen to me and make up your minds to honor my Name," says Father Yahweh of Heaven's Armies, "or I will bring a terrible curse against you. I will curse even the blessings you receive. Indeed, I have already cursed them, because you have not taken my warning to heart.   This are some SERIOUS and strong words.
I'll not, for now, go into your god named Yahweh, but for now, will only say a few things.

Concerning the God of the scriptures~God is His TITLE...... Jehovah is his name! We have a thread already dealing with this one subject in much detail, can find it if you want to consider this more in-depth. http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/the-yahweh-name/

Our God’s name is Jehovah, I AM THAT I AM (Exodus 3:14; 6:3; Psalms 83:18). We are not Jehovah’s Witnesses, the brainwashed followers of Charles Taze Russell and Judge Rutherford. It is a shame so many Christians do not know the name of their God and His Son Jesus, (just as you do not) whose exalted name means Jehovah is salvation (Matthew 1:21). It is a shame they think God is His name, when it is rather one of His titles.

But do we truly know the God of the Bible? Even if we know His name is Jehovah? Do we know He created all things for Himself, even the wicked for the day of evil (Proverbs 16:4)? Do we know He blinds men with strong delusion every day as He did at Babel (2nd Thess 2:9-13)? Do we know He elected and predestinated some men to be His sons, and He sent His Son to die for them and ONLY for them( John 17; Romans 8:28-33)?

What Is God?:
Nature itself provides ample evidence of a Supreme Being (Psalms 19:1-6; Romans 1:19-20). Those who deny the existence of God are fools (Psalms 14:1), choosing to believe an explosion of nothing generated life, planets, and elements. If God is only half what the word implies, this topic deserves your greatest attention.

What Is God’s Name?:
The existence of God is easily known by creation, but in which God should we believe? He revealed Himself to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as the one and only Almighty God (Genesis 17:1; 28:3), and He inspired the world’s greatest book for us to know Him fully.

There Is Only One God:
The God of the Bible is Jehovah. He revealed Himself more fully to Moses as I AM THAT I AM. No other god has a name like that! He is eternally and infinitely independent of all other beings and creatures. He alone is the supreme Being.

God reveals Himself as a Trinity:
The one God of the Bible exists in three Persons. The Bible declares “there are three … and these three are one”.  You do not need to fully understand the nature of God. Man can hardly understand his own nature, let alone an eternal, omnipresent God. He has revealed this fascinating aspect of Himself and expects us to believe.
Quote from: sajang on: Yesterday at 18:04:48
Father Yahweh
That's NO WHERE in the scriptures!  ::reading:: no, "NOT" there.
« Last Edit: Wed Oct 13, 2021 - 05:32:09 by RB »

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Re: God is not His Name...
« Reply #2 on: Wed Oct 13, 2021 - 08:09:11 »
That's NO WHERE in the scriptures!  ::reading::  no, "NOT" there.



I found it in a few obscure versions, but I agree, His name is not as important as His title. Glory to God!

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Re: God is not His Name...
« Reply #3 on: Mon Jan 23, 2023 - 06:23:05 »
Neither "Yahweh" or "Jehovah" are His personal Name.  There are linguistic reasons for that being true. 

"Jehovah" 
First off, there is no "J" sound in biblical Hebrew.  In fact the J sound was invented by the Arabic speaking people in the middle east around 1000 ad.  Prior to that, it was not used anywhere in the world by any language.
Secondly, that word was a misguided attempt to figure out how the Hebrew letters Yud Hay Vav Hay (the spelling of His REAL name) were pronounced.  BUT - in the vowel pointed Hebrew Masoretic text, that Name uses the vowel points of the word Adonai -  "My Lord" - to remind the reader to NOT try to pronounce the 4 letter Name of God.

"Yahweh"
Again we run into a sound that did not exist in biblical Hebrew: the W sound.  There are some places in the OT where "Yah" is used and that seems to be correct pronunciation. 

Example: Hallelu-Yah

But since there is no W sound, the rest cannot be correct. 

I am not sure that we should even try to figure it out.  Titles and names were not as separated in the ancient world as they are today.  But there are still examples of "name" being used in other ways than indicating a personal name:

Stop in the NAME of the Law!

In the NAME of justice ....


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Re: God is not His Name...
« Reply #4 on: Mon Jan 23, 2023 - 06:44:44 »
What IS the correct pronunciation of His name Dave? The Jews knew what it was in Hebrew and avoided pronouncing it. There are people today that claim they know because of vowel pointers in the Tetragrammaton YHVH. I am not knowledgeable enough in Hebrew to have an opinion. 

If it makes you uncomfortable to write or type out the pronunciation, maybe you could reveal some clues to what you believe it to be BECAUSE………… this is a very interesting topic to me. It may not be to others though.

My assumption is that the avoidance of using his name was a “fence” built around the command of Exodus 20:7 of not using the Lord’s name in vain. In our Western culture we have taken that to mean G.. D… is taking the LORD’s name in vane.  i don’t think that is the intent because God’s name is not used to take in vain or not in that phrase. It isn’t an advisable phrase, but taking his name in vain? It may be considered a curse of God as in “God be damned”. But taking thenLord’s name invain? I would say the intent of the Exodus 7 command was WAY more than what we have made it.
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Re: God is not His Name...
« Reply #5 on: Mon Jan 23, 2023 - 13:47:56 »
"Jehovah" 
First off, there is no "J" sound in biblical Hebrew.  In fact the J sound was invented by the Arabic speaking people in the middle east around 1000 ad.  Prior to that, it was not used anywhere in the world by any language.
J was pronounced as I in English for a long long time (it still is in most languages descended from Old German and Old Norse).  It isn't anymore.  At the time of translation, it was correct and people would have read the correct sound.  ::shrug::

Secondly, that word was a misguided attempt to figure out how the Hebrew letters Yud Hay Vav Hay (the spelling of His REAL name) were pronounced.  BUT - in the vowel pointed Hebrew Masoretic text, that Name uses the vowel points of the word Adonai -  "My Lord" - to remind the reader to NOT try to pronounce the 4 letter Name of God.
The vowel points in the Masoretic text are basically a non-sanctioned and anti-Christian commentary on the Bible.  Please disregard them, with prejudice.

"Yahweh"
Again we run into a sound that did not exist in biblical Hebrew: the W sound.  There are some places in the OT where "Yah" is used and that seems to be correct pronunciation. 

Example: Hallelu-Yah

But since there is no W sound, the rest cannot be correct.
W was pronounced as V in English in the past (and again it still is in most languages descended from Old German and Old Norse).  It isn't anymore.  At the time of translation, it was correct and people would have read the correct sound.  ::shrug::

Also, your'e just wrong.  Vav/Waw often makes the same sound as Greek Omega.  The Omega was borrowed into Greek from Phoenician, which is basically the same language as Hebrew.

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Re: God is not His Name...
« Reply #6 on: Mon Jan 23, 2023 - 13:54:48 »
What IS the correct pronunciation of His name Dave? The Jews knew what it was in Hebrew and avoided pronouncing it.
Maybe they did early on, but it was lost somewhere.  Supposedly the High Priest was given supernatural ability to properly say it on Yom Kippur but only behind the veil.

My guess would be that it was pronounced similar to the closest spelled name of Judah.  Yud Hay Vav Dalet Hay. One letter different. That is pronounced Ya hoo dah.   IF you drop the D sound you get Ya hoo ah

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« Reply #7 on: Mon Jan 23, 2023 - 18:12:16 »
My guess would be that it was pronounced similar to the closest spelled name of Judah.  Yud Hay Vav Dalet Hay. One letter different. That is pronounced Ya hoo dah.   IF you drop the D sound you get Ya hoo ah.

My guess would be Ye-hay-yay.  Evidence seems to indicate that Hay was much more about the AY sound than the aspiration (h) earlier on.

But we truly don't know.

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Re: God is not His Name...
« Reply #8 on: Tue Jan 24, 2023 - 04:04:57 »
I think the LXX, the translation of the Old Testament by the Hebrews into Greek in about the third or second century BC, routinely interprets YHVH as the Greek word kurios which in English is Lord.

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« Reply #9 on: Tue Jan 24, 2023 - 10:00:13 »
In a bunch of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which are written in a Hebrew script, God's name is instead written in older pictographic symbols.  ::smile::

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« Reply #10 on: Wed Jan 25, 2023 - 08:09:37 »
I think the LXX, the translation of the Old Testament by the Hebrews into Greek in about the third or second century BC, routinely interprets YHVH as the Greek word kurios which in English is Lord.
Which follows the ancient Jewish tradition of saying Adonai (LORD) when reading the 4 letter proper Name of God.

 

     
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