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Re: Scriptures rarely spoken on.
« Reply #70 on: Thu Mar 01, 2012 - 09:50:31 »


Note: Long and not well unedited I'm afraid. So you'll need to take deep breaths and keep your bearings in some places; so as not to get lost in the labyrinth of my run-on thoughts.  

Now to Bitter Sweet. Hi, Bitter Sweet, you said:

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Wow, P.Progress! Someone we can trust to obey and submit to. Thank you for going where most think it's too dark to go, of course only light can shine in darkness.

I'm sorry, it is a little hard for me to tell if you are sincerely appreciating (saying, "Amen!" to) what I related above; or if you are being somewhat sarcastic or facetious. I am not completely certain either way. In my experience, I have had to endure some caustic individuals, but among whom there were a few rather subtle in their biting 'wit'. Yet what you said really didn't strike me that way, or quite fit that category. So in love (and due to lack of clarity either way) I choose to accept this in the former manner. Thus to "believe all things" and "hope all things", I'll say thank you and comment accordingly.

I mean it with all sincerity and I can't wait to read what you wrote next. You are by far one of the best on this board that we can all learn from.

It wasn't until I put all the churchianity aside that God revealed himself to me in full force. And continues to do so through the words of others such as yourself.

Off to read the rest of God's words you wrote.

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Re: Scriptures rarely spoken on.
« Reply #71 on: Thu Mar 01, 2012 - 10:00:32 »
I return though to your statements:
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Wow, P.Progress! Someone we can trust to obey and submit to. Thank you for going where most think it's too dark to go, of course only light can shine in darkness.
[Emphasis mine]


I said to this: "Yes, but no as well."

Yes: If you mean by someone we can 'trust':
[1] Brethren who we have proven to be trustworthy, because they have proven themselves worthy of being esteemed (considered or thought) trustworthy in their declarations concerning the scriptures.

[2] Who are as Paul says, "apt to teach", able to "refute the gainsayers" with "sound doctrine". Brethren, who if and when they speak, "they speak as the oracles of God"; not as those who speak their own conjured up private interpretations and opinions; opinions hatched in the imagination of either their own or someone else's "vainly puffed up...fleshly mind".

[3] And whose life reflects those the author of Hebrews says (in 13:7 - not 17 here, but verse 7) to his readers to "Remember [your worthy of esteem] "leaders, who have spoken unto you the word of God" - not men who attempt to indoctrinate you in their own - or their sect's (denomination's) opinions (trying to make them equal to scripture);

[4] "...whose faith follow; considering the end of [their] conversation"- not the fables of men who teach them in poorly mimicked faith ("vain faith" - not 'faith unfeigned'.

If you mean all this and more: Then the answer is: Yes. We can trust such. But only because they have proven themselves worthy of our trust.

Yes and God showed me that in you.



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Re: Scriptures rarely spoken on.
« Reply #72 on: Thu Mar 01, 2012 - 10:08:24 »
Continued:



IN CONCLUSION..almost:

So Bitter Sweet, in light of all the above, when you say:
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Wow, P.Progress! Someone we can trust to obey and submit to. Thank you for going where most think it's too dark to go, of course only light can shine in darkness.

I can say, "Thank you! And your welcome!"


WHAT WAS DESIGNED AND ORDAINED TO BE, IS NOT WHAT WE AT ALL SEE
I hope what I have written here and above, has encouraged you in what the Lord says about these things; and what he has actually long since *freed us all from - the clergy vs laity mentality and system. But what Christ has provide for our mutual edification, unfortunately is seldom ever seen being worked out in practice in the Ekkelsia - the assemblies of the saints.

It is so, so very sad to me that there is nothing I can point to 'out there' that I have been able to say 'Amen' to, with reference to how I understand the Lord has set up his House Rules - how we are to behalf (and function) in the house of God.

I think they are cheaters too.

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I personally love to hear a variety of God's truth as has been revealed or discovered by others in their life experiences. To 'have to listen to' the same brother week after week, month after month and for some year after year.. well it really is not natural or normal Christianity. Oh I know it's 'normal' fare for those who have never experienced anything more; and who have never really applied themselves in the study and discovery of the beauties of searching the scriptures on their own! But once you have 'tasted' and 'seen' that "the Lord is good" in this area; I just cannot fathom those who afterwards want to "turn" back to "the weak and beggarly elements". I am employing a phrase of Paul's here that for me applies to the circumstances.


Well, you have certainly brought a breath of fresh air my way and more water to soak up. In my first language living water means to be literally drenched in it and if you continue, many people will drown in a flood. But not me.  ::smile::


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Re: Scriptures rarely spoken on.
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Re: Scriptures rarely spoken on.
« Reply #73 on: Thu Mar 01, 2012 - 10:20:51 »
Continued:
And another:    
"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,..."

But how can we go on to perfection, if we are being stunted in our growth, by not being 'fed' with "food convenient for me" (applying this phrase to spiritual food here), and not being provided the environment that will best supply the 'nutrients' to allow each of us and all of us to grow up together into a spiritual house!

Oh my goodness, all I can see is Christ walking on water here. I can't even find the words of what I am trying to convey, being above all with him, something along those lines.

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A One-Man-Band Need Not Apply
We need what the early church was accustomed to experiencing on a day to day week to week basis: That of an open fellowship. Where "ye MAY ALL" bring to the 'table', whatever it is that is on your heart and mind, and is in growing measure, being guided by the Spirit of God. So that "all may learn, and all may be comforted" with the edification that is provided by ALL - NOT just dispensed from the mouth and limited experience of just one man...a 'One-Man-Band', so to speak.

And the truth is, there is no way that a 'One-Man-Band' can provide ALL that the Spirit of God would bring, and would have been bringing forth to the whole assembly (over the weeks, months and years) to edify it, IF...IF, every *brother were aware of and were being faithful to exercise their own gifts.

But that requires them being either taught by others or through discovery in their own study of the Word what God says of these things.

It truly is one of the greatest discoveries that mankind can stumble upon. I did it by God's will, not my own.

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But who knows what the healthiest assembles would look and function like if we could be rid of the majority of such men; and the brethren are free to blossom and grow!  

"Let all things be done unto edifying"

[*And in areas not forbidden her, then also even every sister.]

You know, Blossom is my name on another forum and while other Christian message boards were banishing me off, it was there that I did truly bloom and found God with the assistance of a bunch of God fearing Atheists.

There is a hard way and a harder way, I just let God have his way with me.

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Re: Scriptures rarely spoken on.
« Reply #74 on: Thu Mar 01, 2012 - 10:38:28 »
How is there such a thing as 'God fearing athiests?'. They dont believe in God so how can they fear Him?????

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« Reply #75 on: Thu Mar 01, 2012 - 10:43:00 »
My church has a pastor and 3 elders. They are all fantastic godly men and it works so well. Many other members of the church family take part, as is should be, as we are all different parts of the body of Christ. We are meant to meet together with other believers on a regular basis God says.

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« Reply #76 on: Thu Mar 01, 2012 - 12:28:02 »
How is there such a thing as 'God fearing athiests?'. They dont believe in God so how can they fear Him?????

You wouldn't believe me if I told you the truth.

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Re: Scriptures rarely spoken on.
« Reply #77 on: Thu Mar 01, 2012 - 23:28:02 »


Note: Long and not well unedited I'm afraid. So you'll need to take deep breaths and keep your bearings in some places; so as not to get lost in the labyrinth of my run-on thoughts.  

Now to Bitter Sweet. Hi, Bitter Sweet, you said:

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Wow, P.Progress! Someone we can trust to obey and submit to. Thank you for going where most think it's too dark to go, of course only light can shine in darkness.

I'm sorry, it is a little hard for me to tell if you are sincerely appreciating (saying, "Amen!" to) what I related above; or if you are being somewhat sarcastic or facetious. I am not completely certain either way. In my experience, I have had to endure some caustic individuals, but among whom there were a few rather subtle in their biting 'wit'. Yet what you said really didn't strike me that way, or quite fit that category. So in love (and due to lack of clarity either way) I choose to accept this in the former manner. Thus to "believe all things" and "hope all things", I'll say thank you and comment accordingly.

I mean it with all sincerity and I can't wait to read what you wrote next. You are by far one of the best on this board that we can all learn from.

It wasn't until I put all the churchianity aside that God revealed himself to me in full force. And continues to do so through the words of others such as yourself.

Off to read the rest of God's words you wrote.



Oh good sister. How good it is for me to hear that what I've related has been a source of joy and blessing to you; and to know you've been sincerely encouraged, sharing with you what I have gleaned in my personal 'toiling in the sun' (so to speak) in the rich fields of God's bountiful Word.

I hope all these things cause you to understand even more clearly that it is the Lord's desire to both cause us to hunger and thirst for those things, he in turn then is more desirous then we, to satiate our thirsts and hunger.

Late so not to sharp now. But thought I'd relate something here that has been a source of insight and encouragement to me, with respect to cultivating a heart and mind that learns what to ask for - specifically ask for in prayer. What I believe to be 'a recipe of prayer' perhaps. Read what David petitioned God for and I believe he received of his 'petitions' to God (according to these words he said long ago. ("And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him."): "Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law"... ..."Make me to understand the way of thy precepts: so shall I talk of thy wondrous works"... ..."Remove from me the way of lying: and grant me thy law graciously"... ..."With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments"... ..."I will run the way of thy commandments, when thou shalt enlarge my heart"... ..."Turn away mine eyes from beholding vanity; [and] quicken thou me in thy way."... ..."Horror hath taken hold upon me because of the wicked that forsake thy law"... ..."I [am] a companion of all [them] that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts"... ..."Before I was afflicted I went astray: but now have I kept thy word"... ..."Unless thy law [had been] my delights, I should then have perished in mine affliction"... ..."[It is] good for me that I have been afflicted; that I might learn thy statutes"... ..."They that fear thee will be glad when they see me; because I have hoped in thy word"... ..."I know, O LORD, that thy judgments [are] right, and [that] thou in faithfulness hast afflicted me".

Sleep time. Hope you find this little bit of encouragement helpful as well.

I'll try soon to comment further on what you and chosenone have said back and forth.


But for the moment I wish to say that the words "not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together..." has a contextual setting which must be taken fully into consideration, in order to understand what is being exhorted therein.

I have heard parroted too many times, by too many people over the years, how God commands us to (quote) 'go to church'. How can this be, when the Holy Spirit has given to me an answer, a "reason for the hope" that is in me, as to why I do not (quote) 'go to church'. Using that very same parroted passage in Hebrews 10:25.  

P.Progress



P.S.
After I edited the above, I added what was to follow; but instead I just posted it below on next post:


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Re: Scriptures rarely spoken on.
« Reply #78 on: Fri Mar 02, 2012 - 11:02:46 »
From above:

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P.S.
After I edited the above, I added what was to follow; but instead I just posted it below on next post:



THINGS "WRITTEN AFORETIME" FOR VARIOUS REASONS & PURPOSES
Think of the stories leading up to and afterwards, in which God both gave the command to the Israelites to "go in and possess" - literally - "the land" of Canaan - *"the land of milk and honey". What is 'the land' we are to walk across, conquer and possess today? We know it is not literal Israel (Canaan of old). So what is this 'land' for us? In Paul's letter to the saints (believers) in Roman and to those in the city of Corinth, he said something that was similar in nature to them both: What was it he said; and what is some of the insight we can gain from his words? I'll relate the particular statements he made here:

"For whatsoever things were written aforetime, were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.";
"Now these things were [written for and given for] our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted."


A STORY TO PONDER ABOUT A 'TITLE-DEED'
Once and awhile, I meet some people who I think my get something out of a story I came up with, in my effort to help fan whatever flames I think I see in them to try to heighten their appreciate for something they have been given, like a 'Title-Deed' to hold in trust - as I might put it at the first,   such a beautiful opportunity to . provoke them provoke them to accelerate their

But my story is designed to do more than to make them aware of what they have been given. It is designed more so to arouse them, to provoke them, to wake them up ("awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light") to the fact that what it is that they have been given is not merely something that they are to 'hold in trust'...to sock it away (so to speak), lets say, in a 'safety deposit box', 'under their mattress' or some similar place of safety. No, what they have been given them, was given to them to do something with.
    I go on and ask something along the lines of:

Me:    You are a believer?

P [Other person]: Yes.

Me:    As a believer, what is something you would say is important to you to 'own'?

P: A Bible?

Me:  Yes, good.
    And let us just say here, thank the LORD, that IN this country, we are at liberty to both own a copy of the Bible (multitudes of them; study-helps; etc.) and openly carry or discuss what is written in the Bible; and also to freely assemble with, if we have been so blessed as to have found others of like precious faith, to do so with [...presently that is...].

P: Ah. Yes. Very true. Thank God. ['Presently? What does he mean by that?'}

Me:    So what do you do with your Bible, you read it I assume?

P: Oh yes.

Me:   That is good. And what about that: do you read it often? Are you in the habit of doing so?

P: Ahh, yes. But not as often as I should (or 'Several times a week at least'; or 'Yes every day').
     In fact our 'Pastor' just yesterday while holding it (the Bible) up high in the air, spoke about how the Bible is God's Word. He said that it was written by God, that it is eternal, without flaw. And that it contains all that God has to say to man, and all that man needs to know about God. He repeated all this and then passionately asked us (almost yelling at the same time):

''Is this the Word of God?'

Yes', we said.

'Do you/we believe this is the inerrant, infallible Word of God'.

And we all shouted out 'YES!'.
  

   I then may say:

Me:    That is good. But I would have been interested in following up these declarations
with a question.

P: Question? What question?

Me:    I would have reiterated all that he said, asking again myself, each and every person sitting out there, if they 'believed' that every word contained in the 'Bible' was the Word of God, and that they believed them all. Whereupon, I am sure they would answer in the affirmative. But I would then ask them:
 
'But do each of you KNOW every word contained in the Bible?'

    Of course the answer is 'No." No one knows 'every word' in the scriptures...by memory. And even if they did, that does not by any means equate to understanding; no one understands what each and every word, passage, or phrase contained in the scriptures means...let alone much of it. Some are, no doubt though (in comparison), very far, much farther 'down the road' (so to speak) then many others in their knowledge and understanding of many things expressed and taught in the scriptures.
  
    So, as good as it is to 'believe' that every word in the Bible 'is' the Word of God; it is not enough for our personal growth and even our protection from the wiles of the Enemy to merely 'believe' in something we have - really in effect - very little personal knowledge of what it is that we say we believe 'in'; WE must KNOW what it is that we say we believe in. Therefore it is imperative not to merely 'believe' that the Bible is the Word of God; we need to be diligently about the business (our business) of discovering what it says.

'A STORY TO PONDER' CONTINUED
I go on to ask:

Me:   Can I tell you a story?

P: Ah, sure, what is it about?

Me:   Let me just say it, and you'll see in a moment I think, what I'll be attempting to to convey by it.

I tell of a person sitting home watching TV, or on the computer (modified to include this, since the explosion of the use of the Web); who one day hears a knock at the door. They open it and there stands a fellow telling them how they were there to deliver to them what had been left to them, by a distant relative after their death. That in their will (last will and testament), they had willed to them and so they have inherited a great parcel of land: one thousand, one thousand acres of land (1000's of 1000's of acres). And upon this they hold out the documents containing and describing all that was left to them.

   Now, the one thing that this particular person did right, was to extend his own arm and hand and accept the title deed (papers) offered to him. Without accepting them (receiving them), this fellow would not and could not really own them. But is 'owning' the same as 'possessing' what is given to you?  

    But think now of four different people being given the same title deed; but each one responding in differing degrees to what they have accepted:
   The first one, takes his Title-Deed, but promptly sticks it in his safe-deposit box - never to do anything with it afterwards.

    The second, is curious enough to take a trip to the state where his land is located (say Wyoming; Idaho, etc.), drives his rental car to the south most part of his 1,000,000 acres of land, stops and gets out and then looks out over the little that he can see for an hour or so. But after a while, gets back in his rental car, drives off, flies home; then he too, sticks his Title-Deed into a safe-deposit box - never to look at it again.

    The third though is a bit different. He after going to see his property (what very little he could see with his eye and at the spot he stood), decided to move there. He does so in fact. But after sectioning off a 1/4 acre of land on the south-eastern most part of his land, and builds a house on it, he just settles in and sticks as well his Title-Deed (with all the 56 coordinates outlined in the Deed, that establishes the internal boundary lines of his property) into a safe-deposit box, and is content to just enjoy the view from his back porch, his land that looks north and westward. Occasionally, he does a little 'scouting' into some of the acreage that lays just in back of his little carved-out piece of homestead. But nothing beyond that.

    The fourth, well he is of any other kind. He (or she) is filled with both a hunger and thirst, curious to the marrow of his bones, to fly, drive, walk or whatever else it takes to first get to his newly inherited vast landholdings, but then to traverse as much as he can the very moment he arrives there! Boots, backpack, compass, notebook & pen in hand, he starts off to personally discover whatever and all that he can, about this graciously given inheritance, that had been given to him and that is his, and that he is by diligent and protracted daily effort, becoming ever increasingly aware of the riches that have been there all along, but yet to be discovered...save by those that ask...seek...knock...and wait, I say wait on the LORD to open there eyes to behold wondrous things out of His Law: "...and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints"!    


"...That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

"The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

"And what [is] the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power..."
[See Ephesians 1; Colossians 1:8-11; Philippians 1:9-12, 13-18]


Comment here:
"And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and [in] all judgment; That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ" [Phil. 1:9-10]


Notice above here, how that the meaning of sincerity is not speaking about 'innocence' of heart; but rather being truly sincere, has everything to do with being saturated in both knowledge and judgment, in order to be able to "approve things that are excellent" as opposed to things that are not - what I would say certainly includes what is being taught and accepted as 'biblical' teaching, which is not. One cannot be scripturally "sincere" without being able to be purged of their false opinions.


    "But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
    "See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise. Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord [is]. And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord..."
[Eph. 5:13-19]


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Re: Scriptures rarely spoken on.
« Reply #78 on: Fri Mar 02, 2012 - 11:02:46 »

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Re: Scriptures rarely spoken on.
« Reply #79 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 15:50:15 »
This is the next verse:

Mat 7:10  Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

I wish I knew what the fish are. There is a deeper meaning here, I just don't know what it is.

Lively Stone this is what I meant by the meat of the word. There is so much for us to know other than just whats on the surface.

I got lots of pictures from these two, fisah and serpent.


Since you shared so much, wanna see my pictures to?  I want to share good things with you cause Jesus says to "share all good things with him......".  Remember?

Mel
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« Reply #80 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 17:12:43 »
here, I found it.

Galatians 6:6
[ Be Generous and Do Good ] Let him who is taught the word share in all good things with him who teaches.

Mel

 

     
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