There are Christians and there are those who aren't.
Paul and Jesus both make it plain that growth in the Spirit is a process over time. Not all Christians are at the same point in that process.
Doesn't mean they're not listening; it means they haven't grown into the Spirit.
Sometimes life's pressures make living the life hard and almost impossible. It doesn't have anything to do with not hearing, but making choices. The history of the church is rampant with the challenges of living in the Life in the midst of life.
The Spirit does not literally compel you to do anything.
Exactly, and ALL of us are on that scale between the 'carnal' and 'spiritual' Christian. However we ALL fall short of course. There is no such thing as a Christian who is no longer 'carnal' in some way.
That has to be qualified greatly.Or clarified.
For one thing the flesh is wholy carnal.
No, it isn't. Whatever Man is, he's the image of God.
in THAT respect yes you are right.
But then what of "if ye walk in the spirit then you will not fullfill the lusts of the flesh"?
I see no room for dual personalities in scripture.
Then you're not reading closely enough. Paul says he has two conflicting drives; John says Christians sin; Paul tells the Corinthian church that they're messing up; Jesus tells Peter to "get behind me, Satan!"
Paul said to those who were "yet carnal" to be spiritual!
Doesn't that pretty much argue that Christians are not necessarily mature, and yet they are Christians.
Is not the Spirit to dominate or keep under the flesh?We are to grow into maturity; we are to be transformed by practice (according to Paul) so that we can become the likeness of God.
Another aspect that needs to be clarified.Yes.
Is that a new BORNagain child of God is much like a natural born. often soiled always hungry.
But are we not to grow in grace and in the knowledge of God?
What is acceptable almost in a babe is not acceptable in a toddler. and what is acceptable in a toddler is not in a teenager.Yes, so by definition, Christians are imperfect.
By acceptable I mean that is is normal in that level of maturity but children are meant to grow to maturity.
So that in maturity foolishness in a wise man is as a fly in the ointment.
Man is not going to be like God.
I don't think Christ saved us to fall into the same sin as at the beginning.
We are made conformable to CHRIST.
We may if we over come sit in his throne as he over came and sits in his fathers throne.
Our life is hid with Christ in God.
We are not made conformable to 'GOD' but to Christ whom is the express image of the invisible Christ.
It will take the WHOLE church to to express the fullness of him that fills all in all.
Bur even as we are to be in submission to Christ.
is it not written that when all things are in submission to Christ then the SON will then submit all things to the father so that God may be all in all?
The moon has no life or light of its own.
Nor ever will.
Only the father has life in himself and he has given this also to the son and the Son has life in himself.
he then who has the SON has life and he who has not the Son has not even seen life.
The burning bush was still the bush and God was still God. Yet "oh Jacob because I change not ye are not consumed"
Burning bushes are two a penny in a wilderness of great heat and instantaneous combustion.
But one that is not consumed is not.
It was not the bush that spake but God in the midst of the bush.
The words that I speak are not my own words but the father who is in me he doth the work.
if then Jesus said that who am I to speak more ?
if then I speak not my own words would it not then be right to say in this respect it is not I who liveth but Christ who liveth in me?
Then in that case the words that I speak are not my own words but rather it would have to be said it is Christ IN me that doeth thew work.
Then where in do i Or can I glory?~
save in Christ alone .
For I can do nothing of my self but what I see Christ do that should I not do? Even as the reverse is also What I don't see Christ do don't do!
For it is God that worketh with in you both to will and to do his good pleasure.
Actually scripture says we are perfect going onto perfection.
Not imperfect going onto perfection.
I take that to mean that if a corrupt seed is predestined to bring forth corruption unto death.
So then is an incorruptible seed predestined to bring forth righteousness unto life.
For is it not written every seed shall bring forth fruit after its own kind? Then each seed is predestined to bring forth fruit according to its kind. Depending on what "sort" it is.
Thus the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman.
The" corruptable seed" and the "incorruptible seed" Are we not then if BORNagain so born "of an incorruptible seed"?
is it not then destined to grow? From a seed toooooooooo? some sort of fruit?>
is it not w written "By their FRUITS shall we know them?
God on that terrible day of judgement will say to some.I never KNEW you.
When my firstborn son was born .I looked at him and saw my image in him.
He had my image because he was of my seed. If I had not been the father he would have born another image.
I do not say I expected anything else.I'm saying what I saw and thought about afterwards.
Did not Jesus say "He came to seek and to save that which was lost"?
As I said before by the scriptures man was created in the image of God .But the same scriptures say we are BORN after the image of Adam.Hence "shapen in iniquity"
Jesus then being thee express image if the invisible God came to seek and to save that image or restore it in man so that if a MAN is truly BORNagain of that incorruptible seed he is as the scriptures say "Begotten of God" in Christ.
if then of that incorruptible seed he is then baring the image of Christ who is the express image of the invisible God.
Then how will God deny his own flesh as it were?
He wont for he will recognise his own image in them who are his and know them.
Thus we are LED to 1 john who speaks also of the seed that will not sin. For we are BORN of a nature that will NEVER agree with sin at the very least.
and is of one that leans to NOT sinning even as were all once as those "sons of disobedience" are inclined to sin.
THAT is the emphasis of JOHN not as man has replaced it with "IF we sin............."
and made the" IF" THE THING rather than "But thanks be unto God who gives us the victory"
newBORN soil themselves are are always hungry as I said.
"But folly in a wise man is as a fly in the ointment"
"young men the word of God dwellth in you richly and ye have overcome the wicked one"
If all that is taught in churches today is that milk that Paul speaks of in Hebrews is it any wonder we have more carnal Christians than fathers?