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Re: Two kinds of christians.
« Reply #35 on: Sat Oct 13, 2012 - 20:40:05 »
Without having a complete repeat of your post H Robertson I shall endevour to reply to each part.

Your first reply as to You have  image /ICON /likeness.

This a strange insertion. ICON.

Given that the usual practice by many and now in the Cof E is to have icons around the church building.
I am not discussing Episcopal practice.

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Is not an Icon a graven image? How then do you insert it here?
When God man man in His image it was not an icon .
and God commands we make no graven image of God.
Technically, modern icons are not graven but painted. The point though is that they are representations or images (icons) of what the seek to represent. Christ is the icon of God (according to Paul).

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When I said That my son bore my image that was true. he did not look like me .
Yet he bore my image  because he was of me. if he had not been of me he would not have born my image  but the image of his father whos he was.
But in that he was of me he bore my image.

I have to confess as to CREATION  I am not yet fully understanding of what it means to be created in Gods image.
Yet it does mean in part at least that as God is a Triune being so to is man .
As God is the creator so man can create.
As God is a moral being so too is man etc.

As to beign BORN again In Christ by the will of the Father. This then is true.
as Christ is the express iamge of the invisible God and that He is the Word of God and the "seed is the Word"
He that receiveth Christ bares in them the image of God.
The image of God in the creation of man was Lost or marred at the fall of man.
and as the scriptures say it we are now BORN in the image of Adam. hence "shapen in iniquity"
we have to be careful to not mix up our use of metaphors.

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Jesus came to seek and to save that which was lost.
The image of God in man is restored when Christ lives and reigns in the heart.
it was never lost - Gen 9.
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and when man stands before the throne of God
God will recognise those who are his baring his image in them and those who do not. and will say to some "I never knew you"

This image and likeness of God  is not the same then as the temptation of the devil "ye shall be like God"
True
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He was cast out of  heaven for his presumption.
and man was cast out of the garden for his.

Only the Father has life in Himself .Not man.
and the Father has also given this to The Son. who has life in Himself.
"He then that has the Son has life and he who has not the Son has not even seen life."
I do not have life without the Son I therefore in myself alone have not life.
For I am not God.
Nor will I ever be.
I am a man.Born in the image of God in and through Christ.

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Re: Two kinds of christians.
« Reply #36 on: Sat Oct 13, 2012 - 21:55:38 »
Ejected, could it be that they're not Christians?

I believe I understand what the OP is trying to communicate.

I believing I am a Christian have different opinions that others who also call themselves Christians.

Such as Biden and his stance on homosexuality and abortion.

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Re: Two kinds of christians.
« Reply #37 on: Fri Oct 19, 2012 - 13:44:23 »
You mean to hear the gospel, not the spirit.

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Re: Two kinds of christians.
« Reply #38 on: Thu Aug 21, 2014 - 03:03:15 »
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Paul speaks of the milk of the Word. In Hebrews....
Paul did not write Hebrews. It was penned after his death.

An assertion that  has no argument  to back it up and proves it does not make it true .
What is more is irrelevant  to the subject that there  is a list  in Hebrews as to what the milk  of the word is .
Unless  of course you are saying  that we should ignore what Hebrews says  because  of your perception   of who wrote it?
Then I  will say "all scripture  is inspired by God and  si good for correction reproof and  instruction in righteousness ..................."
Will that do?

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« Reply #39 on: Thu Oct 23, 2014 - 09:18:55 »
There are 2 kinds of christians. Those that hear the Spirit. Those who don't. The twain shall never meet. Neither can 'two walk together except they agree.'  The majority are the ones that cannot hear. A remnant/few who does hear. The first century christians had the same problem. Drove Paul crazy. It got so bad that Paul concluded with 'all the 'churches'/ekklesia's in Asia have forsaken me.' This will be the outcome for those who truly hear Him. They'll sit alone. What say you? God bless.

I wished I would have read through this thread sooner.  I've learned a great deal from it so thank you OP for the topic and thanks to all for the great discussion and insight.

There are 2 kinds of Christians. The new ones and the old ones. Now this buisness of those that hear and/or do not hear the spirit,, all I can say about that is that I know not of a small still voice that I was always taught about , but instead, a loud thunderous one that will collapse you to the ground and make you question your sanity. It moves you in a way that I know only few feel. I completly understand where the OP is comming from and gained a ton of insight from everyone here and that will better me in discussions with my fellow brothers...

Whoo hooooooo!  It burns inside- dont you feel that??

I breath "life" every day and wish the same for all you.

Thanks again for the good read!








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Re: Two kinds of christians.
« Reply #40 on: Thu Oct 23, 2014 - 09:37:40 »
An assertion that  has no argument  to back it up and proves it does not make it true .
What is more is irrelevant  to the subject that there  is a list  in Hebrews as to what the milk  of the word is .
Unless  of course you are saying  that we should ignore what Hebrews says  because  of your perception   of who wrote it?
Then I  will say "all scripture  is inspired by God and  si good for correction reproof and  instruction in righteousness ..................."
Will that do?

Hebrews is absolutely inspired and MUST BE considered.  But it is written to Messianic Jews, not the gentiles Paul was apostle to. Paul is reported as being rough of speech but the prose of Hebrews (even in English) is that of a polished orator.

As to the "foundations" in Heb 6.1-3 (that may or may not be the "milk" he writes of in Heb 5), most believers today do not have these foundations well laid in their lives.  They are in the same boat as the original audience and need "milk" instead of "strong meat."   IOW - if you have the foundations laid properly you can go on to solid meat.  If not you have to have milk.

And that is true, no matter who wrote it (Barnabas and Apollos are my main candidates)

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Re: Two kinds of christians.
« Reply #41 on: Thu Oct 23, 2014 - 09:42:22 »
There are 2 kinds of christians. Those that hear the Spirit. Those who don't. The twain shall never meet.

I would say there are three.

1 - those who hear the word and receive it in obedience
2 - those who hear the word but reject it (hardening their hearts against it)
3 - those who do not hear it at all.

Our Lord in the gospel parable of the house built on sand vs the house built on the rock differentiates the first 2, and the writer of Hebrews references Psalm 95 at least twice where he says "Today if you hear His voice do not harden your heart..." thus appealing for the reader to be in group 1 instead of group 2.

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Re: Two kinds of christians.
« Reply #42 on: Fri Dec 18, 2015 - 04:59:47 »
There are 2 kinds of christians.

Those who divide the rest into two kinds, and those who don't.

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Re: Two kinds of christians.
« Reply #43 on: Fri Dec 18, 2015 - 05:51:26 »
There are 10 types of Christians

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Re: Two kinds of christians.
« Reply #44 on: Fri Dec 18, 2015 - 13:33:57 »
There are three kinds of people in general ....

Those who can count and those who can't.

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« Reply #45 on: Fri Dec 18, 2015 - 14:52:50 »
There are three kinds of people in general ....

Those who can count and those who can't.

Wish I had a "like" button for that.

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Re: Two kinds of christians.
« Reply #46 on: Fri Dec 18, 2015 - 16:34:49 »
You can click the "+ manna" button on the left side of DaveW's post and that will be the same as a "like" button.

After you do that, you can reply to DaveW's by saying, "+1 Dave" or "manna to you DaveW." Or something similar to let him know.
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Re: Two kinds of christians.
« Reply #47 on: Fri Dec 18, 2015 - 16:39:54 »
Example for littleoldme:

There are three kinds of people in general ....

Those who can count and those who can't.

Manna To YOU DaveW!

(DaveW previously had 184 manna, after I clicked +manna, he now has 185 manna.

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« Reply #48 on: Thu Dec 24, 2015 - 07:11:02 »
Thanks!

And a Merry Christmas to everyone here!

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Re: Two kinds of christians.
« Reply #49 on: Thu Dec 24, 2015 - 13:58:34 »
More manna to you, Dave.