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When did full time preaching begin?
« on: Tue Jun 02, 2009 - 12:01:05 »
As I was reading the Holy Bible, I searched the time when full time preaching began.

In the Acts of the Apostles where Paul may be considered the premier, he wrote the following:

* Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.

* Acts 20:34 Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.

In the following, Paul gave himself as example for the Apostles:

 * Acts 20:35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

Anybody who can help me on this matter?







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When did full time preaching begin?
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Re: When did full time preaching begin?
« Reply #1 on: Tue Jun 02, 2009 - 12:25:14 »
At least by the time of the establishment of the Ephesian church - since Paul wrote to Timothy there that there were some elders who "directed the affairs of the church" and whose "labor" (work or career) was preaching and teaching (1 Timothy 5:17) were worthy of a double "honorarium".



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Re: When did full time preaching begin?
« Reply #2 on: Tue Jun 02, 2009 - 13:49:30 »
At least by the time of the establishment of the Ephesian church - since Paul wrote to Timothy there that there were some elders who "directed the affairs of the church" and whose "labor" (work or career) was preaching and teaching (1 Timothy 5:17) were worthy of a double "honorarium".


Can we reconcile the following truth with the establishment of Seminaries and Bible Schools that are run or controlled by men regarding endowment/acquiring of "divine knowledge and wisdom?"

In the Old Testament:

* Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

* Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. 6Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child. 7But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak. 8Be not afraid of their faces: for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the LORD. 9Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth.

In the New Testament:

* Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

* 1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

* James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.







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Re: When did full time preaching begin?
« Reply #3 on: Sun Jun 28, 2009 - 02:26:37 »
fil3232003-

Uh, question-

What do the Scriptures about Paul have anything to do with "full time ministry"? All they appear to do is share activities during his Ministry, but nothing about "Duration".

Look at Moses if want to know when "full time Ministry" started. Moses spent all those years taking the Jews on foot, to the "Promised Land" from Egypt, but also was the "leason" between God and the Jews even up to his death. Not to mention listening to all thier problems and dealing with them for answers to care for them. And Aaron his son being a Minister as well.

And there were many others after that if pay close attention to the time spans they lead the Jews.

God Bless!!

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Re: When did full time preaching begin?
« Reply #4 on: Thu Jul 09, 2009 - 00:37:56 »
And I believe it was Samuel who started the school of the prophets, where he taught others to teach Israel to obey God's law -- but I don't think this is in Scripture, so it may not count.

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Re: When did full time preaching begin?
« Reply #5 on: Tue Aug 11, 2009 - 04:58:52 »
At least by the time of the establishment of the Ephesian church - since Paul wrote to Timothy there that there were some elders who "directed the affairs of the church" and whose "labor" (work or career) was preaching and teaching (1 Timothy 5:17) were worthy of a double "honorarium".



So then is a full time minister a paid professional?

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Re: When did full time preaching begin?
« Reply #6 on: Sat Jan 16, 2010 - 14:13:17 »
At least by the time of the establishment of the Ephesian church - since Paul wrote to Timothy there that there were some elders who "directed the affairs of the church" and whose "labor" (work or career) was preaching and teaching (1 Timothy 5:17) were worthy of a double "honorarium".



So then is a full time minister a paid professional?



part time ministers are most often paid to. either by another job or by a congregation.

personaly i would not want a part timer as a  pastor . i want his full time devotion to be on preaching  Gods word

not some other job.

and most of us dont have spoiled rich kids as our pastors . So we as congregations pay them so they also can live and support their families.

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Re: When did full time preaching begin?
« Reply #7 on: Sat Jan 16, 2010 - 14:15:30 »
At least by the time of the establishment of the Ephesian church - since Paul wrote to Timothy there that there were some elders who "directed the affairs of the church" and whose "labor" (work or career) was preaching and teaching (1 Timothy 5:17) were worthy of a double "honorarium".



So then is a full time minister a paid professional?



part time ministers are most often paid to. either by another job or by a congregation.

personaly i would not want a part timer as a  pastor . i want his full time devotion to be on preaching  Gods word

not some other job.

and most of us dont have spoiled rich kids as our pastors . So we as congregations pay them so they also can live and support their families.

Paul was a tentmaker.

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Re: When did full time preaching begin?
« Reply #8 on: Sat Jan 16, 2010 - 18:20:15 »
When did full time preaching begin?  "When the time was full...."?  LOL

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Re: When did full time preaching begin?
« Reply #9 on: Wed Jul 21, 2010 - 11:20:50 »
It seems to me "full-time preaching started in the Ist Century.  Paul - 3 yrs Ephesus, 1.5 yrs Corinth.  He also gave instuction to Timothy and Titus about their respective located work.

TR

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Re: When did full time preaching begin?
« Reply #10 on: Wed Jul 21, 2010 - 12:29:33 »
Maybe I'm just not keeping up here:

Is the underlying issue here, that perhaps a preacher shouldn't receive a salary?

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Re: When did full time preaching begin?
« Reply #11 on: Wed Jul 21, 2010 - 14:09:56 »
Steve,

I'm not sure, I got that impression when reading through the thread.  There is certainly Biblical authority for preachers to be compensatedin I Cor 9:14.  I'm sure someone will find a way to disagree with this passage.  My answer still stands in the first century. 


P.S. I am a located preacher who receives a salary, I don't preach for the money, but as long as I'm able to provide for my family in this way I will be gratefull.   

TR

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Re: When did full time preaching begin?
« Reply #12 on: Wed Jul 21, 2010 - 16:23:42 »
Interesting, TR

I was ready to quote that very chapter.  Would you ask a soldier to buy his own gun and bullets?

Acts and the letters are full of references to missionaries being supported by the people of the flock.

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Re: When did full time preaching begin?
« Reply #13 on: Mon Sep 20, 2010 - 12:56:52 »
Actually, I believe that full time preaching began with Jesus. he had 12 Disciples to support him, and he took in much money to support Himself and his followers.  How else do you account for Judas getting the 30 pieces of silver-- a large sum of cash then?

Also when the deacons were selected in Acts for the sole purpose of permitting the Apostles do the work of the ministry, that was the pattern for full time ministry.

When Paul solicited funds for the Jerusalem church in several places, that was the beginning of missionary support for other churches.

Therefore do not let the false teachers teach you differently: there is ample precedent for a paid professional ministry.

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Re: When did full time preaching begin?
« Reply #14 on: Tue Sep 21, 2010 - 23:31:36 »
On some Sunday mornings it seems like full time preaching started hours ago!

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Re: When did full time preaching begin?
« Reply #15 on: Sun Oct 31, 2010 - 21:36:54 »
Full time preaching started a long time ago.  Noah preached to his generation, 1 Peter 3:19.  In regard to the first full time gospel preacher, at the beginning of the gospel of Christ, I believe it would be John the Baptist, Mark 1:1-8.

Jake