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Why Do Ministers Talk So Much?
« on: Wed Aug 20, 2014 - 09:29:59 »
Proverbs 10:19 has The Word of God specifying, "In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin, but he that refraineth his lips is wise."

Should preachers be wise and refrain their lips, especially when they do not materially demonstrate all of their talk?  James even writes that "Faith without deeds is dead in itself."  Is that true?

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Re: Why Do Ministers Talk So Much?
« Reply #1 on: Wed Aug 20, 2014 - 09:33:09 »
Proverbs 10:19 has The Word of God specifying, "In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin, but he that refraineth his lips is wise."

Should preachers be wise and refrain their lips, especially when they do not materially demonstrate all of their talk?  James even writes that "Faith without deeds is dead in itself."  Is that true?

Weird.  A teacher has to teach...words and talking are kinda part of that.

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Re: Why Do Ministers Talk So Much?
« Reply #2 on: Wed Aug 20, 2014 - 10:11:09 »
How can anyone teach if they dont speak?

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Re: Why Do Ministers Talk So Much?
« Reply #3 on: Wed Aug 20, 2014 - 13:04:52 »
It is not possible to teach the superlatives and axiomatic truths of God's Word without action.  Faith without deeds id eead.  Jesus and The Apostles materially demonstrated all they taught.

Preachers who only talk are teaching nothing.

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« Reply #4 on: Wed Aug 20, 2014 - 13:05:57 »
How can anyone teach if they only talk?

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Re: Why Do Ministers Talk So Much?
« Reply #5 on: Wed Aug 20, 2014 - 13:06:44 »
How can anyone teach if they only talk?
 

How do you suggest they teach? Sign language maybe?

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« Reply #6 on: Wed Aug 20, 2014 - 13:12:46 »
It is not possible to teach the superlatives and axiomatic truths of God's Word without action.  Faith without deeds id eead.  Jesus and The Apostles materially demonstrated all they taught.

Preachers who only talk are teaching nothing.

And how do you know they aren't walking out what they teach?  There is no way you can...your implied accusation against ministers is unfounded and odd.

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Re: Why Do Ministers Talk So Much?
« Reply #7 on: Wed Aug 20, 2014 - 18:19:09 »
They commonly promote concepts and intuitive things of "the Heart" which have nothing to do with material reality.  There is the answer for you regarding "how we can know if they are living out what they preach."

What you call an "accusation" from me is most likely some little defensive transference from yourself.  Let's make a deal, here, I will not make ad hominem comments about yourself if you stop making them about me.  Sound fair enough in the light of Scripture?  Oh wait!  As a preacher, you are supposed to show leadership in forgiving all offenses toward yourself and your verbose peers!   Correct?

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Re: Why Do Ministers Talk So Much?
« Reply #8 on: Wed Aug 20, 2014 - 19:17:06 »
They commonly promote concepts and intuitive things of "the Heart" which have nothing to do with material reality.

Examples?  You make the charge, now its up to you to prove it.

 
There is the answer for you regarding "how we can know if they are living out what they preach."

So, then perhaps you shouldn't make the implication that they are not.

What you call an "accusation" from me is most likely some little defensive transference from yourself.

Nope.

Let's make a deal, here, I will not make ad hominem comments about yourself if you stop making them about me.

I didn't.  I am challenging your assertions about people who are not here to defend themselves.

Sound fair enough in the light of Scripture?  Oh wait!  As a preacher, you are supposed to show leadership in forgiving all offenses toward yourself and your verbose peers!   Correct?

Who said I was a preacher??? Where did you get that from?

However, I do forgive you though what you are doing and saying about ministers/pastors/preachers isn't very edifying. 

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Re: Why Do Ministers Talk So Much?
« Reply #9 on: Wed Aug 20, 2014 - 21:07:17 »
Do you have any proof of the supposed nonedifying effect of my words here?  Remember, I will not make personal assumptions and ad hominems about yourself if you can stick to the originsl issue of this thread instead of acting like all words you hear relate to how you feel about the person wtiting them.  Lol.

Should "faithful" preachers speak a multitude of words?  Yes?  No?  Is Proverbs 10:19 relevant to preachers, or not? 

Remember, I did not author Proverbs 10:19.  Lol.

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Re: Why Do Ministers Talk So Much?
« Reply #10 on: Wed Aug 20, 2014 - 21:42:00 »
Do you have any proof of the supposed nonedifying effect of my words here?

Yup. You make claims you can't back up...therefore there is no redeeming value in it, its just pot stirring and trying to cause people to doubt their pastors.

 
Remember, I will not make personal assumptions and ad hominems about yourself if you can stick to the originsl issue of this thread instead of acting like all words you hear relate to how you feel about the person wtiting them.  Lol.

I don't know you...my objections have nothing to do with you as a person.  I am objecting to your insinuation that Pastors talk but don't walk what they talk.

Should "faithful" preachers speak a multitude of words?  Yes?  No?  Is Proverbs 10:19 relevant to preachers, or not? 

Remember, I did not author Proverbs 10:19.  Lol.

Should you? You've made several posts here today...perhaps apply Proverbs to yourself if you are worried about it.

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Re: Why Do Ministers Talk So Much?
« Reply #11 on: Wed Aug 20, 2014 - 21:49:17 »
Regarding Proverbs 10:19, when I read some of the other verses in the immediate context, I find that God is condemning the words and actions of the wicked and fools. On the other hand, He says in verse 20 that the tongue of the righteous is choice silver and in verse 21 the tongue of the righteous feeds many. This use of the tongue by the righteous has to take place for the good of those who need learning.

I do not believe God had gospel preachers of the truth in mind with this passage. If He did, then Peter was misusing his tongue in Acts 2:14-36, not to mention the many words used by others in Acts, such as Paul. Words have to be used to share the truth with those who do not know it. Now, of course, nobody here would separate living the truth from speaking it, we just don't want the necessity of preaching and teaching the truth to me treated as contrary to God's will.

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Let me know if you need more help.  I am here to minister to your heart.

When I read this and three threads started by you, I got the sense you have an agenda here.

I think most of us joined this board to share and learn from God's word and, basically, to fellowship and get to know others who believe in Christ and trust Him for salvation.

What about you? Have you come here thinking we need ministering from you?

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Do you have any proof of the supposed nonedifying effect of my words here?

Nonedification is the impression I get from your posts. You're words seem more accusatory and admonishing than anything else, as if everybody here is wrong about something and you've come to offer correction. I'm just saying what the impression is from what you have been communicating so far.

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Re: Why Do Ministers Talk So Much?
« Reply #12 on: Wed Aug 20, 2014 - 22:01:01 »
Oh yeah, going back to what I was saying about Peter and Acts chapter 2. I don't want to leave out verse 40:

And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.”

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Re: Why Do Ministers Talk So Much?
« Reply #13 on: Wed Aug 20, 2014 - 23:21:45 »
They commonly promote concepts and intuitive things of "the Heart" which have nothing to do with material reality.  There is the answer for you regarding "how we can know if they are living out what they preach."

What you call an "accusation" from me is most likely some little defensive transference from yourself.  Let's make a deal, here, I will not make ad hominem comments about yourself if you stop making them about me.  Sound fair enough in the light of Scripture?  Oh wait!  As a preacher, you are supposed to show leadership in forgiving all offenses toward yourself and your verbose peers!   Correct?
 

The preachers I know are all godly men.

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Re: Why Do Ministers Talk So Much?
« Reply #14 on: Thu Aug 21, 2014 - 02:48:36 »
I know  a man a minister of God who has a crippled arm by an accident.
Is he not to preach that  God heals because his arm is not?
The Word of God  is not to be brought down to our own experience  but to  be lifted up so that all men  may bring their  experience  into conformity with the  Word of God.
A faithful preacher must allow the  Word of God free course in him as he would wish it in his hearers.
For he cannot teach what he has not learnt himself .Nor can he comfort others if he ahs not received any  himself.

I know  of a church that had not a pastor for 10 years .Yet when they found a man of God and asked him to be their  pastor and he began to preach . When they  had considered he had gone on too long many or some  began to look at their watches  .There came a time  when men got up and began to stack the chairs as he was preaching  longer than they perceived he should.
He resigned and true it was as one  member  of that congregation said  "it was not Gods will"
But clearly  the 'majority'  of that congregation  did not want Gods will but theirs to be done .It is very doubtful they will ever get a man of God  again to be their pastor unless the repented (but then still not certain) Though they may get a hireling who will do what the piper pays them.

There  is a famine  of the  Word of God  despite  the great flood of printed materials and Bibles and study helps etc.
I think there is  such a famine   is because the church has not honoured even what  it had .
and so the Lord has caused such a famine  that in some at least  there will be created a hunger for the  Word of God  that will not accept any substitutes nor  anything other than the reality   of Gods presence and the pure undiluted preaching  of the Word of God .

In the main  its still not getting it .
Indeed  while the church  is 'celebrating' and screaming and jumping up and down and listening  to half baked Christians and charalatans  and self proffesing  apostles and prophest performing   on stage .
saying  "We are rich   increased with goods and in need of nothing ............................"
The Lord is OUTSIDE the church  knocking   on the door.
That  message is not for the world .But listen to what the Spirit says  to the churches .
 "Behold I stand at the door and knock ........................"
This is a very grave  matter when you consider that after the resurrection no closed or  locked door was an obstical  to Him or one  that hindered Him if he desired to enter .
But to the door of His own church he is knocking  so that he might enter .
Not only  is the church  not perceiving  he is  OUTSIDE when they think he is inside . But by the Lords own words  most do not even hear  him knocking!
For while  the knocking on the door is the CALL  for all inside to repent . The promise however  is to "those who have ears to hear and open the door " "To THEM...........................WILL I AND THE FATHER ......................"

In Christ
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Re: Why Do Ministers Talk So Much?
« Reply #15 on: Thu Oct 30, 2014 - 00:25:23 »
Ecc 5:2  Be not rash with your mouth, nor let your heart be hasty to utter a word before God, for God is in heaven and you are on earth. Therefore let your words be few.

For sure we should rein in our tongue for no man can tame it.

Jas 3:7  For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and sea creature, can be tamed and has been tamed by mankind,
Jas 3:8 but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.

As Jesus only spoke what he heard his father say, maybe we should follow his example, and only speak what the Holy Spirit speaks through us. Since God created the Heavens and earth by his spoken Word, I would say words are extremely important.

Mat 12:36  I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak,
Mat 12:37  for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."