You missed it, I think.  I didn't say it was.  In fact, I said it wasn't: God is.  As the Word states, it is God who makes us change.

God does it. How do we come to God properly?  Scripture states that godly sorrow leads to repentance.  Who knows this?  It's virtually unheard of now days.  Let alone who can give godly counsel along this vein?  It is unknown to most, both of the bible thumpers and the psycho manipulators.  Both parties circumvent God and say that they are wise. 

Yet the proof is in their pudding: none seem to ever get out of the petri dish.

The stats of both camps are no different than the damned.

That's proof of their error, incompetance spiritually, and blind stubbornnes in yet pushing their methodologies.

It's amazing.  Kind of like the drunk that insists that he really doesn't have a problem, even though the obvious facts prove otherwise.

Kind of like Saul arguing with Samuel.

O well. 

'Tis life.

without Christ, that is, for as Paul stated in Romans, "Who will deliver me from such a state?  ....CHRIST!"

Not Christ and the bible.  Not Christ and psychologists.  Not Christ and self help (psychology).  Not Christ and Bill Gothard.  Christ!  and Christ alone.  Or God is worse than useless.  Toss 'Im.

Which is what thumpers and psychos both do.

Few actually know spiritual victory themselves, and the Word states it to be for those born of God.  Few indeed.  Yet those who do not have it themselves swear up and down that they know more about it than the few who actually have it for themselves.  Go figure.

Words fail me for the persistent blindness of the church, both of thumpers and psychos, and those who insist on listening to them despite their track records.  Crazy.

It should be common sense that a person would actually look at the stats, and acknowledge them, one would naturally come to the conclusion that they don't work.  And then they'd look elsewhere, which is what the psychos did regarding the thumpers.  Yet both camps have not looked in the right place: God.  They have gone outside of Him.  And the proof is in the pudding.  Crazy.

SoG,

The thread is entitled "Bible-ONLY" Wisdom, not "God is sufficient."

The argument in this thread is that Scripture is sufficient to heal trauma. It simply isn't.

Whether Godly sorrow repentance will heal the effects of trauma is highly suspect it seems to me, just as much as suggesting that Godly sorrow repentance will fix your compound fracture.

Is God sufficient? Yes. Does He promise to heal or fix whatever malady you may have? No.

Our coming to know God, our growing closer to Him is assisted by God, facilitated even. But we are expected to put forth some effort. Paul says "work, strive, try." Paul says "let yourselves be transformed." There is clearly, according to Paul, some partnership that Man has in his own growing closer to God; he is not passive.

God has given us tools and understanding with which we are expected to navigate this life. Using one's brain - given to you by God - isn't presumptuous or crazy. Nor is it God-denying, any more than cancer treatments.

Sorry if this didn't make a lot of sense, I had trouble following your post.

We still need antibiotics.  The brain is an organ, made up of cells and processes.  It gets sick too.  Medicine for the organ and medicine for the soul it speaks for.

No doubt that millimeter theology can lead to being separated by a universe of conclusions.  Who's ruler matters?

I resist the idea of calling it a sickness.    So much damage has been done (I believe through the devil), by establishing similarities with the Word of God, deviating one critical millimeter away, then proceeding until the differences in assumption, convictions, etc. are too far gone to be reconciled.

I have arrived at a conviction, regarding the actual need for medicine, though I CAN say I really am up in arms over how often medicine is actuallly forced upon someone, due to a diagnosis--a diagnosis that wrecks their life.

I thought that after telling me that this was not the point of the passage, that you would elaborate.....(?)