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« Reply #75 on: September 28, 2009, 07:59:25 AM »

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So I'll be happy to quote the verses again, then...

(But I thought you just said: "...ON the subject of divorce and remarriage, there are as many interpretations as to what the Bible say as there are people who say them....")

Actually I don't believe that the Bible is obscure on the subject.


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« Reply #76 on: September 28, 2009, 08:04:43 AM »

Luke 16.18: "Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery."
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« Reply #77 on: September 28, 2009, 08:31:46 AM »

I don't either when you understand the culture Jesus and the Apostles were speaking to... its clear as day.

But when you take the 21st english spin on things it's totally opposite of what Jesus was taking.. (which is what I chalk up to willful ignorance and the doings of a homosexual king).

People like Farouk are exactly like the Rabbi's that Jesus was discrediting when he walked the earth.  They had lost the spirit and culture of the Law and built a Law unto themselves.
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« Reply #78 on: September 28, 2009, 11:06:30 AM »

Ms ch:

So I'll be happy to quote the verses again, then...

(But I thought you just said: "...ON the subject of divorce and remarriage, there are as many interpretations as to what the Bible say as there are people who say them....")

Actually I don't believe that the Bible is obscure on the subject.


No nor me.
 

Yes there are many different interpretations but I know what I believe and never doubt it. i cant help what others think.
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« Reply #79 on: September 28, 2009, 11:55:52 AM »

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Oh, so what else does Luke 16.18 mean, then?
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« Reply #80 on: September 28, 2009, 12:20:22 PM »

matthew 5 v 32
"I tell you whoever dissmisses and repudiates and divorces his wife, EXCEPT on the grounds of unfaithfullness (sexual immorality)causes her to committ adultery."
The trouble is that you take only one meaning of the word 'pornea' and not many meanings as it has, (such as adultery, fornication, incest, homosexual relationships etc etc).I take the full meaning of that word. THAT is the reason why we will never agree as you cant accept the full meaning as being more that sex before marriage. Maybe you have been taught that, I dont know.
however I know that divorce is allowed for sexual immorality, whether it be adultery. gay sex, incest, or any other type of sexual immorality. Therefore we will never agree.  Smile

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« Reply #81 on: September 28, 2009, 02:18:01 PM »

Ms ch:

Actually it's not a joke.

It's significant that Luke 16.18 contains no reference to fornication. Why?

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« Reply #82 on: September 28, 2009, 04:15:00 PM »

Who said it was a joke?.(its only a smile) Matthew includes the allowance to divorce for 'pornea' and that is good enough for me. There is a reason why that part about 'pornea' is included, even if you dont like it. Its is there in black and white for all to see.
We will never agree so dont waste your time. You concentrate on your walk with God and I will continue to walk the way that God is leading me.
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« Reply #83 on: September 28, 2009, 09:44:41 PM »

Ms ch:

It seems to hinge on the meaning, in context, of PORNEIA, in Matt. 5 and Matt. 19.
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« Reply #84 on: September 28, 2009, 10:05:18 PM »

There are many interpretations on virtually every topic in the scriptures.  However, there is only one correct one in God's eyes, or there are conflicting truths.  So to dole out the statement about many interpretations, so each to their own, is merely humanism applied the Christianity.  And I think that many see it to be rampant.  Perhaps they are correct.  Maybe not.  In either event, there can only be one truth on a topic.  The whole of the Word is to be interpreted by the whole of the Word.  It is not culturally interpreted, else the Word of God changes with culture.  That's sheer foollishness, for God is a fluzy who changes by the habits of mankind.  "I am God, and I change not".  The spiritual truths of the Word are totally above all cultures, and are not to be understood or defined by them, or they are not of God, but are of culture.  Anyone can study this at university, for the world understands it.  Do we?  I hope so, but sometimes I can't help but doubt.  May we grow together in the Word.  And the word alone.
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« Reply #85 on: September 28, 2009, 10:14:27 PM »

I agree.

There are many interpretations on virtually every topic in the scriptures.  However, there is only one correct one in God's eyes, or there are conflicting truths.  So to dole out the statement about many interpretations, so each to their own, is merely humanism applied the Christianity.  And I think that many see it to be rampant.  Perhaps they are correct.  Maybe not.  In either event, there can only be one truth on a topic.  The whole of the Word is to be interpreted by the whole of the Word.  It is not culturally interpreted, else the Word of God changes with culture.  That's sheer foollishness, for God is a fluzy who changes by the habits of mankind.  "I am God, and I change not".  The spiritual truths of the Word are totally above all cultures, and are not to be understood or defined by them, or they are not of God, but are of culture.  Anyone can study this at university, for the world understands it.  Do we?  I hope so, but sometimes I can't help but doubt.  May we grow together in the Word.  And the word alone.
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« Reply #86 on: September 28, 2009, 10:26:24 PM »

Ms ch:

It seems to hinge on the meaning, in context, of PORNEIA, in Matt. 5 and Matt. 19.
 

yes and the reaon Jesus used that word is because sexual immorality is more than just adultery. If a man abuses children or sexually abuses a women that is sexual immorality. If a husband or wife engages in some sort of sexual relationship with another of their own sex, that is sexual immorality. if a person engages in sex with an animal, while not strictly adultery in one sense, that is 'pornea' as well. If he had merely used the word for adultery it would have been far too restricting. Pornea includes many different types of sexual immorality.
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« Reply #87 on: September 28, 2009, 10:29:45 PM »

There are many interpretations on virtually every topic in the scriptures.  However, there is only one correct one in God's eyes, or there are conflicting truths.  So to dole out the statement about many interpretations, so each to their own, is merely humanism applied the Christianity.  And I think that many see it to be rampant.  Perhaps they are correct.  Maybe not.  In either event, there can only be one truth on a topic.  The whole of the Word is to be interpreted by the whole of the Word.  It is not culturally interpreted, else the Word of God changes with culture.  That's sheer foollishness, for God is a fluzy who changes by the habits of mankind.  "I am God, and I change not".  The spiritual truths of the Word are totally above all cultures, and are not to be understood or defined by them, or they are not of God, but are of culture.  Anyone can study this at university, for the world understands it.  Do we?  I hope so, but sometimes I can't help but doubt.  May we grow together in the Word.  And the word alone.
 

I agree.WE do need to look at the whole of the Bible when deciding matters such as divorce and remarriage. We also need to be 100% at peace about what we believe after we have done this.I am 100% at peace so I will walk with God the way he has led me, and I am sure that others will do the same.
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« Reply #88 on: September 28, 2009, 10:43:21 PM »

Ms ch:

Why then is the Lord silent in Luke 16.18, if PORNEIA really does refer to adultery as well as fornication in the Matt. passages? As Luke 16.18 reads, it reads as if there is no exception as a general rule. It seems to me that if PORNEIA really did refer primarily to adultery in Matt. 5 & 19, one would expect to see an excpetion clause repeated in Luke 16.

Ms ch:

It seems to hinge on the meaning, in context, of PORNEIA, in Matt. 5 and Matt. 19.
 

yes and the reaon Jesus used that word is because sexual immorality is more than just adultery. If a man abuses children or sexually abuses a women that is sexual immorality. If a husband or wife engages in some sort of sexual relationship with another of their own sex, that is sexual immorality. if a person engages in sex with an animal, while not strictly adultery in one sense, that is 'pornea' as well. If he had merely used the word for adultery it would have been far too restricting. Pornea includes many different types of sexual immorality.

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« Reply #89 on: September 28, 2009, 11:23:02 PM »

Ms ch:

Why then is the Lord silent in Luke 16.18, if PORNEIA really does refer to adultery as well as fornication in the Matt. passages? As Luke 16.18 reads, it reads as if there is no exception as a general rule. It seems to me that if PORNEIA really did refer primarily to adultery in Matt. 5 & 19, one would expect to see an excpetion clause repeated in Luke 16.

Ms ch:

It seems to hinge on the meaning, in context, of PORNEIA, in Matt. 5 and Matt. 19.
 

yes and the reaon Jesus used that word is because sexual immorality is more than just adultery. If a man abuses children or sexually abuses a women that is sexual immorality. If a husband or wife engages in some sort of sexual relationship with another of their own sex, that is sexual immorality. if a person engages in sex with an animal, while not strictly adultery in one sense, that is 'pornea' as well. If he had merely used the word for adultery it would have been far too restricting. Pornea includes many different types of sexual immorality.



 For whatever reason Luke didnt include it, but Matthew did and God clearly wanted it to be in the Bible so we cannot ignore it. It is clear as day in Matthew, so Jesus said it and what Jesus says is good enough for me.
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