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Well this is about something that young Christians seem to do widely; so would you recommend it?

Some ppl would maybe strongly recommend it as something for an 18 year old Christian to do.

Others would maybe strongly discourage it as something for an 18 year old Christian to do.

Other would maybe not be sure.

Others would instinctively want to leave the matter for a young adult to work out for him- or herself.

Any thoughts?

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Poll added.

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Thanks for those who voted so far.

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The votes are coming in, I see; keep them coming!

Comments also?

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That's "adult" enough to go get killed in war.

Still, the prefrontal cortex isn't mature until about age 25.

I'd probably urge holding off, but I'm not certain.

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WWJD


He'd advise us to refrain from worldly trends and keep on the narrow road.

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He'd advise us to refrain from worldly trends and keep on the narrow road.
Do you think that in some ways the young Christian at around 18 can conclude that a Bible verse /faith witness tattoo can have the effect of pointing people to that same narrow way of faith?
« Last Edit: Wed Aug 22, 2018 - 10:42:45 by faroukfarouk »

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That's "adult" enough to go get killed in war.

Still, the prefrontal cortex isn't mature until about age 25.

I'd probably urge holding off, but I'm not certain.
Yes, this is an interesting point you make.

Already at 18, not a few Christian young ppl might well reason in a way that convinces themselves:

"If I'm old enough now to wear a uniform and take a bullet for civic / patriotic reasons, I'm old enough now to decide to express my strong Christian witness motivation by paying for needles to pump me a Bible theme / wording; I have the skin a man / woman now and I truly want it for personal testimony sake."

Yes, you make a very fair point about how many young ppl could view it.

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Several votes have been recorded now in the poll; thanks, ppl.

Clearly on this subject a number of different views and impressions are held.

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He'd advise us to refrain from worldly trends and keep on the narrow road.
This I agree with AMEN brother Alan don't be afraid to preach it

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This I agree with AMEN brother Alan don't be afraid to preach it
Some Christians do indeed feel that a tattoo would for them detract from their personal testimony. I have spoken with others with Bible verse tattoos who feel that they contribute to their personal testimony.

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Still, the prefrontal cortex isn't mature until about age 25.


PS:

NorrinRadd:

I guess maturity comes at various mental, physical and spiritual levels.

The commitment to allowing one's skin to be inked for expressing Biblical witness reasons does at some level involve some self-perception of maturity on the part of a young adult.

(If this makes any sense?)

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So any more votes/comments, ppl?

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On an older thread this is what someone said:
Quote from: seekr link=topic=14993.msg305164#msg305164

I just had my first tattoo at age 55 a couple months ago. a few years ago I was aghast at my daughter for getting 2 tattoos. I've come a long way, baby. And it is a good place to be without the prejudices of others ruling who I am. I think it is called freedome in Christ.

On a subject such as this, anyway, I guess ppl do sometimes change their minds.

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WWJD

"'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD."
- Leviticus 19:28

What would Jesus do?  Jesus would not tattoo his skin and would not advise others to do so, for this is a violation of God's law.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
- Jesus as quoted by Matthew 5:17

There are those within the church today who erroneously state the Law is destroyed abolished or otherwise subverted by Christ.  According to Jesus' testimony this is absolutely untrue.   I think Jesus knew what He was talking about even if others do not share my conviction.

Without understanding of the law or its purpose, those who scoff at the law wander in self-deluded darkness and will not comprehend the fullness of God's plan for redemption.  Neither shall they inherit the fullness of God's grace and mercy for themselves.  (1 Peter 4:17)

The question has been asked as to whether Christians young or old ought to get a tattoo. 

The answer from God's Holy Word is available, if not accepted

This is a sad reflection upon Christians today.  Like sheep wandering without a shepherd's guidance each one partakes of his or her own special brand of hypocrisy.   Is this not why the world laughs at the church today?  Is this not why the church is held in derision for its moral corruption and spiritual decadence?   Do the law or do it not.  Don't pretend God approves of its violation.  HE DOES NOT.

If the reader chooses to reject God's Word, then why ask the question in the first place?   But if one sincerely desires to follow God's Word and therefore to please Him, then this must be taken seriously.

"Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;" - 2 Timothy 3:4

These are the last days.  Does the reader love pleasure and the approval of the world or does the reader love God and God's ordinances?

Choose wisely.   Your future depends upon it.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

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Jews know the Law forbids tattoos. 
Christians ought to obey this law as well.   
Even Islam forbids it.
The Prophet [pbuh] cursed the one who does tattoos, the one who has a tattoo done..." - al-Bukhari, 5032

Tattoos are inherently filthy and sinful.  All the world's major religions agree on this.  Which part of NO is not understood?
« Last Edit: Mon Aug 27, 2018 - 07:42:53 by Choir Loft »

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"'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD."
- Leviticus 19:28

What would Jesus do?  Jesus would not tattoo his skin and would not advise others to do so, for this is a violation of God's law.

While He was on earth, He did indeed obey the Law.  Accordingly, He would not have gotten tattoos, at least not for the intentional purpose of imitating pagan worship practices, which seems to be the context in Lev.

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"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
- Jesus as quoted by Matthew 5:17

There are those within the church today who erroneously state the Law is destroyed abolished or otherwise subverted by Christ.

Paul being one such, in Gal. 3, Eph. 2:14-16, Col. 2:14; and the author of Hebrews being another, showing that the old Law was replaced along with the Obsolete Covenant.

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According to Jesus' testimony this is absolutely untrue.   I think Jesus knew what He was talking about even if others do not share my conviction.

My conviction is that Jesus indeed knew what He was talking about.  Equally, my conviction is that the recorded words of Jesus are no more authoritative than the recorded words of Paul, Peter, James, John, Jude, or the author of Hebrews.

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Without understanding of the law or its purpose, those who scoff at the law wander in self-deluded darkness and will not comprehend the fullness of God's plan for redemption.  Neither shall they inherit the fullness of God's grace and mercy for themselves.  (1 Peter 4:17)

A verse which does not even hint at "law."

Meanwhile, Gal. 5:4 teaches us that those who rely on the Law have fallen from grace and are separated from Christ, while 1:7-8 show that those who would impose Law on others besides themselves are to be cursed with destruction.

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The question has been asked as to whether Christians young or old ought to get a tattoo. 

The answer from God's Holy Word is available, if not accepted

This is a sad reflection upon Christians today.  Like sheep wandering without a shepherd's guidance each one partakes of his or her own special brand of hypocrisy.   Is this not why the world laughs at the church today?  Is this not why the church is held in derision for its moral corruption and spiritual decadence?   Do the law or do it not.  Don't pretend God approves of its violation.  HE DOES NOT.

If the reader chooses to reject God's Word, then why ask the question in the first place?   But if one sincerely desires to follow God's Word and therefore to please Him, then this must be taken seriously.

"Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;" - 2 Timothy 3:4

These are the last days.  Does the reader love pleasure and the approval of the world or does the reader love God and God's ordinances?

Choose wisely.   Your future depends upon it.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

PS 
Jews know the Law forbids tattoos. 
Christians ought to obey this law as well.   
Even Islam forbids it.
The Prophet [pbuh] cursed the one who does tattoos, the one who has a tattoo done..." - al-Bukhari, 5032

Tattoos are inherently filthy and sinful.  All the world's major religions agree on this.  Which part of NO is not understood?

The part where fools seek to apply the abolished, cancelled, nailed to the Cross, hung on the Tree laws of an Obsolete Covenant -- even ones where the context is dubious -- to a New and better Covenant with new laws -- and in the process call into question their own standing in grace, and invite being cursed with destruction.

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A while ago memmy said:
Quote from: memmy link=topic=13752.msg290611#msg290611
My cousin has many tattoos and she is 60 going on 25
So many of the older generation of both genders have it done, that when young adults turn 18 for many of them it's really a straightforward choice to have it done.

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A while ago memmy said:So many of the older generation of both genders have it done, that when young adults turn 18 for many of them it's really a straightforward choice to have it done.


As I've said before, these people are reaching out for a sense of uniqueness but instead they are just sheep following the flock.  Uniqueness requires an effort that today's generation believes they can find with a couple hundred dollars worth of ink.  ::rollingeyes:: 

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As I've said before, these people are reaching out for a sense of uniqueness but instead they are just sheep following the flock.  Uniqueness requires an effort that today's generation believes they can find with a couple hundred dollars worth of ink.  ::rollingeyes::
Oh yes Alan, in general terms I do take your point, yes.

I guess in general terms also, there is a sense of individuality being expressed when one chooses one's tattoo designs. (As I guess you and your wife would know, from what you've briefly commented.)

From a pragmatic point of view as well, because as a medium tattoos now are so vastly widespread, then it's likely that some young Christians will probably want to use the medium to communicate a faith design. Not that the tattoos are of the essence or that their presence or absence "means" that the wearer is or is not something particular. They are just perceived by some young Christians as working effectively as talking points, which can be used in conversations which can be steered in a faith based turn.

In that sense I can understand such young Christian men and women saying that for that reason they don't really regret their tattoos.

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I'd probably urge holding off, but I'm not certain.
Norrin Radd:

I guess the big 18 is regarded as a major milestone and in some ppl's minds calls for something major to be done. For a young Christian, receiving a faith based design might well be regarded as something of that nature (if such logic makes sense?)

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Uniqueness requires an effort that today's generation believes they can find with a couple hundred dollars worth of ink.  ::rollingeyes::
PS: Alan: Can you conceive that maybe some young Christians might think that a faith based (Bible verse, etc.) design might be considered by them to be money well spent?

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Thanks to all who voted in the poll so far!

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...keep on the narrow road.
Alan: So has your wife maybe developed some of the exact reservations as you about getting tattooed since the time you guys both did it?

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Both being so widespread, for young ppl tattoos are probably not too different from pierced ears. Both are widely practised.

Except that for faith witness purposes some tattoo designs probably have more scope for witness than pierced ears do...

(If this makes any sense...?)

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PS: Alan: Can you conceive that maybe some young Christians might think that a faith based (Bible verse, etc.) design might be considered by them to be money well spent?

You know, I have serious doubts that a faith based tattoo would be for any purpose other then going along with the crowd

It just is not a witnessing tool in my opinion.

I know a couple of young girls who wanted to get a cross tattoo on the top of their foot.

Like.... why? Unless barefoot no one would see it, but they thought if it was tastefully done it would be alright.

For myself, I hate any ink on women. And not fond of it on men either

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You know, I have serious doubts that a faith based tattoo would be for any purpose other then going along with the crowd

It just is not a witnessing tool in my opinion.

I know a couple of young girls who wanted to get a cross tattoo on the top of their foot.

Like.... why? Unless barefoot no one would see it, but they thought if it was tastefully done it would be alright.

For myself, I hate any ink on women. And not fond of it on men either
Thanks.

I appreciate that you yourself really don't like them. And also I see your comment on the gender aspect.

It's certainly not for everyone, to say the least.

As regards the gender aspect, it said somewhere that in North America 59%-70% of tattoo parlor clients now are female.

So it does seem like a huge amount of young ppl especially women expect to get ink.

That being said, I guess some ppl would argue that for young Christians far better they get something like a Bible verse, Christian fish sign <>< etc. that can become a talking point among friends and acquaintances.

(If this makes some sort of sense? - at least from someone else's standpoint, if not directly yours?)

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My wife and I talked to a young lady with the whole of John 3.16 inked on her wrist area; it was her favorite Bible verse and mine also; and I'm sure other conversations have happened also as a result of the young lady's willingness to receive the tattoo machine's inking in that particular design.

It was probably her idea all along for conversations about John 3.16 to be stimulated.

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I hate any ink on women. And not fond of it on men either
PS: Ginger Rella:

Well this is fine.  ::smile::

It's just that these days, although it used to be very much a man thing - and I think you're probably a bit more accustomed to men doing it - it's lately become very much indeed a womanly thing to do for so many: at 18 onwards both genders do it now.

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I don't say wrong or right on this subject, just give something to think about before getting a tat.... Many people are offended be Christians having tats, so the law of love indicates that we should refrain from doing things that can be a stumbling block to others.

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I don't say wrong or right on this subject, just give something to think about before getting a tat.... Many people are offended be Christians having tats, so the law of love indicates that we should refrain from doing things that can be a stumbling block to others.
I think a lot of it is related to what the tattoo represents.

A nude, or rude words can offend ppl in tattoo form.

I guess something like a Christian fish sign <>< or a Bible verse would be examples of completely different categories of tattoo designs, right?

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I'm not going to judge here as tatts are a personal thing, but the OP should consider that in a few year's time a tattoo may lose its  colour and go an unsightly blue. If going ahead, try keeping the tatt away from a lymph gland as I don't think ink getting into one of these glands would be all that healthy.

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I think a lot of it is related to what the tattoo represents.

A nude, or rude words can offend ppl in tattoo form.

I guess something like a Christian fish sign <>< or a Bible verse would be examples of completely different categories of tattoo designs, right?

I personally agree with you, but I live in a very religious area, they are offended with any tattoos. So for that reason I personally will not get one.

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I'm not going to judge here as tatts are a personal thing, but the OP should consider that in a few year's time a tattoo may lose its  colour and go an unsightly blue. If going ahead, try keeping the tatt away from a lymph gland as I don't think ink getting into one of these glands would be all that healthy.
Sensible comment about avoiding the lymph gland areas; sounds like you've avoided these areas; good idea.

Seems like so many (seemingly nearly all?) young employees at shops and restaurants favor wrist/lower arm placements for their ink that they presumably get from around 18 years of age onwards; this seems to be a fairly sensible placement away from the main lymph nodes.