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when you come upon people whose past relatives were not saved due to no real
fault of their own but simply because they has spent their lives in the wrong church that taught the wrong thing and they made the mistake of believing what they were taught
by people who were clueless themselves.

I do.

I am saddened by those generations who were lost, believing themselves to be otherwise.

I am saddened for my own family generation back who did not get it right or have the opportunity to.




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God saves who He will.   And it's not by being in the right club.   

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God saves who He will.   And it's not by being in the right club.   

I agreed, but there are those who have followed the wrong piper.

Those who do not acknowledge the importance of Jesus, but believe they are right cause they were taught by a man standing in a pulpit for however many years who preaches the
feel good thoughts of Christianity and that God loves the no matter what... or the priest who spends mass after mass condemning abortion ( rightfully so) but never a hint of the man on the cross, so the people just believe that I am no the pew therefore I am saved.

Or those who will flat out tell you they are saved. Their parents saw to it when they were sprinkled as a baby...

All through the generations... misguidance and mis teaching and especially family agreement that in the end you know they likely are doomed.... all because they had been told all their lives.... the "brick and mortar preacher knows all about God and what is right and if you have followed your lessons properly... no sweat.

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when you come upon people whose past relatives were not saved due to no real
fault of their own but simply because they has spent their lives in the wrong church that taught the wrong thing and they made the mistake of believing what they were taught by people who were clueless themselves.
I do.
I am saddened by those generations who were lost, believing themselves to be otherwise.
I am saddened for my own family generation back who did not get it right or have the opportunity to.
There is no where this is an issue more than in the Messianic community.

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There is no where this is an issue more than in the Messianic community.

That is unfortunate.

For the Messianics as well as the rest of us.

Unfortunate that people can be led down a yellow brick road by their belief, and yes faith, that their superiors could not possibly be wrong.

God is no respecter of persons and it is incumbent upon each to know where they are taught wrong, but up until the past 10 years or so that simply was not possible.

No TV, Radio, and I would guess limited news reporting and books on the subject. Many relying on those traveling preachers, or those who defected from other religions to start
a new one..... and no computer to research from.

They lived blindly and I had always thought if they followed their individual religions
that God would know they had no option and the brainwashing they got was not their fault .

Then it became the information age. No excuses but most still blindly followed the lead from the pulpit or the Sunday school lessons many attend. ::doh::

Example:

A woman I knew, member of the United Methodist Church, back in the 90's her husband died. After the funeral she asked me if I thought he had gone on to heaven.

I should have told her I had no idea but she was upset and so I said yes.

She replied to me ... "I guess he attended enough church."

To her, church attendance only was the ticket to the ride upward.

She now is dead herself and I never did know what either of them believed about Jesus.
Her son did believe... and he also attended church with the folks, or mom when dad didnt.

Another woman who walks and talks and prays and believes.... and only watches "Christian" TV and until health issues always went to her Baptist church every Sunday
and also played the piano for them.... immersed baptized ... She was very upset because her son... married to a Catholic girl ( non practicing) fell slowly away from attending weekly.

She absolutely believed he would not go to heaven by avoiding church.  Her minister suggested it was necessary.....

It just saddens me

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That is unfortunate.
For the Messianics as well as the rest of us.
In the Messianic community, our focus is on the Jewish population.  And for 2000 years the rabbis have been teaching their congregants that Yeshua/Jesus is a false Messiah, a foreign god, that scripture prohibits following.

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In the Messianic community, our focus is on the Jewish population.  And for 2000 years the rabbis have been teaching their congregants that Yeshua/Jesus is a false Messiah, a foreign god, that scripture prohibits following.

So does the blame fall on the congregant?

Hard working people  believing in their rabbis and having the faith that they are being taught correctly.... Is it their fault that they get it wrong?

Will God hold them accountable for following their traditions... or will He hold us accountable for the inability to help them understand?

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So does the blame fall on the congregant?
Hard working people  believing in their rabbis and having the faith that they are being taught correctly.... Is it their fault that they get it wrong?
Will God hold them accountable for following their traditions... or will He hold us accountable for the inability to help them understand?
Joel 2 says that "All who call on the name of the Lord will be saved."  It is quoted by Peter in Acts 2 and Paul in Romans.   

There is an ongoing debate in the Messianic community (how Jewish is that???) as to whether those Jews who honestly love and try to obey God the best they can; but believe their rabbis and reject Jesus/Yeshua are saved or not.  It frequently involves parents, siblings, even children. 

IOW, it hits very close to home.

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No reason to feel sorry for anyone, none of us know for certain which path is the correct one. Even on this forum very few agree on which path leads to salvation.

If a person places God first above all else, despite the idiosyncrasies of their denomination, they are at least going in the right direction.

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No reason to feel sorry for anyone, none of us know for certain which path is the correct one. Even on this forum very few agree on which path leads to salvation.

If a person places God first above all else, despite the idiosyncrasies of their denomination, they are at least going in the right direction.

Yes.   People often think the point of the parable of the Good Samaritan is "it's important to help others."   And that's part of the message.   The other part is that Jesus told His followers that it was better to emulate a heretical Samaritan who acted with compassion for others, than to emulate a theologically-correct Levite, who did not.

The saved one was the man who got everything wrong but the one thing that matters to God.

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The saved one was the man who got everything wrong but the one thing that matters to God.
Whether this guy was "saved" as we think of the term was not the point of the parable.

But it certainly should give one pause if we are relying on doctrinal correctness to get us thru.

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Him being saved was not the point of the story. He was the NEIGHBOR.

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But Jesus said to emulate him, in preference to a theologically-correct Levite.   There's the message.    It's not what club you're in; it's whether or not you do what God commands of you.    Detailed instructions in Matthew 25.