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Forgiveness Vs. Accountability
« on: July 15, 2009, 09:40:09 AM »
Where does one start and the other end? 

I've always believed strongly in both.  That we will be held accountable for every thought, action and deed. 

Romans 14:12
So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.


I also believe that with repentance, our sins are washed as white as snow, and that the Lord will not condemn us for them.

Hebrews 8:12
For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."


Hebrews 10:17
"Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more."


If we are forgiven, which sins will be "covered" by the blood of Christ and which will we be held accountable for?   For instance, is it the unknown sins that we haven't repented of that we will be held accountable for? 

My understanding is that we will be held accountable for ALL both known and unknown.

But if we ARE held accountable for all, then how are the sins that were washed away, and "remembered no more" still taken into account on the day of judgement? 

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Re: Forgiveness Vs. Accountability
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2009, 10:10:05 AM »
The first thing that comes to mind here is that we will be held accountable for not accepting Jesus as our Savior.
Joshua 1:9

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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2009, 10:34:36 AM »
Where does one start and the other end? 

I've always believed strongly in both.  That we will be held accountable for every thought, action and deed. 

Romans 14:12
So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.


I also believe that with repentance, our sins are washed as white as snow, and that the Lord will not condemn us for them.

Hebrews 8:12
For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."


Hebrews 10:17
"Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more."


If we are forgiven, which sins will be "covered" by the blood of Christ and which will we be held accountable for?   For instance, is it the unknown sins that we haven't repented of that we will be held accountable for? 

My understanding is that we will be held accountable for ALL both known and unknown.

But if we ARE held accountable for all, then how are the sins that were washed away, and "remembered no more" still taken into account on the day of judgement? 

There is to be a judgment of the dead at the great white throne that Christians of the first resurrection will never face. We are forgiven, but our works of righteousness are judged as to our walk in Christ.

Revelation 20:5-6 & 20:11-12.

The house of God is presently being judged as Christ walks among the candlesticks (churches) judging our works.

1 Peter 4:17  For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

In Revelation Chapters two and three you can read of those judgments as to our works, or lack of works of righteousness, and then it pertains to our reward.

1 Corinthians 3:12  Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1 Corinthians 3:13  Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1 Corinthians 3:14  If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
 
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2009, 10:59:19 AM »
There is to be a judgment of the dead at the great white throne that Christians of the first resurrection will never face. We are forgiven, but our works of righteousness are judged as to our walk in Christ.
In Jesus' name - larry2

I don't object to the fact that we will be judged and held accountable, nor the fact that Jesus has paid for our sins and forgives us our transgressions.  However, I just wonder where we draw the line sometimes.  I have the same thoughts when it comes to grace vs. works.

We are forgiven, but our works of righteousness are judged as to our walk in Christ.

It is nothing that I do that saves me, but the grace of God that does.  But our works of righteousness will still be judged so it's not entirely by grace we are saved because faith without works is dead.  Heh.  Does anyone else see where I'm coming from or am I just not making any sense here.

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2009, 11:41:29 AM »

sedux - It is nothing that I do that saves me, but the grace of God that does.  But our works of righteousness will still be judged so it's not entirely by grace we are saved because faith without works is dead.  Heh.  Does anyone else see where I'm coming from or am I just not making any sense here.

larry2 - I think you are considering when you meet the Lord that you will be judged for your walk with Him. You are being judged right now as to how you allow Him to work in your life. We are His work in progress, and when He comes for us, His reward is with Him, to give every man according as his work shall be. We're not going to face our Savior, the One that gave His very life for us in fear of judgment. That day will be when we hear "Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.   
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2009, 12:46:51 PM »
larry2 - I think you are considering when you meet the Lord that you will be judged for your walk with Him. You are being judged right now as to how you allow Him to work in your life. We are His work in progress, and when He comes for us, His reward is with Him, to give every man according as his work shall be. We're not going to face our Savior, the One that gave His very life for us in fear of judgment. That day will be when we hear "Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.   
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Thank you for explaining that to me!  I think I grasp it now!  ::blushing::  Sorry it took so long lol!

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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2009, 05:39:28 AM »
Jesus also said in Matthew 12:36-37 - "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgement.  For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."
 So to me, of course Jesus already died for our sins, and we were forgiven 2,000 yrs. before we were even born, but at the same time, that doesn't give us the right to go out and do whatever we want to.  Jesus says several times that it isn't what goes into the man, but what comes out that defiles us.  So, while we are forgiven, Praise Jesus for that, we must also be accountable for what we do while here on earth.  As Jesus said to Peter in Matthew 16:19 - "And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
John 8:32 - "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free."

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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2009, 02:01:32 PM »


   As I understand( I am w/out help if i am wrong,)  that we account to JESUS for our wrong doing,not in a weight and measured way, but simply and strictly account and then as promised because of our faith and because of HIS love for us GOD forgives us.
 Thank you JESUS,AMEN.
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2009, 11:41:20 PM »
larry2 - I think you are considering when you meet the Lord that you will be judged for your walk with Him. You are being judged right now as to how you allow Him to work in your life. We are His work in progress, and when He comes for us, His reward is with Him, to give every man according as his work shall be. We're not going to face our Savior, the One that gave His very life for us in fear of judgment. That day will be when we hear "Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.  
::clappingoverhead::
In Jesus' name - larry2

Thank you for explaining that to me!  I think I grasp it now!  ::blushing::  Sorry it took so long lol!
rofl  You may be sorry - You may be the only one to ever grasp anything I've                                          attempted to say,   ::smile::

           In Jesus' name - larry2


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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2009, 09:22:50 AM »
In re: OPxt

Paul's thrust throughout Romans is that God intends - yea, has - to reconcile the entire world (not just Israel) to Himself. This thought runs throughout the book and is behind everything he says. In context, the same is true. The cited Romans text is talking about judging others. The idea is don't get too far down that road because we are all going to give account of ourselves to God.

I doubt highly that this is a litany of individual sins by everyone who has ever lived, but rather the import is that we all are accountable to God. And because we all are, we shouldn't be too hasty to evaluate one another - especially Jew and Gentile.

To my mind, the Romans passage isn't teaching that we will confess some great list of sins - or a partial one. Only that we all stand accountable before God. The good news in Paul, as well as Romans, is that the fidelity of Jesus has resulted in jus being justified before God.
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