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We all have flaws.   Mr. Floyd seems to have had a huge one.    Doesn't justify his murder.    Since he was cuffed and restrained by several other officers, he presented no danger to the officer who killed him.     And he repeatedly said he couldn't breathe even as the officer was kneeling on his neck.    There's no excuse for that.   


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We all have flaws.   Mr. Floyd seems to have had a huge one.    Doesn't justify his murder.    Since he was cuffed and restrained by several other officers, he presented no danger to the officer who killed him.     And he repeatedly said he couldn't breathe even as the officer was kneeling on his neck.    There's no excuse for that.   

I don't think anyone here disagrees with that. We all stumble and sin - and hopefully repent. Where some of us seem to have issues is making him out to be a godly man who was "peaceful" and a "mentor" to young men - while at the same time making rapey porn movies, committing crimes including holding a gun to a pregnant woman's belly, and a hardcore drug addict. If that kind of guy is a "mentor" to young men, no matter their color, then we're in deep trouble. In my opinion, it's an insult to the black community to hold him up as a "mentor to young men" and "peaceful."
BTW, he made the rapey porn movies after he moved to Minnesota - supposedly, after turning his life around.
And for people who don't know, unless someone is a very wealthy person, he/she cannot support the type of drug habit Mr. Floyd evidently possessed without criminal activity. Working as a security guard doesn't pay the bills and support that heavy of a drug load.

Question-
Should a child molesting priest/pastor/preacher be referred to as a godly, humble, peaceful man just because he shows up and prays?
When Jerry Sandusky dies, should we write up glowing articles about how he was a devout Methodist, so just ignore that he sexually molested boys?
Infamous bank robber, Pretty Boy Floyd, proclaimed to be a Christian and even attended church services between heists. Maybe he was trying to turn his life around? IDK

Yes, we all have flaws, but come on - we need to stop the glorification of criminals.











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I don't think anyone here disagrees with that. We all stumble and sin - and hopefully repent. Where some of us seem to have issues is making him out to be a godly man who was "peaceful" and a "mentor" to young men - while at the same time making rapey porn movies, committing crimes including holding a gun to a pregnant woman's belly, and a hardcore drug addict. If that kind of guy is a "mentor" to young men, no matter their color, then we're in deep trouble. In my opinion, it's an insult to the black community to hold him up as a "mentor to young men" and "peaceful."
BTW, he made the rapey porn movies after he moved to Minnesota - supposedly, after turning his life around.
And for people who don't know, unless someone is a very wealthy person, he/she cannot support the type of drug habit Mr. Floyd evidently possessed without criminal activity. Working as a security guard doesn't pay the bills and support that heavy of a drug load.

Question-
Should a child molesting priest/pastor/preacher be referred to as a godly, humble, peaceful man just because he shows up and prays?
When Jerry Sandusky dies, should we write up glowing articles about how he was a devout Methodist, so just ignore that he sexually molested boys?
Infamous bank robber, Pretty Boy Floyd, proclaimed to be a Christian and even attended church services between heists. Maybe he was trying to turn his life around? IDK

Yes, we all have flaws, but come on - we need to stop the glorification of criminals.

If Jerry Sandusky dies and also Bill Cosby there is plenty online to read about their deeds.

You posted similar to this before

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while at the same time making rapey porn movies, committing crimes including holding a gun to a pregnant woman's belly, and a hardcore drug addict. If that kind of guy is a "mentor" to young men, no matter their color, then we're in deep trouble. In my opinion, it's an insult to the black community to hold him up as a "mentor to young men" and "peaceful."
BTW, he made the rapey porn movies after he moved to Minnesota - supposedly, after turning his life around.

So I went to look for it as you did not post a link.

I found a page of links about how he had changed his life. And some I posted.

Where are the links about his lifestyle?Especially about the porn in Minnesota.

If you are correct, and I have no reason to doubt you are...

YES.. God would have him stoned. This seems a lesser evil to end an evil life.


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Where did anyone get the information that Floyd was hardened drug addict? Both meth and fentanyl are cheap street drugs, anyone could afford to use them casually. 

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I agree. No one is saying he deserved it, or that the cops knee on his neck didn't finish him off, or that the cop shouldn't be punished - no one is saying that at all. Not reading minds, but IMO, I think the cop wanted him dead at that moment and made it happen and he should be punished for it.
However, we'd be remiss to not bring up that our sins, addictions, lawlessness can bring about an earlier demise than if we hadn't been engaged in such behavior. It's only common sense, is it not?
I've mentioned him before, but my uncle (who was a year younger than me) was out of prison (long rap sheet), high as usual, in his truck with a gun, running from the cops when he met his death. Did he deserve to die? No. Did his decision to get wasted and get a gun and run from the cops lead to his death? Yes. I realize Mr. Floyd didn't have a gun on him so the circumstances are a bit different, but the same principle applies - drug addiction and crime can lead to an early death.

I'm going to have to disagree with you.  While yes; early deaths can result in our past or present sins, I don't see how that relates to the death of George Floyd.  Floyd's death, was the result of systematic racism against blacks, which has been ingrained in America for years.  Plain and simple.   

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Where did anyone get the information that Floyd was hardened drug addict? Both meth and fentanyl are cheap street drugs, anyone could afford to use them casually.

You must not have watched the Candace Owens video or seen his prison record.

As far as meth and fentanyl being cheap, yes.  But they are not casual drugs.

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You must not have watched the Candace Owens video

What I know of her and have listened to.... I love her! She highly intelligent and a very quick thinker a POWERFUL little lioness which this Senator soon found out when he went barking up a tree and got more than he wanted~a powerful little lioness came down on him and eat him alive the likes you would be hard press to find even men capable of doing this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLBp1S0_TNA

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Floyd's death, was the result of systematic racism against blacks, which has been ingrained in America for years.  Plain and simple.

Well, it's nice to know you are a mind reader. We need more of them in the world.

BTW, they refer to it as "systemic" racism, not "systematic" racism.  ::sarcasm::

So how is it you know the exact motive and mindset of the cop who killed George Floyd?

There are other reasons he could have wanted him dead that had nothing to do with his color-

Maybe the cop was just sick and tired of criminals fighting back when in the process of arresting them for a crime - and snapped.
Maybe there was a grudge, or something nefarious between the two men (they worked at the same nightclub).
Maybe the cop had an anger issue from something/someone totally different and Floyd triggered it that day.


It's actually pretty racist of you to claim Floyd was definitely killed due to racism just because the cop is white and the man being arrested was black.

Until more comes out on this story, it's impossible to be certain of the cop's motive. Maybe the killing was racially motivated, but maybe it wasn't.

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You must not have watched the Candace Owens video or seen his prison record.

As far as meth and fentanyl being cheap, yes.  But they are not casual drugs.


I don't question that Floyd was a user but his lifestyle was not necessarily conducive to that of an addict, especially fentanyl and meth. I could be wrong but I haven't seen any evidence stating that he was a hardcore drug addict.

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Well, it's nice to know you are a mind reader. We need more of them in the world.

BTW, they refer to it as "systemic" racism, not "systematic" racism.  ::sarcasm::

So how is it you know the exact motive and mindset of the cop who killed George Floyd?

There are other reasons he could have wanted him dead that had nothing to do with his color-

Maybe the cop was just sick and tired of criminals fighting back when in the process of arresting them for a crime - and snapped.
Maybe there was a grudge, or something nefarious between the two men (they worked at the same nightclub).
Maybe the cop had an anger issue from something/someone totally different and Floyd triggered it that day.


It's actually pretty racist of you to claim Floyd was definitely killed due to racism just because the cop is white and the man being arrested was black.

Until more comes out on this story, it's impossible to be certain of the cop's motive. Maybe the killing was racially motivated, but maybe it wasn't.


Definitely lots of information needed before anyone can offer an accurate analysis of the event, all we can do at this point is observe the evidence and offer up opinion. That said, I believe the situation escalated when the cops were trying to bring Floyd to the ground, the video showed him resisting somewhat but not to the extent that the officers deemed necessary. He really should have only been handcuffed and placed in the car since the police had absolutely no idea if Floyd knew he was passing a bad bill or was also a victim of counterfeit exchange, that is for the courts to decide after charges are laid.

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I don't see how that relates to the death of George Floyd.  Floyd's death, was the result of systematic racism against blacks, which has been ingrained in America for years.  Plain and simple.
George Floyd's death is something that just happened, a few factors could be as to why he died~yet, the truth may never come out.  The police officer obviously was on a power trip~something that is always a possibility.  George's death I believe was for the most part due to what he had in his body that was totally unknown to the officers and between the two he died. He was not purposely killed, yet could have been prevented by BOTH SIDES~Geroge not having the amount of drugs in his body and the officer handling the arrest differently without overly using force. But I do not believe that the average man would have died if NO DRUGS were in his system.

 

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I don't question that Floyd was a user but his lifestyle was not necessarily conducive to that of an addict, especially fentanyl and meth. I could be wrong but I haven't seen any evidence stating that he was a hardcore drug addict.
Fentanyl addicts build up a tolerance to the drug and require larger doses to get the desired effect. The amount of fentanyl alone in his system would be fatal to people who have not built up a tolerance to it. He was no "casual" user of fentanyl.

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There is a plus for all of this.

It has stopped the pandemic talk, for a while

But time to get back to it and might calm the riots........




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Just listening to our local talk radio in Greenville this morning...

Has anyone else heard that the Minneapolis police code has actually permitted and TRAINED for restraint neck holds that deliberately render the one arrested unconscious?  The cop involved was simply following the manual.  Happened already in 67 cases, I think I heard, but so far, no people restrained in this fashion died yet.   

I didn’t catch the number of the code section, but maybe someone else can research this?  Unless Minneapolis manages to squelch this information before it goes viral.  I believe the news reported is that 8 counties in California also had the same neck restraint tactic permitted, but have withdrawn it since this fiasco erupted. 

And another thing that is not commonly being reported is the races represented by the 4 cops involved in this incident.  One white, one black, one Hispanic, one Asian.  Racism my Aunt Fannie.

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George Floyd's death is something that just happened, a few factors could be as to why he died~yet, the truth may never come out.  The police officer obviously was on a power trip~something that is always a possibility.  George's death I believe was for the most part due to what he had in his body that was totally unknown to the officers and between the two he died. He was not purposely killed, yet could have been prevented by BOTH SIDES~Geroge not having the amount of drugs in his body and the officer handling the arrest differently without overly using force. But I do not believe that the average man would have died if NO DRUGS were in his system.
Let me add one more thought~a man, or woman being a person that is rational, reasonable, and fair, would NEVER have a chance of serving on this jury. I have yet to serve on my first one. I'm one of the first ones that is always dismissed. They ask me a few, and I mean few questions and then say thank you Mr. Baker you are dismissed. If I was on this jury based on what I have read (and everyone has) the officers would not be held accountable for murder in any degree. Punished yes, but no murder charges~ they are totally unwarrantable. They did not know that what they had on their hands was a walking timebomb on the very edge of death. I believe a good average lawyer will get those charges to drop to a much lesser charge~but charge they will be, more so, to clam the people down. But Antifa will not ever be pacified until this nation becomes a socialistic nation, and then only if Christians are targeted to silence them.
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Just listening to our local talk radio in Greenville this morning...

Has anyone else heard that the Minneapolis police code has actually permitted and TRAINED for restraint neck holds that deliberately render the one arrested unconscious?  The cop involved was simply following the manual.  Happened already in 67 cases, I think I heard, but so far, no people restrained in this fashion died yet.   

I didn’t catch the number of the code section, but maybe someone else can research this?  Unless Minneapolis manages to squelch this information before it goes viral.  I believe the news reported is that 8 counties in California also had the same neck restraint tactic permitted, but have withdrawn it since this fiasco erupted. 

And another thing that is not commonly being reported is the races represented by the 4 cops involved in this incident.  One white, one black, one Hispanic, one Asian.  Racism my Aunt Fannie.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minneapolis-police-rendered-44-people-unconscious-neck-restraints-five-years-n1220416

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I don't question that Floyd was a user but his lifestyle was not necessarily conducive to that of an addict, especially fentanyl and meth. I could be wrong but I haven't seen any evidence stating that he was a hardcore drug addict.

Media isn't reporting his arrest record.  The guy had multiple past convictions for cocaine possession.  Addiction is a hard beast to get past. 

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Before my son became an RN, he worked several years as a convenience store clerk - overnights, by himself, in the roughest part of the city. Many times he came in contact with hopped up drug addicts. Most were non-violent while in the store even though their behavior could be shameful. However, some were violent (one to the point of an armed robbery while he was the only employee there). He told me once that a certain drug (can't remember for sure, PCP??) gave them superhuman strength. He watched a cop use the neck hold on the armed robber he couldn't keep on the ground. He said the guy was prone with his hands cuffed behind his back and popped up on his feet, when that's supposed to be impossible, but the PCP or whatever gave him some sort of bizarre superhuman strength. The cop ended up using the neck hold to keep him down. (Not saying neck holds are a great tool that should be used whenever, but in situations where an armed robber can't be kept on the ground, I could see it being used)

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Thanks for providing the link, TC.  I caught the news item on the run, so I’m glad to stand corrected on the numbers.  Knew one of you news-savvy guys would have heard something one way or the other.

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Media isn't reporting his arrest record.  The guy had multiple past convictions for cocaine possession.  Addiction is a hard beast to get past.


One gram is hardly an addiction if we're going on his arrest records.

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One gram is hardly an addiction if we're going on his arrest records.

Arrest records.
Tolerance to drugs.
Damage to body.

Think it all adds up.  That and MPD having that particular neck move in the department handbook leads me to believe that the trial is not going to have a great outcome.