GCM Home | Your Posts | Rules | DONATE | Bookstore | RSS | Facebook | Twitter | FAQs


Author Topic: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren  (Read 1116 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Gracey

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 233
  • Manna: 9
  • Learning as I go
    • View Profile
Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 12:59:22 »
Like many others, I was horrified and horribly saddened to read of the death of Rick Warren's son.  Tragic enough to lose a child, but almost unbelievably horrific to lose a child and know that it was their choice.

I have seen some of Rick's posts since the death of his son, on Facebook and Twitter and it's made me wonder!  He has been extremely public about his loss, sharing his agony with the world.  But is grieving something which should be done in private?  Is doing it so publicly, just a way of coping with the immediate shock and horror?  Or will there come a point when he and his family need to hunker down in private and deal with this devastating loss?

Personally, when I'm in pain, I simply 'disappear' and isolate myself (apart from a few trusted people who are able to see me at my most raw), until I am ready to face the world again.  But everyone is different!

For the Warren family, I hope and pray that it IS possible to grieve publicly and thus, be able to heal.

What do you think?

Christian Forums and Message Board

Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 12:59:22 »

Offline JohnDB

  • The Force
  • *********
  • Posts: 117605
  • Manna: 192
  • Gender: Male
  • scarey isn't it?
    • View Profile
Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #1 on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 13:03:52 »
There is a book...


It is called "Tear Soup".


and it is a very poetic and symbolic explanation of how people grieve.


And considering the extreme public person Rick Warren is...he will choose to grieve as publicly as possible.


Everyone is different and does things in a different manner. No telling what is going on behind the scenes.

Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #1 on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 13:03:52 »

Offline Johnb

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 11656
  • Manna: 169
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #2 on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 13:40:37 »
JohnDB  Good point I agree.  We are agreeing a lot lately I am begining to wonder if we are related. ::smile:: 

Offline Red Baker

  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 4821
  • Manna: 86
  • Gender: Male
  • Galatians 2:16~Justifed by the faith of Christ
    • View Profile
Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #3 on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 13:57:54 »
Like many others, I was horrified and horribly saddened to read of the death of Rick Warren's son.  Tragic enough to lose a child, but almost unbelievably horrific to lose a child and know that it was their choice.

I have seen some of Rick's posts since the death of his son, on Facebook and Twitter and it's made me wonder!  He has been extremely public about his loss, sharing his agony with the world.  But is grieving something which should be done in private?  Is doing it so publicly, just a way of coping with the immediate shock and horror?  Or will there come a point when he and his family need to hunker down in private and deal with this devastating loss?

Personally, when I'm in pain, I simply 'disappear' and isolate myself (apart from a few trusted people who are able to see me at my most raw), until I am ready to face the world again.  But everyone is different!

For the Warren family, I hope and pray that it IS possible to grieve publicly and thus, be able to heal.

What do you think?

Gracey,

My thoughts~I would guess he is doing both. I cannot imagine that he is not grieving greatly in private. 

RB

Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #3 on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 13:57:54 »

Offline Lively Stone

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17265
  • Manna: 513
    • View Profile
Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #4 on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 14:15:19 »
And considering the extreme public person Rick Warren is...he will choose to grieve as publicly as possible.



I find this to be a hostile statement.

Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #4 on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 14:15:19 »



Offline chosenone

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 29332
  • Manna: 523
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #5 on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 14:17:12 »
Like many others, I was horrified and horribly saddened to read of the death of Rick Warren's son.  Tragic enough to lose a child, but almost unbelievably horrific to lose a child and know that it was their choice.

I have seen some of Rick's posts since the death of his son, on Facebook and Twitter and it's made me wonder!  He has been extremely public about his loss, sharing his agony with the world.  But is grieving something which should be done in private?  Is doing it so publicly, just a way of coping with the immediate shock and horror?  Or will there come a point when he and his family need to hunker down in private and deal with this devastating loss?

Personally, when I'm in pain, I simply 'disappear' and isolate myself (apart from a few trusted people who are able to see me at my most raw), until I am ready to face the world again.  But everyone is different!

For the Warren family, I hope and pray that it IS possible to grieve publicly and thus, be able to heal.

What do you think?
  Gracey
I think its his decision as to how he grieves really. No one has to read his twitters of course. I don't have twitter as I cant see the point of it, but maybe what he says will help others (like myself) who have also lost someone very close through suicide. Suicide is a horrible thing, and tends to be kept hidden and not talked about, so for many who have suffered such a loss it can be a very dark and lonely experience. This may just help them to know that someone else understands how terrible it is, and how those left suffer so terribly. I think this is especially true of believers, because apparently believers are supposed to be always full of joy and happy and never suffer from depression or mental illness. ::eek::
I wish someone like him had been around when I lost my special person in that way 27 years ago.

Offline Lively Stone

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17265
  • Manna: 513
    • View Profile
Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #6 on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 14:18:59 »
Like many others, I was horrified and horribly saddened to read of the death of Rick Warren's son.  Tragic enough to lose a child, but almost unbelievably horrific to lose a child and know that it was their choice.

I have seen some of Rick's posts since the death of his son, on Facebook and Twitter and it's made me wonder!  He has been extremely public about his loss, sharing his agony with the world.  But is grieving something which should be done in private?  Is doing it so publicly, just a way of coping with the immediate shock and horror?  Or will there come a point when he and his family need to hunker down in private and deal with this devastating loss?

Personally, when I'm in pain, I simply 'disappear' and isolate myself (apart from a few trusted people who are able to see me at my most raw), until I am ready to face the world again.  But everyone is different!

For the Warren family, I hope and pray that it IS possible to grieve publicly and thus, be able to heal.

What do you think?

Rick and Kay and his family are deeply grieving in private, just as everyone does. What they choose to share is with the Body of Christ and it is a healthy way to overcome grief by sharing it with those who desire to help carry the load. That is what the Body of Christ does.

Offline JohnDB

  • The Force
  • *********
  • Posts: 117605
  • Manna: 192
  • Gender: Male
  • scarey isn't it?
    • View Profile
Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #7 on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 14:23:37 »
Like many others, I was horrified and horribly saddened to read of the death of Rick Warren's son.  Tragic enough to lose a child, but almost unbelievably horrific to lose a child and know that it was their choice.

I have seen some of Rick's posts since the death of his son, on Facebook and Twitter and it's made me wonder!  He has been extremely public about his loss, sharing his agony with the world.  But is grieving something which should be done in private?  Is doing it so publicly, just a way of coping with the immediate shock and horror?  Or will there come a point when he and his family need to hunker down in private and deal with this devastating loss?

Personally, when I'm in pain, I simply 'disappear' and isolate myself (apart from a few trusted people who are able to see me at my most raw), until I am ready to face the world again.  But everyone is different!

For the Warren family, I hope and pray that it IS possible to grieve publicly and thus, be able to heal.

What do you think?

Rick and Kay and his family are deeply grieving in private, just as everyone does. What they choose to share is with the Body of Christ and it is a healthy way to overcome grief by sharing it with those who desire to help carry the load. That is what the Body of Christ does.


Quit vacillating and just being obstinate.


Pick a position and hold that ONE... rofl




How can I be said to be hostile to Rick Warren one minute by saying that he will grieve publicly one minute and then you defending that public sharing of grief the next?




You are kind of full of something today...
« Last Edit: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 14:27:32 by JohnDB »

Offline Lively Stone

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17265
  • Manna: 513
    • View Profile
Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #8 on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 15:32:33 »
Saying that Rick Warren will choose to grieve AS PUBLICALLY AS POSSIBLE, is a hurling criticism.

Offline chosenone

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 29332
  • Manna: 523
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #9 on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 16:27:26 »
Lets get back to topic.

Offline Mog19

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 714
  • Manna: 24
  • Gender: Female
  • (T)ogether (E)veryone (A)chieves (M)ore
    • View Profile
Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #10 on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 16:28:34 »
My heart and prayers to out to rick and his family. I pray that The Lord will bring them comfort and strength in the coming months.

Of course rick and his family are grieving in private.  I think if it helps Rick in his grief to share his sorrow on twitter or Facebook then that's fine, people who follow His on these sites obviously care to some extent and are able to offer words of comfort to him.
Even in biblical times people tore their clothes etc in their grief, and I'm pretty sure people would have seen this, so it seems that the person(s) did it in public. 

I don't think it's fair to say that just because he is famous that he will grieve in public, for whatever reason.  Surely it would be kinder just to say "I hope he finds comfort"???

Offline JohnDB

  • The Force
  • *********
  • Posts: 117605
  • Manna: 192
  • Gender: Male
  • scarey isn't it?
    • View Profile
Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #11 on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 17:04:18 »
Saying that Rick Warren will choose to grieve AS PUBLICALLY AS POSSIBLE, is a hurling criticism.


Hummm?


Flame baiting possibly?


Offline Lively Stone

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17265
  • Manna: 513
    • View Profile
Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #12 on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 17:10:17 »
My heart and prayers to out to rick and his family. I pray that The Lord will bring them comfort and strength in the coming months.

Of course rick and his family are grieving in private.  I think if it helps Rick in his grief to share his sorrow on twitter or Facebook then that's fine, people who follow His on these sites obviously care to some extent and are able to offer words of comfort to him.
Even in biblical times people tore their clothes etc in their grief, and I'm pretty sure people would have seen this, so it seems that the person(s) did it in public. 

I don't think it's fair to say that just because he is famous that he will grieve in public, for whatever reason.  Surely it would be kinder just to say "I hope he finds comfort"???

I agree. Well put, mog!  ::tippinghat::

Offline chosenone

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 29332
  • Manna: 523
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #13 on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 17:24:11 »
As people cant keep to the topic, despite my polite request, I am locking this thread.

Offline JohnDB

  • The Force
  • *********
  • Posts: 117605
  • Manna: 192
  • Gender: Male
  • scarey isn't it?
    • View Profile
Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #14 on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 18:31:50 »
Since the topic is on topic and not suffering from drift...unlocking

Offline MeMyself

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15210
  • Manna: 365
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #15 on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 18:46:44 »
My heart and prayers to out to rick and his family. I pray that The Lord will bring them comfort and strength in the coming months.

Of course rick and his family are grieving in private.  I think if it helps Rick in his grief to share his sorrow on twitter or Facebook then that's fine, people who follow His on these sites obviously care to some extent and are able to offer words of comfort to him.
Even in biblical times people tore their clothes etc in their grief, and I'm pretty sure people would have seen this, so it seems that the person(s) did it in public. 

I don't think it's fair to say that just because he is famous that he will grieve in public, for whatever reason.  Surely it would be kinder just to say "I hope he finds comfort"???

I agree. Well put, mog!  ::tippinghat::

I also agree!

Sometimes it helps people to process what they are going through by writing and sharing with others.

This tragedy is theirs and they have every right to process it and grieve through it as they see fit.

I am sure they are trying to give some purpose to their pain and are grieving publicly in the fervent hope that someone might benefit from what they share in some way.

Offline JohnDB

  • The Force
  • *********
  • Posts: 117605
  • Manna: 192
  • Gender: Male
  • scarey isn't it?
    • View Profile
Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #16 on: Fri Apr 19, 2013 - 18:56:08 »
People usually share their grief.

It doesn't matter what it is they are grieving.

The loss of a loved one/family member is one most people will share with as many people as the griever can tell.

When you are a public figure your facebook posts & tweets will reflect your grief.

Offline Mog19

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 714
  • Manna: 24
  • Gender: Female
  • (T)ogether (E)veryone (A)chieves (M)ore
    • View Profile
Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #17 on: Sat Apr 20, 2013 - 06:14:34 »
People usually share their grief.

It doesn't matter what it is they are grieving.

The loss of a loved one/family member is one most people will share with as many people as the griever can tell.

When you are a public figure your facebook posts & tweets will reflect your grief.

 ::nodding::

People post all kind of things on social sites, if they have eaten a nice meal,  had a hard day at work, are having a really happy day... Lots of things.
The very fact that Rick is "famous" for what he does means that he will have many followers.  As fellow Christians these people can share in Ricks grief.  when someone dies, we all feel a sense of loss and compassion for their family.
In writing on the sites, Rick is helping himself and others to come to terms with their loss.

Offline JohnDB

  • The Force
  • *********
  • Posts: 117605
  • Manna: 192
  • Gender: Male
  • scarey isn't it?
    • View Profile
Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #18 on: Sat Apr 20, 2013 - 07:08:20 »
People usually share their grief.

It doesn't matter what it is they are grieving.

The loss of a loved one/family member is one most people will share with as many people as the griever can tell.

When you are a public figure your facebook posts & tweets will reflect your grief.

 ::nodding::

People post all kind of things on social sites, if they have eaten a nice meal,  had a hard day at work, are having a really happy day... Lots of things.
The very fact that Rick is "famous" for what he does means that he will have many followers.  As fellow Christians these people can share in Ricks grief.  when someone dies, we all feel a sense of loss and compassion for their family.
In writing on the sites, Rick is helping himself and others to come to terms with their loss.


Then how is it a criticism to say that he will grieve publicly...when that is precisely what everyone does?


Everyone I know that has grieved tells everyone their grief. Just because a person is famous doesn't make the actions any different than any one of my friends or acquaintances. When you are famous your actions speak to a larger group of people.


It is public...very public when you are famous. It doesn't matter the age of a child the parents will always grieve their loss.


That being said...most public figures choose to tell their grief in a very personal way face to face with those around them. For reasons I have no idea about. Rick has chosen something different. I don't know if it is better or worse...I am not judging as I don't know what it is like to be that famous.


A friend of mine whom I have followed over the past ten years...
She finally got married to a wonderful husband and they were the picture of happiness. Both of them rather physically attractive with wonderfully warm and inviting personalities. Everyone was so happy for them. She had waited so long after her divorce.
The worst happened to them. He got cancer. He recently passed after a long and gruelling battle with it.


Every post she makes on facebook(for the last 6 months) is about her depression and mourning the loss of her husband.


I can't blame her. I don't blame her. She is behaving normally and expectedly.


I can hardly wait for the day that she is happy once again. I wish I could do something to ease her pain and loss. I think that she wishes that someone could ease her pain and loss too.
We can't.
Time can.
But until the day comes...she is going to continue to post about her grief and loss and depression.
And as a friend...I'll just listen. Its all I can do.

Offline Lively Stone

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17265
  • Manna: 513
    • View Profile
Re: Grieving in public or private - Rick Warren
« Reply #19 on: Sat Apr 20, 2013 - 08:53:07 »
People usually share their grief.

It doesn't matter what it is they are grieving.

The loss of a loved one/family member is one most people will share with as many people as the griever can tell.

When you are a public figure your facebook posts & tweets will reflect your grief.

 ::nodding::

People post all kind of things on social sites, if they have eaten a nice meal,  had a hard day at work, are having a really happy day... Lots of things.
The very fact that Rick is "famous" for what he does means that he will have many followers.  As fellow Christians these people can share in Ricks grief.  when someone dies, we all feel a sense of loss and compassion for their family.
In writing on the sites, Rick is helping himself and others to come to terms with their loss.

That's exactly it. Rick is a fortunate person to have thousands of followers who will encourage and pray and offer words of comfort and hope. He doesn't go out of his way to mourn publically. He certainly isn't a sad sack, but he is operating in the strength that God gives him and is a testament to that, thus helping others who grieve by example! He's a wonderful man used by God.

 

     
anything