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Have you ever had a numinous experience?
« on: July 05, 2013, 07:40:56 AM »
I found out what a "numinous experience" is after I had one, and then told my theologian friend, and he defined it with that term.  I have had others too, but they are rare.  I don't know, maybe I'm separating different intensities of the same thing: feeling God is with you. 
EDIT: The stronger intensities I have experienced are rare for me, whereas the milder ones are fairly common.

In the Bible, people fell on or hid their faces when they knew they were in the presence of Almighty God.  But other times in the Bible, the experience seems to have been less strong. 

So, I guess what I'm asking is, is there anyone else here who has had one of those nearly-overpowering experiences of being suddenly in the presence of God?  In my experience, there are a few things that seem to accompany this type of experience.  To describe the experience as a whole: I become immediately aware of my own tininess.  As a direct result of this feeling, I then feel as though I cannot speak.  This feeling is ALMOST as if I should not speak -- but not quite.  To better explain, at the same time as feeling forcefully (and I mean REALLY forcefully) humbled by His presence -- almost like being pushed down, but not in a physical sense -- I also feel His welcoming love, and His full willingness to hear my heart.  It's just that the presence of God is so great, so powerful, that it's as if He is filling all of the communication space Himself.

No physical sign has accompanied the numinous experiences I have had.  I just become immediately aware -- without knowing how -- that God is powerfully and undeniably there with me.  And the impression that makes on me cannot be overstated.  It is a special time in which faith is not required, for He is RIGHT THERE, PERIOD, and there simply is no denying it.  No lack of faith could blind anyone to the level of presentness I'm talking about.

His presence is incredibly warm and comforting, but it is also accompanied by a kind of fear, a strong sense of my own inadequacy--as if He Himself must prevent me, and does so, from falling to pieces from sheer awe of Him, and from the visceral sense of my own worthlessness.  And these experiences always bring silent tears.

EDIT: Another thing about these powerful experiences is that they generally come out of nowhere, not when I'm praying or during a momentous event, but rather, God intervenes in His own time.  He suddenly displaces all my other thoughts, and makes Himself known in my spirit.  I would describe my emotion as being similar to that in the passage Gen 28:16-17, which says, "And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he said, 'Surely the Lord is in this place; and I knew it not.' And he was afraid, and said, 'How dreadful is this place! this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.' "
My numinous experiences have those same thoughts and emotions minus the aspect of a specific place.

Has anyone else here experienced this overpowering presence of God?  Please share your experiences.
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Re: Have you ever had a numinous experience?
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2013, 09:05:44 AM »
This is not as rare as we think it is. The corpus of Christian spiritual writing, especially the Western and Eastern "mystics," as well as more modern monks report such encounters. Others, more modern and more accessible to modern Westerners also report similar events. I have had similar and dissimilar experiences but I will not describe them publically in this forum.

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Re: Have you ever had a numinous experience?
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2013, 10:47:04 AM »
Has anyone else here experienced this overpowering presence of God?  Please share your experiences.


Sad to say... I have not.

No doubt, I'm not worthy of such communion.



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Re: Have you ever had a numinous experience?
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2013, 11:39:15 AM »
Has anyone else here experienced this overpowering presence of God?  Please share your experiences.


Sad to say... I have not.

No doubt, I'm not worthy of such communion.





There isn't a human alive who is.  There's even a part of me, during these numinous experiences, that says, "This isn't right. Get me out of here! I can't be here!" and also a constant thought racing through my head, "I am nothing. I am nothing. I am nothing.", a creature's reaction to The Creator reflecting his position relative to God's. It's the feeling of the "no one can see God and live" principle from Scripture.  On Mount Sinai, God mercifully protected Moses from His full glory: "And he said, 'Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.' And the Lord said, 'Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.' "
(Ex 33:20-23)
Similarly, He protects us today when He visits us in these incredibly powerful ways.

For me, it is an uncomfortable event, and yet beloved as well.  It is uncomfortable because God Himself is almost TOO obviously present for me to bear, because I am a tiny creature and a sinner.
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Re: Have you ever had a numinous experience?
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2013, 12:53:00 PM »
Has anyone else here experienced this overpowering presence of God?  Please share your experiences.


Sad to say... I have not.

No doubt, I'm not worthy of such communion.




Worthiness has nothing to do with it, if by "worthy" we mean meriting it ourselves. On the other hand, we are "worthy" of a variety of things because God loves us. Some experience miraculous healings; others do not. Some experiences financial boons after sacrificial giving; others do not. There is no difference in these peoples' worthiness.
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Re: Have you ever had a numinous experience?
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2013, 03:13:50 PM »
Has anyone else here experienced this overpowering presence of God?  Please share your experiences.


Sad to say... I have not.

No doubt, I'm not worthy of such communion.




Worthiness has nothing to do with it, if by "worthy" we mean meriting it ourselves. On the other hand, we are "worthy" of a variety of things because God loves us. Some experience miraculous healings; others do not. Some experiences financial boons after sacrificial giving; others do not. There is no difference in these peoples' worthiness.


If that's the case, then I'm in the "others do not" category.
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Re: Have you ever had a numinous experience?
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2013, 07:30:18 AM »
I have experienced HIS presence in various ways, too numerous to list in toto.

I have seen HIM on his throne (face hidden by bright light) and I have heard an audible voice, among others. Some were sweet and comforting (like when I woke up in an ambulance after a car crash) and some were rather chastening (like the audible voice)

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Re: Have you ever had a numinous experience?
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2013, 09:31:33 AM »
I have had similar and dissimilar experiences but I will not describe them publically in this forum.

And it should be understood and respected (I could have mentioned earlier) that many Christians will feel the same way. This is an extraordinarily personal experience, and it should not be expected that it be shared here.  Many will understandably decline to do so.
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Re: Have you ever had a numinous experience?
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2013, 04:28:48 AM »
I have experienced this a few times. I am usually casually talking to God like he's my friend because he is and then in the middle of one of my sentences I suddenly feel like he is nose to nose with me, not in a threatening way but a very close, loving way. My sentence trails off and I am usually startled and in complete awe. My first thought is, "He's real, he's real!!" even though I knew he was real before the experience but in that moment there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that he exists and that he loves me. I too feel very humbled and feel the need to repent but then I feel like Jesus doesn't want me to, he just wants me to receive this beautiful blessing. Even though I feel a little bit afraid, I also feel very calm without my choosing to be. It is a good feeling. It encompasses my thoughts and I can't think of anything else. In that moment I feel like God sees right through me and knows me, everything about me and he loves me. It's like Jesus is reminding me that he is always with me and will never leave, that he sees me, knows me and loves me. I really do need to be reminded of that.
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2013, 07:03:44 PM »
I, like you, also feel the uncomfortable light of truth shine straight through me, along with His sweet and incomprehensible forgiveness of all I've ever done wrong. The amazement of sensing that, so clearly in the moment, brings tears, just as it does to most when they initially repent and convert.  Thanks for sharing your experience.  That a perfect God could forgive all sins for free sounds too good to be true, and indeed many have found that Gospel truth to be a stumbling block to their faith.  He is truly awesome.
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