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Let’s Keep It Straight
« on: Wed Sep 22, 2021 - 15:29:03 »
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BUFF SCOTT, JR.
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Let’s Keep It Straight

    Lest all of you get side-tracked on the controversy between Texas Chief Justice and me, read me carefully. The issue between him and me is not the  CDC VAERS data some of you are so hung up on. It is, and has been...

Do most current Covid hospitalazions and deaths consist of unvaccinated patients?

    That you might, hopefully, be enlightened a little bit, I wrote the following when I initiated my column on “Unvaccinated Hospitalizations.”

    On the 18th of September, in Post #10, I stated, “Eighty-five to ninety percent of current hospitalizations and deaths have accurately been attributed to those who have either neglected or refused to get the Covid injections.” In Post #11, Texas “Chief Justice” responded, “You saying it isn’t a fact. Where is your documentation?”

    Consequently, my principal thrust is to present sufficient witnesses or evidence to establish the proposition that the vast majority, ranging from 85-90 percent, of current Covid hospital patients and Covid deaths have not received Covid injections. This is what I have been affirming since the new Covid strain, coupled with the old strain, surfaced. Be aware that I am not addressing the “unofficial side issues” aligned with, or forced to be aligned, by Covid opponents.


    Following these statements, I submitted quotations from 7 different States, and more could have been included, that affirmed 85-90 percent of their hospitalizations and deaths were unvaccinited patients. In spite of this official authentication, my resolution has been rejected. In my column, I added, “To deny this [official information] is to defy and contradict hundreds of medical authoritarians, clinics, hospital Administrators—yes, even State and Federal Health Officialdoms.”

    Even though some or most of you gave your attention to what I composed, you outrightly rejected it. This is bizarre behavior! What cause or person are you trying to protect? So I ask each of you a couple of questions.

1] Did the States that have gone public with the data I shared with you lie?
2] Are those States and hospitals and other medical corporations deliberately misleading us?
3] If your answer is “Yes,” how will you go about substantiating your charge? 

    In closing this new, and hopefully last, column on this subject, I will repeat a post I wrote about Texas Chief Justice a couple of days ago.
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      I predicted it! He did exactly what I "prophesied" in Post #15, namely, "I have a hunch you will not accept any proof I offer as legitimate proof. I've been reading you on this issue long enough to offer my opinion of what you consider genuine evidence."

    The only reliable "sources of data" is what he picks out of all of the data surrounding this controversy. Mine is irrelevant, fake, false, inapt, and out in left field. Pardon me, but this kind of strange conduct signals some form of abnormality. I would be willing to take the evidence I have submitted, in reply to what he has offered, stand on any witness platform of any Court of Law, and substantiate my charge.

    Never in any of his writings, which I have been subjected to, do I recall of his confessing an error, a mistake, of any nature. He may have, but as of yet I have not observed it. If I'm correct, that in itself is a strong symptom of some form of abnormality. I can genuinely say "Goodbye" to this "unusual" person without any regret.

    I will try my very best from here on out to avoid this man's "sermons." I will no longer be one of his pew-sitters.

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Re: Let’s Keep It Straight
« Reply #1 on: Wed Sep 22, 2021 - 15:49:47 »
Nothing new here Buff. No need to keep posting the same thing. Please see my previous replies. I will spare you the repetitive cutting and pasting of them. If you and TC want to keep sparring, knock yourselves out.

My answer to your three questions is YES. There is definitely nefarious motives afoot in this Covid fiasco from stem to stern, from Fauci to the media and back. I trust no one's "data" in this Kabookie Pantomime. As I said before, I don't even trust the CDC VAERS data, but stated it is goverment presented data that ought to get your attention as to the adverse effects of these vaccines. If your data shows one perspective, then by all means the VAERS data shows another. You WILL NOT convince anyone here to get the vaccine. There is no lack of information to consider.

And in MY closing I would ask that this "column" typically referred to as a thread by mere mortals, be the last on this subject. I have no intense need to be right in this argument, I just have a view that is different than yours about these vaccines. I have NO expectation of convincing you of my views. I can't speak for any of the others.

My summary - YES there is a political agenda to all data presented on Covid. I trust none of it.

I don't intend to argue anymore about this. Don't waste your time on another "column" or more appropriately a thread about this. CAN WE KEEP THAT STRAIGHT?

Jaime.............over and OUT!
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Re: Let’s Keep It Straight
« Reply #2 on: Wed Sep 22, 2021 - 15:56:45 »
Jamie:

    "And in MY closing I would ask that this 'column' typically referred to as a thread by mere mortals, be the last on this subject."

    I'm willing to go that route if YOU and the others are. So let's see who else is willing to take your advice.

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Re: Let’s Keep It Straight
« Reply #3 on: Wed Sep 22, 2021 - 16:00:35 »
If you or others want to continue on the original thread or two, knock yourselves out. This redundant one was purely unnecessary. No one is stupid. All know what was said by the rest the first time.

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Re: Let’s Keep It Straight
« Reply #4 on: Wed Sep 22, 2021 - 16:15:12 »
But not everyone got it straight, Jamie. Therefore, "LET'S KEEP IT STRAIGHT."

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Re: Let’s Keep It Straight
« Reply #6 on: Wed Sep 22, 2021 - 16:20:14 »
But not everyone got it straight, Jamie. Therefore, "LET'S KEEP IT STRAIGHT."

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Re: Let’s Keep It Straight
« Reply #7 on: Wed Sep 22, 2021 - 16:42:45 »
But there was CONFUSION about what the proposition was, Jamie. I even needed to "unconfuse" you a couple times. No offence, my brother.

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Re: Let’s Keep It Straight
« Reply #8 on: Wed Sep 22, 2021 - 17:14:49 »
 NO you didn’t Buff.

My ONLY position now is the same as it’s been from the beginning. You were wrong about the CDC VAERS data being radical conservative data. I still say you are wrong on that. There is nothing radically conservative about data from the CDC. They are not the epitome of conservatism, radical or not. I only entered the conversation when you made that particular assertion about the CDC VAERS data that TC referenced.
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Re: Let’s Keep It Straight
« Reply #9 on: Wed Sep 22, 2021 - 17:28:32 »
Buff, it's very sad that you can't admit you're wrong.

Now, on to other things-

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Re: Let’s Keep It Straight
« Reply #10 on: Wed Sep 22, 2021 - 19:39:35 »
Don't you know that I will....
Tell it like it is!
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Re: Let’s Keep It Straight
« Reply #11 on: Wed Sep 22, 2021 - 22:10:27 »
mommydi:

"Buff, it's very sad that you can't admit you're wrong."

    Here, here now! Identify the wrong and turn the finger in your direction. Apparently, you're having a problem of actually seeing things as they are. And by the way, here again is the issue being debated, or should have been, but so many of you by-passed it and jumped onto a different inkling. Here is the issue:

Do most current Covid hospitalazions and deaths consist of unvaccinated patients?

Goodnight - Get some good sleep,

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« Reply #12 on: Wed Sep 22, 2021 - 22:36:47 »
Well, Jamie:

    Been off the computer the last few hours. I guess you've decided to carry on a while longer. That's okay, we'll dialogue longer if you wish. Your latest:

    "My ONLY position now is the same as it’s been from the beginning. You were wrong about the CDC VAERS data being radical conservative data. I still say you are wrong on that."

    The dispute between Chief Justice and me was not about your "CDC VAURS data." It revolved around...

Do most current Covid hospitalazions and deaths consist of unvaccinated patients?

    I named and shared data from 7 States. Your "CDC VAURS data" was no part of the dispute. The specific matter involved the testimony of 7 States in regards to the percentage of unvaccinated hospitalizations and deaths, which turned out to be 85-90 percent. You have denied that percentage, in spite of the clear testimony.

    Have you considered contacting those 7 States and telling them they are mistaken, that no such testimony exists? Anyway, fire back, if you wish. If you truly decide to end conversations between you and me on this topic, I will go along with you. Just say the word.

Kindly,

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Re: Let’s Keep It Straight
« Reply #13 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 04:24:02 »
 Buff, I said repeatedly I don’t trust hospital stats on Covid. I believe they have an agenda. All hospitals seem to do is send people home until they feel really bad and only then put the patient on the death machine known as a ventilator. Most hospitals in our area and I assume everywhere refuse to use perfectly good therapeutics such as HCQ and Budesonide to prevent lungs from filling up with fluid. I don’t trust CDC VAERS data, but it is still not a radical conservative source as you indicated. YES it WAS the only dispute I had with you as I have said several times. If you agree the CDC VAERS data is not radical conservative propaganda, I have no dog in this hunt. If you refuse, i see no reason to beat this dead horse. Do you understand what I’m saying? You aren’t going to change my mind about trusting the vaccines or the medical establishment or their data concerning Covid. It is not personal against you. It is that I see a sinister motive in a lot surrounding this virus and I believe that will come to light in time. If you see radical conservatives lurking in the CDC VAERS data gathering, then we have irreconcileable differences, nothing personal. That notion to me is just as unreasonable as you think my opinion of hospital data is. I have no problems with you or anyone getting the vaccine. I see no reason for anyone to fret over the unvaccinated that mostly I believe have sufficient information including substantial adverse effects of the vaccines to make a decision for themselves that ought to be respected by others.

Therefore, I AM saying the WORD to end this discussion as far as I’m concerned.



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Re: Let’s Keep It Straight
« Reply #14 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 06:56:08 »
I am not jumping into this brouhaha except to make a very true comment or two.

There was a simple question.

Do most current Covid hospitalazions and deaths consist of unvaccinated patients?

Without relying on local newspapers and television news reports we simply cannot know.

And at that, we cannot know from the standpoint they only report what "they" see as the "sensational" news. NOT necessarily the truth.

If you pick up the telephone and call your local hospitals with that question you get their obligatory response. They cannot comment due to hipaa and privacy rules.

So one can only go by what one might read online or by an online search ( unless one is in the medical field and working at a hospital)

But then... can you trust that person. I don't simply because my PCP goes by the science of flipflop Fauci.

So enters the argument of who can be trusted and where do you find accurate information.

Looking online there is a resounding YES to that question but the sources are sketchy. NOT just Yahoo but from

CNBC,  HEATH FEEDBACK,  CNET,  WEB MD,  NPR,  ABC NEWS, and of course CDC ( And you resident board genius
will jump through hoops to tell you they simply cannot be trusted)

Certainly the CDC cannot for they only report what they have on hand daily. And if you want to access them you have to type in cdc.gov. to see their graphs and charts. (Which are made up by those who feed basic info into whatever to make them) It is the gov portion of that that send up red flags.

Even the freaking argument that the vax are made from fetus parts... that was long dispelled by the posting of each of the main 3 providers ingredients... by the cdc ( who else) and each company themselves... was again brought up by some man on Laura Ingrham last night (9-22-21) as one of the main reasons he is/was so against getting the shots.

There is no sense in arguing if it is true or not. Just like the old issue of Pepsi V  Coke ... there are things about each that
are different.  But they serve the same purpose.

The question is "Do most current Covid hospitalizations and deaths consist of unvaccinated patients?"

You need to go by your own personal knowledge of people living around you and that you know.

For me. Of all the people I have known who have been hospitalized with covid I know NO ONE, personally who was that had the shots.  But of those who have been hospitalized and unvaccinated the fact is 50% died.


I have known many who got the shots. None has reported they got covid after. And none had died.

I would imagine that in any given part of my state or around the country it could be different. But not knowing those people, I could not say.

Those states with less shots likely will have more non vaxed people go to the hospital.... and die and those states with more shots may well have more people in the hospital that die.
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But this is no issue to argue over. Period.








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Re: Let’s Keep It Straight
« Reply #15 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 08:06:46 »
What we do know:  Buff provided no actual sources of data to back up his assertion.

That was what the entire argument was about in the first place.  I don't trust his say so, and no one should trust mine either.  Or any politician or journalist.  Without data and transparency, and the ability for anyone to do some research to confirm what is being said, we are just being blindly led by Covid Pulpiteers in the religion of Covid-ianity.

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What we do know:  Buff provided no actual sources of data to back up his assertion.

That was what the entire argument was about in the first place.  I don't trust his say so, and no one should trust mine either.  Or any politician or journalist.  Without data and transparency, and the ability for anyone to do some research to confirm what is being said, we are just being blindly led by Covid Pulpiteers in the religion of Covid-ianity.

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« Reply #17 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 13:31:25 »
What we do know:  Buff provided no actual sources of data to back up his assertion.

That was what the entire argument was about in the first place.  I don't trust his say so, and no one should trust mine either.  Or any politician or journalist.  Without data and transparency, and the ability for anyone to do some research to confirm what is being said, we are just being blindly led by Covid Pulpiteers in the religion of Covid-ianity.

No... but you certainly know who you know that is unvaxed and if they ended up in the hospital with it and if they died.

You also have to know those who were vaxed and if they ended up in the hospital and died.

Or dont you talk to people about such things?

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« Reply #18 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 13:34:35 »
No... but you certainly know who you know that is unvaxed and if they ended up in the hospital with it and if they died.

You also have to know those who were vaxed and if they ended up in the hospital and died.

Or dont you talk to people about such things?

I know more people with vax adverse events than people who have died of covid.  I know one person who died the next day after vax. 

Plus, being much younger than 60 means not knowing as many people who have died of covid.

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« Reply #19 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 13:37:08 »
And Rella, from a scientific perspective, you want the data, not anecdotal stories.  Data can be used to look for trends, what I know about my personal circle can skew things far more than not trusting the state data.

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« Reply #20 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 13:44:13 »
I personally know several people who bad very serious cardiac problems directly from the vaccine. All were under 45. I have heard of several locally that died from an adverse vaccine effect.

With my doctor who will aggressively treats with therapeutics to keep her prients lungs from filling up, I have no problem choosing the virus over the vaccine. Which by the way she recommends against. I am certain there is going to be uncovered in the near future MASSIVE amounts of malfeasance in the medical community concerning Covid not excluding the Weasel Faced one. This will include padding cause of death etc. It defies all reason what they are doing and have done.
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« Reply #21 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 14:41:17 »
LET’S TRY TO GET IT STRAIGHT AGAIN

    Please check the data again in my thread referred to earlier. How many of the data quotations from the various States are false? I'm alluding to the quotations relating to 85-90 percent of unvaccinated hospitalizations. Try to stick with my core message. I ask that you not wander off into a different section. Stay with the issue.

    Webster’s definition of “data” is interesting. “Facts or figures to be processed; evidence, records, statistics, etc. from which conclusions can be inferred.”

    As per Webster’s definition, the data of the 7 States I shared is actually data, not counterfeit data. In reference to that authentic data, you can try to distort it, manipulate it, twist it out of shape, or misconstrue it, but take that up with Webster. He’s  the author of that definition, not me. The 7 data I posted in my thread fits the definition exactly.

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« Reply #22 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 14:52:41 »
What we do know:  Buff provided no actual sources of data to back up his assertion.

That was what the entire argument was about in the first place.  I don't trust his say so, and no one should trust mine either.  Or any politician or journalist.  Without data and transparency, and the ability for anyone to do some research to confirm what is being said, we are just being blindly led by Covid Pulpiteers in the religion of Covid-ianity.

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« Reply #23 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 15:05:51 »
READ THE DEFINITION OF "DATA" AGAIN

    “Facts or figures to be processed; evidence, records, statistics, etc. from which conclusions can be inferred.”—Webster.

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« Reply #24 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 14:59:51 »
FROM ONE OF MY READERS

    ”Someone is spreading this virus. I lost another acquaintance yesterday. Masks, social distancing, and vaccines are our weapons. It seems selfish and stupid not to use them.”—Craig.

    This is only one among many who contact me with the same message. When will the unlearned learn?

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    P. S. Within 2-3 days, I hope to have my thread on "Narcissism"  ready to post. In the meantime, check Webster on "data" again. Your "Chief" is now distorting his definition. Perhaps if he were to re-enlist in grammar school, he could be re-converted to Webster's wisdom.

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« Reply #25 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 15:05:59 »
FROM ONE OF MY READERS

    ”Someone is spreading this virus. I lost another acquaintance yesterday. Masks, social distancing, and vaccines are our weapons. It seems selfish and stupid not to use them.”—Craig.

    This is only one among many who contact me with the same message. When will the unlearned learn?

Buff

    P. S. Within 2-3 days, I hope to have my thread on "Narcissism"  ready to post. In the meantime, check Webster on "data" again. Your "Chief" is now distorting his definition. Perhaps if he were to re-enlist in grammar school, he could be re-converted to Webster's wisdom.

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« Reply #26 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 21:48:44 »
QUESTION:

    Reasonable question: Who is correct on the definition of "data," Webster or GraceCentered "Chief Justice"?

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