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« on: Wed Jul 11, 2018 - 14:00:18 »
For all you evolutionists out there.

What is the chance that this EPIDEMIC that is in every corner of the world, and growing by leaps and bounds might be
a direct result of the human evolution factor?

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Re: LGBTQI2S-P A time that has come?
« Reply #1 on: Thu Jul 12, 2018 - 08:13:27 »
Has more to do with socialization than anything else.   Biologically, gender issues seem to be related to hormonal influences in utero.    So it's not directly genetic, and only indirectly open to selection.


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Re: LGBTQI2S-P A time that has come?
« Reply #2 on: Thu Jul 12, 2018 - 10:37:53 »
For all you evolutionists out there.

What is the chance that this EPIDEMIC that is in every corner of the world, and growing by leaps and bounds might be
a direct result of the human evolution factor?

Why would you ask this of an evolutionist?  (You call me crazy.)  Read the Bible.  Men are liars, but God is not a man that He could lie.   

Paul, as he was moved by the Holy Spirit, has provided the answer for you.  He has described the spiritual battle that confronts all of us.  When Paul is talking about their death he's not implying that we should shoot these people because we hate what they do.   All of Paul's epistles should be read and read with understanding as they are addressed to the church, in particular.

Rom 1:16  For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17  For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, "The righteous shall live by faith."

Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.
Rom 1:19  For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
Rom 1:20  For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Rom 1:21  For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Rom 1:22  Claiming to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23  and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
Rom 1:24  Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,
Rom 1:25  because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
Rom 1:26  For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
Rom 1:27  and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Rom 1:28  And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
Rom 1:29  They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,
Rom 1:30  slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31  foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Rom 1:32  Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

We live in a time where good is called evil and evil is called good.   Yet Christians are not called to hate gays or Hispanics or blacks or Muslims.   We are to occupy until He comes.   


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Re: LGBTQI2S-P A time that has come?
« Reply #3 on: Thu Jul 12, 2018 - 14:19:14 »
Yet Christians are not called to hate gays or Hispanics or blacks or Muslims.


And what do these people have to do with the topic at hand, or your reference to Romans 1 for that matter?

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Re: LGBTQI2S-P A time that has come?
« Reply #4 on: Thu Jul 12, 2018 - 20:05:50 »
LBGT tend to get tossed into the drawer with other minorities, but they really don't fit there very well.


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Re: LGBTQI2S-P A time that has come?
« Reply #5 on: Fri Jul 13, 2018 - 10:29:26 »
LBGT tend to get tossed into the drawer with other minorities, but they really don't fit there very well.

Hate directed against any people group is wrong.   In the context of the OP I am more interested in helping a person with his or her spiritual condition rather than splitting hairs.   

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« Reply #6 on: Fri Jul 13, 2018 - 10:40:38 »
You're kidding, right??   Which is more acceptable to God, hate of gays or hate of Hispanics?   

Before the foundation of the world, God envisioned the Church.   You may not understand the meaning of that due to the influence of modernism and the emphasis on the intellectual vs. the spiritual.    When the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write the Book of Romans He knew that the Book of Romans would not just apply to the first century church but would also be read by us in 2018.    We have this same sort of society that Paul referred to in Romans Chapter One with people who are perverted, inwardly and outwardly, and this perversion has resulted in the behavior of people and the disdain for the things of God we see today.  The way I have presented Romans Chapter One here is the way I have heard this passage of Scripture taught all of my life, and, thank God, I have never fallen prey to the modernist intellectuals who have been trying to re-write the Scriptures to suit their own purposes for many years.   


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« Reply #7 on: Fri Jul 13, 2018 - 10:43:48 »
Rella,

You are strong-willed, and while you are not naive, I believe that along with your struggles to grasp the Gospel and the Scriptures you are influenced by others who may be more concerned with things other than your spiritual condition.

There are two fine Christian ladies at this forum whom I believe would be more than glad to help you with your questions:  Chosenone and MeMyself.   

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Re: LGBTQI2S-P A time that has come?
« Reply #8 on: Fri Jul 13, 2018 - 11:00:14 »
You're kidding, right??   Which is more acceptable to God, hate of gays or hate of Hispanics?   



Neither is acceptable to God.


1 John 4:20 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.


Reason I asked above about bunking different races in with LGBTs and other religions is because it came across as racist.

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« Reply #9 on: Fri Jul 13, 2018 - 15:35:10 »




Reason I asked above about bunking different races in with LGBTs and other religions is because it came across as racist.

Yep, it sure does.


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« Reply #10 on: Fri Jul 13, 2018 - 15:51:38 »
In many years as a Christian, I have never met anyone who hates gays or anyone else. Mostly we would just love to see them get saved and Jesus can begin to change them as he does us.

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« Reply #11 on: Fri Jul 13, 2018 - 16:09:40 »
In many years as a Christian, I have never met anyone who hates gays or anyone else.

Exactly. +1

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« Reply #12 on: Sat Jul 14, 2018 - 07:56:15 »
In many years as a Christian, I have never met anyone who hates gays or anyone else.


I have, right here on this forum in fact. A long time member that is no longer active was quite vocal concerning their hatred and lacked any empathy for their situation, further stating that they would have nothing to do with them. I've also seen much hatred on social media from "christians" but that boils down to my own distaste for engaging in such platforms in the first place.

Still, sometimes I'm not quite sure how to respond. My employer is an ultra liberal, equality, and full inclusiveness demander.  At the school I'm presently situated in we are having a transgender M-->F joining us in September. The dynamics of the entire school will now change for this one individual including the language used to address "boys and girls". I consider myself to be a good host. I always make every attempt to make people feel comfortable and welcome in any given situation but when the welcome comes at the cost of changing who I am and everyone else for that matter, it just doesn't feel sincere. I get that these people are different but at the same time trying to hide that fact and forcing us as a society to "blend" them in is just setting everyone up for more failure.


If I desire to carry on with this employer I will have to self educate on etiquette, but it will be strictly an act of mannerism rather than a change of heart. I don't hate people that are engaged in the gender confusion culture, I simply feel they need help and that help has been replaced by integration of normalcy.

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« Reply #13 on: Sat Jul 14, 2018 - 08:20:41 »
For all you evolutionists out there.

What is the chance that this EPIDEMIC that is in every corner of the world, and growing by leaps and bounds might be
a direct result of the human evolution factor?

I wouldn't call a delusion an evolutionary factor.

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« Reply #14 on: Sat Jul 14, 2018 - 08:33:36 »
I wouldn't call a delusion an evolutionary factor.


I think the more we encourage it as "normal and natural" the greater it will grow. In the next 10-20 years we'll begin to see more and more people jumping ship that have never had an inclination toward the LGBTQ lifestyle but had a bad experience as a heterosexual.


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« Reply #15 on: Sat Jul 14, 2018 - 08:49:02 »

I think the more we encourage it as "normal and natural" the greater it will grow. In the next 10-20 years we'll begin to see more and more people jumping ship that have never had an inclination toward the LGBTQ lifestyle but had a bad experience as a heterosexual.

I agree.

It seems like the Millennial generation and Generation Z are the generations of experimentation. It will eventually wear off and we will be able to look back at this time as a bad dream.

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« Reply #16 on: Sat Jul 14, 2018 - 09:03:25 »
Acceptance and tolerance of a minority are one thing, submission to and being controlled by a minority is another thing altogether. While it is right and of course Christian to be tolerant and accepting as far as possible, it is neither right nor Christian to allow a minority to force itself upon the majority by way of passive submission to the standards of their apparent rule. Just as a majority should not be able to force itself upon minorities, neither of course should minorities be able to force their views and perspectives upon a majority simply by being present. Demanding that everyone deny the reality which exists right in front of everyones face because you belong to a minority which refuses that reality, should not be acceptable or tolerated.

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« Reply #17 on: Sat Jul 14, 2018 - 09:24:45 »
Acceptance and tolerance of a minority are one thing, submission to and being controlled by a minority is another thing altogether. While it is right and of course Christian to be tolerant and accepting as far as possible, it is neither right nor Christian to allow a minority to force itself upon the majority by way of passive submission to the standards of their apparent rule. Just as a majority should not be able to force itself upon minorities, neither of course should minorities be able to force their views and perspectives upon a majority simply by being present. Demanding that everyone deny the reality which exists right in front of everyones face because you belong to a minority which refuses that reality, should not be acceptable or tolerated.

I agree. Now if we can just get everybody else to accept that there are only two genders and that male and female plumbing works together a certain way by design. ::smile::

Somehow, the motivated reasoning has to be overcome, not only in those who belong to LGBTQ, but also in those who are legislating for them. The voices of the doctors and other experts need to get louder regarding the common sense in this issue.

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« Reply #18 on: Sat Jul 14, 2018 - 09:52:00 »
I agree. Now if we can just get everybody else to accept that there are only two genders and that male and female plumbing works together a certain way by design. ::smile::

Somehow, the motivated reasoning has to be overcome, not only in those who belong to LGBTQ, but also in those who are legislating for them. The voices of the doctors and other experts need to get louder regarding the common sense in this issue.

Some of the doctors and other "experts" are making bank insisting that the once common wisdom is wrong.

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« Reply #19 on: Sat Jul 14, 2018 - 12:25:01 »
Some of the doctors and other "experts" are making bank insisting that the once common wisdom is wrong.

That is unfortunately true. ::frown::

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« Reply #20 on: Sat Jul 14, 2018 - 16:33:35 »
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I think the more we encourage it as "normal and natural" the greater it will grow.

Evil in humans is also normal and natural.   Not everything that's normal and natural is good.   Jesus came to save us and to show us that we can transcend our evil natures to become new beings in him.   Not that we'll ever reach perfection in this world, but we can do better if we follow Him.

 

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« Reply #21 on: Sat Jul 14, 2018 - 20:32:34 »
Evil in humans is also normal and natural.   Not everything that's normal and natural is good.   Jesus came to save us and to show us that we can transcend our evil natures to become new beings in him.   Not that we'll ever reach perfection in this world, but we can do better if we follow Him.


Yes but the undeniable truth is that many of the things that were considered evil in the past are now fully accepted and in some cases embraced. Some things are likely for the better but not all things.

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« Reply #22 on: Sat Jul 14, 2018 - 21:18:21 »

Yes but the undeniable truth is that many of the things that were considered evil in the past are now fully accepted and in some cases embraced. Some things are likely for the better but not all things.

Those things that were evil but are no longer considered evil are part of God's Wrath.

Romans 1:18

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness

Continuing down to 26,27, and 28

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

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« Reply #23 on: Sat Jul 14, 2018 - 21:19:21 »
For all you evolutionists out there.

What is the chance that this EPIDEMIC that is in every corner of the world, and growing by leaps and bounds might be
a direct result of the human evolution factor?

This is the wrath of God at work.  I think Notreligus was attempting to point this out with his use of Romans 1.

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« Reply #24 on: Sat Jul 14, 2018 - 21:21:07 »
You're kidding, right??   Which is more acceptable to God, hate of gays or hate of Hispanics?   

Before the foundation of the world, God envisioned the Church.   You may not understand the meaning of that due to the influence of modernism and the emphasis on the intellectual vs. the spiritual.    When the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write the Book of Romans He knew that the Book of Romans would not just apply to the first century church but would also be read by us in 2018.    We have this same sort of society that Paul referred to in Romans Chapter One with people who are perverted, inwardly and outwardly, and this perversion has resulted in the behavior of people and the disdain for the things of God we see today.  The way I have presented Romans Chapter One here is the way I have heard this passage of Scripture taught all of my life, and, thank God, I have never fallen prey to the modernist intellectuals who have been trying to re-write the Scriptures to suit their own purposes for many years.

God's Wrath is made clear in allowing men and women to indulge in forbidden lusts.  Romans 1 states that.   Hispanics are not talked about in Romans 1.

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« Reply #25 on: Sat Jul 14, 2018 - 21:57:41 »
If we're going to get all PC and nit-picky, maybe it would be a good time to learn the difference between Hispanic and Latino.


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« Reply #26 on: Sat Jul 14, 2018 - 21:59:40 »
If we're going to get all PC and nit-picky, maybe it would be a good time to learn the difference between Hispanic and Latino.


Not sure why Hispanics were even mentioned in this thread  ???

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« Reply #27 on: Sat Jul 14, 2018 - 22:12:36 »

Not sure why Hispanics were even mentioned in this thread  ???

Unless the only Hispanics he knows are gay, so he thinks all Hispanics are gay..  ::doh::

I have an idea, but I'm not going there.  ::tippinghat::










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« Reply #28 on: Sun Jul 15, 2018 - 05:31:01 »
I agree. Now if we can just get everybody else to accept that there are only two genders and that male and female plumbing works together a certain way by design. ::smile::

Somehow, the motivated reasoning has to be overcome, not only in those who belong to LGBTQ, but also in those who are legislating for them. The voices of the doctors and other experts need to get louder regarding the common sense in this issue.

The (unrepresentative of the majority), vociferous "shout loud" minority are in effect suppressing the voice of common sense and decency. We have just seen this in the UK with unrepresentative rent-a-mob-lefties protesting against President Trump's visit to the UK (when the Labour Party leader and the mayor of London joined in the protests), or indeed some other issues. The more level-headed majority do little or nothing, to correct such wrong impressions.

This is an all too common problem "The tail wagging the dog".  It was the rabble-rousers at Jesus trial before Pilate, that by shouting loudest ensured that Barrabas was freed, and our Jesus condemned instead.  But the Father and Jesus knew this would happen - "before the foundation of the world" - the Jewish authorities at the time, thinking that they knew best!

I quote here from Andrew Wommack Ministries July Newsletter, relating to what is going on currently in USA in the opinion of a former senator - but sadly is a world-wide issue : -

"...He became convinced that the majority of Americans are not for all that is going on. But his assessment was that the ungodly are more committed to changing this nation than the godly are in preserving it..."



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« Reply #29 on: Sun Jul 15, 2018 - 05:34:06 »
This is the wrath of God at work.  I think Notreligus was attempting to point this out with his use of Romans 1.

Well, the Romans 1 reference got totally hidden in the deluge of personal attacks he lobbed at her.  He immediately jumped onto her, and threw everything plus the kitchen sink at her - insinuating she had hatred for not only LGBTs, but people of various ethnicities. He claims he's trying to help her with her spiritual condition, yet all he offered was a scripture reference wrapped in a projection of his own anger and racism.

For notreligus-

I Corinithians 13:1-2
"If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.  And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing."

James 1:20
For the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God.

 

     
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