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Re: Life beyond Earth has finally been found; or so it seems
« Reply #70 on: Tue Mar 20, 2018 - 16:02:16 »
4WD said:
Besides that, I personally do not believe that God has created intelligent life anywhere else in the universe.

I tend to agree, except when I don't.

Then you have things like this that just beg to mess with ones mind. It gets interesting around the 20: 17 mark to 25ish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3nMZEBV5RU

A fake? Possibly but then again.... too much is truly unanswered.

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Re: Life beyond Earth has finally been found; or so it seems
« Reply #72 on: Sun Apr 22, 2018 - 21:40:03 »
NASA finds LIFE on Saturn’s moon Enceladus in MAJOR breakthrough in hunt for aliens
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/791868/Nasa-finds-life-on-Saturn-moon-hot-springs-press-conference

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Re: Life beyond Earth has finally been found; or so it seems
« Reply #73 on: Sun Apr 22, 2018 - 21:43:02 »
Saturn's large moon Titan glows green in new hazy photo

https://mashable.com/2015/12/08/saturn-moon-titan-photo/#IwNtgfYYumqN

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Re: Life beyond Earth has finally been found; or so it seems
« Reply #74 on: Sun Apr 22, 2018 - 22:55:51 »
If a man/woman were standing on the North Pole, the South Pole, and all around the equator or anywhere else on earth, UP would be a different direction to each, unless they were a member of the Flat Earth Society.   

 Barbarian wrote:  "Maybe that's why aliens haven't found us, yet."
 heh heh. Agreed.

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Re: Life beyond Earth has finally been found; or so it seems
« Reply #75 on: Mon Apr 23, 2018 - 07:03:53 »
Tabloid's aren't a very reliable source of information.   ::rollingeyes::

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Re: Life beyond Earth has finally been found; or so it seems
« Reply #76 on: Sat Apr 28, 2018 - 13:59:15 »
Isaiah 65:17-25 suggest there is sexuality in the new Heaven and Earth. Why wouldn't there be anyway? God created sex. Earth isn't going to be better than Heaven. Plus there's Song of Solomon, 1 Corinthians 7:5, Proverbs 5:16-19, Acts 3:21, and others. That's only a puritan belief that physical things are bad.

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Re: Life beyond Earth has finally been found; or so it seems
« Reply #77 on: Sat Apr 28, 2018 - 14:27:01 »
Isaiah 65:17-25 suggest there is sexuality in the new Heaven and Earth. Why wouldn't there be anyway? God created sex. Earth isn't going to be better than Heaven. Plus there's Song of Solomon, 1 Corinthians 7:5, Proverbs 5:16-19, Acts 3:21, and others. That's only a puritan belief that physical things are bad.

There is no need for sex in heaven, procreation to continue the species is not required, that only happens here. We will have different bodies in heaven, bodies that will not be hot or cold or need food and drink to survive. What did Jesus say about this? He said in Luke 20: 34-36: "And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection".

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Re: Life beyond Earth has finally been found; or so it seems
« Reply #78 on: Sat Apr 28, 2018 - 14:39:32 »
Isaiah 65:17-25 suggest there is sexuality in the new Heaven and Earth. Why wouldn't there be anyway? God created sex. Earth isn't going to be better than Heaven. Plus there's Song of Solomon, 1 Corinthians 7:5, Proverbs 5:16-19, Acts 3:21, and others. That's only a puritan belief that physical things are bad.


SORRY "LADONIA"  - I PUT IN MY POST BELOW WITHOUT REALIZING YOU HAD ISSUED THE SAME "OBJECTION" AS I'VE SUPPLIED BELOW!

Yes that sounds nice - but, if you remember the the story of the Jewish "authorities" who did not believe in the resurrection of the dead - sneeringly raising the hypothetical case of seven brothers, each marrying the same woman but then dying each in turn, and finally the woman dies - with the "authorities" asking Jesus "Whose wife will she be in heaven?" If I remember correctly, His answer was "In Heaven men and women do not marry - they are like the angels!".  So IMO there's gonna be lot of disappointed bods! Jesus also said "Be ye holy, even as I am holy"  So I reckon anything sensual is definitely out.  Are you failing to understand that where God is - there is utter purity, righteousness and holiness - beyond our comprehension. Instead of sensual pleasures we shall be in awe/delight of Him ("In Your Presence is the fullness of joy!") - it's all about Him, not us!"  We shall be like Him, by His mercy, love and grace "Christ in you, the hope of glory to come!".
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Re: Life beyond Earth has finally been found; or so it seems
« Reply #79 on: Sat Apr 28, 2018 - 19:21:37 »

SORRY "LADONIA"  - I PUT IN MY POST BELOW WITHOUT REALIZING YOU HAD ISSUED THE SAME "OBJECTION" AS I'VE SUPPLIED BELOW!

Yes that sounds nice - but, if you remember the the story of the Jewish "authorities" who did not believe in the resurrection of the dead - sneeringly raising the hypothetical case of seven brothers, each marrying the same woman but then dying each in turn, and finally the woman dies - with the "authorities" asking Jesus "Whose wife will she be in heaven?" If I remember correctly, His answer was "In Heaven men and women do not marry - they are like the angels!".  So IMO there's gonna be lot of disappointed bods! Jesus also said "Be ye holy, even as I am holy"  So I reckon anything sensual is definitely out.  Are you failing to understand that where God is - there is utter purity, righteousness and holiness - beyond our comprehension. Instead of sensual pleasures we shall be in awe/delight of Him ("In Your Presence is the fullness of joy!") - it's all about Him, not us!"  We shall be like Him, by His mercy, love and grace "Christ in you, the hope of glory to come!".

What's the old saying - smart minds think alike? You got it brother!

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Re: Life beyond Earth has finally been found; or so it seems
« Reply #80 on: Sun Apr 29, 2018 - 02:30:58 »
Think there is a lot of misunderstanding among us Christians as regards how we should "approach" God.  In the OT we see 2 of Aaron's sons dying because of their casual "approach" in offering "illicit fire" - i.e. without the respect that God was trying to teach them. (There is also the story of Uzza being struck dead when he reached  out an arm to steady the Ark of the Covenant when the oxen bearing it on the Philistine cart stumbled  - "...and David was afraid"Because of Christ's "work of the Cross" the situation is now different - but that does not mean that we can casually regard God as a "big buddy" - dear Father though He is to us!  We are so insignificant in the cosmos that He has made - and He so wise, so great, so utterly beyond our comprehension.  Yet as it says in the Psalms "What is Man that Thou shouldst remember him.".  We cannot comprehend, soiled by the world as it is, what utter purity might be like - although we get "glimpses" of it in statements like "Thine eye is too pure to look upon iniquity".

I used to think it slightly ridiculous that angels would forever be crying out "Holy Holy" in the Throne Room [or that the Elders would be continually casting down their crowns, only to pick them up again and repeat the action]. Yet I can now understand that God is so great, that, new revelations of God's nature and His handiwork are continually becoming apparent to them (Remember Jesus saying "My Father has never yet ceased working, and I am working too.") [Yet we are told in Genesis that God "rested from creation on His Sabbath"!?]

I like the hymn "Before the throne of God above", because it contains the words : -

"Because the sinless Saviour died, my sinful soul is counted free.
For God the just is satisfied, to look on Him, and pardon me!"



 Another of my favourite hymns is "Immortal, invisible, God only wise - in light inaccessible hid from our eyes", the light it refers emanates from The Lords purity, holiness and righteousness. Paul in his epistles strikes the right note "God is light, in Him there is no darkness at all - if we walk in the light as He is in the light, then we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from every sin."  So there it is again, it all seems to be about "light" - and as physicists now know (thanks to Einstein etc,)  that light and the limits it imposes, plays a major role in the nature of the cosmos!   
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Re: Life beyond Earth has finally been found; or so it seems
« Reply #81 on: Sun Apr 29, 2018 - 08:47:45 »
(There is also the story of Uzza being struck dead when he reached  out an arm to steady the Ark of the Covenant when the oxen bearing it on the Philistine cart stumbled  - "...




To take this thread father away from the OP topic can anyone explain why to me.

Yes, I know it was forbidden to touch the ark, but is this an example that God will not have his word crossed for any reason, without severe punishment?

Would God have wished the Ark to have fallen off the cart and lay damaged, or possibly broken?

This has always frightened me that someone who believed he was doing good for God would be taken out of this life.

OR, is it possible that was Gods reward to him, for his thoughtfulness and got him removed from this miserable life?


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« Reply #82 on: Sun Apr 29, 2018 - 12:25:20 »
To take this thread father away from the OP topic can anyone explain why to me.

Yes, I know it was forbidden to touch the ark, but is this an example that God will not have his word crossed for any reason, without severe punishment?

Would God have wished the Ark to have fallen off the cart and lay damaged, or possibly broken?

This has always frightened me that someone who believed he was doing good for God would be taken out of this life.

OR, is it possible that was Gods reward to him, for his thoughtfulness and got him removed from this miserable life?

I think it was a further act of the Lord specifically for His Chosen People (poor old Uzza, just trying to be helpful) - to teach them to approach Him with reverence and respect, obeying his commands.  Doesn't it say in the OT that only certain families (Kohath, Merari etc) were allowed to participate even in the most basic "household duties" of the Tabernacle. particularly when moving from one encampment to another.  During such removals, the "furniture" had to be covered, deemed most holy, so that the general populace could not see it.  The ark - and possibly the altar of incense, the table of "Shew Bread", had carrying poles, which it seems were never removed.  No mention seems to be made of how the hefty lamp-stand was carried, being entirely of gold it would have been very heavy!

We can be so much more "relaxed" now in our approach to the Lord. Because He can be everywhere now, no longer "limited" (in the sense that He would only speak to Moses from the space above the "mercy seat" on the lid of the Ark - as Paul says "in Him we live, move and have our being"

  To some, it seems the Lord whose nature is described in the OT is at variance with His nature described in the NT. Yet I think, we need to remember His declaration to Moses "A god compassionate and gracious, long-suffering and ever constant." .  Thankfully, Jesus came to reveal to us the loving nature of our Father, interpreting "The Law" in love - not willing that any should be lost!
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Re: Life beyond Earth has finally been found; or so it seems
« Reply #83 on: Sun Apr 29, 2018 - 13:49:54 »
To take this thread father away from the OP topic can anyone explain why to me.

Yes, I know it was forbidden to touch the ark, but is this an example that God will not have his word crossed for any reason, without severe punishment?

Would God have wished the Ark to have fallen off the cart and lay damaged, or possibly broken?

This has always frightened me that someone who believed he was doing good for God would be taken out of this life.

OR, is it possible that was Gods reward to him, for his thoughtfulness and got him removed from this miserable life?


The moral of that story is not just about Uzza steadying the Ark, but the fact that it had been placed on a cart when God's plan was to carry it. Uzza was the victim of David's disobedience.

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Re: Life beyond Earth has finally been found; or so it seems
« Reply #84 on: Mon Apr 30, 2018 - 02:12:43 »
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The moral of that story is not just about Uzza steadying the Ark, but the fact that it had been placed on a cart when God's plan was to carry it. Uzza was the victim of David's disobedience.

Perhaps the original carrying poles (which should never have been removed) had been discarded by the Philistines?  So it would have been easy to forget the injunctions regarding transport of the Ark! If the Philistines could "manhandle it around" onto a cart - why not unthinking others!?

Prior to the unaccompanied oxen drawing the cart containing the (formerly captured) Ark from the Philistines back to the Israelites.  We are told that the Lord struck the Philistines with all sorts of unpleasant afflictions - so they were very glad to get rid of it. But they were not quite sure if their problems were really associated with them having the Ark - so they watched the oxen to see which way they would go.  But notice that the story does not tell us that the Lord struck any of the Philistines dead - as in the case of poor old Uzza.  This is why I think the Lord was being so stern (His Chosen People had been told earlier in Moses lifetime, of the need for reverence when approaching - the Philistines were ignorant of this) when the cart reached the Israelites and they wished to transport it back further into their own territory.

  Alan mentioned that Uzza's demise was due David's disobedience - but think it would be kinder to say "forgetfulness" in not reminding his "assistants" of the need to observe the "rules".  It should have been instinctive to all members of the "Chosen People" to obey what they had been told in Moses time and written into their Torah. See Num 4:1-20, in which it warns of not touching the holy things "on pain of death".  Fast-Forwards a century or so, to David's reign, and they had possibly forgotten the warnings, which had applied when moving camp in the long desert trek after the Exodus from Egypt, since they might only have heard their "law" expounded on infrequent occasions at appointed gatherings.  However, judging by some of Davids psalms in which he proclaims his delight in the study of the "law", maybe it really was a momentary fit of costly forgetfulness!

Mention of psalms proclaiming the "wonders of the law"  reminds me that every time in my readings that I reach the long psalm 119 I need to take "a big gulp" before plunging into it.  It's all good stuff (Mmmm! - The description "over-kill" comes to my mind  ::frown::) - so I give a little sigh of relief when the end is reached, and can next time move on to more succinct psalms. Does this make me a heretic?  ::smile::
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Re: Life beyond Earth has finally been found; or so it seems
« Reply #85 on: Mon May 07, 2018 - 05:15:16 »
In my daily Bible readings I've come round again to Leviticus and to the bit about Nadab and Abihu, Aaron's oldest sons, being struck dead for presenting "illicit fire" before the Lord - was thinking again of poor old Uzza, thoughtlessly putting out an arm to steady the Ark, when the oxen drawing the cart with the Ark stumbled, and was struck dead.   By way of explanation I see that in Levit 10:3 it says :-

"Then Moses said to Aaron, this is what the Lord meant when He said "Among those who approach Me, I must be treated as holy; in the presence of all the people I must be given honour."
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« Reply #86 on: Mon May 07, 2018 - 07:36:46 »
In my daily Bible readings I've come round again to Leviticus and to the bit about Nadab and Abihu, Aaron's oldest sons, being struck dead for presenting "illicit fire" before the Lord - was thinking again of poor old Uzza, thoughtlessly putting out an arm to steady the Ark, when the oxen drawing the cart with the Ark stumbled, and was struck dead.   By way of explanation I see that in Levit 10:3 it says :-

"Then Moses said to Aaron, this is what the Lord meant when He said "Among those who approach Me, I must be treated as holy; in the presence of all the people I must be given honour."

Thank you all for you input on this puzzling... to me.... fact.

A thought just flashed into my mind.. though throuroughly unbiblical but is here none the less..... ::doh::

What if... the oxen were made to stumble by God because He had actually wanted the Ark to be in that precise spot for whatever reason and however long?

Uzza broke that and the moment was lost?

Just forget me.... my mind seems to wander with speculations and it should not ::pondering::


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« Reply #87 on: Tue May 08, 2018 - 14:53:35 »
 My wife and I are listening to 5 CD set by Henry Gruver (travelling evangelist of "Joy Ministries" I think), under the umbrella title of "Keys to Power, Authority and the Coming Glory" obtained via Sid Roth's website (Yeah! - we watch his TV program - you may, or may not, require a sick-bag at the mention of that - it's a matter of opinion ::crackup::).  Am putting in this post 'cos of our recent concern over the Lord striking people dead!

 Today we listened to CD 3, on "How to prepare for the Coming Glory" - Henry Gruver recounted a story about a visit to what he called a great church, where he was booked to give a talk.  He was standing on a dais with the 5 church pastors and the music team were doing their stuff, reverently playing/singing some song (unfamiliar to us) about "bringing down God's Glory".  Everyone was rapturously singing away, arms upraised in praise, when Henry (who hadn't even been introduced yet) suddenly heard a voice saying "Tell them to stop!".  Henry turned around to locate who had said that, but no-one seemed to be the source - all were "wrapped up in praise".  He even peered under the foliage behind them on the dais - expecting to see some sound engineer who had a technical problem - no one there!  The voice came again - but this time the message was "Tell them to stop, they are pulling down My Glory - and if it comes down any further, 1/2 of the congregation will die - because there is sin in the camp!" (Reminiscent of Achan's sin and the "resultant" unexpected rout of the Israelites, in their initial abortive attempt to capture the little city of Ai - because "there was sin in the camp"!) Henry plucked up courage and went across to the music team and told them to stop, to their amazement - so they did, and the congregation's singing faltered away without the music.  Henry went back to the podium and told everyone what he had just heard.  For a while there was stunned silence (BTW he said the time was about 11:15!) - then conviction overcame many in the congregation, there was much wailing and weeping, with many running forward to the front, to confess their sin and receive counselling from the amazed pastors. This continued until well past 2 pm, and Henry went off to his car without ever being introduced or giving his talk. Days afterwards, one of the pastors contacted him to say that "revival" had broken out in their church!

         Interesting, isn't it!  ::pondering::
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Re: Life beyond Earth has finally been found; or so it seems
« Reply #88 on: Thu May 10, 2018 - 23:48:33 »
People, there are billions upon billions of galaxies and among them billions upon billions of solar systems and if you believe our solar system is the only one that contains life you are fooling yourself. Life does exist elsewhere, this I can assure you.

We humans have left our planet and walked on the moon. We have sent probes to all or most of our solar neighbors and within a thousand or so years we will be traveling to other stars as well. When we do we will be seeding other planets with our genetic seed just as others seeded our planet. Sadly, by then our planet will have evolved into an uninhabitable rock or be gone altogether.

But we, or future selves will go on---- & then we will meet others doing the same

In my view  ::tippinghat::

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Re: Life beyond Earth has finally been found; or so it seems
« Reply #89 on: Fri May 11, 2018 - 02:09:19 »
Sorry "tooldtocare" - we went a bit "off-piste" on the topic you started!

I don't doubt the initial statement of your last post - BUT, doesn't it say somewhere in our Bible that "God will not always strive with man forever"!  I tend to be a bit of a pessimist and view the world and it's current state as becoming "darker" - i.e. more chaotic, wicked and in danger of "imploding" having ruined everything.  So I reckon the time may come, when the Lord says "I have seen more than enough of this!"  and will "call time" on us here on this globe - and before we are in danger of spreading our wicked ways to any sentient life elsewhere in the universe.  Why would the Lord permit us to infect others with our wickedness?! In other words, am expecting/hoping for the "Parousia" etc, - OK so that puts me in the "Pre-Trib" camp - somewhen in the future, to put an end to our folly!  When the Lord "tires of it all" and considers that He has harvested sufficient of what is good and worth saving - then doesn't the Bible say something like - He will roll up his Creation as one would roll up a tent!?  He will go on forever, but will our "civilisation"?

In any case, if "we" do go on further than I expect - then there is the almost inevitable effect that as our star - the Sun - grows much older and less bright, it will at some stage begin to expand, so the astrophysicists tell us, and engulf the nearer minor planets  - putting an end to everything we are, as it all gets burnt up!  ("if you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen" as they say - so if humanity still exists, then we will need to migrate elsewhere in the cosmos, to somewhere a bit more suitable for us, long before such a happening!)

Am thinking that we live life, under the Lord's over-arching authority, a bit like a pet dog allowed freedom for a while at the full length of a long extending lead.  But somewhen, our "owner", if He thinks we may have transgressed too much (scavenging in the case of a pet dog!) - will haul us back in, towards Himself, to put an end to our "naughtiness"!  Am of course, thinking of what Paul wrote "...you do not belong to yourselves, you were bought at a price...".

BTW - Lets have a little chuckle over comparing ages (re : your choice of a "username", suggesting you just might be approaching the 100s!  ::lookaround::) - am just at the start of my 80s (but currently, such are the signs of wear/tear" that I may not reach my mid-80s) - Have you been given the grace to go on further?  You know what Solomon says in Ecclesiastes "Remember your Creator in the days of your youth, before the time of trouble comes, and the years draw near when you say 'I see no purpose to them' ". Oh what a "cheery" note to end on!  ::smile::
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