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Re: Look To The Word, Not Natural Facts
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2011, 04:14:24 PM »

John Piper and the Prosperity Gospel


Another off-topic response. Weirdness.

Not off topic at all. Your prosperity gospel is heresy straight from the pit of hell. It destroys the faith people and misleads them about the reality of our relationship with God. The hermenuetical gymnastics you play to justify this garbage would be humorous if it was not so sad and disgusting. The op is the weirdness of weird.

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Re: Look To The Word, Not Natural Facts
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2011, 04:16:19 PM »

John Piper and the Prosperity Gospel


Another off-topic response. Weirdness.

Not off topic at all. Your prosperity gospel is heresy straight from the pit of hell. It destroys the faith people and misleads them about the reality of our relationship with God. The hermenuetical gymnastics you play to justify this garbage would be humorous if it was not so sad and disgusting. The op is the weirdness of weird.

You misinterpret this thread. Get off your soapbox and, if you want to start a thread railing against what you think the prosperity gospel is, go right ahead.

Joseph Prince has spoken a very simple truth that is flying right over your head. There is no way you are a real rev, what with the overabundance of disdain in you.
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Re: Look To The Word, Not Natural Facts
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2011, 04:17:31 PM »

John Piper and the Prosperity Gospel


Another off-topic response. Weirdness.

Not off topic at all. Your prosperity gospel is heresy straight from the pit of hell. It destroys the faith people and misleads them about the reality of our relationship with God. The hermenuetical gymnastics you play to justify this garbage would be humorous if it was not so sad and disgusting. The op is the weirdness of weird.

You misinterpret this thread. Get off your soapbox and if you want to start a thread  railing against what you think the prosperity gospel is, go right ahead.

Joseph Prince has spoken a very simple truth that is flying right over your head. There is no way you are a real rev.

uh huh.............................

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Re: Look To The Word, Not Natural Facts
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2011, 04:18:37 PM »
Excuse me Lively Stone, but what point are you trying to make here? What 'natural facts' are you refering to?

The facts we see in the natural, such as sickness! We have the authority of Christ to declare it null and void.

I have done this in my own life several times. I have developed the odd cold or sore throat and took authority over it in Christ and it disappeared. Looking to Christ our Healer, rather than the trouble is what this is about.

The facts may speak out that you are sick, but they lie---that is the natural speaking. We live in the supernatural as King's kids and we need to be reminded of that. The truth is that we can have divine health in Christ. His word speaks louder than anything else.
Pardon my saying so, but your idea doesn't seem to make any sense. I am supposed to take your recovery from a cold as a sign of Divine intervention?
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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2011, 04:20:07 PM »
Back to the topic. Reiterating:

"Those who kept their eyes on the bronze serpent lived. Those who focused on their wounds died. So stop looking at your sickness. Instead, look to the cross and see your sickness already judged in the body of Jesus. Surely He has borne your sicknesses and carried your pains! That is the truth of God’s Word. And His Word supersedes natural facts.

My friend, you let natural facts rule or establish God’s truths over your problem by what you choose to focus on. So decide today not to focus on the facts concerning your problem. Instead, establish the truth of God’s Word and Christ’s finished work over your problem — and live!"




What a blessing to know this and to practice this kind of faith daily!

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« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2011, 04:22:29 PM »
Excuse me Lively Stone, but what point are you trying to make here? What 'natural facts' are you refering to?

The facts we see in the natural, such as sickness! We have the authority of Christ to declare it null and void.

I have done this in my own life several times. I have developed the odd cold or sore throat and took authority over it in Christ and it disappeared. Looking to Christ our Healer, rather than the trouble is what this is about.

The facts may speak out that you are sick, but they lie---that is the natural speaking. We live in the supernatural as King's kids and we need to be reminded of that. The truth is that we can have divine health in Christ. His word speaks louder than anything else.
Pardon my saying so, but your idea doesn't seem to make any sense. I am supposed to take your recovery from a cold as a sign of Divine intervention?

Taking authority over  disease is what we are given to do. Many don't do it. What I said was a mere example---we can ward off the signs of sickness by our faith in Jesus' healing. When we don't do this, we are tacitly agreeing with the enemy, accepting sickness when we don't have to.
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Re: Look To The Word, Not Natural Facts
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2011, 04:22:42 PM »

The facts we see in the natural, such as sickness! We have the authority of Christ to declare it null and void.

I have done this in my own life several times. I have developed the odd cold or sore throat and took authority over it in Christ and it disappeared. Looking to Christ our Healer, rather than the trouble is what this is about.



Sounds a bit like the person that never has to go to the dentist, get eye glasses, or use medicine of any kind. Do you have health insurance, and if you do: why?  ::tippinghat::

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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2011, 04:24:53 PM »

The facts we see in the natural, such as sickness! We have the authority of Christ to declare it null and void.

I have done this in my own life several times. I have developed the odd cold or sore throat and took authority over it in Christ and it disappeared. Looking to Christ our Healer, rather than the trouble is what this is about.



Sounds a bit like the person that never has to go to the dentist, get eye glasses, or use medicine of any kind. Do you have health insurance, and if you do: why?  ::tippinghat::

It's possible.

There is a lot of spiritual truth in Prince's article. I thought I;d share it, never thinking I would get an uprising from the dark side.

It just shows me I am doing OK. Thank you, Jesus.

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Re: Look To The Word, Not Natural Facts
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2011, 04:26:51 PM »
Back to the topic. Reiterating:

"Those who kept their eyes on the bronze serpent lived. Those who focused on their wounds died. So stop looking at your sickness.



They did not die because they "focused on their wounds". This sophomoric handling of scripture is absurd at best. No where in that passage does it suggest such a thing. They died because "We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD and against you. "v. 7. This abuse of scripture you are engaged in to prove a false doctrine is shameful and needs to come to an end.

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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2011, 04:27:59 PM »

The facts we see in the natural, such as sickness! We have the authority of Christ to declare it null and void.

I have done this in my own life several times. I have developed the odd cold or sore throat and took authority over it in Christ and it disappeared. Looking to Christ our Healer, rather than the trouble is what this is about.



Sounds a bit like the person that never has to go to the dentist, get eye glasses, or use medicine of any kind. Do you have health insurance, and if you do: why?  ::tippinghat::

It's possible.

There is a lot of spiritual truth in Prince's article. I thought I;d share it, never thinking I would get an uprising from the dark side.

It just shows me I am doing OK. Thank you, Jesus.

What you see as the dark side is merely a difference in Bible interpretation. So many people are so quick to go right to saying that the dark side or devil is at work when in reality it's a difference in interpretation or belief.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."

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« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2011, 04:34:18 PM »
Back to the topic. Reiterating:

"Those who kept their eyes on the bronze serpent lived. Those who focused on their wounds died. So stop looking at your sickness.



They did not die because they "focused on their wounds". This sophomoric handling of scripture is absurd at best. No where in that passage does it suggest such a thing. They died because "We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD and against you. "v. 7. This abuse of scripture you are engaged in to prove a false doctrine is shameful and needs to come to an end.

If one did not look upon the serpent, they would die. That means they are focusing on the problem, not the thing that brings their healing...which represents Jesus Christ.

Eventually Israel elevated it to an idol.

2 Kings 18:4
He removed the pagan shrines, smashed the sacred pillars, and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke up the bronze serpent that Moses had made, because the people of Israel had been offering sacrifices to it. The bronze serpent was called Nehushtan.
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Re: Look To The Word, Not Natural Facts
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2011, 04:37:37 PM »

The facts we see in the natural, such as sickness! We have the authority of Christ to declare it null and void.

I have done this in my own life several times. I have developed the odd cold or sore throat and took authority over it in Christ and it disappeared. Looking to Christ our Healer, rather than the trouble is what this is about.



Sounds a bit like the person that never has to go to the dentist, get eye glasses, or use medicine of any kind. Do you have health insurance, and if you do: why?  ::tippinghat::

It's possible.

There is a lot of spiritual truth in Prince's article. I thought I;d share it, never thinking I would get an uprising from the dark side.

It just shows me I am doing OK. Thank you, Jesus.

What you see as the dark side is merely a difference in Bible interpretation. So many people are so quick to go right to saying that the dark side or devil is at work when in reality it's a difference in interpretation or belief.

I don't mind considering that we are dealing with a mere difference of interpretation, but the venom that has been generated without any provocation tells me there is a darkness to this opposition.

Seems people can't carry on a discussion but must jump immediately on something that is not completely understood, even though what is presented is a very small portion of the truth of the healing we have in Jesus Christ.

That should generate hope and joy.  ::headscratch:: ::headscratch:: ::headscratch::

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« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2011, 04:41:23 PM »

The facts we see in the natural, such as sickness! We have the authority of Christ to declare it null and void.

I have done this in my own life several times. I have developed the odd cold or sore throat and took authority over it in Christ and it disappeared. Looking to Christ our Healer, rather than the trouble is what this is about.



Sounds a bit like the person that never has to go to the dentist, get eye glasses, or use medicine of any kind. Do you have health insurance, and if you do: why?  ::tippinghat::
Kind of reminds me of a joke I read once: A Man gets caught in a flash flood, and is trapped on the roof of a building. After a little while, a Coast Guard cutter comes along, and the Guards offer to evacuate him to safer ground; the man refuses, saying "God will save me. He's always taken care of me. I'll be saved." A little while later another cutter comes along, and then a US Army helicopter. Each time the man refuses to be rescued, saying "God will save me. I'll be fine." Lo and behold, the floodwaters rise and the man is drowned. He finds himself standing in front of Heaven's gate with an angel by his side. The man says "I'm confused; God has always taken care of me, and given me prosperity. Why didn't He even try to save me?" The angel turns around disgusted and snaps, "Dimwit! We sent you two boats and a helicopter!"
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« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2011, 04:47:25 PM »
Excuse me Lively Stone, but what point are you trying to make here? What 'natural facts' are you refering to?

The facts we see in the natural, such as sickness! We have the authority of Christ to declare it null and void.

I have done this in my own life several times. I have developed the odd cold or sore throat and took authority over it in Christ and it disappeared. Looking to Christ our Healer, rather than the trouble is what this is about.

The facts may speak out that you are sick, but they lie---that is the natural speaking. We live in the supernatural as King's kids and we need to be reminded of that. The truth is that we can have divine health in Christ. His word speaks louder than anything else.
Pardon my saying so, but your idea doesn't seem to make any sense. I am supposed to take your recovery from a cold as a sign of Divine intervention?

Taking authority over  disease is what we are given to do. Many don't do it. what I said was a mere example---we can ward off the signs of sickness by our faith in Jesus' healing. When we don't do this, we are tacitly agreeing with the enemy, accepting sickness when we don't have to.
You cure yourself of colds by will power? Does that work for baldness? Could someone lose weight by taking Spiritual authority over their fat?
Jesu Optimus Maximus!

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« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2011, 06:37:42 PM »
Excuse me Lively Stone, but what point are you trying to make here? What 'natural facts' are you refering to?

The facts we see in the natural, such as sickness! We have the authority of Christ to declare it null and void.

I have done this in my own life several times. I have developed the odd cold or sore throat and took authority over it in Christ and it disappeared. Looking to Christ our Healer, rather than the trouble is what this is about.

The facts may speak out that you are sick, but they lie---that is the natural speaking. We live in the supernatural as King's kids and we need to be reminded of that. The truth is that we can have divine health in Christ. His word speaks louder than anything else.
Pardon my saying so, but your idea doesn't seem to make any sense. I am supposed to take your recovery from a cold as a sign of Divine intervention?

Taking authority over  disease is what we are given to do. Many don't do it. what I said was a mere example---we can ward off the signs of sickness by our faith in Jesus' healing. When we don't do this, we are tacitly agreeing with the enemy, accepting sickness when we don't have to.

You cure yourself of colds by will power? Does that work for baldness? Could someone lose weight by taking Spiritual authority over their fat?

Jumping to wrong conclusions, eh?

No one is healed by their will. It's God's will and His promise. It is for us as His children to appropriate it. We speak to our mountains and by our faith they move.

Matthew 17:20
“You don’t have enough faith,
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