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Re: Obama bashing, should Christians participate?
« Reply #35 on: Thu Jun 18, 2009 - 16:15:50 »
Should Christians participate? Heck, Christians are driving the irrational hate bus.


Prove it.



A good example (in my opinion) is Focus on the Family's hypothetical letter from 2012: link

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Re: Obama bashing, should Christians participate?
« Reply #36 on: Thu Jun 18, 2009 - 16:38:50 »
Should Christians participate? Heck, Christians are driving the irrational hate bus.


Prove it.



A good example (in my opinion) is Focus on the Family's hypothetical letter from 2012: link


FoF ≠ represent all Christians

Whatever FoF thinks of themselves, they do not represent all of Christendom. There IS no one who represents all of Christendom, except Christ.

I doubt that very many people are going to bother reading 16 pages of FoF drivel. I know I am not going to waste my time reading it.

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Re: Obama bashing, should Christians participate?
« Reply #37 on: Thu Jun 18, 2009 - 18:21:55 »
We should not be "bashing", but in my opinion, some of the beliefs that he holds are wrong and unbiblical.  Like, for example, his support of abortion and partial-birth abortion.  I think we can disagree with those beliefs politely, and rebuke him if necessary without bashing him.  We should not be rude or nasty when talking about him.  But there is nothing that says we can't disagree with his unbiblical, anti-Christian beliefs.  The ironic and to me, annoying, thing is that he 'calls himself" a Christian.  How can one be a Christian and yet believe in aborting babies?  I personally don't understand that at all.  But there are some "Christians" who do.  I think they are ...umm...well I have words for them but I'm not going to say them!!! 

Kristina  ::doh::

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Re: Obama bashing, should Christians participate?
« Reply #38 on: Fri Jun 19, 2009 - 00:17:33 »
We should not be "bashing", but in my opinion, some of the beliefs that he holds are wrong and unbiblical.  Like, for example, his support of abortion and partial-birth abortion.  I think we can disagree with those beliefs politely, and rebuke him if necessary without bashing him.  We should not be rude or nasty when talking about him.  But there is nothing that says we can't disagree with his unbiblical, anti-Christian beliefs.  The ironic and to me, annoying, thing is that he 'calls himself" a Christian.  How can one be a Christian and yet believe in aborting babies?  I personally don't understand that at all.  But there are some "Christians" who do.  I think they are ...umm...well I have words for them but I'm not going to say them!!! 

Kristina  ::doh::

I completely agree with this post.  Criticism is healthy and not forbidden.  I don't think empty bashing is acceptable or ad hominem attacks are good things.  But, our country was founded on judeo christian ethics and our culture is this way because of Judeo-Christian ethics (and failing because of our abandonment of this).

God loved the Israelites and said that all countries would be judged on how they treated Israel during the End Times.  And, although Obama just said the other day it would not be helpful if the United States was seen by the world as "meddling", he feels free to meddle when it comes to Israel and force them to give away more land. 

I can't help but strongly criticize him. 

You know, my husband said yesterday that all presidents in the past seemed to understand that they were filling a great role-- that they understood they were just men filling a Great Role and understood the magnitude of this role.  Obama, on the other hand, seems to believe he himself is a Great Man who is just filling a role.

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Re: Obama bashing, should Christians participate?
« Reply #39 on: Fri Jun 19, 2009 - 10:12:40 »
[...all  presidents in the past seemed to understand that they were filling a great role-- that they understood they were just men filling a Great Role and understood the magnitude of this role.  Obama, on the other hand, seems to believe he himself is a Great Man who is just filling a role.

I agree with this.

I will continue criticizing his principles and politics, and will not tolerate being called a racist for that criticism. It is so offensive, it is beyond words.

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Re: Obama bashing, should Christians participate?
« Reply #40 on: Fri Jun 19, 2009 - 10:20:10 »
[...all  presidents in the past seemed to understand that they were filling a great role-- that they understood they were just men filling a Great Role and understood the magnitude of this role.  Obama, on the other hand, seems to believe he himself is a Great Man who is just filling a role.

I agree with this.

I will continue criticizing his principles and politics, and will not tolerate being called a racist for that criticism. It is so offensive, it is beyond words.


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Re: Obama bashing, should Christians participate?
« Reply #41 on: Fri Jun 19, 2009 - 11:29:52 »
It's amazing that many criticize Obama and say little or nothing about other presidents and world leaders who conspire to bring us into a one world government. The Illuminati controls the government itself. Wolrd leaders, the golbal elite are doing the will of their father the devil, subtly bringing us into a new world order. Even the American dollar bill has symbology of the one world government, yet people scream at Obama?

The Illuminati plotted 9/11, they plotted wars that have happened and the coming third world war that is obviously going to happen soon. They plotted this econimic crash that were headed to. Why do people not speak out against these leaders? They raise our taxes as a way to keep people in financial bondage. That is a way to control people when they are in debt and financial bondage.

They would need order of chaos in order to bring in a one world government. World warfare, poverty, debt and no jobs along with desensitizng people morally, the break down of marriages, and getting the church itself to be lukewarm people who are asleep spiritually. You can see all this going on and it's been going on for years, but people blame Obama? That's ridiculous.

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Re: Obama bashing, should Christians participate?
« Reply #42 on: Fri Jun 19, 2009 - 11:34:06 »
Should Christians participate? Heck, Christians are driving the irrational hate bus.

Prove it.


Already sent you a personal messsage with two recent incidents done not by your average citicizen, but GOP officials.

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Re: Obama bashing, should Christians participate?
« Reply #43 on: Fri Jun 19, 2009 - 11:35:59 »
It's amazing that many criticize Obama and say little or nothing about other presidents and world leaders who conspire to bring us into a one world government. The Illuminati controls the government itself. Wolrd leaders, the golbal elite are doing the will of their father the devil, subtly bringing us into a new world order. Even the American dollar bill has symbology of the one world government, yet people scream at Obama?

The Illuminati plotted 9/11, they plotted wars that have happened and the coming third world war that is obviously going to happen soon. They plotted this econimic crash that were headed to. Why do people not speak out against these leaders? They raise our taxes as a way to keep people in financial bondage. That is a way to control people when they are in debt and financial bondage.

They would need order of chaos in order to bring in a one world government. World warfare, poverty, debt and no jobs along with desensitizng people morally, the break down of marriages, and getting the church itself to be lukewarm people who are asleep spiritually. You can see all this going on and it's been going on for years, but people blame Obama? That's ridiculous.

We didn't vote in those other world leaders, have no say-so over what they do, what they uphold, how they plan to destroy the United States.

Obama IS our choice, our "leader", the one we have say-so over. Obama is SUPPOSED to be on OUR side.

Can't prove it by me.

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Re: Obama bashing, should Christians participate?
« Reply #44 on: Fri Jun 19, 2009 - 11:36:38 »
Should Christians participate? Heck, Christians are driving the irrational hate bus.

Prove it.


Already sent you a personal messsage with two recent incidents done not by your average citicizen, but GOP officials.

This is so old. Why did you bring it to the front?

(BTW, "staff"/"activists" ≠ "officials")

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Re: Obama bashing, should Christians participate?
« Reply #45 on: Fri Jun 19, 2009 - 11:53:44 »
Should Christians participate? Heck, Christians are driving the irrational hate bus.

Prove it.


Already sent you a personal messsage with two recent incidents done not by your average citicizen, but GOP officials.

This is so old. Why did you bring it to the front?

(BTW, "staff"/"activists" ≠ "officials")


The incidents occured this month, not sure what old means to you or are you saying since I already brought it up to you, it's old?

I brought up because some called my bluff.

Would you like me to link you to the Obama is the antichrist thread?

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Re: Obama bashing, should Christians participate?
« Reply #46 on: Fri Jun 19, 2009 - 12:03:18 »
I also should have added that recently Obama said that we weren't a Judeo Christian nation. (can't post links yet, but here:  usnews.com/articles/opinion/2009/05/07/obama-is-wrong-when-he-says-were-not-a-judeo-christian-nation.html )

Yet, right after that, he said the  United States could be considered the largest Muslim nation!  (worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100019)

How can one NOT criticize this?  Does anyone here actually think we ought to?


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Re: Obama bashing, should Christians participate?
« Reply #47 on: Fri Jun 19, 2009 - 12:06:58 »
I also should have added that recently ABM said that we weren't a Jude Christian nation. (can't post links yet, but here: sinews.com/articles/opinion/2009/05/07/.HTML )

Yet, right after that, he said the United States could be considered the largest Muslim nation!  (world netdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&page Id=100019)

How can one NOT criticize this? Does anyone here actually think we ought to?



That is not what he said.

(see Phoebe....reality seems to be elusive here).

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Re: Obama bashing, should Christians participate?
« Reply #48 on: Fri Jun 19, 2009 - 23:25:46 »
I also should have added that recently ABM said that we weren't a Jude Christian nation. (can't post links yet, but here: sinews.com/articles/opinion/2009/05/07/.HTML )

Yet, right after that, he said the United States could be considered the largest Muslim nation!  (world netdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&page Id=100019)

How can one NOT criticize this? Does anyone here actually think we ought to?




That is not what he said.

(see Phoebe....reality seems to be elusive here).


No, this is exactly what he said.  He said this: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/04/obamas_christian_nation_1.html

He also said that we could be considered one of the largest Muslim nations.

I understand you think I'm taking his statements out of context.  However, I don't think I am.  The value systems of Christianity and islam are entirely different.  Jesus and Muhammad were entirely different and preached entirely different-- even the opposite--  messages.  Jesus' message was peace, Muhammad's message was war.  Jesus' was honesty and love and leading by example; Muhammad's was furthering Islam by whatever means necessary.  A country with an Islamic value system is a country that practices Sharia law--  not at all compatible with democracy founded in Judeo-Christian principles. 




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« Reply #49 on: Fri Jun 19, 2009 - 23:31:02 »
Bash? No.
Critique? Yes.

Unless "should" imputes some mandatory activity. In which case, no.

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« Reply #50 on: Sat Jun 20, 2009 - 00:01:24 »


We didn't vote in those other world leaders, have no say-so over what they do, what they uphold, how they plan to destroy the United States.

Obama IS our choice, our "leader", the one we have say-so over. Obama is SUPPOSED to be on OUR side.

Can't prove it by me.


You say that you didn't vote those people in, but what about past presidents? You, the voters, voted them in, and they stand for the one world government. The truth is, they don't want you running, if you don't stand for what they stand for. 

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« Reply #51 on: Sun Jun 21, 2009 - 13:27:49 »

1 Timothy 2:1-3
1  I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2  For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3  For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

Is it possible that God actually meant for us to pray for our president's downfall? In that case I've been praying wrong then.


Acts 23:5   - - It is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people.

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Re: Obama bashing, should Christians participate?
« Reply #52 on: Sun Jun 21, 2009 - 14:28:10 »

Acts 23:5   - - It is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people.

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Period.

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« Reply #53 on: Sun Jun 21, 2009 - 14:40:23 »
Acts 23:5   - - It is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people.

Hmm. Suppose it might be questionable as what is meant by "ruler of thy people"?

I have never considered a president (or mayor, or even schoolboard member) as my ruler. Figurehead perhaps, but not ruler.

But then, I idealistically think there to be only one Ruler.

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« Reply #54 on: Sun Jun 21, 2009 - 14:51:28 »
As I've said before, Obama is no Ruler.  This country got rid of that system a long time ago.  He is nothing more than a public servant, hired to represent the U.S.  If he is not doing a good job, he is subject to critique just like any other employee would be.

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Re: Obama bashing, should Christians participate?
« Reply #55 on: Sun Jun 21, 2009 - 15:04:10 »
As I've said before, Obama is no Ruler.  This country got rid of that system a long time ago.  He is nothing more than a public servant, hired to represent the U.S.  If he is not doing a good job, he is subject to critique just like any other employee would be.

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sopranette


Sopranette, this country never had a "ruler" until Obama-- at least according to his transition team.  http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/11/10/obama-spokesman-says-obama-ready-rule-day-1

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« Reply #56 on: Sun Jun 21, 2009 - 17:39:16 »
Acts 23:5   - - It is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people. 

It is "high priest".

Do you know WHERE, exactly, "it is written"?

YLT translates that verse: "and Paul said, `I did not know, brethren, that he is chief priest: for it hath been written, Of the ruler of thy people thou shalt not speak evil;'"

...so I don't think it's referring to all people and all rulers, but something specific in this particular location and time, indicating that he could not tell that this man was a high priest because of the way others were speaking badly about him-which was against their local law.

And, it wasn't that Paul was "criticizing" him, it was that he was "reviling" him, calling him out.

So far, in the United States of America, we are free to criticize our leaders. It is a constitutionally protected right. Against such we have no law.

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« Reply #57 on: Sun Jun 21, 2009 - 18:22:43 »

1     Romans 13:1-2   "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God."

2    "Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God

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« Reply #58 on: Mon Jun 22, 2009 - 12:27:43 »
I also should have added that recently ABM said that we weren't a Jude Christian nation. (can't post links yet, but here: sinews.com/articles/opinion/2009/05/07/.HTML )

Yet, right after that, he said the United States could be considered the largest Muslim nation!  (world netdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&page Id=100019)

How can one NOT criticize this? Does anyone here actually think we ought to?




That is not what he said.

(see Phoebe....reality seems to be elusive here).


No, this is exactly what he said.  He said this: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/04/obamas_christian_nation_1.html

He also said that we could be considered one of the largest Muslim nations.

I understand you think I'm taking his statements out of context.  However, I don't think I am.  The value systems of Christianity and islam are entirely different.  Jesus and Muhammad were entirely different and preached entirely different-- even the opposite--  messages.  Jesus' message was peace, Muhammad's message was war.  Jesus' was honesty and love and leading by example; Muhammad's was furthering Islam by whatever means necessary.  A country with an Islamic value system is a country that practices Sharia law--  not at all compatible with democracy founded in Judeo-Christian principles.  






This is what you claimed Obama said, , "United States could be considered the largest Muslim nation."

There is no statement like that in your link, so again, I await your direct quote from Obama, for taking his comment out of context when you don't first quote them directly, and then infer they mean something other then directly quoted is exactly what you are doing.

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« Reply #59 on: Mon Jun 22, 2009 - 13:07:37 »

1     Romans 13:1-2   "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God."

2    "Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God

In Jesus' name - larry2



larry - was this your response to my question?

If so, I don't think it quite makes the grade. You have a ref. for #2?

The question is, where is it written: "Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people"?

"It is written" and then a quote means that if it was meant for us, we should be able to find it written exactly or nearly exactly that way elsewhere in Scripture before this in Acts 23. What you have given me is something that sorta is on the topic, but not before the statement "It is written..." was made in Acts 23.

Got something else for consideration? Looking for "Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people".

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« Reply #60 on: Mon Jun 22, 2009 - 17:31:07 »

Dear Phoebe, I'm not quite sure why a search didn't produce the following examples, but hopefully this helps.

KJV - Acts 23:5   - - It is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people.

NIVUS - Acts 23:5   - - Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people.

NRSV - Acts 23:5   - - You shall not speak evil of a leader of your people.

ESV - Acts 23:5   - - You shall not speak evil of a ruler of your people

Interlinear -  Acts 23:5 - - You shall not speak evil of a ruler of your people.
 
New Jerusalem -  Acts 23:5  - - You will not curse your people's leader.

In Jesus' name - larry2


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Re: Obama bashing, should Christians participate?
« Reply #61 on: Mon Jun 22, 2009 - 19:57:02 »
I've heard that Obama drowns kittens for fun.  



Edit:  my bad...I thought it said "Obama Bashing: Christians should participate"

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