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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #75 on: November 12, 2008, 12:04:12 PM »
God has a plan for our lives so what happens will be decided by him anyways.


So whether you live or not is not decided by the weapon you carry.

(as seen with David vs Goliath....God chose David to be the victor).

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« Reply #76 on: November 12, 2008, 12:05:36 PM »
  Well- that leads to an obvious question. In 1986 President Reagan signed a ban on machine guns. Ten years later the 3rd circuit court of appeals upheld the power of congress to limit ownership of certain type of weapons. So- praytell- why is Montana still a state? Are you guys all talk and no action?

Seriously- why our my taxes dollars going to your state- which according to you, because of gun control (some of it more than 20 years old), no longer has a desire to be part of this union.  As i am sure y ou now this country spent three million dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana....Gary I think you and fellow residents need to give the money back and the follow through and secede.

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« Reply #77 on: November 12, 2008, 12:09:03 PM »
 Well- that leads to an obvious question. In 1986 President Reagan signed a ban on machine guns. Ten years later the 3rd circuit court of appeals upheld the power of congress to limit ownership of certain type of weapons. So- praytell- why is Montana still a state? Are you guys all talk and no action?

Seriously- why our my taxes dollars going to your state- which according to you, because of gun control (some of it more than 20 years old), no longer has a desire to be part of this union.  As i am sure y ou now this country spent three million dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana....Gary I think you and fellow residents need to give the money back and the follow through and secede.

And again, what does your argument have to do with whether Christians should have guns?  Where is your scriptural argument?

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #78 on: November 12, 2008, 12:29:40 PM »
I am just following your lead. If your read your post on this thread you will not find one comment by you  based on scripture...NOT ONE ! Instead you argue (on at least three posts) that ownership of guns is a culutral issue.

And that is where you are sadly mistaken.

My mission is refute the notion that guns have anything to do with american culture. There is no basis for your arguement...and if you doubt that- as I have pointed out here- just ask the 3rd circuit court of appeals, the supreme court and even president reagan

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #79 on: November 12, 2008, 12:43:38 PM »
Here's one for you.

the anti-gun cooks always scream out the statitics of violent crimes due to illegal hand guns. 
My question is how many violent crimes are commited with legally owned hand guns?

You can bet it's far less han illegal ones.

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« Reply #80 on: November 12, 2008, 12:45:41 PM »
  Snargles is right. The 2nd ammandment does not provide a right to individuals to own hand guns. As written it is alll about militias, if this point was not true than any gun control legilsation would be unconsititional...but as we know from the Clinton adminstration certain weapons have been banned.

The question here seems basically absurd. Guns are tools of death and Christians should have no part of them. Anyone who disagrees answer this question: is it all right for a chrisitan to own condoms?
The Supreme Court of the United States disagrees with you both.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91913260

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« Reply #81 on: November 12, 2008, 12:47:24 PM »
Here's one for you.

the anti-gun cooks always scream out the statitics of violent crimes due to illegal hand guns. 
My question is how many violent crimes are commited with legally owned hand guns?

You can bet it's far less han illegal ones.

More importantly, how many crimes have been prevented by legal gun owners?  That rarely makes the news.

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #82 on: November 12, 2008, 01:13:38 PM »
Should Christians own guns?

Only if they want to.

Some have argued that prayer should be our shield and allow God to protect us, with this I agree but, How does God protect you.

Hypothetical:

How many of you would pray for God's protection and safety then deliberately step out into oncoming traffic, jump off a 10 story building or jump head first into a barrel of broken glass and expect God to protect and save you?

God's protection, although supernatural in origin, is not always supernatural in method.

Also this idea of letting others sin so I can be safe is garbage.  If it were a sin for a Christian to carry a gun it is a sin for EVERYONE and that includes police, military and whoever.



Christians should not own guns for the same reason they should not take antibiotics or use a seat belt.

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« Reply #83 on: November 12, 2008, 01:41:19 PM »
  Snargles is right. The 2nd ammandment does not provide a right to individuals to own hand guns. As written it is alll about militias, if this point was not true than any gun control legilsation would be unconsititional...but as we know from the Clinton adminstration certain weapons have been banned.

The question here seems basically absurd. Guns are tools of death and Christians should have no part of them. Anyone who disagrees answer this question: is it all right for a chrisitan to own condoms?
The Supreme Court of the United States disagrees with you both.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91913260


Obviously I have a better understanding of history than does the Supreme Court. Maybe Barack should appoint me to the court.

I have no problem with owning guns to kill varmits or to put food on the table. Back a few pages I think the point of this thread was clarified to mean should we own guns to protect ourselves by killing allgeged threats.

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #84 on: November 12, 2008, 03:25:48 PM »
No, a sword in hand keeps another's in its scabbard.  Legal gun ownership keeps crimes from happening, otherwise only the criminals will be armed.  And if, for some very strange reason my husband were to go beserk and go after our children intending to kill them, I would definitely do everything in my power to stop him.  Maybe you live in the city, with lots of police ready to come at a moment's notice, but out here it can take quite a while.  And there are parts of the US were there is only maybe one cop for every 30 miles or so.

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Wow.  Wow.  Wow.

Hail to you maiden,

Wow.

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #85 on: November 12, 2008, 03:32:13 PM »
Chuck,

Here it is.  It is strictly my own self preservating  opinion and conviction that I will absolutely shoot and I will absolutely kill a physical transgressor against my person and being if there is no other way out of it.  And I have.

I truly operate by Live by the gun - Love by the cross.

If I can lead the intruder(s) violators to the Lord, like I do with the Marxist Banditos that wish to kill me for a 'toll' when I cross from Honduras into Nicaragua, that is the better plan and mission.

Hope that is more clear cut for you.

Robert

Thanks Robert, I appreciate you explaining your opinions and your reasoning behind it.

But Chuck is my father.

Hee, hee, Hail, your daddy then.

Charles,


I had to answer as you ask the direct question and it is best I could formulate for truth. I truly try in ernest to win over those guys down on the Honduran border, but I have failed on several times and depending on how much cocaine they have in their minds, depends on how the outcome is. 

If it decays where I cannot get out of it with the Bic-Lighter-Over- The-Gas-Cans deal on the back of VEX, then trouble ensues. Afterwards, I truly look upon the offal of despair and say to my self in thankful prayer, "let God sort it out, He will know his own...."

I wish to live another day and RAMS don't do 'tolls'.

Thank you for your response, Charles.

Robert





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« Reply #86 on: November 12, 2008, 03:35:04 PM »
 Well- that leads to an obvious question. In 1986 President Reagan signed a ban on machine guns. Ten years later the 3rd circuit court of appeals upheld the power of congress to limit ownership of certain type of weapons. So- praytell- why is Montana still a state? Are you guys all talk and no action?

Seriously- why our my taxes dollars going to your state- which according to you, because of gun control (some of it more than 20 years old), no longer has a desire to be part of this union.  As i am sure y ou now this country spent three million dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana....Gary I think you and fellow residents need to give the money back and the follow through and secede.

My home sate of origins in life, Montana,  and now New Mexico and Mexico the country, at many times, Montana and New Mexico wishes to recede from this union.

A good idea.

Robert

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #87 on: November 12, 2008, 03:41:00 PM »
   Gary asked for scripture against guns- obviously there is none of that is the bible predates guns, but there certainly is are passages about violence

' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

That's seems drastically differenent then  "It is strictly my own self preservating  opinion and conviction that I will absolutely shoot and I will absolutely kill a physical transgressor against my person and being if there is no other way out of it.  And I have."


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« Reply #88 on: November 12, 2008, 03:49:24 PM »
in today's world condems are meant for protection. Gee- why does that word sound so familar...oh, that's right because it's the same one you used Gary to describe why you have a gun.

Simple fact of the matter- and the supreme court has backed this up time and time again- there is no consitutional proection for the rightsd of indivdual to have guns

The right of the individual to have and bear firearms - 2nd Amendment.

Robert

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« Reply #89 on: November 12, 2008, 03:51:11 PM »
The question which began this thread isn't the right question.  The question is why would a Christian own a gun.  There are many reasons why they would own guns.  However, if the only reason they want to possess a firearm is to commit murder or to injure others, then of course they should cut off their right to own a gun.