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The Big Bad Delta Variant
« on: Fri Sep 17, 2021 - 14:08:24 »
The delta variant hit Michigan in June, and by the end of the first week of July there were 54 known cases in the state.

The overall confirmed death rate was 2.208% on July 1st, 2021 in Michigan.

As of today, September 17th, in the throes of the delta variant, the death rate is 2.09%, a reduction of 0.108%.

Look at the stats in your state, don't just blindly trust the mainstream media narrative.

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« Reply #1 on: Fri Sep 17, 2021 - 19:11:49 »
The numbers are showing Delta to be much more easily spread but less deadly than the original CoV-19.  The Beta variant is less comunicable but about 2x as deadly as the original.

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Re: The Big Bad Delta Variant
« Reply #2 on: Fri Sep 17, 2021 - 20:18:39 »
The delta variant hit Michigan in June, and by the end of the first week of July there were 54 known cases in the state.

The overall confirmed death rate was 2.208% on July 1st, 2021 in Michigan.

As of today, September 17th, in the throes of the delta variant, the death rate is 2.09%, a reduction of 0.108%.

Look at the stats in your state, don't just blindly trust the mainstream media narrative.

Yesterday I went for my flue shot and was in line behind a man picking up scripts.

Things were moving a bit slow and he started to talk about having a large lump on his shoulder... not from a shot... and he went to the ER
at the closest hospital and they were too busy to see him. One woman had been on a motor cycle and had an accident and they had placed her outside with an ice bag on her gashed forehead.

So he left to go to the next closest hospital and the very same thing (this 2nd one is the one my friend died in) He said the ER was totally jammed, so he left again and decided to try a MedExpress... They were so full that they were not allowing new patients in.

No idea why..... and he got called to the window and I did not have a chance to ask him if he had any.

My state stats I dont trust cause they jump all over the board.

I only am going by actual doctor experiences.

BTW the Walgreen I was in said they are vaccinating about 8 people a day.... the line there was for the flu.

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Re: The Big Bad Delta Variant
« Reply #3 on: Fri Sep 17, 2021 - 22:03:12 »
ARIZONA'S COVID STATUS

    My current State, Arizona, is being hit hard. Most days show anywhere from 2 to 3 thousand new cases. Deaths vary from up to a few on better days to up in the fifties and sixties on bad days. The bad days far exceed the "good" days

    Our local News Stations report that 90 percent of hospitalizations and deaths are those who have not received the Covid injections.

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« Reply #4 on: Sat Sep 18, 2021 - 04:12:25 »
ARIZONA'S COVID STATUS

    My current State, Arizona, is being hit hard. Most days show anywhere from 2 to 3 thousand new cases. Deaths vary from up to a few on better days to up in the fifties and sixties on bad days. The bad days far exceed the "good" days

    Our local News Stations report that 90 percent of hospitalizations and deaths are those who have not received the Covid injections.

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Do not get me started on this subject, but I will say this: the media LIES, it is a scare tactic of theirs, for just about everyone in this business are super liberal. Do you really trust what they say?

Natural immunity to covid is powerful~MUCH MORE so than the vaccine itself!

Once a person has gotten the covid-19 that is their best protection they could have from getting the virus again~98 % have recovered who have gotten the virus and again, that recovery for them IS THE BEST protection they could ever have.....NOT for them running and getting a vaccine for it~for the LONG TERM of the present vaccines that are given, its effect NO ONE yet knows what that may be~even short term has proven FATAL for some or left them with a serious problem that they may never recover from.

Consider this article and there are many more that can be provided. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/09/15/natural-immunity-vaccine-mandate/
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Re: The Big Bad Delta Variant
« Reply #5 on: Sat Sep 18, 2021 - 06:48:57 »


Natural immunity to covid is powerful~MUCH MORE so than the vaccine itself!

Once a person has gotten the covid-19 that is their best protection they could have from getting the virus again~98 % have recovered who have gotten the virus and again, that recovery for them IS THE BEST protection they could ever have.....



Agreed.  I said that a month ago on here where everyone NEEDS to get it to eliminate it.

BUT there is no reason why every single person who has not have it should be infected with it and then MONITORED.

No more let nature take its course but a controlled situation

But it was around that time that I mentioned lets all go out and get it that a member here said they had had covid twice.

IF THAT IS TRUE... then their immunity is no longer then those who take a shot.
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Re: The Big Bad Delta Variant
« Reply #6 on: Sat Sep 18, 2021 - 07:34:39 »
PA Dept of Health and the Governors office.

The numbers: There are 1,370,247 positive COVID-19 cases in Pennsylvania.

That is all they are reporting. Other then graphs and county by county of positives and deaths.

WITH THAT BEING SAID.

Does this not seem too odd to anyone else.


By odd, I mean...

Last year we had Pre-vaccine people who got it and survived or they died. The numbers were very large.

Now we have the vaccines and depending on who you hear 60 to 75 % of the people have  the shots... or at least one.

Last year the hospitals were over flowing in  many places.

This year... after the shots the hospitals are over flowing... again. Some had the shots most did not.

So now... with the total population  ... at minimum 60% having their shots... the hospitals STILL are climbing again to the maximum filled beds.

So 40% or LESS of the people are no better off then 100% were last year before shots.

All due to a variant? (Delta)

That is quite a bioweapon the CCP created with the help of money from the US and weasel face


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« Reply #7 on: Sat Sep 18, 2021 - 16:16:45 »
RB:

    "The media LIES, it is a scare tactic of theirs [that 90 percent of hospitalizations and deaths have not had the injections], for just about everyone in this business are super liberal. Do you really trust what they say?"

    In a Court of Law, RB, what specific evidence would you introduce that most hospitalizations and deaths cannot be attributed to lack of Covid injections? Assertions and pronouncements such as yours would not be accepted in a Court of Law. Your "testimony" would be thrown out on its heels.

    I strongly recommend you start embracing reality. Tell me, do you accept as facts or reality any segment of news advocated by your so-called "scare tactics" news media? If you do believe some of their newscasts, on what level or principle do you employ to activate your consensus? Is is based on hear-say evidence or solid documentation?

    To soothe your spirit just a little, I, too, believe the "professional" news media is often guilty of distorting news in their favor to win support of their inflated political concepts. But on this matter of Covid occurrences, hospitalizations and deaths, including those in my State of Arizona, they are largely accurate. So please open up a bit to the possibility you are incorrect in your inflated analysis.

Kindly,

Buff
   
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Re: The Big Bad Delta Variant
« Reply #8 on: Sat Sep 18, 2021 - 16:24:13 »
PA Dept of Health and the Governors office.

The numbers: There are 1,370,247 positive COVID-19 cases in Pennsylvania.

That is all they are reporting. Other then graphs and county by county of positives and deaths.

WITH THAT BEING SAID.

Does this not seem too odd to anyone else.


By odd, I mean...

Last year we had Pre-vaccine people who got it and survived or they died. The numbers were very large.

Now we have the vaccines and depending on who you hear 60 to 75 % of the people have  the shots... or at least one.

Last year the hospitals were over flowing in  many places.

This year... after the shots the hospitals are over flowing... again. Some had the shots most did not.

So now... with the total population  ... at minimum 60% having their shots... the hospitals STILL are climbing again to the maximum filled beds.

So 40% or LESS of the people are no better off then 100% were last year before shots.

All due to a variant? (Delta)

That is quite a bioweapon the CCP created with the help of money from the US and weasel face




From https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/disease/coronavirus/Pages/Cases.aspx

Total Cases:  1,370,247 (includes probables, which is garbage).
Actual Total Cases:  1,142,299
Recovered:  91% (or 1,039,492 of actual total cases)
Deaths:  28,845
Active Cases (Past 30 Days):   73,962

Death Demographics:
0-9:  35 (not given, and doubt it, but got it from math) (0.12% of deaths)
10-19: 17 (0.06% of deaths)
20-29: 58 (0.20% of deaths)
30-39: 173 (0.60% of deaths)
40-49: 514 (1.78% of deaths)
50-59: 1587 (5.5% of deaths)
60-69: 4197 (14.55% of deaths)
70-79: 6870 (23.82% of deaths)
80+: 15394 (53.37% of deaths)

91.74% of deaths of/with Covid in PA are older than 60.
97.24% of deaths of/with Covid in PA are older than 50
99% of deaths of/with Covid in PA are older than 40.

So much for the "young" deaths thingy.  "The Science" or in this case, the actual data blows that media story out of the water.

As far as the hospitals are full stuff:
Covid Patients:  2337
Covid ICU Patients:  589
Covid Patients on Ventilators:  283
Ventilators in Use Non-Covid:  1235

Total % of Beds Used By Covid Patients:
Adult ICU:  16.7%
Medical/Surgical:  11.7%
Pediatric:  24.3%
Isolation:  33.3%


Hospitals routinely run about 75% full.  The extra strain of covid patients does present a challenge.  But so does mandating vaccines, and having healthcare workers quit.  Even 5-10% of workers quitting or on furlough for refusing vaccination causes additional problems.

The news does not tell you the truth.  Please do your own research, the spin you get from the news is not the truth.

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Re: The Big Bad Delta Variant
« Reply #9 on: Sat Sep 18, 2021 - 16:51:38 »
RB:

    "The media LIES, it is a scare tactic of theirs [that 90 percent of hospitalizations and deaths have not had the injections], for just about everyone in this business are super liberal. Do you really trust what they say?"

    In a Court of Law, RB, what specific evidence would you introduce that most hospitalizations and deaths cannot be attributed to lack of Covid injections? Assertions and pronouncements such as yours would not be accepted in a Court of Law. Your "testimony" would be thrown out on its heels.

    I strongly recommend you start embracing reality. Tell me, do you accept as facts or reality any segment of news advocated by your so-called "scare tactics" news media? If you do believe some of their newscasts, on what level or principle do you employ to activate your consensus? Is is based on hear-say evidence or solid documentations?

    To soothe your spirit just a little, I, too, believe the "professional" news media is often guilty of distorting news in their favor to win support of their inflated political concepts. But on this matter of Covid occurrences, hospitalizations and deaths, including those in my State of Arizona, they are largely accurate. So please open up a bit to the possibility you are incorrect in your inflated analysis.

Kindly,

Buff


I do not believe anything I hear from the news media.  I go straight to the data instead. 

For Arizona (https://www.azdhs.gov/covid19/data/index.php):

Cases:  1,064,346
Cases (Last 30 Days):  76,980
Deaths:  19,487

Arizona's website is a bit worse than other states to use, so it is hard to get an accurate count of active cases, but it is maximum of 76,980 using a 30 day standard from onset like many states do.

Death Demographics:
0-19:  36 (0.18% of deaths)
20-44:  924 (4.74% of deaths)
45-54:  1343 (6.89% of deaths)
55-64:  2,922 (15% of deaths)
65+:  14,262 (73.19% of deaths)

The spacing of 20-44 is a bit weird, since more deaths occur at higher ages.  But still, the truly young account for very few of the overall deaths.

Hospital Usage (As of 9/17):
ICU Beds - 157 beds available, 1,033 used by non-Covid patients, 553 used by Covid patients.  Covid use 31.7%
Inpatient Beds - 681 beds available, 6,096 used by non-Covid patients, 1,981 used by Covid patients.  Covid use 22.6%
Emergency Beds - 39% available, no data on this for Covid use.
Ventilator Use - 367 used by covid, 549 non-covid, 1,509 available.

Similar results to PA.  Although the number of ICU beds used by covid patients is a bit higher.  Lots of retirement communities in the Phoenix area.  Wonder if that contributes.

PA - Fully Vaccinated is 56.2%
AZ - Fully Vaccinated is 50.1%



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« Reply #10 on: Sat Sep 18, 2021 - 17:10:17 »
FACT - REALITY - DOCUMENTATION

    Eighty-five to ninety percent of current hospitalizations and deaths have accurately been attributed to those who have either neglected or refused to get the Covid injections.

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Re: The Big Bad Delta Variant
« Reply #11 on: Sat Sep 18, 2021 - 17:42:30 »
FACT - REALITY - DOCUMENTATION

    Eighty-five to ninety percent of current hospitalizations and deaths have accurately been attributed to those who have either neglected or refused to get the Covid injections.

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You saying it isn't a fact.  Where is your documentation?

News articles don't count. 

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Re: The Big Bad Delta Variant
« Reply #12 on: Sat Sep 18, 2021 - 19:20:43 »
I do not believe anything I hear from the news media.  I go straight to the data instead. 

For Arizona (https://www.azdhs.gov/covid19/data/index.php):

Cases:  1,064,346
Cases (Last 30 Days):  76,980
Deaths:  19,487

Arizona's website is a bit worse than other states to use, so it is hard to get an accurate count of active cases, but it is maximum of 76,980 using a 30 day standard from onset like many states do.

Death Demographics:
0-19:  36 (0.18% of deaths)
20-44:  924 (4.74% of deaths)
45-54:  1343 (6.89% of deaths)
55-64:  2,922 (15% of deaths)
65+:  14,262 (73.19% of deaths)

The spacing of 20-44 is a bit weird, since more deaths occur at higher ages.  But still, the truly young account for very few of the overall deaths.

Hospital Usage (As of 9/17):
ICU Beds - 157 beds available, 1,033 used by non-Covid patients, 553 used by Covid patients.  Covid use 31.7%
Inpatient Beds - 681 beds available, 6,096 used by non-Covid patients, 1,981 used by Covid patients.  Covid use 22.6%
Emergency Beds - 39% available, no data on this for Covid use.
Ventilator Use - 367 used by covid, 549 non-covid, 1,509 available.

Similar results to PA.  Although the number of ICU beds used by covid patients is a bit higher.  Lots of retirement communities in the Phoenix area.  Wonder if that contributes.

PA - Fully Vaccinated is 56.2%
AZ - Fully Vaccinated is 50.1%

Thanks TC

The PA health department is lying... obviously.

Businesses are trying to make people wear masks again.... It is not working

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« Reply #13 on: Sat Sep 18, 2021 - 20:18:28 »
FACT OR NOT A FACT?

"You saying it isn't a fact. Where is your documentation?"—Texas Conservative.

You apparently mis-read me. I indicated it is a fact—a reality.—Buff.

    P. S. Oh, by the way, a few minutes ago, on one of my local News stations, almost 3,000 new cases in Arizona were reported, plus over 100 deaths—within the last 24 hours.
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« Reply #14 on: Sat Sep 18, 2021 - 21:29:38 »
FACT OR NOT A FACT?

"You saying it isn't a fact. Where is your documentation?"—Texas Conservative.

You apparently mis-read me. I indicated it is a fact—a reality.—Buff.

    P. S. Oh, by the way, a few minutes ago, on one of my local News stations, almost 3,000 new cases in Arizona were reported, plus over 100 deaths—within the last 24 hours.


No, I did not misread you   You indicating that something is a fact means nothing.  Provide some proof.  You are just repeating what the news tells you.  Without doing your research, and just repeating what the news says.

Further, there were not 100 new deaths in 24 hours.  That's not how the reporting works.  The 100 deaths, are newly reported deaths, not deaths that occurred in the last 24 hours.  Those are new deaths spread out over the previous weeks.  It takes time for the local health departments to gather all the death certificates, examine them, and report them to the state.


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« Reply #15 on: Sat Sep 18, 2021 - 22:56:11 »
PROOF OR NO PROOF

   If time tomorrow will allow me, I will submit proof. Tomorrow is my weekly column day. Like a copy? Or maybe two copies!

    No hurt intended, but I have a hunch you will not accept any proof I offer as legitimate proof. I've been reading you on this issue long enough to offer my opinion of what you consider genuine evidence.

    No, your usage of "isn't" in Reply #11 does not coincide with what I posted. Look at it again. But no big deal. Until tomorrow, when I submit proof of my remarks, Goodnight.

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    P. S. Oh, on the number of deaths within a 24-hour period, you are partially right and partially wrong. I think I know what's going on in Arizona more than you do. I've lived here since 1990 and I'm somewhat a-keen to reliable news sources in this neighborhood.

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 I think I know what's going on in Arizona more than you do. I've lived here since 1990 and I'm somewhat a-keen to reliable news sources in this neighborhood.

You should know by now that using the old appeal to authority fallacy won't get you far with Texas Conservative.

He keeps asking you for credible data that supports your claim, and all he gets from you is "my tv told me so" and "I know more about it than you do" comments. smh



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Re: The Big Bad Delta Variant
« Reply #17 on: Sun Sep 19, 2021 - 09:19:11 »
I’m convinced we are soon going to be astonished at the truth of this virus, especially the inexplicable reluctance to treat with known therapeutics early on. I know the spouses of half a dozen people that died and to a person, the doctors did absolutely nothing early on. A sure death sentence according to my doctor. It seems the main stream medical establishment was hellbent on making sure the only acceptable treatment was a ventilator in the hospital. The people we know that recovered were aggressively treated early to prevent pneumonia AND hospitalization. It’s ALMOST like there needed to be a certain deadliness to this virus in order to propigate the fear. I think we will find out some very disturbing things in the future about this whole affair. And it will be along the same lines as the inexplicable seeding of nursing homes with Covid patients in the Northeast. This was and is a very real virus, but advantage was taken by the powers to be to make it as fearful as possible. Too many things have been seriously off kilter from the beginning. We had to test incessantly to show the scary amount of cases, then that showed the mortality rate to be too low because the cases were too high as compared to the deaths, so they had to comeup with a “variant” that was twice as contagious but not nearly as deadly, now it’s horribly deadly supposedly. The unvaccinated are the only ones dying. Next we will find out it was actually the vaccinated, on and on until fear has crippled everyone. Science “knows” everything but is proven wrong over and over again with this virus, as Fauxi the Weasel continues his all over the board narrative.

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Re: The Big Bad Delta Variant
« Reply #18 on: Sun Sep 19, 2021 - 13:24:30 »
PROOF OR NO PROOF

   If time tomorrow will allow me, I will submit proof. Tomorrow is my weekly column day. Like a copy? Or maybe two copies!

    No hurt intended, but I have a hunch you will not accept any proof I offer as legitimate proof. I've been reading you on this issue long enough to offer my opinion of what you consider genuine evidence.

    No, your usage of "isn't" in Reply #11 does not coincide with what I posted. Look at it again. But no big deal. Until tomorrow, when I submit proof of my remarks, Goodnight.

Buff

    P. S. Oh, on the number of deaths within a 24-hour period, you are partially right and partially wrong. I think I know what's going on in Arizona more than you do. I've lived here since 1990 and I'm somewhat a-keen to reliable news sources in this neighborhood.


I am not partially right, I am 100% right.  I am not using "news sources" or anecdotal sources.  I am using THE source for Arizona. 

Arizona's Department of Health Services website's Covid Dashboard:  https://www.azdhs.gov/covid19/data/index.php

Arizona's DHS for Covid has a link for Covid-19 deaths.  On September 18th, there were 108 newly reported deaths.  Not 108 new deaths in 24 hours.  On September 19th, there are 26 new deaths reported.  In fact the website says "New COVID-19 Deaths Reported Today," not "New COVID-19 Deaths In The Last 24 Hours."

Further link here:  https://www.azdhs.gov/covid19/data/index.php#deaths

Anyway, clicking on the link gives access to a graph that gives data on deaths by date.  So I will recap the deaths in September as per your state's DHS.

September 1:  41
September 2:  33
September 3:  27
September 4:  36
September 5:  31
September 6:  21
September 7:  26
September 8:  23
September 9:   18
September 10: 15
September 11: 18
September 12: 10
September 13: 10
September 14: 2
September 15: 3
September 16: 3
September 17: 0
September 18: 0
September 19: 0

September 17, 18, and 19 may be non-zero at this point, but it is hard to see the data from the graph.  Not as user friendly as other states.

There, definitive proof that I am right.

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« Reply #19 on: Sun Sep 19, 2021 - 13:32:30 »
Nitpicking grammar is the first retort of someone who has a flawed argument.

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« Reply #20 on: Sun Sep 19, 2021 - 21:37:33 »
Texas “Chief Justice”:

    Be patient, for I am putting together some info on the question under study, namely, “Are current Covid hospitalizations and deaths consisting of 85-90 percent unvaccinated patients?” I hope to have it ready to post tomorrow [Monday].

Buff

P. S. I was able to post it this evening [Sunday].
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Re: The Big Bad Delta Variant
« Reply #21 on: Mon Sep 20, 2021 - 08:08:48 »
Texas “Chief Justice”:

    Be patient, for I am putting together some info on the question under study, namely, “Are current Covid hospitalizations and deaths consisting of 85-90 percent unvaccinated patients?” I hope to have it ready to post tomorrow [Monday].

Buff

P. S. I was able to post it this evening [Sunday].


Where? Or is it private info for TC only?

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« Reply #22 on: Mon Sep 20, 2021 - 12:56:49 »
Rella:

"Where? Or is it private info for TC only?"

I posted it as a new column under "Unvaccinated Hospitalizations." Go to...

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/general-discussion-forum/unvaccinated-hospitalizations/

Buff
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Re: The Big Bad Delta Variant
« Reply #23 on: Mon Sep 20, 2021 - 14:00:47 »
Buff,

I am still waiting on your mea culpa on your understanding of the "over 100 deaths—within the last 24 hours."

I will get to your links in your column later on today or tomorrow.

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Re: The Big Bad Delta Variant
« Reply #24 on: Mon Sep 20, 2021 - 14:13:25 »
Texas Chief Justice:

    Go to the my column on the issue of "Unvaccinated Hospitalizations," Chief Justice. Regarding the 100 deaths in 24 hours, I have re-visited Arizona's stats and how they arrange them, and you are correct.

    Now it's time you were addresses the real disagreement between us. Go to my column.

Buff