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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #175 on: Sat May 13, 2017 - 22:38:06 »

<<The fall of Adam brought sin into the world, into mankind.>>

Is this not in your Bible?
What might have happened as a result of Adam's disobedience was completely undone as a result of Jesus obedience.  That is in my Bible.

That is not the issue. The thing is, it's in the Bible.


<< Man was taken out from the presence of God, have to work for his food, and the woman to bear children with much pain, the snake was cursed, and so too is the ground, the earth.>>

Is this not in your Bible?
Man [Adam] was ejected from the Garden.  The result of the curse of the ground is thorns and thistles.    Yes, the woman shall bear children in pain and the snake was cursed.  From that you get that the universe was subjected to the bondage of corruption?? What a joke.  As I said, you read far more into the Scriptures than the Scriptures ever say.

So, what I was saying is in scriptures. That's the issue.
Another point is the truth that, the sin of man affects the creation.

Another truth is that, creation was subjected to futility and is under bondage of corruption. What is left for us to discern is not that, but what the futility is and the bondage of corruption is. We may have differing views and opinion to this, but that is a secondary matter to the truth of the matter that creation was subjected to futility and is under bondage of corruption.

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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #176 on: Sat May 13, 2017 - 23:20:19 »

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and how does that support your claim that there is no nature in heaven?

That wasn't my claim.   I'm pointing out that the physical universe is not heaven, and that things work differently there.   

What you said is that the creation of heaven is far beyond nature, so evolution cannot apply.
You also say that the creation of our universe is not far beyond nature, so evolution does apply.

What exactly is the difference between creation one universe versus the other?
In both cases we are talking about a supernatural event...creation.

For one scenario, the creation of heaven, you claim science cannot explain it because it is supernatural.
For the other scenario, the creation of our universe which equally is a supernatural event, you insist science is able to explain.

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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #177 on: Sun May 14, 2017 - 06:47:06 »
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There is nothing to think about. There is truth. All who choose to reject truth in favor of deception will be lost.

Fortunately, you're wrong about this.   There is absolutely nothing that says the way you think God created the diversity of life matters to your salvation.   It's a modern doctrine, it's not a Biblical doctrine, and it's false.    I'm not trying to be unkind.   I really am not.  But this is a doctrine that is damaging to the church and to Christian faith.

2 Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #178 on: Sun May 14, 2017 - 06:54:35 »

<<The fall of Adam brought sin into the world, into mankind.>>

Is this not in your Bible?
What might have happened as a result of Adam's disobedience was completely undone as a result of Jesus obedience.  That is in my Bible.

That is not the issue. The thing is, it's in the Bible.
Of course it is the issue.  It debunks any notion of original sin.

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<< Man was taken out from the presence of God, have to work for his food, and the woman to bear children with much pain, the snake was cursed, and so too is the ground, the earth.>>

Is this not in your Bible?
Man [Adam] was ejected from the Garden.  The result of the curse of the ground is thorns and thistles.    Yes, the woman shall bear children in pain and the snake was cursed.  From that you get that the universe was subjected to the bondage of corruption?? What a joke.  As I said, you read far more into the Scriptures than the Scriptures ever say.

So, what I was saying is in scriptures. That's the issue.
Another point is the truth that, the sin of man affects the creation.

Another truth is that, creation was subjected to futility and is under bondage of corruption. What is left for us to discern is not that, but what the futility is and the bondage of corruption is. We may have differing views and opinion to this, but that is a secondary matter to the truth of the matter that creation was subjected to futility and is under bondage of corruption.

The primary matter in all of this is the correct translation of the Greek word "ktisis".  And the simple truth is that you have chosen the wrong one.  And in doing so you have a completely wrong interpretation.

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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #179 on: Sun May 14, 2017 - 11:39:58 »
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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #180 on: Sun May 14, 2017 - 11:57:48 »

<<The fall of Adam brought sin into the world, into mankind.>>

Is this not in your Bible?
What might have happened as a result of Adam's disobedience was completely undone as a result of Jesus obedience.  That is in my Bible.

That is not the issue. The thing is, it's in the Bible.
Of course it is the issue.  It debunks any notion of original sin.

The issue in this segment is if what I said that "the fall of Adam brought sin into the world" is in the Bible. And it is. But then you put up another issue instead, that "What might have happened as a result of Adam's disobedience was completely undone as a result of Jesus obedience." is in the Bible. And so, I said , that is not the issue.

Anyway, on the issue you injected, here's my comment. So, what is it that you say was the result of Adam's disobedience that was completely undone by Jesus' obedience?

<< Man was taken out from the presence of God, have to work for his food, and the woman to bear children with much pain, the snake was cursed, and so too is the ground, the earth.>>

Is this not in your Bible?
Man [Adam] was ejected from the Garden.  The result of the curse of the ground is thorns and thistles.    Yes, the woman shall bear children in pain and the snake was cursed.  From that you get that the universe was subjected to the bondage of corruption?? What a joke.  As I said, you read far more into the Scriptures than the Scriptures ever say.

So, what I was saying is in scriptures. That's the issue.
Another point is the truth that, the sin of man affects the creation.

Another truth is that, creation was subjected to futility and is under bondage of corruption. What is left for us to discern is not that, but what the futility is and the bondage of corruption is. We may have differing views and opinion to this, but that is a secondary matter to the truth of the matter that creation was subjected to futility and is under bondage of corruption.

The primary matter in all of this is the correct translation of the Greek word "ktisis".  And the simple truth is that you have chosen the wrong one.  And in doing so you have a completely wrong interpretation.

And what is the correct translation of the Greek word "ktisis" according to you?

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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #181 on: Sun May 14, 2017 - 12:40:02 »

And what is the correct translation of the Greek word "ktisis" according to you?


According to Strong's:
G2937

κτίσις

ktisis

ktis'-is

From G2936; original formation (properly the act; by implication the thing, literally or figuratively): - building, creation, creature, ordinance.


According to Thayer:
G2937

κτίσις

ktisis

Thayer Definition:
1) the act of founding, establishing, building etc
1a) the act of creating, creation
1b) creation, i.e. thing created
1b1) of individual things, beings, a creature, a creation
1b1a) anything created
1b1b) after a rabbinical usage (by which a man converted from idolatry to Judaism was called)
1b1c) the sum or aggregate of things created
1c) institution, ordinance
Part of Speech: noun feminine


So then the correct translation must be from the context and there is no context that would suggest that the universe is at all intended in Romans 8.  Clearly it is mankind that has been subjected to futility. It is mankind that is held in the bondage of sin and corruption.



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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #182 on: Sun May 14, 2017 - 15:27:19 »

And what is the correct translation of the Greek word "ktisis" according to you?


According to Strong's:
G2937

κτίσις

ktisis

ktis'-is

From G2936; original formation (properly the act; by implication the thing, literally or figuratively): - building, creation, creature, ordinance.


According to Thayer:
G2937

κτίσις

ktisis

Thayer Definition:
1) the act of founding, establishing, building etc
1a) the act of creating, creation
1b) creation, i.e. thing created
1b1) of individual things, beings, a creature, a creation
1b1a) anything created
1b1b) after a rabbinical usage (by which a man converted from idolatry to Judaism was called)
1b1c) the sum or aggregate of things created
1c) institution, ordinance
Part of Speech: noun feminine


So then the correct translation must be from the context and there is no context that would suggest that the universe is at all intended in Romans 8.  Clearly it is mankind that has been subjected to futility. It is mankind that is held in the bondage of sin and corruption.

Are you saying here that the correct English translation of the Greek word "ktisis" is mankind? I don't see that anywhere in the references you posted.

Anyway, let's grant, for the sake of argument, that mankind is the correct translation, how do you explain what becomes of the passage then:

Romans 8:19-23 (ktisis=mankind)
19 For the earnest expectation of mankind eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For mankind was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;
21 because mankind itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole mankind groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.
23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.

In v.19, it speaks of mankind as to eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.

Q: Do all man wait for the revealing of the sons of God? The atheists? The Satanist?   

In v.20, mankind was subjected to futility. And that it says, not willingly.

Q: Is mankind subjected to futility against its will? How is that? Do this not contradict the free will of man?

Verse 21 says that mankind will be delivered from the bondage of corruption, into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Q: Would all man be delivered and made free from the bondage of corruption? Does this not stand contrary to scriptures that says that only the children of God will be delivered and made free from the bondage of corruption?

Q: Will the statement not be erroneous and false, in that, how will mankind, which includes the children of God, be be delivered into the glorious liberty of the children of God?

Verse 23, says "we also", makes the "we" not included in the mankind that is spoken of in vs.19-22, for if they are included, then the statement will be erroneous. and false.

Q: Who then are the "we", if not included mankind?

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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #183 on: Mon May 15, 2017 - 07:52:22 »
Anyway, let's grant, for the sake of argument, that mankind is the correct translation, how do you explain what becomes of the passage then:

Romans 8:19-23 (ktisis=mankind)
19 For the earnest expectation of mankind eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For mankind was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;
21 because mankind itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole mankind groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.
23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.

In v.19, it speaks of mankind as to eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.

Q: Do all man wait for the revealing of the sons of God? The atheists? The Satanist?
As hyperbole, yes all men are waiting for the after-life
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In v.20, mankind was subjected to futility. And that it says, not willingly.

Q: Is mankind subjected to futility against its will? How is that? Do this not contradict the free will of man?
We are all subjected to futility.  That is the circumstance of life in this physical realm.  That has nothing whatsoever to do with the free will of man.
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Verse 21 says that mankind will be delivered from the bondage of corruption, into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Q: Would all man be delivered and made free from the bondage of corruption? Does this not stand contrary to scriptures that says that only the children of God will be delivered and made free from the bondage of corruption?
Interesting question.  Since the predicament you raise exists no matter whether ktisis is rendered creature [i.e., mankind] or creation [i.e., inclusive of the whole of creation].
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Q: Will the statement not be erroneous and false, in that, how will mankind, which includes the children of God, be be delivered into the glorious liberty of the children of God?

Verse 23, says "we also", makes the "we" not included in the mankind that is spoken of in vs.19-22, for if they are included, then the statement will be erroneous. and false.

Q: Who then are the "we", if not included mankind?
Again the problem you raise is not rectified if ktisis is translated as creation, since we are not excluded from "creation".  However I believe that the "we also" certainly makes the case that ktisis in this passage is speaking only about the creature, i.e, man.  I believe Paul is making the case that even we who make up the body of Christ have not been freed from the futility that derives from living in this physical world, simply by believing in Christ. We will realize that only when Jesus comes again.

Now I would ask you a question. 

Q:  If the Greek word ktisis is rendered as the whole of creation, could you describe the corruption and the bondage to that corruption that you see in the universe in the whole of the natural world other than the corruption of man that arises from man's trespasses and sins.  What corruption and bondage to that corruption to you see in the sun?  In the moon?  In the whole of the Milky Way galaxie?  In the cosmological universe?

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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #184 on: Mon May 15, 2017 - 09:20:40 »
I notice that it's been a few billion years since God constructed evolution, but the oldest standing human buildings are a few thousand years old.    There's a lesson in those facts, if anyone wants to learn about them.    He knew best, after all. Let God be God, and have it His way.
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Hebrews 11:3~"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
To defer to believing what man says is true, rather than what the word of God says, is to do what is right in our own eyes and is the way of the world.
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Proverbs 12:15~"The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise."
It has never been, nor should it ever be the way of a true believer. We must hearken unto God's counsel on the creation and of what is right, for He ponders the heart and knows our real intent. He knows whose word we are placing above His, and He is not mocked by justifications nor rationalizations. Despite the great evolution myths being perpetrated upon man, Evolution is not a proven science, and never will be. It is JUST like Paul called it...science SO-CALLED!

By the introduction of sin into the world, the human race has been steadily declining, not getting better. And in observing creation, man has no justification for not believing in God. Because what we read in the bible mirrors what we see in the world. Not a world that is evolving to get better, but that God created a perfect world, which is in now in steady decay physically and morally because of man's sins. And in this time of moral degradation, the Church must stand fast and continue to have faith in what God says the creation days were. For though it may appear that the worlds are billions of years old, and framed of themselves through eons of evolution, this is not the true creation process. Though it may appear that man evolved from monkeys or Apes, by seeing certain of mankind that would allow another man who considers himself wise to think that THEY ARE THE MISSING LINK....this is not the true creation process, it's just a vain idea of men who consider themselves wise, and who rejects anything that completes with his wisdom. It is only by the willfulness of man that he reasons this out in his own eyes, and in his own mind this seems logical. But this is not the true creation process. It is simply the haughty spirit, the pride, and vanity of man in unbelief, who surmises that he knows more than God about creation and wants you to consider just how wise HE IS. I have met a few of these haughty spirits.
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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #185 on: Mon May 15, 2017 - 09:23:36 »
I understand that the concept of evolution of life and man is yet a theory and not a fact. And I believe that such will remain to be a theory for the longest time, even longer than the time that life and man is thought to have evolve to what man is now.

Now, I'd asked this question:

Is for you, God a theory or a fact (truth)?

I am a Christian, and that being, needless to say, for me God is true and is a fact. So, there goes evolution, into the trash, rendered false.

Now, some evolutionist may say:

What is your proof of God?

Answer: Jesus Christ.
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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #186 on: Mon May 15, 2017 - 11:45:08 »
Anyway, let's grant, for the sake of argument, that mankind is the correct translation, how do you explain what becomes of the passage then:

Romans 8:19-23 (ktisis=mankind)
19 For the earnest expectation of mankind eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For mankind was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;
21 because mankind itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole mankind groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.
23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.

In v.19, it speaks of mankind as to eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.

Q: Do all man wait for the revealing of the sons of God? The atheists? The Satanist?
As hyperbole, yes all men are waiting for the after-life
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In v.20, mankind was subjected to futility. And that it says, not willingly.

Q: Is mankind subjected to futility against its will? How is that? Do this not contradict the free will of man?
We are all subjected to futility.  That is the circumstance of life in this physical realm.  That has nothing whatsoever to do with the free will of man.

A hyperbole? Well, I don't see the reason why Paul needed to use a hyperbole regarding this, more so that such hyperbole is improper since such is an exaggeration to the point of suggesting a lie. And no atheist waits for the revealing of the sons of God.

I find the idea that mankind is subjected to futility, and that not willingly, to be inconsistent with the truth in scriptures. Who subjected mankind then to futility against mankind's will? And for what purpose?

Also, try to bring now what verses 19 and 20 in the context of what Paul was trying to point out to whom he writes to.

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Verse 21 says that mankind will be delivered from the bondage of corruption, into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Q: Would all man be delivered and made free from the bondage of corruption? Does this not stand contrary to scriptures that says that only the children of God will be delivered and made free from the bondage of corruption?
Interesting question.  Since the predicament you raise exists no matter whether ktisis is rendered creature [i.e., mankind] or creation [i.e., inclusive of the whole of creation].

It seems apparent that is a predicament to you. This is not so, in my take of the "creation" in the passage, which I take as all creation except mankind.

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Q: Will the statement not be erroneous and false, in that, how will mankind, which includes the children of God, be be delivered into the glorious liberty of the children of God?

Verse 23, says "we also", makes the "we" not included in the mankind that is spoken of in vs.19-22, for if they are included, then the statement will be erroneous. and false.

Q: Who then are the "we", if not included mankind?
Again the problem you raise is not rectified if ktisis is translated as creation, since we are not excluded from "creation".  However I believe that the "we also" certainly makes the case that ktisis in this passage is speaking only about the creature, i.e, man.  I believe Paul is making the case that eyven we who make up the body of Christ have not been freed from the futility that derives from living in this physical world, simply by believing in Christ. We will realize that only when Jesus comes again.

In my take of what "creation" is in the passage, there is not a problem as there is in your take of it as "mankind". This verse is exactly what qualified and defined the "creation" spoken of in verses 19-22. And that is why, my take of "creation" in the passage is that it refers to all creation except mankind.

Now I would ask you a question. 

Q:  If the Greek word ktisis is rendered as the whole of creation, could you describe the corruption and the bondage to that corruption that you see in the universe in the whole of the natural world other than the corruption of man that arises from man's trespasses and sins.  What corruption and bondage to that corruption to you see in the sun?  In the moon?  In the whole of the Milky Way galaxie?  In the cosmological universe?

The "ktisis" is correctly translated in the English as "creation". Now, as to whether it refers to the whole creation or not is defined by context.

With regards your question, please refer to repiy#163 & #169.

Now, with regards the sun, moon, milky way galaxy, the universe, that I have no knowledge of. Perhaps if I were a scientist and studied and observed them, I would somehow relate such, to the scriptures and know perhaps a little about the futility they have been subjected to and how are they in bondage to corruption. 

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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #187 on: Mon May 15, 2017 - 11:50:07 »

 If we let God be God, then we do that by believing the scriptures as our only source for truth!

Ecc_1:5  Also, the sun rises and the sun sets; And hastening to its place it rises there again.

Quite clearly from that verse the sun must revolve around the earth.  So the Bible says, so the truth it is.

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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #188 on: Mon May 15, 2017 - 11:59:33 »

Now, with regards the sun, moon, milky way galaxy, the universe, that I have no knowledge of. Perhaps if I were a scientist and studied and observed them, I would somehow relate such, to the scriptures and know perhaps a little about the futility they have been subjected to and how are they in bondage to corruption.
Had you studied anything at all in sciences you would of course see that your view of the universe being corrupted or being bound by corruption is ridiculous and there is no way that God would intend for your interpretation to be imposed upon His word.

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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #189 on: Mon May 15, 2017 - 13:02:00 »

Now, with regards the sun, moon, milky way galaxy, the universe, that I have no knowledge of. Perhaps if I were a scientist and studied and observed them, I would somehow relate such, to the scriptures and know perhaps a little about the futility they have been subjected to and how are they in bondage to corruption.
Had you studied anything at all in sciences you would of course see that your view of the universe being corrupted or being bound by corruption is ridiculous and there is no way that God would intend for your interpretation to be imposed upon His word.

Perhaps, if you were me. I do know where that is coming from. And I that I could understand you. But neither you nor I, even anyone for that matter, can really say anything with any degree of certainty with regards the matter of whether the sun, moon, milky way galaxy, the universe, are subjected to futility and in bondage of corruption or decay, or are not. For we simply are incapable of knowing as limited as we are. But we can trust God's words on what it says on creation, as a whole. It would have been great if scriptures have details, on big and complex, far and distant creation that man can't see as we see the creation here on the earth we live. But must we not submit to the wisdom of God? Yes, we must.

In your take of "creation" in the passage of Rom. 8:19-23, as mankind, I have shown you what it makes of it as to make it contradict scriptures. On the other hand, in my take of it as to refer to all creation excluding mankind, the only problem you have with that is that you can't accept that creation was subjected to futility and under bondage to corruption. Apparently, it is really a matter of believability and incredibility to you, more than anything else. It's a problem of acceptance, and that not because it contradicts truth, but that you find it hard to believe and find it ridiculous and incredible. But, I guess, you have believed some things in scriptures that are hard to believe and that you find ridiculous and incredible, like so.

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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #190 on: Mon May 15, 2017 - 19:11:55 »

Now, with regards the sun, moon, milky way galaxy, the universe, that I have no knowledge of. Perhaps if I were a scientist and studied and observed them, I would somehow relate such, to the scriptures and know perhaps a little about the futility they have been subjected to and how are they in bondage to corruption.
Had you studied anything at all in sciences you would of course see that your view of the universe being corrupted or being bound by corruption is ridiculous and there is no way that God would intend for your interpretation to be imposed upon His word.

Perhaps, if you were me. I do know where that is coming from. And I that I could understand you. But neither you nor I, even anyone for that matter, can really say anything with any degree of certainty with regards the matter of whether the sun, moon, milky way galaxy, the universe, are subjected to futility and in bondage of corruption or decay, or are not. For we simply are incapable of knowing as limited as we are. But we can trust God's words on what it says on creation, as a whole. It would have been great if scriptures have details, on big and complex, far and distant creation that man can't see as we see the creation here on the earth we live. But must we not submit to the wisdom of God? Yes, we must.

In your take of "creation" in the passage of Rom. 8:19-23, as mankind, I have shown you what it makes of it as to make it contradict scriptures. On the other hand, in my take of it as to refer to all creation excluding mankind, the only problem you have with that is that you can't accept that creation was subjected to futility and under bondage to corruption. Apparently, it is really a matter of believability and incredibility to you, more than anything else. It's a problem of acceptance, and that not because it contradicts truth, but that you find it hard to believe and find it ridiculous and incredible. But, I guess, you have believed some things in scriptures that are hard to believe and that you find ridiculous and incredible, like so.
Absolute blather.  You have yet do define even in the vaguest of terms what the corruption and the bondage to that corruption could possibly mean relative to the universe at large.  In what way is the universe corrupt or under bondage?

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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #191 on: Mon May 15, 2017 - 19:30:26 »
4WD, look around you, anywhere you are and watch the World News.  Things are not maintaining nor are things getting better.

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« Reply #192 on: Mon May 15, 2017 - 21:17:09 »

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4WD, look around you, anywhere you are and watch the World News.  Things are not maintaining nor are things getting better.

Humans, indeed are corrupt.   His world is, as He said, "very good."   



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« Reply #193 on: Mon May 15, 2017 - 23:16:08 »

Now, with regards the sun, moon, milky way galaxy, the universe, that I have no knowledge of. Perhaps if I were a scientist and studied and observed them, I would somehow relate such, to the scriptures and know perhaps a little about the futility they have been subjected to and how are they in bondage to corruption.
Had you studied anything at all in sciences you would of course see that your view of the universe being corrupted or being bound by corruption is ridiculous and there is no way that God would intend for your interpretation to be imposed upon His word.

Perhaps, if you were me. I do know where that is coming from. And I that I could understand you. But neither you nor I, even anyone for that matter, can really say anything with any degree of certainty with regards the matter of whether the sun, moon, milky way galaxy, the universe, are subjected to futility and in bondage of corruption or decay, or are not. For we simply are incapable of knowing as limited as we are. But we can trust God's words on what it says on creation, as a whole. It would have been great if scriptures have details, on big and complex, far and distant creation that man can't see as we see the creation here on the earth we live. But must we not submit to the wisdom of God? Yes, we must.

In your take of "creation" in the passage of Rom. 8:19-23, as mankind, I have shown you what it makes of it as to make it contradict scriptures. On the other hand, in my take of it as to refer to all creation excluding mankind, the only problem you have with that is that you can't accept that creation was subjected to futility and under bondage to corruption. Apparently, it is really a matter of believability and incredibility to you, more than anything else. It's a problem of acceptance, and that not because it contradicts truth, but that you find it hard to believe and find it ridiculous and incredible. But, I guess, you have believed some things in scriptures that are hard to believe and that you find ridiculous and incredible, like so.
Absolute blather.  You have yet do define even in the vaguest of terms what the corruption and the bondage to that corruption could possibly mean relative to the universe at large.  In what way is the universe corrupt or under bondage?

Decay, entropy. This universe is under the bondage of death, in the same way that man became under bondage of death once sin entered the world.
This universe will either be destructed or self-destruct.
Unlike heaven which will be eternal and not subject to corruption because there is no sin.

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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #194 on: Mon May 15, 2017 - 23:28:56 »
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Decay, entropy. This universe is under the bondage of death, in the same way that man became under bondage of death once sin entered the world.

No one actually knows that.   You see, the sum of all the energy in the universe is equal to zero.    Always has been, from all indications.   And yet here we are, plants grow, babies are born, and the world works as He intends.

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This universe will either be destructed or self-destruct.

You don't know that.   God may leave it here.    Or He might just end it.   Doesn't matter.   Or He might bring about an infinity of universes.   There's no point in imagining these things, because He hasn't told us.   Let us be humble and listen to what He says, without adding things.


 

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« Reply #195 on: Tue May 16, 2017 - 00:50:45 »
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Decay, entropy. This universe is under the bondage of death, in the same way that man became under bondage of death once sin entered the world.

No one actually knows that. You see, the sum of all the energy in the universe is equal to zero. Always has been, from all indications.

Next to the Evolution Theory yet another scientific hypothesis that has not been proven correct.

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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #196 on: Tue May 16, 2017 - 06:04:40 »

Now, with regards the sun, moon, milky way galaxy, the universe, that I have no knowledge of. Perhaps if I were a scientist and studied and observed them, I would somehow relate such, to the scriptures and know perhaps a little about the futility they have been subjected to and how are they in bondage to corruption.
Had you studied anything at all in sciences you would of course see that your view of the universe being corrupted or being bound by corruption is ridiculous and there is no way that God would intend for your interpretation to be imposed upon His word.

Perhaps, if you were me. I do know where that is coming from. And I that I could understand you. But neither you nor I, even anyone for that matter, can really say anything with any degree of certainty with regards the matter of whether the sun, moon, milky way galaxy, the universe, are subjected to futility and in bondage of corruption or decay, or are not. For we simply are incapable of knowing as limited as we are. But we can trust God's words on what it says on creation, as a whole. It would have been great if scriptures have details, on big and complex, far and distant creation that man can't see as we see the creation here on the earth we live. But must we not submit to the wisdom of God? Yes, we must.

In your take of "creation" in the passage of Rom. 8:19-23, as mankind, I have shown you what it makes of it as to make it contradict scriptures. On the other hand, in my take of it as to refer to all creation excluding mankind, the only problem you have with that is that you can't accept that creation was subjected to futility and under bondage to corruption. Apparently, it is really a matter of believability and incredibility to you, more than anything else. It's a problem of acceptance, and that not because it contradicts truth, but that you find it hard to believe and find it ridiculous and incredible. But, I guess, you have believed some things in scriptures that are hard to believe and that you find ridiculous and incredible, like so.
Absolute blather.  You have yet do define even in the vaguest of terms what the corruption and the bondage to that corruption could possibly mean relative to the universe at large.  In what way is the universe corrupt or under bondage?

Decay, entropy. This universe is under the bondage of death, in the same way that man became under bondage of death once sin entered the world.
This universe will either be destructed or self-destruct.
Unlike heaven which will be eternal and not subject to corruption because there is no sin.
You think entropy is the result of Adam's sin???    rofl  rofl  rofl  rofl  rofl  rofl

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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #197 on: Tue May 16, 2017 - 06:30:35 »
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Next to the Evolution Theory yet another scientific hypothesis that has not been proven correct.

Which of Darwin's five points of evolutionary theory have been shown to be false?

Most people who think they hate science don't really understand it very well.


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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #198 on: Sat Jun 10, 2017 - 11:15:25 »
Conclusions
http://creation.com/instant-petrified-wood

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The evidence, both from scientists’ laboratories and God’ natural laboratory, shows that under the right chemical conditions wood can be rapidly petrified by silicification, even at normal temperatures and pressures. The process of petrification of wood is now so well known and understood that scientists can rapidly make petrified wood in their laboratories at will.

Unfortunately, most people still think, and are led to believe, that fossilized wood buried in rock strata must have taken thousands, if not millions, of years to petrify. Clearly, such thinking is erroneous, since it has been repeatedly demonstrated that petrification of wood can, and does, occur rapidly. Thus the timeframe for the formation of the petrified wood within the geological record is totally compatible with the biblical time-scale of a recent creation and a subsequent devastating global Flood.


Just another sign, that millions of years theories, are just that, theories. Pure science has observed that petrification can and does happen rapidly. Theoretical science has not and cannot observe it taking millions of years.

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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #199 on: Sat Jun 10, 2017 - 11:26:49 »
http://www.icr.org/fossilization

Fossils Show Rapid and Catastrophic Burial

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Beveled surfaces below, within, and above thick strata sequences provide evidence of rapid flood and post-flood erosion. Fossils provide universal evidence of rapid burial, and even agonizing death.

Rapid burial is necessary to entomb organisms as the first step in fossilization. The abundant marine invertebrate fossils throughout the entire fossil strata demonstrate extraordinary burial conditions.

Polystrate fossil logs (tree trunks in vertical position running through several sedimentary layers) are common in the fossil layers and are clear evidence of rapid burial.

Common vertebrate fossils show rigor mortis and postures indicative of asphyxiation—sudden smothering of the animal (e.g., Archaeopteryx and dinosaur fossils in the quarry at Dinosaur National Monument).


Same deal. Fossilization itself requires for the most part rapid burial and removal from the decaying effects of natural surroundings. All indicative of major cataclysmic events, such as a world wide flood. Nevertheless, theoretical science opts for fossilization over the course of millions of years. Which is again, unobservable, of course.

It has also been proved that coal and oil can be formed rapidly under the right conditions, such as a cataclysmic flood producing extreme pressures and heat over massive areas. Yet theoretical science opts for countless millions of years, unobservable of course.

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« Reply #200 on: Sat Jun 10, 2017 - 13:48:13 »
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Beveled surfaces below, within, and above thick strata sequences provide evidence of rapid flood and post-flood erosion. Fossils provide universal evidence of rapid burial, and even agonizing death.


They merely show strata have been eroded after being formed and solidified.   This demonstrates that there was not a single worldwide flood.

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Rapid burial is necessary to entomb organisms as the first step in fossilization.


Which is why animal fossils are normally found where sedimentation was relatively rapid.   The Karoo formation, formerly a river delta, has billions of vertebrate fossils.

 
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The abundant marine invertebrate fossils throughout the entire fossil strata demonstrate extraordinary burial conditions.


Only if you think the conditions today are "extraordinary."    Those fossils are continuing to be formed right now.

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Polystrate fossil logs (tree trunks in vertical position running through several sedimentary layers) are common in the fossil layers and are clear evidence of rapid burial.


Not so rapid.    Some are forming near my home when a forested area was flooded decades ago by a dam.   The trees are still upright, very gradually being buried by layers of sediment.   They will, if uplift and erosion does not occur, eventually form polystrate fossils.

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Common vertebrate fossils show rigor mortis and postures indicative of asphyxiation


Rigor mortis takes a while.   About six hours to complete. 

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—sudden smothering of the animal (e.g., Archaeopteryx and dinosaur fossils in the quarry at Dinosaur National Monument).


No, that's wrong.   The pulled-back head found in so many fossils of dinosaurs and birds is caused by an interesting process, that goes on for a long time after death:

In a paper published last month in the journal Palaeobiodiversity and Palaeoenvironments, Achim G. Reisdorf of the University of Basel in Switzerland writes that the trouble with the death-throe hypothesis is that carcasses are flexible. To fossilize in the traumatic death position, a carcass would have to be quickly buried in the exact spot where it died, without any transportation.

But that is unlikely, Mr. Reisdorf wrote. Many of the dinosaurs found in opisthotonic posture are land animals that fell into sediment at the bottom of bodies of water, and probably had to settle before reaching their final resting place.

Mr. Reisdorf thought water might be the key. So he and a colleague, Dr. Michael Wuttke, decided to try some kitchen science. They bought fresh chicken necks from a butcher and plunged them into water buckets.

Immediately, the necks bent backward by 90 degrees. After three months and significant rotting, they had twisted further backward — to 140 degrees.

These results were verified at Brigham Young University by a paleontologist, Brooks B. Britt, and an undergraduate student, Alicia Cutler.

“When you hold a carcass in your hand, it’s like a limp rag, you can move it anywhere,” Dr. Britt said. “But as soon as we put the first dead chicken in the water, we realized, ‘Holy smokes, this is amazing.’ The head immediately curved backwards.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/06/science/archaeopteryx-fossils-appear-twisted-but-not-because-of-agony.html?mcubz=1

So this is actually strong evidence against sudden burial. 


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« Reply #201 on: Sat Jun 10, 2017 - 13:51:34 »
   
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The evidence, both from scientists’ laboratories and God’ natural laboratory, shows that under the right chemical conditions wood can be rapidly petrified by silicification, even at normal temperatures and pressures. The process of petrification of wood is now so well known and understood that scientists can rapidly make petrified wood in their laboratories at will.

    Unfortunately, most people still think, and are led to believe, that fossilized wood buried in rock strata must have taken thousands, if not millions, of years to petrify. Clearly, such thinking is erroneous, since it has been repeatedly demonstrated that petrification of wood can, and does, occur rapidly. Thus the timeframe for the formation of the petrified wood within the geological record is totally compatible with the biblical time-scale of a recent creation and a subsequent devastating global Flood.

I have been told this many times, but each time I ask for a checkable source that shows wood can be petrified quickly to resemble the petrified wood we see in nature, no one knows where this evidence can be found.

What do you have?




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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #203 on: Sat Jun 10, 2017 - 17:22:01 »
http://www.grisda.org/origins/05113.htm

 
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Petrified wood is possibly the fossil type with which most people have greatest familiarity. One of the most frequently expressed questions among a group visiting a petrified wood exposure is "How rapidly does petrification occur?" The answers to such questions have often expressed speculation, but seldom have been based on dependable data.
    Anne C. Sigleo in a paper entitled "Organic geochemistry of silicified wood, Petrified Forest National Park, Arizona" that appears in the September 1978 issue of Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta (vol. 42, pp. 1397-1405) demonstrates that silica mineralization is an impermeation or void-filling process in which mineral matter is deposited in cracks, openings between cells, and spaces left by cell fluids. This process takes place while the wood is relatively intact. Consequently petrified wood preserves the original pattern of cell structure, and often contains carbon and organic compounds. For noncarbonaceous petrified wood the organic material was degraded and removed subsequent to mineralization. The most probable mechanism for wood silification as proposed by Dr. Sigleo is hydrogen bonding between silicic acid [Si(OH)4] and the hydroxyl functional groups in cellulose.
    Silica mineralization evidently takes place within the chemical (impurity concentration) and pH (acidity-alkalinity) range of most surface waters. Dr. Sigleo cites experiments which indicate that silica deposits at the rate of 0.1 to 4.0 millimeters per year on wood immersed in alkaline springs at Yellowstone National Park (1); fresh twigs will partially silicify within 24 hours at room temperature in a sodium metasilicate solution at concentrations of 5-10 parts per thousand (2); fresh wood can be silicified within a year by alternate immersion in water and ethyl silicate (3). The latter process does not represent naturally occurring conditions. Ethyl silicate is used because in the presence of water it decomposes and releases a high concentration of monomolecular silicific acid within the wood tissue. Also of interest but not mentioned by Sigleo is the observation that plant tissue silicifies after several years of immersion in jars of water containing 750 parts per million of silica (4).
    These examples provide some possibilities regarding the formation of petrified wood and suggest that wood could become petrified within a few years if it remained saturated with water that had percolated through a layer of fresh volcanic ash.

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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #205 on: Sat Jun 10, 2017 - 19:25:39 »
In the abstract of the article:
It might be noted here that some of the thoughts expressed on the topic of petrification are admittedly speculative... It would be desirable to understand further the actual nature of the chemical interaction of silicia(sic) in solution with wood components and their derivatives, not just for the petrification problem alone, but for the role  plant-derived organic matter has in many geologic and soil processes of both academic and economic interest.

Moreover, the author does not claim that the process using man-made chemicals, produces fossilized wood.   Since buried wood is highly unlikely to come into contact with concentrated ethyl silicate, the author was right to call the work "speculative."

This is fossilized wood:


Would you mind showing me what creationists have been able to make in the lab?




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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #206 on: Sat Jun 10, 2017 - 19:31:48 »
A while back, I asked the most relevant question in this discussion;
Which of Darwin's five points of evolutionary theory have been shown to be false?

I wish someone would answer it. 



 

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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #207 on: Sat Jun 10, 2017 - 20:55:07 »
Seems like there is a pretty common thread concerning dinosaur demise. Of course there is no way they all died in the biblical flood. All emphasis in the following is mine.

http://creation.com/geology-documents-dinosaurs-fleeing-noahs-flood

http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=1771

THE GLOBAL FLOOD
One theory pertaining to dinosaur extinction fits the available data better than any other proposed explanation: the global Flood of Noah’s day. Since one of the major facts of dinosaur destruction is that most major dinosaur fossil graveyards were caused by huge amounts of water, the theory that most dinosaurs died during the worldwide Flood is the best explanation for the mass destruction of dinosaurs.

GRAVEYARDS ASSOCIATED WITH FLOODING
The Dinosaur National Monument fossil quarry is one of the largest fossil repositories in the world, where over 1,600 fossilized dinosaur bones are buried (“Dinosaur National Monument,” 2004). Built around the major rock face that contains the fossils is a museum, which offers interesting information about the early discovery of the site in 1909. Like almost every federally funded dinosaur exhibit, the Dinosaur National Monument also propagates the standard evolutionary refrain that the dinosaurs lived millions of years ago. One intriguing thing about this monument is its explanation regarding the cause of its huge fossil graveyard. The wall opposite the rock face contains a large painted mural. This mural shows various dinosaurs wading through deep water. Under the mural, a placard reads: “After a seasonal flood: This scene of 145 million years ago is based on clues found in the rock face behind you. Carcasses brought downstream by the fast-moving, muddy water were washed onto a sandbar. Some were buried completely by tons of sand—their bones preserved in a nearly perfect state” (emp. added).
Interesting, is it not, that such a huge fossil graveyard is said to have occurred because of a “seasonal flood”? Further research has shown that many fossil finds are explained using a seasonal, regional, or flash-flood scenario. In November 1999, University of Chicago paleontologist Paul Sereno uncovered a 65-foot-long dinosaur called Jabaria. This skeleton was almost 95% complete. What was the explanation for its burial? “It looks as though the dinosaurs may have been caught in an ancient flash flood and buried quickly” (“Dinosaur Articles...,” 1999, emp. added). Robert Sanders, in an article copyrighted by the University of California, described a huge pterosaur graveyard by noting: “The fossil bones were found strewn throughout an ancient flood deposit in Chile’s Atacama desert, suggesting that they were animals or corpses caught up in a flood perhaps 110 million years ago at the beginning of the Cretaceous period” (1995, emp. added).
A BBC article discussing the series “Walking with Dinosaurs,” explains that much of the information for the first episode of the series came from a fossil find called the Ghost Ranch, located near Abaquiu, New Mexico. The article describes this site as one of the richest fossil finds in the world. Why were so many dinosaurs buried suddenly? “Palaeontologists believe that the collection of fossils was the result of a mass death around a dwindling water resource during a drought. Before the bodies of the animals were eaten by scavengers, a flash flood buried them in muddy sediments where they were preserved” (“Dig Deeper,” n.d., emp. added).
In the Fall of 2007, a massive fossil bed was uncovered in an area known as Lo Hueco, in Spain. The fossil bed contained at least 8,000 fossils, and bones from an estimated 100 Titanosauruses as well as several other dinosaur species (Catan, 2007). What caused such massive burial? Fernando Escasco, a paleontologist at Cuenca’s science museum, said that the animals were probably washed into the fossil bed by “heavy flooding” (De Elvira, 2007, emp. added).
THE GLOBAL FLOOD OF NOAH’S DAY
How interesting to learn that evolutionists explain many of the largest dinosaur graveyards in the world as having been caused by a flood (though they are quick to include words such as “seasonal,” “flash,” “regional,” and the like). It is important to recognize that any other theory of massive dinosaur destruction besides the global Flood of Noah’s day, must still somehow propose that great amounts of water directly caused many of the dinosaur graveyards around the world. In truth, the global Flood of Noah’s day (as recorded in Genesis 6-8) provides an excellent explanation for many (if not all) such graveyards around the world. The Bible explains that “all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights” (Genesis 7:11-12). Furthermore, “all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered” (Genesis 7:19, emp. added). During that year-long Flood, countless thousands of dinosaurs would have drowned and been buried quickly in muddy deposits around the world. It is reasonable to conclude that these dinosaur burial grounds became the well-known fossilized graveyards scientists have discovered around the world.

http://creation.mobi/dinosaur-herd-buried-in-noahs-flood-in-inner-mongolia-china


http://nmstatefossil.org/item/18

Colbert suggested the animals might have been poisoned, and the bodies of the dead animals swept away by a flash flood, to congregate in a low spot and be quickly buried in mud.

https://phys.org/news/2011-11-ancient-birds-died.html

Findings show ancient birds died in flash flood

The discovery was made in the Sebes area of Transylvania, Romania and includes a large collection of bird fossils and eggs, both partial and whole, trapped within the limestone. It is believed that this colony of birds was wiped out when a flash flood hit the area some 100 million years ago.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2059754/Silence-enantiornithines-Fossils-flood-wiped-colony-dinosaur-era-birds.html

Silence of the enantiornithines: Fossils show flood wiped out colony of dinosaur-era birds

http://www.dinodictionary.com/dinos_epg2.asp

Notes: Discovered in large numbers in Alberta, Canada, Eucentrosaurus is one of the best-known ceratopsians. Apparently a herd of these dinosaurs died all at once, perhaps caught in a flash flood. Smaller than Triceratops, Eucentrosaurus had a forward-curving 18-inch (46-cm) nasal horn and a pair of small horns above its eyes. Skin casts exist that show Eucentrosaurus to possess a knobby skin with hexagonal or pentagonal bumps set close together.

http://www.ky3.com/content/news/Local-dinosaur-bone-hunters-discovering-new-fossils--425936763.html

The scientific name for the creatures behind the bones Matt mentioned; a Hadrosaur. They may have died a cruel death.

Matt explains, "These are the duck-billed dinosaurs. This bone bed... we're still trying to figure out the geology behind it. But, it looks like a herd of dinosaurs got swept away in a flash flood.”

http://news.yale.edu/2014/09/10/thick-skinned-dinosaur-gets-last-laugh

Other explanations attributed the frequent occurrence of hadrosaur skin in the fossil record to hadrosaurs’ lifestyle — they tended to live (and die) along rivers, where flash flooding could quickly bury them in alluvial sediments, protecting the corpse from scavengers.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/dinosaur-museum-in-small-town-alberta-hopes-to-hit-the-big-time-1.3211366

Seventy-five million years ago, tiny Pipestone Creek was a torrent in a land of active volcanoes and lumbering dinosaurs. During a flash flood thousands of the creatures were swept down river, their carcasses collecting at a bend in the river. The fossils grew into the landscape until Lakusta got curious and went out one day with a shovel.

http://careyjaneclark.com/thursday-killed-dinosaurs/

In fact, taking a tour through the Royal Tyrell museum in Drumheller, Alberta (a must-see!), you will notice that over and over again, they say things like “This dinosaur drowned in a flood.” “This herd of dinosaurs were killed trying to cross a raging river.” “This dinosaur died in a flash flood.”

https://blog.everythingdinosaur.co.uk/blog/_archives/2010/02/10/4456894.html

Body fossils such as dinosaur bones, can be transported a long way from the area in which the animal lived and died. For example, a dinosaur that died inland could be washed into a river as the result of a flash flood and the carcase carried out to sea, where eventually it sank.  This could result in the preservation and fossilisation of a land living animal in marine deposits, as in the case of the Dorset (England), Scelidosaurus.  Trace fossils on the other hand, preserve evidence of the activity of animals, their tracks, trails, burrows all being preserved as part of the fossil record. 

https://www.earthtouchnews.com/discoveries/fossils/velociraptors-dog-sized-cousin-with-trademark-sickle-claws-unearthed-in-canada/

The Pipestone Creek bonebed has yielded thousands of fossil finds, most of them belonging to a large horned dinosaur called Pachyrhinosaurus. It's thought that a huge herd of these animals died in a flash flood at this site millions of years ago, leaving a graveyard of jumbled remains.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/dinosaurs/7961753/Fires-and-floods-make-Isle-of-Wight-rich-source-of-dinosaur-remains.html

Dr Sweetman said: ''When a fire was rapidly followed by an intense flood, a snapshot of life on the Isle of Wight 130 million years ago was taken and preserved for us to see today, making the Isle of Wight one of the most important dinosaur sites in the world.

https://extinctmonsters.net/2015/03/11/the-carnegie-quarry-diaspora/


About 150 million years ago, a severe drought ravaged the western interior of North America. In eastern Utah, malnourished dinosaurs gathered near a dwindling river. Unwilling or unable to leave the water source, they eventually died of thirst or disease. When rain finally returned to the region, three or four successive flash floods washed dozens of animal carcasses into a relatively small depositional area to the southeast. Today, this site is known as the Carnegie Quarry at Dinosaur National Monument, and it is one of the most incredible fossil sites in the world.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/more-lifestyle/a-raja-a-jain-a-tagore-meet-desi-dinosaurs-that-once-roamed-india-s-plains/story-EEfvnpOJjsoJUlV0vmjjKP.html

The dinosaurs would have taken big strides – they certainly had the legs for it – but they didn’t reach their destination. Something, possibly a flash flood, struck mid-way, uprooting trees and killing everything in its path. The herd died together, decomposing quietly, their skeletons falling apart as layers of earth began to cover them.
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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #208 on: Sun Jun 11, 2017 - 12:29:49 »
If the best explanation for the preservation of dinosaur fossils is flood conditions, and apparently it is, then logical progression dictates that the best explanation for the vast majority of fossils is also flood conditions. So why would supposed scientists searching for truth, avoid the most suitable explanation for fossils found in scripture? Obviously, something more is going on here.

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Re: The empty-headed myth of Evolution
« Reply #209 on: Sun Jun 11, 2017 - 13:45:50 »
If the best explanation for the preservation of dinosaur fossils is flood conditions, and apparently it is, then logical progression dictates that the best explanation for the vast majority of fossils is also flood conditions. So why would supposed scientists searching for truth, avoid the most suitable explanation for fossils found in scripture? Obviously, something more is going on here.


Because the majority of scientists obviously don't agree that floods were the cause of dinosaur demise. Flooding could have possibly been a side effect of the earth being impacted, but not the official cause. 135 million years is an extremely long time and we have discovered a minute fraction of specimens that were preserved in ideal conditions. That's no coincidence, it boils down to a realistic number of probability.