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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1785 on: Sun Jan 07, 2018 - 09:08:35 »
And who consulted on this video on evolution?  Legitimate scientists or religious creationists?  Not everything on the internet is true.  You have to consider the source.

Its a creationist cartoon. Its not about credentials, its just a statement. Kind of like when evolutionists say their theory is indisputable fact.

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1786 on: Sun Jan 07, 2018 - 09:30:56 »

That's been my argument all along here, not a single credentialed scientist has made the claim that the earth is 6000 years old and that evolution is bunk. For every claim that evolution is wrong, there are a thousand corrections for their error.

Shall we compose a list of the very numerous "credentialed" scientists that have been wrong throughout the past? Amazing, that you know every single "credentialed" scientist out there, and not one of them believes the creation account.

https://creation.com/creation-scientists

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Scientists alive today* who accept the biblical account of creation

Note: Individuals on this list must possess a doctorate in a science-related field.

Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
Dr James Allan, Geneticist
Dr Steve Austin, Geologist
Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist
Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist
Dr Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist
Dr Markus Blietz, Astrophysicist
Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
Dr David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
Dr Robert W. Carter, Zoology (Marine Biology and Genetics)
Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony)
Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
Dr Bob Compton, DVM
Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist
Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
Dr William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
Dr Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr Ted Driggers, Operations research
Dr Angel Duty, Biomedical engineering
Dr Chad Duty, Mechanical engineering
Robert H. Eckel, Medical research
Dr André Eggen, Geneticist
Dr Deborah (Debbie) Eisenhut, Medical missionary with SIM
Dr Edward Elmer, Orthopedic surgery specialist (Harvard Medical School graduate)
Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
Dr Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
Dr Paul Giem, Medical Research
Dr Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
Dr Tim Gilmour, Electrical Engineer
Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist
Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
Dr D.B. Gower, Biochemistry
Dr Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist
Dr Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist
Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher
Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
Dr John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist
Dr Mark Harwood, Satellite Communications
Dr Joe Havel, Botanist, Silviculturist, Ecophysiologist
Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer
Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist
Dr Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
Dr Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
Dr Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
Dr George F. Howe, Botany
Dr Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist
Dr James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy
George T. Javor, Biochemistry
Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist
Dr Arthur Jones, Biology
Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
Dr Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
Dr Felix Konotey-Ahulu, Physician, leading expert on sickle-cell anemia
Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
Dr Dean Kenyon, Biology
Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist
Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
Dr John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
Dr John G. Leslie, Biochemistry, molecular biology, medicine, biblical archaeology
Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biology, Genetics
Dr Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
Dr Alan Love, Chemistry
Dr Heinz Lycklama, Nuclear Physics
Dr Ian Macreadie, Molecular Biology, Microbiology:
Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biology
Dr George Marshall, Ophthalmology
Dr Jim Mason, Nuclear Physics
Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemistry
Dr John McEwan, Chemist
Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
Dr David Menton, Anatomist
Dr Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr John Meyer, Physiologist
Dr Albert Mills, Reproductive Physiologist, Embryologist
Colin W. Mitchell, Geography
Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator
Dr John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist
Dr John D. Morris, Geologist
Dr Len Morris, Physiologist
Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering
Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
Dr Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
Dr David Pace, Organic Chemistry
Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
Dr Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
Dr David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
Prof. Richard Porter
Dr Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics
Dr Albert E. Pye, invertebrate zoology, biotechnology, biological control (1945–2012)
Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist
Dr A.S. Reece, M.D.
Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
Dr David Rosevear, Chemist
Dr Ariel A. Roth, Biology
Dr John Sanford, Geneticist
Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist
Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
Dr Ian Scott, Educator
Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
Dr Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist
Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer
Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
Dr E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
Dr Andrew Snelling, Geologist
Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
Dr Timothy G. Standish, Biology
Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education
Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
Dr Esther Su, Biochemistry
Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics
Dr Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering
Dr Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist
Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist
Dr Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist
Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
Dr John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist
Dr Carl Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr Lara Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist (1923–2012)
Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist
Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineer
Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
Dr Matthew Young, Mechanical Engineering, Robotics
Dr Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
Dr Henry Zuill, Biology

Of course as is evident from scripture itself, numbers mean little to nothing in relation to truth. The vast majority have been, are, and will be deceived. Most by their own choice. Just look at the flood account. Oh, thats right, you don't believe the flood account, or the evidence all over the world which supports it. Never mind.

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1786 on: Sun Jan 07, 2018 - 09:30:56 »

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1787 on: Sun Jan 07, 2018 - 09:54:02 »
That's been my argument all along here, not a single credentialed scientist has made the claim that the earth is 6000 years old and that evolution is bunk. For every claim that evolution is wrong, there are a thousand corrections for their error.
If you take away the faulty YEC translation/interpretation of the Hebrew word "yom" in the Genesis account of creation, there is absolutely no data whatsoever to suggest the universe is only 6000 years old.

And similarly, if you take away the faulty YEC translation/interpretation of the Hebrew word "ehrets" in the Genesis account of the flood of Noah there is no data to suggest a global flood.

Already been through this faulty argument. There is no evidence on either side that can prove the age of the earth. Such requires unattainable evidence of the composition and atmosphere of the planet when originally created. Both the bible and many scientists agree that at one time in the past this world was very different than it now is.

We already know you think the bible should be interpreted according to your theory of evolution, and changing the apparent and obvious meaning of some words will help this. Still, you cannot and will not even attempt to explain the creation and flood accounts according to your evolutionary understanding. Context and consistency of other biblical testimony backing up the literal accounts throughout scripture, is a problem you ignore or apparently choose not to believe as well. You reason within your own mind apparently that the bible writers who wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God, and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Himself, had knowledge and insight inferior to that of you and your evolutionist buddies. We creationists simply do not agree. Our faith is in the word of God, not the faulty reasoning and insight of fallen humanity. 

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1788 on: Sun Jan 07, 2018 - 14:58:38 »
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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1789 on: Sun Jan 07, 2018 - 21:05:40 »
Shall we compose a list of the very numerous "credentialed" scientists that have been wrong throughout the past? Amazing, that you know every single "credentialed" scientist out there, and not one of them believes the creation account.

https://creation.com/creation-scientists

Of course as is evident from scripture itself, numbers mean little to nothing in relation to truth. The vast majority have been, are, and will be deceived. Most by their own choice. Just look at the flood account. Oh, thats right, you don't believe the flood account, or the evidence all over the world which supports it. Never mind.
  • You don't have the numbers.  If you list ONLY those who have doctorates in RELEVANT fields, like biology, paleantology, genetics, anthropology...  you only have a handful.
    Your list even as it is, is so short that it is irrelevant.  Do you know how many thousands of relevant scientists there are in the world?

Who do you think I'm going to believe?  The paltry few relavant scientists on your list, or the plethora of relavent scientists who say evolution is a fact, and the theory of evolution (the means by how evolution happens) is the best we can do with current evidence.

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1790 on: Sun Jan 07, 2018 - 21:08:43 »
  • You don't have the numbers.  If you list ONLY those who have doctorates in RELEVANT fields, like biology, paleantology, genetics, anthropology...  you only have a handful.
    Your list even as it is, is so short that it is irrelevant.  Do you know how many thousands of relevant scientists there are in the world?
Who do you think I'm going to believe?  The paltry few relavant scientists on your list, or the plethora of relavent scientists who say evolution is a fact, and the theory of evolution (the means by how evolution happens) is the best we can do with current evidence.


Also, that is a list of "believers" but not a list of scientists that have contributed to the scientific community, they are no more relevant than you or I.

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1791 on: Sun Jan 07, 2018 - 22:58:26 »

Also, that is a list of "believers" but not a list of scientists that have contributed to the scientific community, they are no more relevant than you or I.

Quite possibly, there are plenty who have contributed to the scientific community.

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« Reply #1792 on: Sun Jan 07, 2018 - 23:01:52 »
  • You don't have the numbers.  If you list ONLY those who have doctorates in RELEVANT fields, like biology, paleantology, genetics, anthropology...  you only have a handful.
    Your list even as it is, is so short that it is irrelevant.  Do you know how many thousands of relevant scientists there are in the world?

Who do you think I'm going to believe?  The paltry few relavant scientists on your list, or the plethora of relavent scientists who say evolution is a fact, and the theory of evolution (the means by how evolution happens) is the best we can do with current evidence.

Numbers of scientists in agreement with an ideology does not make something more correct.  Galileo is a good example.

Any scientist who says evolution is a fact is a retard.  If they say it is the best explanation with the current evidence, I buy that as a valid response.

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1793 on: Mon Jan 08, 2018 - 09:58:13 »
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Evolution’s dual myths of random causation and the king gene have not been good for biology,

Darwin's great discovery was that it isn't random.   So this guy starts out with a foolish misconception.   And it goes downhill from there...

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and they also have done damage elsewhere. In the area of human health, our cultural uptake of evolutionary ideas contributed to the dangerously flawed notion that health is a random affair.

Apparently, he has no idea what modern medicine is like.  No physician says health is just a matter of randommness.

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True, genetic mutations are capable of producing all kinds of diseases, but the vast majority of health issues stem from, or can be alleviated by, lifestyle and workplace decisions. In a great many cases, you are not what your genes say you are, but what you eat and how you live. Diet, stress, exercise, and exposure to toxins play an enormous role in determining your health history.

Makes sense.   That's what Darwin wrote.   

Cuban is right that your likelihood of a catastrophic illness is a matter of probabilities.  But as Darwin said, environment does matter to an organism, and so your choices can affect the odds. 

This goes back to the point that most people who think they hate science, don't know anything about it.

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« Reply #1794 on: Mon Jan 08, 2018 - 10:06:20 »
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Another video about evilution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14Nhj05L90

A classic mess of dishonesties.   

Among the lies:
"Darwin doubted common descent"
"Mutation can't produce new information"
"Carbon 14 is used to date fossils"
"Unfossilized dinosaur bone has been found"
"T-rex red blood cells have been found."
"There are no transitional forms between humans and other primates."

If anyone would like to defend one or more of these or other lies in the video, let's talk about them.



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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1795 on: Mon Jan 08, 2018 - 10:07:55 »
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Any scientist who says evolution is a fact is a retard.

It's directly observed to happen.   Can't get more sure than that.   Just so we know, what do you think the scientific definition of "evolution" is?
 

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« Reply #1796 on: Mon Jan 08, 2018 - 10:21:35 »
The bandwagon argument is a very bad one for creationists to make.    One way to see how bad it is, is to compare the numbers.   Project Steve is a investigation that counts the number of scientists with a doctorate in biology or a related field who accept evolution, and are named "Steve" or some variant of the name.

Presently, there are (Barbarian checks) um, 1422 Steves on the list.   
https://ncse.com/list-of-steves

How many Steves do you have? (Barbarian checks)   You have 4.

About 0.2% of the Steves who accept evolution.   But one of your Steves is an electrical engineer and one is a PhD in education.   So actually about 0.1%

See why the bandwagon argument is such a loser for creationism?


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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1797 on: Mon Jan 08, 2018 - 10:27:07 »
It's directly observed to happen.   Can't get more sure than that.   Just so we know, what do you think the scientific definition of "evolution" is?

No, we do not observe one species turned into another. 

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1798 on: Mon Jan 08, 2018 - 11:25:25 »
No, we do not observe one species turned into another.
Evolution is not one species turning into another.

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1799 on: Mon Jan 08, 2018 - 12:48:06 »
Evolution is not one species turning into another.

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« Reply #1800 on: Mon Jan 08, 2018 - 13:11:49 »
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Hey TC, I love it when someone like you can laugh at himself. 

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1801 on: Mon Jan 08, 2018 - 14:14:07 »
Hey TC, I love it when someone like you can laugh at himself.

I am laughing at your attempts.

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1802 on: Mon Jan 08, 2018 - 15:20:55 »
Evolution is not one species turning into another.

Then please give us your definition of the word "evolution".

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« Reply #1803 on: Mon Jan 08, 2018 - 15:31:44 »
I am laughing at your attempts.

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Oh now, TC, you have disappointed me.  Here I was thinking that you were a modest, live and let live kind of a guy who was not afraid to laugh at himself when he really screwed up.  but alas.

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1804 on: Mon Jan 08, 2018 - 20:39:06 »
  • You don't have the numbers.  If you list ONLY those who have doctorates in RELEVANT fields, like biology, paleantology, genetics, anthropology...  you only have a handful.
    Your list even as it is, is so short that it is irrelevant.  Do you know how many thousands of relevant scientists there are in the world?

Who do you think I'm going to believe?  The paltry few relavant scientists on your list, or the plethora of relavent scientists who say evolution is a fact, and the theory of evolution (the means by how evolution happens) is the best we can do with current evidence.

Relevant according to who? As a professed believer I guess I expect you to do something silly like, believe the word of God. The words of the prophets, apostles, and Jesus. The book you claim your faith from, has stood at odds with the vast majority of this world at all times. As all those who have placed their faith in it have also. Yes, I expect you to have more faith in the word of God, than the majorities of this world. So does your God. It is not the best we can do with current evidence. It is the best this fallen world has produced apart from faith in God and His word, and you have chosen the best fallen humanity can offer in rejection of the testimony of those whom the bible claims spoke under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report. 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.


What do evolutionists demand, but that God must have created through a process of evolving things which may be seen according to their own understanding. This in direct contradiction to the testimony provided for them in the word of God. This also, while there are viable explanations also which are in harmony with God's testimony concerning the same. Go to, follow the numbers as those of Noah's day did also. Reject Jesus' testimony in favor of the observations of fallen humanity, revealing who your faith is truly in.

Mt 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Why will you reject the testimony of Jesus, while you profess to be His follower?

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1805 on: Mon Jan 08, 2018 - 20:47:07 »

Also, that is a list of "believers" but not a list of scientists that have contributed to the scientific community, they are no more relevant than you or I.

I am sorry that you have sacrificed your relevance to the faulty wisdom of this fallen world, when you could stand by faith upon God's word as your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ did when He paid the heavy price of making all of fallen humanity infinitely relevant. Why will you sacrifice that relevance to the faulty wisdom of fallen humanity?

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1806 on: Tue Jan 09, 2018 - 04:05:21 »
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A relevant field is one that actually studies the topic in question.  A physicist is not an expert in evolution.  An astronomer is not an expert in evolution.  The fields that study evolution in depth are the ones I suggested: Biology, Anthropology, Paleontology, Genetics, etc.

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1807 on: Tue Jan 09, 2018 - 07:40:46 »
I am sorry that you have sacrificed your relevance to the faulty wisdom of this fallen world, when you could stand by faith upon God's word as your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ did when He paid the heavy price of making all of fallen humanity infinitely relevant. Why will you sacrifice that relevance to the faulty wisdom of fallen humanity?


So is that your next tactic?. An attempt to let us know we have fallen to deception due to our belief in the universe as science has observed it? A belief that differs from yours? Shameful.

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1808 on: Tue Jan 09, 2018 - 09:15:30 »
I am sorry that you have sacrificed your relevance to the faulty wisdom of this fallen world, when you could stand by faith upon God's word as your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ did when He paid the heavy price of making all of fallen humanity infinitely relevant. Why will you sacrifice that relevance to the faulty wisdom of fallen humanity?

Your insinuation that Alan is not standing  "by faith upon God's word as your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ did when He paid the heavy price of making all of fallen humanity infinitely relevant", is truly disgusting.  But such distasteful, self-righteous expressions against any who disagree with you on this topic is becoming all to commonplace.

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1809 on: Tue Jan 09, 2018 - 13:08:14 »
Genetics. 1935 Jul; 20(4): 377–391.
PMCID: PMC1208619
Drosophila Miranda, a New Species
Th. Dobzhansky

This new species evolved from a population of D. psuedoobscura.

But 4WD is correct, speciation is not evolution.   It is a consequence of evolution.   Do you know what evolution is?

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1810 on: Tue Jan 09, 2018 - 15:41:27 »
Genetics. 1935 Jul; 20(4): 377–391.
PMCID: PMC1208619
Drosophila Miranda, a New Species
Th. Dobzhansky

This new species evolved from a population of D. psuedoobscura.

But 4WD is correct, speciation is not evolution.   It is a consequence of evolution.   Do you know what evolution is?


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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1811 on: Tue Jan 09, 2018 - 19:35:36 »
The cool thing about reality is that it keeps right on, even if you don't believe in it.

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1812 on: Tue Jan 09, 2018 - 21:55:48 »
The cool thing about reality is that it keeps right on, even if you don't believe in it.

Then science can't be reality because it keeps on changing.

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1813 on: Wed Jan 10, 2018 - 04:19:03 »
Then science can't be reality because it keeps on changing.
Why do you insist on showing your nearly complete lack of knowledge about science with statements like that?  You do a lot of posting on something you obviously know absolutely nothing about.

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1814 on: Wed Jan 10, 2018 - 05:23:50 »
Why do you insist on showing your nearly complete lack of knowledge about science with statements like that?  You do a lot of posting on something you obviously know absolutely nothing about.

I too am laughing at your attempts

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1815 on: Wed Jan 10, 2018 - 05:38:56 »
I too am laughing at your attempts

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Attempts at what?

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1816 on: Wed Jan 10, 2018 - 10:40:48 »
Its a creationist cartoon. Its not about credentials, its just a statement. Kind of like when evolutionists say their theory is indisputable fact.

as if the SOURCE of information determines if the information is true! Stupid.

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1817 on: Wed Jan 10, 2018 - 10:42:43 »
ALL we observe is changes at species level.

ie: big dogs, little dogs, black dogs, white dogs.


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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1818 on: Sat Jan 13, 2018 - 09:42:02 »
AMO:


A relevant field is one that actually studies the topic in question.  A physicist is not an expert in evolution.  An astronomer is not an expert in evolution.  The fields that study evolution in depth are the ones I suggested: Biology, Anthropology, Paleontology, Genetics, etc.

Anyone can actually study the topic in question and relevance is in the eye of the beholder. You consider the theories developed by fallen human beings called scientists of more relevance than the Holy scriptures of God written by those the scriptures claim were under the direct inspiration of God. Creationists consider testimony of scripture given under the direct inspiration of God as far more relevant than the puny observations of fallen humanity which have, do, and will continue to be proved wrong time and again and need constant updating. During which process the puny fallen humans of the day claim their theories are beyond question and absolute fact, until of course proved otherwise. The real issue here is about who we choose as more relevant, God's word, or mans word. You have chosen the testimony of man in contradiction to the word of God as your experts on truth. Creationists stick with the word of God as the expert testimony regarding truth. That is all.

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Re: Discussion Regarding Evolution, Fact or Fiction?
« Reply #1819 on: Sat Jan 13, 2018 - 09:50:00 »

So is that your next tactic?. An attempt to let us know we have fallen to deception due to our belief in the universe as science has observed it? A belief that differs from yours? Shameful.

Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

2 Tim 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Not a tactic bro, we just have fundamentally different views and ideas about scripture.

 

     
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